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Graph of assessment breakdown over time[edit]

Is there a graph like this one but for all of wikipedia? Just wondering what the trend is like over time. Silas Ropac (talk) 04:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A graph showing the development of the quality and importance assessment over time would be a nice addition to the progress bar which only shows the current status. Unlike wiki articles the assessment table does not offer a 'view history' option and this could address that shortcoming.--Wolbo (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Rating system coherence[edit]

The rating system seems very odd to me. It's like 3 rating systems smooshed together: Stub->Start, C->B->A and GA->FA. And to combine they aren't even appended, instead A pops out of sequence to nestle between GA and FA. That destroys both the C->B->A progression and the GA->FA one. And then GA and FA require reviews but A doesn't. Isn't that like saying you need to have a drug test to win a bronze or gold, but anyone can win the silver we don't care? I just don't get that at all. Do people think it makes sense like it is, or did it just accrete this way and so people accept it? Silas Ropac (talk) 05:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A-Class does require a review, see #Rating an article "A" above. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can tell A-class definitely does not require a review, not at the WP level, only GA and FA require a review. A-class assessment procedure is decided per project. Clearly the Military History Project requires a review, but how about the other hundreds of projects? If they really all do, then we should say "GA and above require a review" or "GA, A, and FA require a review" and that oddness would be resolved. But review or not, imagine if you were in school and they said your grades will be Nothing Something C B Good A and Great in that order, wouldn't you ask what they were smoking? Silas Ropac (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Let me quote what WP:ACLASS actually states: "Assessing an article as A-Class requires more than one reviewer." We then have two situations. One states "To be granted, the proposal should supported by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. The review should also be noted on the project's discussion page." The other states "A more formal review may be useful for some WikiProjects". Both require some form of review, and it should be by more than one person, although the procedure differs. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
That's good if a review is required for A-class, thanks for pointing that out. However that review is a pale shadow of the GA and FA reviews, there is no submission process or queue or anything, it just says you need 2 editors to support the assessment. So the asymmetry remains. Also this "review is required" fact is hidden behind this quote which appears widely, it says "In general, anyone can add or change an article's rating. However, the "GA" and "FA" labels should only be used on articles that have been reviewed and are currently designated as good articles or featured articles, respectively." That strongly implies anyone can set an "A" rating. So maybe that is more a doc issue.
Also many projects don't even use "A" which is an even bigger lack of consistency than having different review styles. And regardless of the review issue, the overall quirkyness of the scale remains, for example why 3 difference styles of naming (Stub->Start, C->B->A, and GA->FA)? To an outsider it seems like bond ratings, a jumble. Once you get used to it I guess it's fine, anything is learnable. To close with something the positive, the Importance Scheme makes perfect sense: clean, logical, consistent, I approve. Let's just not add a new importantance between Top and High called "Really Important" that would mess it up. Silas Ropac (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Sort of an aside, but stemming from the proposal over that VPP to restrict usage of the A classification, I was thinking that it might be time to redefine the relationship between GA/FA and A class. I had two ideas: GA and FA should be subdivisions of A, or A should be repurposed as a "super-FA". I mean, I get that the current rarity of A-class articles is something like why the triple is so rare in baseball; it's almost like you have to aim for A-class and deliberately avoid getting the article to FA/FL. My other thought is that perhaps GA/FA should lie outside the article ranking system entirely; that projects should care about ABCStartStub, and GAFAFL should just be badges for the article and those who participated in getting it to that state (sort of like DYK and TFA). —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 17:46, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
FA is the top of the scale in all practical terms, so trying to put A-Class ahead of it won't work. At times, I've wondered if we shouldn't switch to a letter grade-based system, where A was the top, and so therefore Featured Articles are A-Class, whatever level would be considered between GAs and FAs (there there is clearly a gap there to be filled) would be a B-Class, Good Articles would be C-Class, with steps on down to F- or G-Class for what is Stub-Class article now. (We'd have to go to G to maintain the current 7 steps on the scale.) Imzadi 1979  18:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about similar process for other pages[edit]

Comment from editors involved with this process would be appreciated at this V Pump discussion Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Quality review for policy pages, guidelines, and high-impact essays NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment screening[edit]

Anyone who assesses articles very often knows how often the assessments get out of date, and how tedious it is to re-check them manually.

Nettrom and Aaron Halfaker have analyzed all 9,000+ plus of the WP:MED stubs and found about 750 that they figured had at least a 50% chance of not being a stub. The list has been posted at m:Research:Ideas/Screening WikiProject Medicine articles for quality/Prediction table. The next step is to manually re-screen the pages on the list, to see how accurate their algorithm is. If anyone's interested, please feel free to have a look. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Draft-class[edit]

I have started a discussion on possibly making Draft-class one of the default assessment classes used by WikiProjects. Any comments welcome at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Widen usage of Draft-class. Thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I am still keeping up with assessments for WP:ALASKA and others when time allows. The Draft-class was added to the class mask and a category was created for WP Alaska. I tagged a number of articles in draftspace for the project. It appears that lack of support on this end for that class is fouling up the counts presented on various tools. The draft articles appear as redlinks in the assessment log. I wondered if this were also the case with other classes as well. For quite some time, Category:WikiProject Alaska articles contained X, as did the sum total of Category:Alaska articles by importance. However, the sum total of Category:Alaska articles by quality was X + 2. Now, with those 26 draft articles, it's counting X – 24. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:14, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Who can rate[edit]

I recently had someone change the grading from B to C on an article I wrote, with an edit summary saying that it had not been checked against the B criteria. My understanding was that anyone can assign any grade from stub to B without any kind of written assessment, so long as the article meets the criteria. I did in fact check the article against the criteria; I just didn't say so on the talk page. Has the practice changed? The article in question is Out of This World Adventures; the editor who changed the grade to C was Fortdj33; I'll leave a note on their talk page about this discussion. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)