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Graph of assessment breakdown over time[edit]

Is there a graph like this one but for all of wikipedia? Just wondering what the trend is like over time. Silas Ropac (talk) 04:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A graph showing the development of the quality and importance assessment over time would be a nice addition to the progress bar which only shows the current status. Unlike wiki articles the assessment table does not offer a 'view history' option and this could address that shortcoming.--Wolbo (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Rating system coherence[edit]

The rating system seems very odd to me. It's like 3 rating systems smooshed together: Stub->Start, C->B->A and GA->FA. And to combine they aren't even appended, instead A pops out of sequence to nestle between GA and FA. That destroys both the C->B->A progression and the GA->FA one. And then GA and FA require reviews but A doesn't. Isn't that like saying you need to have a drug test to win a bronze or gold, but anyone can win the silver we don't care? I just don't get that at all. Do people think it makes sense like it is, or did it just accrete this way and so people accept it? Silas Ropac (talk) 05:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A-Class does require a review, see #Rating an article "A" above. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can tell A-class definitely does not require a review, not at the WP level, only GA and FA require a review. A-class assessment procedure is decided per project. Clearly the Military History Project requires a review, but how about the other hundreds of projects? If they really all do, then we should say "GA and above require a review" or "GA, A, and FA require a review" and that oddness would be resolved. But review or not, imagine if you were in school and they said your grades will be Nothing Something C B Good A and Great in that order, wouldn't you ask what they were smoking? Silas Ropac (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Let me quote what WP:ACLASS actually states: "Assessing an article as A-Class requires more than one reviewer." We then have two situations. One states "To be granted, the proposal should supported by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. The review should also be noted on the project's discussion page." The other states "A more formal review may be useful for some WikiProjects". Both require some form of review, and it should be by more than one person, although the procedure differs. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
That's good if a review is required for A-class, thanks for pointing that out. However that review is a pale shadow of the GA and FA reviews, there is no submission process or queue or anything, it just says you need 2 editors to support the assessment. So the asymmetry remains. Also this "review is required" fact is hidden behind this quote which appears widely, it says "In general, anyone can add or change an article's rating. However, the "GA" and "FA" labels should only be used on articles that have been reviewed and are currently designated as good articles or featured articles, respectively." That strongly implies anyone can set an "A" rating. So maybe that is more a doc issue.
Also many projects don't even use "A" which is an even bigger lack of consistency than having different review styles. And regardless of the review issue, the overall quirkyness of the scale remains, for example why 3 difference styles of naming (Stub->Start, C->B->A, and GA->FA)? To an outsider it seems like bond ratings, a jumble. Once you get used to it I guess it's fine, anything is learnable. To close with something the positive, the Importance Scheme makes perfect sense: clean, logical, consistent, I approve. Let's just not add a new importantance between Top and High called "Really Important" that would mess it up. Silas Ropac (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Sort of an aside, but stemming from the proposal over that VPP to restrict usage of the A classification, I was thinking that it might be time to redefine the relationship between GA/FA and A class. I had two ideas: GA and FA should be subdivisions of A, or A should be repurposed as a "super-FA". I mean, I get that the current rarity of A-class articles is something like why the triple is so rare in baseball; it's almost like you have to aim for A-class and deliberately avoid getting the article to FA/FL. My other thought is that perhaps GA/FA should lie outside the article ranking system entirely; that projects should care about ABCStartStub, and GAFAFL should just be badges for the article and those who participated in getting it to that state (sort of like DYK and TFA). —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 17:46, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
FA is the top of the scale in all practical terms, so trying to put A-Class ahead of it won't work. At times, I've wondered if we shouldn't switch to a letter grade-based system, where A was the top, and so therefore Featured Articles are A-Class, whatever level would be considered between GAs and FAs (there there is clearly a gap there to be filled) would be a B-Class, Good Articles would be C-Class, with steps on down to F- or G-Class for what is Stub-Class article now. (We'd have to go to G to maintain the current 7 steps on the scale.) Imzadi 1979  18:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Start-class error[edit]

The start-class extended description says "the article should satisfy fundamental content policies, such as notability..."

WP:Notability is neither a content page nor a policy; it's an inclusion guideline. All pages are supposed to comply with this guideline, even stubs. If you encounter one that doesn't, you're supposed to go directly to WP:DEL, and no rating is necessary. I think that it would be better to simply remove this erroneous reference to notability as a content policy. What do you think? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

  • The subject of an article can have 'easily verifiable' notability (via Google, for example) without the article actually 'evidencing' notability....i.e. being too 'stubby' to have adequate references for it's 'claims of notability. In that case it shouldn't be deleted, it should be a stub (as it fails this particular start-class criteria). Many of the 'missing encyclopedia articles' biographies are like this, because they just have 'attributions' instead of 'references'. One of these articles can be several thousand words long and still be a stub.
Part of the reason this isn't 'silly' is that the Dictionary of National Biography, for instance, has over 24,000 entries for 'presumably' notable people. :) Revent (talk) 08:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
  • To be particularly clear, these old encyclopedias aren't really 'reliable sources' in the normal sense...they are full of errors and have to be checked against each other, and the 'wikisource' versions introduce even more potential errors. In particular, there is at least one 'personal' in the 'old' DNB that is described in the 'newer' ODNB as 'fictional'. Most are 'highly' notable, it's just that the work hasn't been done yet. (shrugs) Anyhow, point is the 'caveat' is useful. Revent (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Draft-Class[edit]

I'm looking at implementing a Draft-Class for some WikiProjects' banners to allow them to track draft articles in the new Draft: namespace. Any thoughts on creating an icon and setting a color assignment for this? Imzadi 1979  21:12, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

There is currently a bit of a discussion over at Template talk:WPBannerMeta about the icon and colour. probably best to continue it over there so that it's in one place. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

C-Class lag?[edit]

Does anyone know if there's a lag between tagging an article C-Class and it showing up in the Article List Tool. I've tagged a few articles today and while they disappear from the Start class list right away they're not simultaneously showing up as C-Class. Dontreadalone (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to restrict A-class use to big projects[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 110#Restrict A class usage. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)