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Merging individual model pages: HSV models to Holden Commodore[edit]

There is a discussion at Talk:Holden Special Vehicles#Merging individual model pages that affects 10 articles, and as a result of the large number of pages involved, I thought I would post a courtesy notice here. Basically, the proposal is to merge the various badge engineered HSV articles with the donor various Holden Commodore pages (e.g. Holden Commodore (VN), Holden Commodore (VY))

Models like the Clubsport, Senator, and HSV GTS would redirect to and have their own dedicated summary sections at Holden Special Vehicles. Links will then be provided in these section pointing readers to the various Commodore pages in additon to a brief history of that particular nameplate.

HSV GTS → redirected and summarised to HSV, with details at Commodore VP, VR, VS, VT, VX, VY, VZ, VE, VF
HSV Grange → redirected and summarised to HSV, with details at Holden Caprice
... et cetera

This is in accordance with past mergers, such as the merger of all Mercedes-Benz AMG pages with their donor models, merging hybrid versions of the Toyota Camry and Ford Escape to those pages, Lexus IS F to Lexus IS, and countless other examples. OSX (talkcontributions) 11:02, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

...and yet the article on the BMW M3 remains. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Worth noting: not every model is notable[edit]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamaha FZ700. Not every model is notable; WP:NRVE applies to all products. Unless consensus changes. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree. "Automatic" notability opens the door to some very problematic editing. Either a topic passes the general notability guideline, or it doesn't. bobrayner (talk) 23:08, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion at Jowett Bradford[edit]

There is currently a move discussion going on at Talk:Jowett Bradford#Requested move which hinges on whether the make, marque, or brand is "Jowett" or "Bradford". Any evidence regarding this, or any insight into the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia and the conventions of this Wikiproject, would be welcome. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 14:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Requesting help in verifying citations[edit]

Does anyone in the project have a copy of this book: Ian Beattie (1977). Automobile Body Design. Haynes Publishing Group. ISBN 0-85429-217-9.  ? Several new edits of Coupe de Ville cite this book and others as a reference, and three of the other cited references did not support the cited text, which makes these citations suspicious. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 13:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Schlörwagen[edit]

I recently came across a reference to a '30s streamliner based on the Benz 170H by this name. Is this notable in itself, for the Cd of only 0.113? Does anybody know more? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Should have searched it first....

Merge proposed: "Town car" and "Coupe de Ville" into "Sedanca"[edit]

I have proposed a merge of Town car and Coupe de Ville into Sedanca. The discussion is at Talk:Town Car body#Discussion. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 02:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-automatic and automatic transmissions[edit]

Today I was airily editing Wikipedia when - looking for a proper link for Fiat's Dualogic - I stumbled upon this:
Semi-automatic transmission "is an automobile transmission that does not change gears automatically, but rather facilitates manual gear changes by dispensing with the need to press a clutch pedal at the same time as changing gears"
But most of the transmissions here classified as "semi-automatic" (Lamborghini's E-Gear, Ferrari's F1, Alfa Romeo's Selespeed etc.) do have an automatic mode. In fact the article then says: "Modern "Semi-automatic transmissions" usually have a fully automatic mode"... So why that "Semi-"? It seems logical to me that everything that can automatically shift gears is an automatic transmission.
A torque converter with manual mode is automatic while an electrohydraulic gearbox with an automatic mode isn't? Cloverleaf II (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-automatic transmission is a term that has been used for various different arrangements over time, I think. For all I know it also means different things in different places. It used to be a term which in English speaking markets effectively covered an automatic clutch - eg available on the Volkswagen Beetles as an expensive extra in the 1960s. By that time the term was also used in English speaking markets for cars (mostly German) delivered with a "Saxomat" which was, again, more accurately described as an automatic clutch. There was something similar on French cars and, slightly later (as standard this time) on the NSU Ro80. For UK and Australian intended cars I think, even on small cars, they simply fitted fully automatic transmission as an expensive extra that did horrible things to the fuel consumption and the performance, but saved you from having to change gear. Where one phrase is used for various different things in different times and places, then I guess the important thing is to define what you mean when you use the phrase. The phrase is also, it seems, used someimes to define systems in expensive cars (again, usually though not always German cars as far as I can make out) whereby you can indeed choose between selecting an automatic mode and changing gears using your selector as a form of gear lever - that's a stick shift if you are in North America. Two quite different things, and there are variations on both themes when you get down to individual applications.
If the wiki entry on semi-automatic transmission is not a comprehensive tour of the different things that the phrase means or if, which is worse, it conflates different definitions in a single paragraph, then I guess it needs to be clarified, when someone has the time and energy to do something about it. And if you're the volunteer for the job, thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:55, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

"sportscar" v "sports car"[edit]

I invite interested editors to comment at Wikipedia talk:Typo Team#"sportscar" v "sports car" DH85868993 (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of some sub-categories of Category:Automobile transmissions[edit]

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The following sub-categories are nominated for deletion with a dual upmerge to Category:Automobile transmissions and the manufacturer category:

Please comment at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Automobiles At Wikimania 2014(updated version)[edit]

Please note: This is an upadated version of a previous post that I made

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Porsche[edit]

For your information, I am fielding a RfC with Porsche as one example at Wikipedia talk:Article titles#RfC: When COMMONNAME depends on country, culture, or demography Yiba (talk | contribs) 09:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Category:Valve timing tradenames[edit]

Category:Valve timing tradenames, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Merging into Category:Variable valve timing. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Widespread vandalism[edit]

Over the last couple of months, there have been numerous instances of vandalism of car-related pages by unregistered users such as 68.45.208.157 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (now blocked), 2601:c:3d80:5b:3875:fd0c:cfc7:284f (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 2601:c:3d80:5b:206f:9881:d188:d1f4 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and several other IPv6 addresses in the 2001:c:3d80:5b::/64 block. These are all Comcast, so my guess is that they all belong to a single person who switched to IPv6 when I got their IPv4 address blocked. Most of it has been very subtle, like changing production years—subtle enough that to begin with, I thought they were simply confused about model year vs calendar year—but there have been more blatant edits, like this series of date edits or removing links to sub-pages or outright section blanking. Vandalized pages include Jeep Wrangler, Chrysler Neon and Dodge Durango—they seem to focus on Chrysler brands—but also Volkswagen Golf, which is where I first encountered them. Please be on the lookout for this type of edit, and be very careful when reverting them as they sometimes use one IP to make an incorrect edit and another IP to change it back a few days later. DES (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for Proposed Article Changes Review[edit]

The article AAMCO has a pending update on its talk page from a PR company (hi there). Would love to get feedback and hear about any more information that we can make available or how we can better write the article to be more wiki appropriate. Stefannagey (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500 HD[edit]

I was browsing through pages, and came across the Chevrolet Silverado page. I noticed that, under the 4th-generation section, there was no information about the heavy-duty models. Therefore, I would like to place a request that someone please add the necessary information.

Thank you! --Cargeek100 (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Autonomous land vehicles[edit]

Category:Autonomous land vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Merge into Category:Unmanned ground vehicles. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Front-engined vehicles[edit]

Category:Front-engined vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Mid-engined vehicles[edit]

Category:Mid-engined vehicles, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for Deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.

Merger proposal notification[edit]

Good morning. I've proposed that McLaren 650S be merged into McLaren 12C. Let's discuss it here -- Cloverleaf II (talk) 08:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)