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- 1 Widespread vandalism
- 2 Request for Proposed Article Changes Review
- 3 Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500 HD
- 4 Category:Autonomous land vehicles
- 5 Category:Front-engined vehicles
- 6 Category:Mid-engined vehicles
- 7 Merger proposal notification
- 8 Category:Bugatti engines
- 9 Kish Khodro
- 10 Subaru Baja and Legacy (third generation) merger
- 11 Proposal: automobile articles' layout conventions
- 12 Lexus GX and LX mergers
- 13 Link Electrosystems
- 14 MG
- 15 Subaru Baja
- 16 Request to get Ferrari 250 GTO to get into WP:ITN (cleanup also required)
- 17 Audi A1
- 18 Automotive Crash Injury Research Center shows duplicated info
Over the last couple of months, there have been numerous instances of vandalism of car-related pages by unregistered users such as 188.8.131.52 (now blocked), 2601:c:3d80:5b:3875:fd0c:cfc7:284f , 2601:c:3d80:5b:206f:9881:d188:d1f4 and several other IPv6 addresses in the 2001:c:3d80:5b::/64 block. These are all Comcast, so my guess is that they all belong to a single person who switched to IPv6 when I got their IPv4 address blocked. Most of it has been very subtle, like changing production years—subtle enough that to begin with, I thought they were simply confused about model year vs calendar year—but there have been more blatant edits, like this series of date edits or removing links to sub-pages or outright section blanking. Vandalized pages include Jeep Wrangler, Chrysler Neon and Dodge Durango—they seem to focus on Chrysler brands—but also Volkswagen Golf, which is where I first encountered them. Please be on the lookout for this type of edit, and be very careful when reverting them as they sometimes use one IP to make an incorrect edit and another IP to change it back a few days later. DES (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Request for Proposed Article Changes Review
The article AAMCO has a pending update on its talk page from a PR company (hi there). Would love to get feedback and hear about any more information that we can make available or how we can better write the article to be more wiki appropriate. Stefannagey (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500 HD
I was browsing through pages, and came across the Chevrolet Silverado page. I noticed that, under the 4th-generation section, there was no information about the heavy-duty models. Therefore, I would like to place a request that someone please add the necessary information.
Category:Autonomous land vehicles
Category:Autonomous land vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Merge into Category:Unmanned ground vehicles. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Front-engined vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Mid-engined vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.
Merger proposal notification
Category:Bugatti engines, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Deleting with Dual Upmerge to Category:Bugatti and Category:Volkswagen engines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 15:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I am just raising the Article Alert on the Project page regarding Kish Khodro. Kish Khodro is an Iranian automobile manufacturer that apparently went defunct in the past decade. The article is currently under consideration as an "Article for Deletion" (AfD). This group may have thoughts regarding notability of the subject, especially in relation to past automotive AfD's. I found the below references that may or may not be sufficient.--Rpclod (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Kish Khodro". CarType. Retrieved 5 Aug 2014. "Kish Khodro is a car company based in Tehran, Iran. Kish Khodro was established in 1995 with the partnership of a private branch, foreign investor and the Bank of Mine and Industry, in order to produce 5000 cars (SINAD) annually in Kish Iland. 40% of the company is owned by the Iranian state bank. Their original model was the plastic-bodies Sinad I hatchback. This was followed by the differently styled Sinad II and the coupe version, the Sinad III. In 2003 they launched the Axon wagon, and in 2004 they launched the Veek MPV, which is based on the first generation Renault Scenic. The powertrain for their line-up is sourced from Renault."
- Balali, Mehrdad (May 22, 2000). "Kish Khodro rolls out newsports-utility car". Indian Express Newspaper (Mumbai). Retrieved 5 Aug 2014.
- "New car Sinad to enter the market". Iran Financial News. 20 March 2002.
- "Iranian Car Manufacturing Industry Strives to Pick Up Speed". Amman, Jordan: Al Bawaba. 23 May 2000. Retrieved 5 Aug 2014.
- "Kish Khodro Co Automotive Manufacturing". Iran Watch. Washington, DC: Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control. April 30, 2010. Retrieved 5 Aug 2014. "Listed by the British government as an entity of potential concern for WMD-related procurement; vehicle manufacturer; established in 1995." Also lists head office address as 18th Old Karadj Road, Complex of Meli, Kishkhodro, Iran
- Above referenced list is at 
- "Kish Khodro Veek". Autocade. Jack Yan & Associates. Retrieved 5 Aug 2014. "Kish Khodro Veek. 2004 to date (prod. n/a). 5-door MPV. F/F, 1598 cm³ (I4 OHC). Iranian version of Renault Mégane Scénic I, manufactured under licence by Kish Khodro. Different front end. Comfortable, and on a par with other Iranian cars developed from 1980s’ and 1990s’ French technology."
- "CAR PHOTO GALLERY and RESOURCE CENTER". Productioncars.com. Retrieved 5 Aug 2014.
Subaru Baja and Legacy (third generation) merger
I have proposed a merger for the Subaru Baja and Subaru Legacy (third generation) articles here: Talk:Subaru Baja#August 2014. All comments are welcome. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Proposal: automobile articles' layout conventions
Currently all automobile model articles are formatted in different ways, mostly depending on the personal taste of the page creator. E.g. one article has a Racing paragraph, another a Motorsport one; completely equivalent sections describing a vehicle's mechnicals are randomly titled Overview, Design, Specifications, Technical data etc.
So I've been thinking for a while: why don't we (I'll count myself in too..) WikiProject Automobiles come up with a convention for the overall layout of car models' pages? Simple guidelines of course, to be adapted to the peculiarities of each article; uniform section titles would already give a much more consistent feel to the Wiki. What do you think? - Cloverleaf II (talk) 15:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes please! OSX (talk • contributions) 15:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Why don't you add a draft new "Layout" section to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions for us all to look at and comment on? Bahnfrend (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Alright, as suggested I've thrown together a quick draft here on the WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions talk page. OSX, Bahnfrend, Warren Whyte and everyone else, we can start discussing there! – Cloverleaf II (talk) 09:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Lexus GX and LX mergers
I have proposed a merger for the Lexus GX to Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and Lexus LX to Toyota Land Cruiser here: Talk:Lexus LX#Merger proposal. All comments are welcome. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
There is an AFD for this article. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Link ElectroSystems. The company is an NZ company that makes a form of engine management system. Is it notable or not? NealeFamily (talk) 03:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
There are two MG discussion currently underway that may be of interest to project members: the reconfiguration of the MG page (moved to the existing MG (disambiguation)) to allow for MG to be freed up for the MG article (Talk:MG), and another related debate on the potential to merge MG Cars and MG Motors (Talk:MG_Motor#Merger_proposal). Warren (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
This article has been the subject of repeated merger attempts with Subaru Legacy. I inadvertently overlooked the latest attempt and the merger was just made, despite the fact that no discussion occurred and no rational was ever posited for the merger -- and despite considerable previous objections to the merger. Can someone please assist in outlining what the criteria are for automibile article mergers? I would suggest that the Baja was sufficiently distinct in it's design and marketing marketing as a separate vehicle from other Subaru models -- though based on the Subaru Outback (not the Legacy). The body type was also quite obviously different, the body was lengthened, there were numerous unique design features on the Baja: the switchback door, the tailgate, the exposed structural buttresses. Rather than reverting the merger again and starting a revert war, I'd like to get some guidance and consensus on what and when automobile articles get merged. Anyone? 842U (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Take a look several sections above. Notice was given, #Subaru Baja and Legacy (third generation) merger. OSX (talk • contributions) 14:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Request to get Ferrari 250 GTO to get into WP:ITN (cleanup also required)
Because the Ferrari 250 GTO broke the world auction record last night, as I feel this deserves to be as it is one of the most desirable cars of them all, I am trying to get this into WP:ITN/C but it appears that this article is in real need of improvement. My reasons for nomination is considering WP:ITN in the past had photographs, sculptures and even a manuscript for Bob Dylan's lyrics, so my argument is if these are considered to be art, why can't cars be. I will be very grateful for any cooperation. Link for ITN nomination. Donnie Park (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe you should take some proposals to the entry's talk page in the form, say, of half a dozen bullet point before you dive in?
- In principal, I agree the A1 entry has become a little bit tough on the digestive tract. I cannot tell with a five minute skim whether someone has spent a week of sweat and anguish writing it all up like that, or if he (or she, but I think probably he) has been having a copy 'n paste orgy from ... wherever.
- Either way, some of the quasi repetitive stuff might go better in a couple of appendices, in a seriously chunky set of foot notes below the entry and/or nicely tabulated. It's a pity the guy doesn't have a name and a wiki-identity. One hates to discourage constructive enthusiasm, but it would be interesting to try and understand a bit better where he is coming from.
- IF you will get into all this - good luck Charles01 (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Automotive Crash Injury Research Center shows duplicated info
The article stub Automotive Crash Injury Research Center has two paragraphs which contain almost exactly duplicated information, only moderately reworded. Should one of them be deleted? SLR Ellison (talk) 12:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)