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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt:
  • Needed articles.

We should have an article on every Pharaoh & every nome in Ancient Egypt. Let's check to see if every important Egyptologist has an article. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

  • Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

  • Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

  • Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

  • Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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Request for input in discussion forum[edit]

Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)

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A few comments regarding the 10,500 BC vernal equinox's position.[edit]

Tony Fairall and Ed Krupp are quoted as saying that, in 10,500 BC, the vernal equinox wasn't in Leo, but was within the modern boundaries of Virgo.

First of all, of course, where that year's vernal equinox was, with respect to modern constllaton-boundaries, is irrelevant, because maybe the late Pleistocene people hadn't yet heard about the modern constellation-boundaries.

Additionally:

1. The 2000 equatorial co-ordinates (RA and dec) that Fairall gave for the vernal equinox of 10,500 BC are exactly what one would get if one assumed that precession had always occurred at its current rate. But that's known to be incorrect. The precession-rate has been increasing. The precession-rate over the past 12,500 years has been less than the current rate.

2. Jaques Laskar is a distinguished, prominent and respected astronomer, and an expert on longterm celestial mechanics. He has published precession-rate curves that show the precession-rate over the millennia.

By Laskar's most Fairall-favorable precession-rate-curve, the local rate-minimum, occurring around 10,500 BC, was 49 arcseconds per Julian year.

The current rate is 50.28 arcseconds per Julian year.

If one assume that the rate varied linearly, with respect to time, during the interval from 10,500 BC to the present, then that implies an average precession-rate, during that interval, of (50.28 + 49)/2. That's 49.64 arcseconds per year.

Because the curve, over the entire interval of interest, is upward-curving, then the above-described linear approximation of it will over-estimate the area under the curve (the accumulated precession) over that interval. That favors Fairall's claim, because it makes the 10,500 BC vernal equinox look farther east (left) than it was. In other words, the equinox was farther west (rightward) than the linear approximation would suggest. ...more toward Leo, and farther from Virgo.

3. The matter of whether the equinox was within the ecliptic-longitude range of Leo's sickle-and-right-triange lion asterism depends on the position of that asterism's east (left) boundary--Denebola, Beta Leonis.

"Proper motion" is the gradual movement of the stars, noticeable over the millenia. Denebola is a fairly fast-moving star. Since 10,500 BC, Denebola has moved about 1.72 degrees, in a mostly westward (rightward) direction.

4. When that Fairall-favorable linear approximation of the precession-rate is applied, when the 49.64 estimate for the average precession-rate is applied, and when Denebola's proper motion is applied, you'll find that the vernal equinox, in 10,500 BC was within the ecliptic-longitude range encompassed by Leo's sickle-and-right-triangle lion asterism. In other words, in 10,500 BC, the vernal equinox was in Leo.

5. Additionally, to answer Fairall's and Krupp's statement that the 10,500 BC vernal equinox was within the modern boundaries of Virgo: Actually, when we use the Fairall-favoring linear approximation to the precession-rate, giving an average precession-rate of 49.64 over the interval of interest, a different result is found:

In 10,500 BC, the vernal equinox was well within the modern boundaries of Leo.

Summary:

Fairall's and Krupp's 2000 equatorial co-ordinates for the vernal equinox in 10,500 BC are exactly what they'd get if they made the incorrect assumption that the precession had always occurred at its current rate.

But, by Laskar's precession-rate curves, and allowing for Denebola's proper motion, the 10,500 BC vernal equinox was within the ecliptic-longitude range encompassed by Leo's sickle-and-right-triange lion asterism. Additionally, the 10,500 BC vernal equinox was also well within the modern boundaries of Leo--contrary to Fairall's and Krupp's claim that it was in the modern boundaries of Virgo.

Michael Ossipoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.77.166.175 (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Ushabti[edit]

There is currently a merge discussion concerning Ushabti and the newly created Egyptian shabtis. The latter needs some attention from an expert on the subject. Anyone's input would be appreciated. Regards, Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The new article should be deleted at once. That much text needs citation. And I'm not sure if the content is correct. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:15, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

1 million mummies[edit]

I've just created Fag el-Gamous because I wasn't sure whether an article existed about this cemetery or not. I thought this was a major discovery, but someone on ITN revealed that it was old news dating back to 2010. Someone should correct me here. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)