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Direct Fly sro[edit]

I just completed an article on this Czech aircraft manufacturer and an editor immediately WP:CSD it. Can another editor review the CSD nom? - Ahunt (talk) 21:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Just remove the tag to contest the speedy, then the nominator is forced to take it to afd. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 21:47, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
It is a CSD, so as the article creator anyone except me can remove the tag. - Ahunt (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Another editor just removed the tag. - Ahunt (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Variable pitch fan[edit]

Variable pitch fan has been created by User:Altadena1, a user with a long history of adding material to aeroengine-related articles with little or no sourcing. This article he/she created is no different. Any suggestions on where to go from here? - BilCat (talk) 18:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Move it to Draft:Variable pitch fan until it can be suitably wikified? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
That's a good idea, but it might have to go through AFD first. - BilCat (talk) 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I would say that since it has a few refs now that you should tag the the non-supported text and then if no refs appear after a suitable length of time stub the article down to the cited text. - Ahunt (talk) 01:16, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Aircraft specs[edit]

I have developed a modification to the template to add parameters commonly used for gliders and sailplanes. I have only added to the template and not altered anything that was already there. Are there any objections to these modifications?--Petebutt (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I have reviewed the changes and yes I think it adds too much complexity to the template for just a few aircraft affected. Items like the amount of water ballast carried should be mentioned in the text of the article instead, which is where I have put it in the glider articles I have started. That also allows for adding specific information such as the number of tanks, filling method (single port or multiple port) and the dumping method. - Ahunt (talk) 14:55, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I think that the changes give little benefit to the system as a whole. My other concern is that any addition - potentially affecting many articles - ought to be tested before implementation. To look to (what I would call for lack of a better words) the cause for the addition, and thinking in general terms and not the specific parameters in this case, is the existing system ('|more performance='?) for adding "other" information to the specifications 'layout' up to the job? If it is then specific content additions could be made through that as required, and if not, then it should be fixed such that in future they can be without altering the template. GraemeLeggett (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I am sure we had a discussion on this before that really only commonly found specification items should be listed not everything possible, if these additions dont appear in the normal description sources like Janes then they should be mentioned in the text if important or notable. MilborneOne (talk) 16:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, additional data could be listed in the 'more general' and 'more performance' fields, if needed. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The reason for the changes is because relevant parameters are universally quoted in Jane's.--Petebutt (talk) 02:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The one Jane's glider reference book I have does include water ballast weight and rough air/max speed in the specs table but not any of the other speeds. The most complex glider types have 15 parameters in the specs table which I will list: Wing span, length, height, wing area, wing section, aspect ratio, empty weight, max weight, water ballast, max wing loading, max speed, stalling speed, minimum sinking speed (sink rate), max rough air speed and best glide ratio/speed.
I have noticed an increasing trend to add figures for a second variant in the specs tables (not just gliders). The specs section header usually has the variant described in parentheses e.g. 'Acme Thrunger (Mk 1)' but in the specs we have extra values for the 'Acme Thrunger (Mk V)'. Seems to be a way of side stepping the one set of specs per article guideline. The result is a very cluttered specs section IMO. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 10:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft[edit]

I have recently starte a tidy up on some of the series of List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft which has involved:

  • Removing the block and manufacturers codes from American military aircraft for example changing McDonnell-Douglas F-15A-14-MC Eagle to the more common McDonnell Douglas F-15A Eagle, and yes somebody has redirects for these technical block codes.
  • Removing made up designations like Hawker-Siddeley/McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II not sure where that came from.
  • Removing the constructors numbers for aircraft that are already identifed by serial number, per common practice in other articles.
  • Removing information that the aircraft had previosuly been converted from another alphabet soup of designations, sorry trivia not relevant to the accident.
  • Expanding abbreviations that the general reader would not know like "KWF".
User:Mark Sublette has called my changes dumbing down and reverted them all I am trying to do is remove the trivia and non-notable information and make the articles more readable and relevant to the reader rather then the fanboys. Comments welcome. MilborneOne (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Your clean-ups seem to all be in accordance with our WikiProject standards here to me. - Ahunt (talk) 14:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I concur , but defend the need for writing the more complete entries first, before simplification.--Petebutt (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Greek fighter jet crashes in Spain killing 10 people[edit]

F-16 crash appears to be more notable than the usual military accident as it appears to have crashed on flightline with aircraft from different countries, refer I suspect ryan will be along in a moment. MilborneOne (talk) 19:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Invitation: Editathon at Thinktank, Birmingham, on 7 March 2015[edit]

You are invited to an editathon at Thinktank, Birmingham, England, on 7 March 2015.

The focus will be on the museum's science and industry collection. We will have an exclusive preview of (and be able to photograph) exhibits recently acquired for the forthcoming new Spitfire (aircraft) Gallery, plus talks, and the opportunity to work with curators. Assistance will be available for new editors.

A light lunch and refreshments will be provided. Booking required. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 30 January 2015 (UTC)