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Terry Pratchett's Nation[edit]

I added the Alternate History template to the article on Nation (novel). It can be implied from some of the goings on in the book, but Pratchett outright says as much in his notes in the back.

Though not a member of this project, I did set class to start. Just seemed as if there was more than enough to take it out of stub. IMHO (talk) 22:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I have seen sources that confirm its an alternate history, when I find them again I will see if they are of any use. Thanks. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Should we be archiving this page?[edit]

I was wondering if we should start archiving this page. If no one has any problem with that, I'll set up an automatic archive. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 16:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, let's see if this works... -- Imperator3733 (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yay! It worked! :) -- Imperator3733 (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Archive issues temporarily fixed (sort of)[edit]

I've commented out the ClueBot III template code which handles the archiving. In its place, I put a link to the current archive. This seems to have fixed the problems with the extra wikilinks, but it does mean that no more automatic archiving can happen. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 17:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Emberverse[edit]

After reading several reviews on Dies the Fire I think its safe to say that the Emberverse series of book does count as alternate history for several reasons: 1) various reviewers call it an alternate history, 2) the POD happens in the past, the proximity to the present or implausibility of the event does not make it any less an alternate history, 3) Stirling himself considers it alternate history. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 19:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

1632 series[edit]

Most of the articles for the books in the 1632 series need a lot of work. Many of them read like advertisements to the series. 1634: The Baltic War had three plot summaries from other novels. You can find all of them in this category:Category:1632 series books. I propose a collaborative effort because they all need some serious work. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 14:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Timeline 191 article cleanup[edit]

edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternate History:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

    Proposed mergers:

    Cleanup:

    Rename:

    Split:

    There are a lot of articles created for this series, see here: Category:Timeline-191. Most of these need major cleanups and may need to be deleted or merged. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

    Here's one that would be safe to delete: Participants in World War II (Timeline-191) with a redirect to the Timeline 191 World War II article. (With that article also changed to avoid circular references). Jon (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
    Freedom Party guards (Harry Turtledove) should also be merged into the Freedom Party article. Jon (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

    Good point on the participants article, I redirected it after making a few changes to the WWII article. Also Operation Blackbeard could be added to the article also.Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

    List of Battles there:
    • Barell Roll -> propose merging into the Timeline 191 WW 2 article
    • Battle of the Three Navies -> propose merging into the Timeline 191 WW 1 article
    • Camp Hill -> Propose merging into the Main Timeline 191 article.
    • Operation Blackbeard -> propose merging into the Timeline 191 WW 2 articles.

    Jon (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

    Would it make sense to merge the all of pages for each seperate series (Great War, American Empire, Settling Accounts) into the main Timeline 191 article.Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
    The TL 191 main article is already long enough as is. As an alternative, I would sugest merging TL 191 WW 1 into Great War and TL 191 WW 2 into Settling Accounts. We should also where TL 191 article is more detailed than How Few Remain, Great War, American Empire, and Settling Accounts move details to the sub pages and then rewrite TL 191 as more of a summary with links to them. Jon (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    Fictional Book: Over Open Sights definately fast fails notability standard (no publisher & no ISBN# in the real world). Sugest merging into Jake Featherston's article (the fictional author). Jon (talk) 18:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    I wonder if the Jake Featherston article should be merged into the characters article?Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    Last time I checked the Characters article was already too big; that's probably why Jake Featherstone got his own article in the first place. Jon (talk) 17:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
    Jon if you get the chance please take a look at the new new Jake Featherston article I am working on in my sandbox.19:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
    I have added some sources and some info on Over Open Sights to the new Featherston article I have been working on in my sandbox. As soon as I do some proof reading on the bio (which is almost completely the same as the old article) I'm going to put it up and then redirect Over Open Sights to that article.Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
    Looks good to me; I've changed it slightly to refer to him as a major viewpoint char to be more NPOV. (Major because there is less than a handful of chars that are viewpoint chars for that entire timeframe.) Jon (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

    I'm noticing that some articles use "Southern Victory" instead of "Timeline 191" to name the series. I'm assuming this problem has arised because Turtledove has not yet named the series. Still if no one has a problem with it I propose we change all articles to reflect the Timeline 191 name since its the name of the main article and the category.Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

    Agreed. Jon (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

    Another proposal, I thinking of spliting Institutions in the Southern Victory (Timeline-191) series into three different articles: United States of America (Timeline 191), Confederate States of America (Timeline 191), and Other nations in Timeline 191. The first two would be based off the usual template used for nations in Wikipedia with the ficitonal references thrown in. The last one would be simply a list of excess information. Thoughts?Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

    I have started working on how the United States article will look if anyone is interested. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 02:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
    After doing some work on this part of the project I have started to lose interest. It might make more sense just to shorten and reorganize the Institution article. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

    Tarrantry[edit]

    If anyone has information for this article it would be really helpful. As it currently stands I don't think it has enough notability to survive an AfD. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

    Uchronia: The Alternate History List[edit]

    Please check out this new article I created. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 03:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

    WWII alternate histories[edit]

    I'm working on a new article World War II alternate histories. I hope to do some serious work on it in January, but if anyone wants to help just go to my Sandbox. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 03:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

    AFD Notice: Assiti Shards effect[edit]

    It looks like Assiti Shards effect may be deleted. Personally I don't think its notable myself but if anyone else thinks the article has merit you may want to intervene. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

    Jonbar Hinge[edit]

    Can I get some help watching this page, some IPs have been putting a lot of unsourced stuff and now it has just gotten weird. Here is what was recently added: "Postmodern counterfactualists contend that Jonbar Hinges have always been with us but were rendered invisible by the discourses of positivism and Whiggish history. It is also possible that Williamson uncovered the Jonbar Hinge while himself time traveling through consciousness expansion, during which it was revealed to him by Krishna, making the discovery of the Jonbar Hinge itself a Jonbar Hinge."

    Please just revert stuff like this if you see it. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    AH Civil War category?[edit]

    We currently have Category:World War II alternate histories , however there seem to be almost as many US Civil War Alternate Histories (or at least where the Point of Departure is during the US Civil are), what do people think of Category:US Civil War alternate histories ?Naraht (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

    Sounds like such a good idea I'm surprized there isn't already such a category. Jon (talk) 18:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
    I'm going to create under the name Category:American Civil War alternate histories since the name of the Wikipedia page is American Civil War. Also, it may be worthwhile to consider American War for Independence as a category, though I'm not sure how many that would have.Naraht (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
    We should probably make an article for AH Civil Wars also since its one of the two most often subject of English alternate histories. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

    Turtledove's Atlantis series[edit]

    Is anyone interested on a collaborative attempt to create three articles: The Atlantis Series, Opening Atlantis, and United States of Atlantis. I found some sources here: [1], [2], [3]. I would do it myself but I haven't read any of the novels. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 22:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

    • I haven't read any of the novels either and I won't have time to do so for a while, so I won't be able to help for now. I did notice that all three of those reviews seemed to be the same, and two of them had the same author, but the third had a different author. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
    Here is a possible other source [4] Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 23:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

    AFD Notice: Tarrantry[edit]

    Tarrantry has been nominated to be deleted. If anyone has info that can save this article, you may want to act quickly. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 16:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

    Of course they'd do that. I just wish I could've gotten the text before the deletionists deleted it. Oh well, I have other things to work on. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 03:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
    It will probably appear on Deletionpedia relatively soon. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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    Assiti Shards / 1632 / Ring of Fire[edit]

    Can someone make a taskforce, workgroup or noticeboard for this? The talk page for a pseudo-project involving these works is actually spread across the talk pages of several articles and categories. It would be better to consolidate the "project related" talk in one location, and also since such talk violates the protocols of use concerning article and category talk pages, it should be elsewhere (ie. they are not talking about improving the article/category in question, but about series templates, new book articles, etc)

    Suggestion is: WikiProject Alternate History/Assiti Shards noticeboard or WikiProject Alternate History/Assiti Shards task force or WikiProject Alternate History/Assiti Shards work group

    That way the talk can be moved to that talk page, and the various article/template/category talk pages can be archived, cleaned up to make them about their related article/template/category pages, and those unrelated threads moved to the new centralized discussion. (and a switch would need to be added to the AH WikiProject template indicating the new taskforce/workgroup)

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    76.66.193.90 (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

    I would be willing to create the task force if there is enough interest. God knows those articles need a lot of work. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
    If there's not enough interest for a TF or WG, a notice board could be set up, which could be upgraded to a TF or WG at a later time. 76.66.201.179 (talk) 06:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

    A noticebox could be added like:

    or somesuch. 76.66.201.179 (talk) 06:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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    Size of rewritting and contents[edit]

    Is currently rewritting the plot summary on Weapons of Choice as i see it being partly incorrect and also in a bit of need of rewritting, however in unsure how detailed i should be with the summary, have about dubbled the "The Transition" part, any suggestion ? --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 21:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

    While there is no official plot summary length, I recommend keeping under 700 words, though if you must don't let it go over 1000. I would also suggest adding some reviews for a reception and theme section to improve the article as a whole. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    On a side note I think we should look into deleting some of those characters section in the three novels since there is already a character article for the series. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    New plot summary up and running. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 00:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
    I made some spelling and grammar changes but I didn't look at the summary in depth because I haven't read the novel yet. Has anyone read the novel and would like to take a closer look at the plot summary? Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

    WP:NOT#PLOT[edit]

    Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T 13:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

    Nantucket series characters[edit]

    Just wanna make project members aware of a minor sugestion i made about the Nantucket series character list. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 13:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

    My bad, perhaps should have said its on the talk page. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 00:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

    AFD Notice[edit]

    A debate is going on about whether or not to delete the Assiti Shards effect article: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assiti Shards effect. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

    Another AFD[edit]

    A large number of Timeline 191 articles have been nominated for deletion as a group at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hispano-Japanese War. Edward321 (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

    1632[edit]

    a large number of 1632 templates and some articles are up for deletion. Considering several cleanup attempts for 1632 on this talk page, this was likely to come up. 76.66.192.64 (talk) 06:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

    Could you list the AfD discussions here? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
    Assiti Shards effect was recently deleted. Grantville Gazette VIII is currently open for discussion and here is the Template related deletion discussions: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 July 22. Note: this entire series of articles needs some major work done. Anyone interested in heading up a 1632 Task Force? Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

    Revitalizing the Project[edit]

    Recently several alternate history articles have been deleted and there are proposals to delete more. Whether you agree or not with the deletions, this is a sign that the alternate history related articles on Wikipedia need some serious work.

    As members of WikiProject Alternate History, we can work together to improve these articles so such a mass deletion will not happen again. I know this project has been dormant for sometime, but I feel that it can be revitalized if we pull together.

    If you are still interested in being a member of this Project, here are some ideas I have that we can work on:

    1. Improve the Alternate history article to Good and then Featured class. This should be the flagship article of our project. I have been working on a new version in my sandbox if anyone is interested to see: User:Zombie Hunter Smurf/Sandbox3
    2. Complete a serious reorganization of the 1632 series articles before they are mass deleted like the Timeline 191 articles.
    3. Elect project coordinators (I’m thinking at least three) who keep the project on track by encouraging collaborative work and brainstorming new ideas.
    4. Restart the monthly collaborative projects to improve certain articles.
    5. Continue tagging alternate history related articles with the project banner and invite users to join the group.

    If you have any questions, comments or any ideas please feel free to share them. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

    I've listed myself as a supporter. I hope to be more active, but am not sure I will have the time. The Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron could be a useful resource to help improve article up for deletion. Edward321 (talk) 14:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
    Thank you for that suggestion. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
    While it is for use with a role playing game I would recommend GURPS Infinite Worlds as a good starting point. I and going over there to start making the article more suitable for this.--BruceGrubb (talk) 15:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

    1632 Series AFD Notices[edit]

    Do to the large number of AFD's regarding the 1632 series, I will be listing them here. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks. I'll notify the Bar about this AfD, and we could consider transwify to 1632 wiki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    I've been moving a few of them to the Eric Flint Wiki, but that place is kind of dead. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 16:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    At least it's wikia, which means it has a chance of getting resurrected one day. Private wikis are just like private websites - they rot and die. This is why I like WMF wikis, and wiki farms like Wikia, much more so then independent projects - you can never be certain when all the work you put into them will evaporate... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    Well then unless anyone has any objections I will keep moving articles to the Eric Flint Wiki. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

    It has been suggested that some of the currently proposed deletes could be combined into a 1632 fandom article. The fandom of the seires might have some notability. According to some preliminary research I did they have conventions (Ctrl F 1632). Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 18:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

    That's a good point, I've even been to one of those :) I'd not be suprised if they were covered by some reliable sources (local newspapers in Virginia, for example?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    You are probably better placed to get some of that info. If you can find some sources I could write an article. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

    AFDs[edit]

    (edit 2) So what I'm seeing is that 6 articles have already been deleted, after around one week's worth of discussion, and three will be merged into articles that are too large to contain them. (The templates were too complex imho, so I'm not concerned by those deletions.) But why are these article deletions being ramrodded through? I thought deletion discussions gave people time to comment. I am gravely concerned by this, and I don't even know where to lodge a complaint. Tkech (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC) (edited minutes later after finding the other votes were also complete. grr.) Tkech (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC) (edit 2 - seems I am online at the same time as the admins who are closing out the debates, the last one just closed. ;-( Tkech (talk) 09:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC))
    I think seven days is long enough to discuss. And I don't consider that "ramrodding" them; a number of the articles are inappropriate and it seems a number of people think so. Also note that Becky Stearns was merged and redirected. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

    The Grantville Gazettes[edit]

    Since GGVIII has recently been deleted, it is entirely possible that more of the Gazettes would be target making it imperative in improving the articles to prevent deletion. Since 1-4 were published in print it shouldn't be difficult to find third party reliable sources. Since the rest, however, have not been published as such they may prove more difficult. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

    FYI, all the online versions of the Grantville Gazettes are up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grantville Gazette IV. For some reason Grantville Gazette IV is also listed even though it was published in hardcover. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 15:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
    Since we obviously won't have a chance or time to improve these articles before the deletions are completed ... where does the deleted article material get archived? I have clicked all kinds of links and get only dead ends. :( Tkech (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
    I have been moving most of the deleted material to the Eric Flint Wiki though for many articles I have broken up (like the 1632 institutions and places). Also I haven't finished moving the Grantville Gazette articles or the 1632 writers (though I have that article saved on my computer). I believe if you want to get access to deleted articles you need to talk to the admin who deleted it. To be honest with you the only article I didn't move to the Eric Flint Wiki was the 1632 universe background, but that article was worthless. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
    I'm an admin and have set up an account there. You can post a note on my talk page if you wish. Feel free, even the ones I've listed for deletion. My view is that they belong there, not here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

    Grantville[edit]

    So... considering that the deletion discussions got some sort of activity here, does that mean that a task force for 1632 will be set up, like the suggestion from last year? 76.66.200.21 (talk) 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

    I have no problem creating such a task force, but it would need a coordinator and I don't have the time to to lead such a group. Are you interested in being the coordinator of the task force? Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
    Pardon my ignorance. :$ What does a "task force" do? Perhaps you could point me at an article? (As an aside, three people have been working consistently at the Eric Flint wikia and have captured the wikipedia-deleted 1632/Gazette articles as best we could.) Tkech (talk) 20:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
    A task force (TF) is a sub-wikiproject, that is included as a subcompartment of a wikiproject. It works the same way, except in a more focused area. The WPBANNERMETA has hooks built in to support TFs. A TF, if it is large enough, supports its own Work Groups (WG), and WGs if they are large enough have separate Noticeboards (NB). ... But by that time, the TF or WG usually is split off into a separate wikiproject (WPP) of its own. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

    I am afraid there are not enough active editors to warrant creating such a task force. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

    Quick Question[edit]

    Is there anything that needs work on besides 1632?--Coldplay Expert 01:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC) there

    The alternate history article itself needs a general cleanup to get rid of all those excess examples. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
    Ok and I can make maps too if anyone needs them.--Coldplay Expert 19:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

    WP 1.0 bot announcement[edit]

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    Fox at the Front[edit]

    Hello all, just came by to let you know I've completed an article and placed the proper WProject templates. hope someone can assess it too. Thanks.--Eaglestorm (talk) 11:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

    US centric image in the WikiProject Alternate History template[edit]

    Each time I look at {{WikiProject Alternate History}} I keep thinking that it is a template related to the (alternative) American Civil War. It is true that those stories form a very popular section of all alternate histories, but... can we perhaps come with a more global image? Mind you, I am blanking at what could it be, too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

    Perhaps a mirror image of a globe? Naraht (talk) 20:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
    Perhaps. Do you have a specific image in mind? Perhaps we could make the current image a part of it, for example put it in the center or a (top right?) corner... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
    I concur - This project, as is the genre of Alternate History itself, broader than the American Civil War. Also, while some might think "Confederate Lincoln" awesome, many more may find it offensive. Given the historic and still lingering connection between the Confederate flag and racism, perhaps someone could devise a more appropriate moniker for this project. After first earlier comments above I looked over in the commons for possible icons that might fit this project and found a reverse-rotating earth gif. Perhaps it would fit the bill? With this in mind, I was BOLD and replaced the images in Template:User WP AH 2 with the globe. I hope this helps move the conversation forward. Drdpw (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    My concern is that the globe isn't accruate. If you look, you can see that Africa goes almost all the way to the poles. It's like they took a map and cut off everything north and south of 60 degrees and wrapped that around a sphere..Naraht (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    I noticed that too, but presumed that the image used to create the globe showed the earth at the Summer Solstice. Perhaps someone could create another reverse-rotating globe for the project. I've also seen an upside-down rotating globe somewhere around here, that might work as well.Drdpw (talk) 22:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    A southern hemisphere summer solstice would point the pole toward the viewer...Naraht (talk) 00:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
    I found the upside down globe image. Drdpw (talk) 00:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Rotating earth (small) south top.gif


    This butterfly effect image might be an appropriate icon for the AH Project. Drdpw (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Butterfly Effect.png

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    Red Inferno: 1945[edit]

    Red Inferno: 1945 has been prodded for deletion. 65.93.15.125 (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

    Timeline-191[edit]

    Timeline-191 has been nominated for deletion. 65.95.15.144 (talk) 06:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

    Non-fictional character[edit]

    Non-fictional character has been prodded for deletion. 64.229.100.45 (talk) 04:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

    Konpeki no Kantai[edit]

    I'm bringing this to the attention of WP:AH, using the google-translate versions, plus an episode guide. Hope you could help. Thank you. --Eaglestorm (talk) 14:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

    Project name?[edit]

    Hello all, not completely sure how to use Wikipedia, but I wanted to point out that the foundation of this page is mistaken. You refer to 'alternate history', when you mean 'alternative history'. Something that is 'alternate' is something which 'occurs in turn repeatedly', or as an adjective, 'every other' time. Whereas, something that is alternative is something which is 'available as another possibility'. Therefore, this page should be named 'Alternative History'. Sorry for the mess I've created on this page! 85.210.39.216 (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

    I think you mean "counterfactual history" -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 08:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
    Though technically not grammatical (its a misuse of the word alternate), its what the genre is most often called because of the connection between alternative history and secret history/conspiracy theories which as a serious form of historical discussion is not something AH writers like to be associated with.--Ollyoxenfree (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

    Nantucket serie: Nothing special or important[edit]

    Battle of Nantucket
    Part of the Walker War
    Date May 10 A.E.
    Location Nantucket, United States of Nantucket
    Result Decisive Nantucket victory
    Belligerents
    United States Nantucket Tartessos
    Commanders and leaders
    United States Marian Alston
    United States Sandy Rapczewicz
    Zeurkenol
    Naudrikol
    Strength
    ~2,000 Militia
    1 Steam ram ship
    3 Frigates
    Numerous smaller ships
    5-6,000 Soldiers
    8 Warships
    Troop transports
    Casualties and losses
    97 KIA
    Numerous wounded
    2 Frigats damaged
    1,000+ KIA
    Numerous captured
    2 Warship lost
    2 Warship captured

    Nothing of importans, was just bored and did a little infobox about the Battle of Nantucket in the Against the Tide of Years and want to show it off, all reference are from chapter 22. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 23:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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