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Carnivorous starfish destroying Great Barrier Reef -- sugar cane farming culprit?[edit]

A story in the BBC is blaming Sugarcane farming for the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef. Is this of interest to this wikiproject? XOttawahitech (talk)

FAO stats, the difficulty of maintaining accurate data in wikipedia[edit]

Members of this project may wish to comment in the discussion at Talk:Berry#The table from the faostat page. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

"Right to farm" in Missouri[edit]

Missouri is considering a constitutional amendment that would guarantee the "right to farm".

There are implications for the environment and the use of genetically modified crops.
Wavelength (talk) 03:07, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there are a bunch of these proposed statutes in several states. Interesting issue. Big Ag versus family farms in some ways, though seldom framed that way. Montanabw(talk) 19:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Of interest[edit]

Possibly of interest to project members: Talk:Polled_livestock#Requested_move. Montanabw(talk) 03:59, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

npp for category tool[edit]

Please comment. Gryllida (talk) 23:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Australian Yorkshire[edit]

May someone have a second look on that article? I can't find a single Dataset regarding that breed of swine. There is no mention within the FAO nor the Australian Pig Breeders Association Limited. Apart from, that there is the Lage White, that is the Yorshire.

In my books, the source compares Australian pigs of the breeds Yorkshire/Large White and Duroc with breeds, that are familiar in Viet Nam. It does not mention a breed, called "Australian Yorkshire". --PigeonIP (talk) 17:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I think the source is clear that Australian Yorkshire = Australian Large White. I don't know why they called it that, though. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
"Yorkshire" and "Large White" are synonyms. One is as good as the other. The Australian data sheet for the Large White, says "imported". If it were a local breed, it shall read adopted or indigenous or something like that. I am still not convinced, that the subject of Australian Yorkshire is not the normal Large White pig. --PigeonIP (talk) 23:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Multiple move requests[edit]

Project members should be aware of the following requested moves of assorted farm animal breeds to new titles, often with several articles listed on one page. It appears that one editor is making all these requests. I am not certain if there is some overlap here or not, but if there is no overlap, then we are looking at over 60 move requests, which will have a significant impact o the various affected projects. Montanabw(talk) 05:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

  1. Talk:Flemish_Giant#Requested_moves (appears to be 6-8 rabbit, cattle and sheep breeds)
  2. Talk:Anglo-Nubian#Requested_moves (at least 16 rabbit, goat and cattle breeds)
  3. Talk:Corsican_Cattle (21 articles, cattle, sheep, goats and rabbits)
  4. Talk:Canadian_Speckle_Park (2 breeds)
  5. Talk:Dutch_Landrace 8 goat and pig articles
  6. Talk:American_Sable 3 rabbit and goat articles
  7. Talk:Russian Black Pied 4 cattle breeds
  8. Talk:Black Hereford (hybrid) 2 cattle breeds
  9. Talk:Blue_Grey 4 articles, mostly cattle
  10. Talk:Harz_Red_mountain_cattle (just one here)
  11. Talk:Asturian_Mountain 6 breed articles, cattle, sheep and pigs
Add:
12. Talk:Romeldale/CVM (just that breed)
There's also move request, not about breed naming, from the same editor at Talk:Polled livestock. The editor is the same who has moved hundreds (literally) of domestic animal breed articles, without discussion (that I'm aware of) or reference to this or any other WikiProject, many of them after he had been specifically told that such moves were contentious and that the normal move request process should be used. There's a request for a mass revert of all those to their previous titles at Talk:Teeswater sheep#Requested move 25 August 2014. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Add to that one the RfC to split Kiger Mustang into two articles. Montanabw(talk) 18:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Detailed revert requests and gathered comments are at:
  1. Talk:Teeswater sheep#Requested move 25 August 2014
  2. Talk:Strasser pigeon#Requested move (related to pigeons with the addition of the Coburg Lark)
  3. rabbit breeds (on Talk:Flemish Giant)
  4. disambiguation of "Landrace" breeds (on Talk:Dutch Landrace, related to Talk:Teeswater sheep)
for further information: a list of all affected breeds is on my worksheet /RMs. --PigeonIP (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
JLAN and PIP, are ALL of the RMs you two initiated here in response to the need to fix unilateral moves by the same editor? Montanabw(talk) 18:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I haven't actually initiated any move request. I listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests, for reversion as undiscussed moves, the first hundred of (I think) about 250 domestic animal breed articles moved without discussion by that editor after he had been clearly and specifically told by Jenks24 to use the ordinary move request process for such moves. There were (justified!) doubts as to whether the reverts would be without opposition, so it got turned into a rather messy mass move request. If I have understood correctly, if that request ends as no consensus, the articles will be restored to their previous titles. I should of course have notified this and other projects at that time, but ... well, I'd already been accused several times of canvassing.
I think that PigeonIP has made three move requests recently, at Strasser pigeon, White Park cattle and Danish Protest pig. All three pages were moved to their present titles by the same editor, from Strasser (pigeon), White Park, and Danish Protest Pig respectively.
Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Correct. Strasser (pigeon) is a more technical request for pigeon titles that were moved by SMC without discussion. (one exception: Coburg Lark). White Park cattle is listed to request a disambiguation. Danish Protest Pig to discuss the title (there are up to 8 possible names. "Protest Pig" may be the one with the most telling name, but I fear that that is a literal translation and we are setting standards with that. Stockman/breeders may have choosen "Danish/Husum Protest Swine" or "Husum Red Pied" or "German Red Pied". I cant find a good source, that is not a translation or relays on wikipedia...
I did a comment on German black pied (cattle), that may be indeed the German Black and White or German Black-and-White. The German Black Pied is another breed. Black Pied Dairy cattle is a third one. We will have to have a closer look on that. But I won't start that one, yet. I will list all new discussions here and will point out, if something is more than just a technical request --> #split for discussion. (also for myself, to keep up with that.) --PigeonIP (talk) 21:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC) moved Black Pied Dairy cattle to German Black Pied Dairy, found two references for that. German black pied (cattle) IS the German Black Pied. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

split for discussion[edit]

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Might be of interest...[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC - Animal breeds in lower case Ealdgyth - Talk 21:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

OMG< here we go again! Montanabw(talk) 00:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
After that decision with the consequence that it is impossible to identify, if a 3-sentence-stub-article (with outdated 1970s literature) is about a landrace, a breed, an ancient breed or a breedgroup and therefore to link it correctly to commons categories or wikidataitems, I do not see any reason to take part in that discussion. The outcome will be, that it is even impossible to distinguish breeds from species. The incident with the Pheasant pigeon was only a foretaste of what is to come. --PigeonIP (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Arapawa Pig[edit]

I'd be grateful if others would take a look at Arapawa Pig, where an editor seems determined to add unreferenced material that looks to me very much like WP:OR. There's only one source in the article, and it states clearly that it's regarded as a breed, so I'm not clear why anyone would edit the page to say that it isn't one. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

refering to rarebreeds.co.nz, that may be my fault: Talk:Teeswater sheep#Requested move 25 August 2014#comment on pigs mentioned in the RM.
Arapawa Pigs do have a Standard[1] but are described as feral pigs (or descendants of feral pigs). Are there two types: the Arapawa feral pigs[2] and the "re-domesticated" Arapawa Pigs? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
add: in any case it is not a "landrace". Landrace are cultured/groomed by people. They are herded and fed and managed and protected from predators (like foxes, bears, wolfs). Feral animals are not. Feral animals are totally left to life on their own, like wild animals. Without herdsmen, dogs and additional fodder or a stable (at least during winter). --PigeonIP (talk) 09:40, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

RfD for misleading redirects[edit]

May someone delete the misleading redirects

or can fill in a request the "right way"? [3] [4]

That may also be requested for the not used

There are many black pied dairy cattle-breeds out there.

I am unsure about

--PigeonIP (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Check the CSD criteria (criteria for speedy deletion) or the request for deletion of redirects. I think you can just tag them and if the tag is objected to, then nominate them for deletion. I'd live the ones you are not sure about, per WP's weird capitalization syntax in its software. Montanabw(talk) 18:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know, how to nominate them for deletion... --PigeonIP (talk) 22:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Pig milk[edit]

I'm looking for a photo of pig milk. Could someone please go into the stye, extract a little, and take a photo of it? From what I hear, you want to do this when she is sleeping. And you want to be ready to run. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't be a photo of Porcorino more interesting? --PigeonIP (talk) 08:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Both! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Polycerate[edit]

Dear agricultural experts: Here's a new article that could use some improvement. It was pretty rough, and I've done what I could without knowing anything about the subject. Likely the word "animals" for example, can be replace with a more precise term. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

RM notice (for livestock taskforce)[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Razorback#Requested move November 2014, which aims to clear up the perpetual Wikipedia confusion between the wild pig or wild boar (article: Wild boar), and feral domesticated pigs (proposed article name Feral pig, presently at Razorback).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  12:41, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

This edit, in which SMcCandlish requests a number of moves of animal breed articles as "Uncontroversial technical requests", may also be of interest. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Re: your edit summary, "and other moves that he forgot to notify ..." – I did not "forget" anything. Please stop ascribing mental states to me about which you cannot know, unless you recently became an omniscient deity when I wasn't looking. Posting RM notices to wikiprojects is not routine at all, and it would be quite disruptive to notify every wikiproject of possible relevance about every single RM discussion that might be in-scope, especially noncontroversial ones. WP:RM exists as a centralized listing of requested moves specifically so that we don't need to do that. I've drawn attention to the Wild pig move because the issues involved are beyond that of a simple rename discussion, but involve continual editorial and reader confusion, redirects to incorrect articles, articles being incorrectly categorized, and other serious matters affecting the handling of feral and wild pig content, an issue of interest to both WP:AGRICULTURE and WP:MAMMALS (also notified). Was there anything else you wanted to doggedly pursue me across Wikipedia and start pointless fights about? It's quite a list today already.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  14:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh great, here we go again. Montanabw(talk) 06:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Corporate farming[edit]

Hi all. I just did some pretty massive edits on the Corporate farming page and wanted to get some opinions on it. I tried to summarize my edits on the talk page (I forgot to do edit summaries). If you do check it out, I preemptively apologize for my mess on the history page. I'm still figuring out the whole editing thing and jumped the gun a few times on the save button...

Thanks! Creigpat (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't heard of this article yet, and I'll admit I was expecting to see much, much worse. It actually looks like a good framework for the article at a cursory glance. I can see a few areas that need a bit more as far as sources, and a big question will always be assigning due weight to terms. I'd have to look at the article and it's source a bit more in-depth to comment on much more, but overall I'd say it looks good. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Zigzig20s/Petit Gulf cotton[edit]

Hello. Is anyone here interested in helping me create a page about Petit Gulf cotton? I have started a userpage. I think this could easily become a start, but I am not an expert at all. It seems very historically significant. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)