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Team season game logs[edit]

A long-time blocked editor, SNIyer12, has who has an obsessive-to-the-point-of-needing-psychiatric-help focus on the 1993-94 New York Rangers and Knicks seems to have begun branching out into baseball articles, and is pushing significant changes to season game logs. A current example is 2002 Anaheim Angels season. His obsession tends to focus on media outlets, and on the hockey side at least, we've decided that knowing what the start time was and which television station broadcast a game from 20 years ago is not useful information. It simply detracts from the important parts of a game log. I'm not sure what you guys think of this on the baseball side, so am simply bringing it up for discussion rather than taking any action. Either way, don't expect SNIyer to respond to any requests, and if you decide to revert it out, plan on his coming back and trying to put it right back in. Resolute 13:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Now an anonymous editor has popped up at 1969 New York Mets season and 1986 New York Mets season making the same type of edits. Do we need to establish if any portion of these edits have consensus support? isaacl (talk) 08:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Latest pages to encounter these edits: 1994 Montreal Expos season, 2009 New York Yankees season, more edits to the 1969 and 1986 New York Mets season pages, and various New Jersey Devils season pages. isaacl (talk) 21:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

1901-1902 Baltimore Orioles/New York Yankees[edit]

Some interesting news here. Baseball-Reference has made the decision to remove the 1901-1902 Baltimore Orioles from the history of the New York Yankees. It appears that research provided by official MLB historian John Thorn swayed them. Should Wikipedia update to meet this decision? Penale52 (talk) 22:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A discussion has also been initiated at Talk:New York Yankees#Dropping the connection between the Baltimore Orioles (1901-1902) franchise and the New York Yankees.. Since this has been 100 years in the making, I would think it is best for Wikipedia to react slowly to let it sink in for a while longer. In the meantime, it may be appropriate to include a "new research suggests"-type subsection in the history of the Yankees, but for now WP should sit tight and let the rest of the world change first. Once it has been fully accepted by baseball and the sports media, then the encyclopedia can be updated to reflect that. Rgrds. -- (talk) 02:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I rewrote the History of the New York Yankees article and am interested in how this winds up being reflected in the record books since it affects how the early history is presented. Please let me know if there is anything that should be done now, or if this is something that will instead need to be considered in the future when new sources are published. I do wish that there was something stronger than a Sports Reference blog post, which would make Baseball-Reference's position sounder. Of course, it will take time for their position to be reflected in books and the like, which makes our job harder. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we should be very cautious about delinking the Orioles and Yankees. There are MANY sources over the past 110 years validating the link between the Orioles and Yankees, so a recent bits of revisionist history are hardly definitive. Rlendog (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

All hands on deck - Trade deadline 2014[edit]

The most exciting day of the year, and the most unconfirmed edits too. Lester and Gomes for Cespedes? Wow. Still not seeing it as confirmed, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

If everyone tries to fit in the on-deck circle, it's going to get awfully crowded. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Sometimes its not worth fighting that fight... you just get in a revert war with various IPs for a few minutes until the official announcements come down... I'd think if enough sources report something I have no real interest in fighting over it... The Lester deal has been confirmed now, by the way. Spanneraol (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Can you post the url of confirmation? Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The teams both tweeted the news of the deal.. that counts as official confirmation if it comes from the official team twitter.Spanneraol (talk) 16:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Cespedes was unsourced, so I reverted and semi-protected for 12h. Lester's editing for the trade has been mostly by auto confirmed editors, and is sourced (though original research to stretch it to a done deal), so I've left as is.—Bagumba (talk) 16:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Fact of the matter is that, regardless of how you feel about waiting for confirmation or not, a lot of messy editing is taking place. Now it's starting on Marlon Byrd, though the top NYY blog is saying no deal has been done yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Yea, the Byrd thing came from a fake tweet. And the editing is a mess, trying to fix rosters and make sure the right navbox gets added doesnt seem to interest these people. Spanneraol (talk) 18:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
That's why we have to be diligent: (A) We don't know what rumors are true and which are fake, and (B) the templates and in page edits (leads, infoboxes) are sloppy. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The deadline is in an hour, so we'll know what is confirmed or not soon enough. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks to all who helped with this. As I was away and was unable to help, let me know if there are any messes that still need to be cleaned up; I am more than willing to do my retroactive share :-) Go Phightins! 17:19, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

300 GAs[edit]

As of right now, we have 273 good articles, and there are roughly 20 more nominated at GAN. Given that we're close to a pretty nice milestone for any project, perhaps that's a quick mini-drive we could do. Aside from reviewing the already-nominated, find an article to turn around and nom to get us over the hump. Doesn't have to be a Hall of Famer worked on, though that'd be a nice bonus as well. Wizardman 23:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

274 now. I'm willing to review them so long as you're all willing to write them, btw. Wizardman 16:47, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I have a few sitting there, I think. I will work on some more. I agree; that would be a nice mini-milestone. Go Phightins! 17:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I'll write more in time. Real life is a more pressing priority atm. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Input on Javier Báez[edit]

I would appreciate anyone's input on Javier Báez, specifically the detail in the minor league section. I made a significant cutdown which was reverted. Discussion is ongoing here (link). – Muboshgu (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost WikiProject report[edit]

The WikiProject Report of The Signpost would like to focus on WikiProject Baseball for a Signpost article on or around August 20. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. If you are willing to answer a few questions about WikiProject Baseball, just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. Thank you for your time; the visibility will allow other users to better engage with the project. (writing largely based on [1]). Seattle (talk) 17:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Columns in season game logs[edit]

In this series of edits to 1994 Montreal Expos season, an editor added tables for game logs. I removed the columns for stadium, game time, local TV, local cable TV, national TV, national cable TV, local radio, and national radio, as I believe this information is overly detailed, as well as being mostly repetitive, and so obscure the more important data in the table. Can we establish a consensus view on this? Thanks. isaacl (talk) 02:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Also note that the editor has re-added game log tables for the spring training season. Based on previous discussion, I had removed this addition. I've asked the editor to join in this discussion. isaacl (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Now the editor is filling in the game log table and re-inserting the additional columns. Can anyone weigh in on whether or not these columns should be present? Assuming there is a consensus to omit these columns, I'm at a bit of a loss at what to do, since short of semi-protection of every single team season article, I don't see a good way to stop these columns from being entered, and taking them out without removing the rest of the tabular data is tedious. isaacl (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The TV stuff is ridiculous.. the local tv/radio info is already in the info box at the head of each article and doesnt change game to game. No reason to have it in these gamelogs. Spanneraol (talk) 18:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've warned the IP. We can block the editors adding spring training game logs, but that's all I can think to do. We had a discussion about (probably) the same user adding local TV and local radio stations to regular-season game logs, and agreed that those parameters shouldn't be added to the table. Seattle (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Just a note: it's a different IP address now (see the edit history for 1994 Montreal Expos season). I'd forgotten about this discussion from 2012; not too much input, but the couple of people who commented did favour dropping the TV information. isaacl (talk) 18:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
@Go Phightins!: Left the same warning. The next time it happens should lead to a block... Seattle (talk) 18:35, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I didn't find a discussion regarding an anonymous IP editor; if you happen to have an idea where the discussion is located, I'd appreciate a pointer. The spring training logs are easy to remove since there is consensus to drop the whole table, but extra columns in the game logs table are a pain to remove. (I suppose I could write a Lua module to assist.) isaacl (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I remember having one but I can't find it in the archives. I remember it was a recent discussion though. Seattle (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The editor has re-inserted the stadium column and the spring training log. (The last few edits were from a different IP address.) isaacl (talk) 08:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Source list? input requested[edit]

Hey fellow editors, I was thinking it might not be a bad idea if we were to start a list somewhere in our project space of sources for each team, so if, for example, a player was traded from the Orioles to the Phillies, I as a Phillies editor would be able to find some good sources on the Orioles to check for information about the player. For example, for the Phillies, I would list the newspapers, other sites, blogs (noting which are reliable and which are unreliable), etc. that cover the Phillies, and hopefully y'all would do the same on other teams so we could all know which sources are good for which teams. This made more sense in my head than when I actually typed it, so feel free to ask for clarification if you need it. Thanks, and God bless! Go Phightins! 02:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. For books, we might also be able to indicate whether any project members own copies. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 12:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
True - a "virtual library" might be a good idea .. I have a personal one, but we could amalgamate; I will get started on this when time allows. Go Phightins! 12:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

List of St. Louis Cardinals team records and Red Munger[edit]

Munger's ERA of 1.34 in 1944 is on the list even though Munger didn't pitch enough innings to qualify for National League ERA title. Should he therefore be mentioned?...William 11:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I would lean toward not mentioning it. If we do, that opens the door for having a bunch of 0.00 "team records" that reflect 3 13 innings pitched and such. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 12:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Announcing the latest new and exciting news in WP:BASEBALL! (please read)[edit]

I have boldly created the WikiProject Baseball library here. Please help get it off the ground by updating the information for your team, and by adding the resources to which you have access. Let me know if you have any questions/suggestions/etc. Thanks! Go Phightins! 21:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Great work, GP! I think this is going to be very helpful. Question: I have a number of player biographies. Should I add them under the team-specific sections for the player's primary team, or is there a better way to handle that? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 03:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I would say probably add them under a new subsection for players; just list the player and book title, I'd say. Thanks for all your help. Go Phightins! 11:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Recording the voices of baseball players[edit]

Congratulations on your feature in The Signpost. I think you might be interested in a project I started, the 'Voice Intro Project' (#WikiVIP), which records the speaking voices of people who demonstrate what tho are the subject of a Wikipedia biography. The aim is to demonstrate what they sound like, and how they pronounce their own names. Subjects can record in English, and/ or in any other language in which they are comfortable. Please contribute, by recording any baseball personalities you know or meet; or encouraging them to supply their own recordings. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:18, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Miami Marlins' color for {{Baseball alternative primary color}}[edit]

Miami Marlins
Bats: {{{bats}}} Throws: {{{throws}}}

The color that is currently set for the Miami Marlins for {{Baseball alternative primary color}} is the team's blue. I disagree with this color choice - the color template is prominently used in several infoboxes, and the Marlins' blue is merely an accent color that barely shows up in their branding (about as often as yellow does). Outside of the logo/wordmark or the drop shadowing on the numbers for the orange jersey, the blue is not used anywhere on the team uniform. For example, Marlins players currently have an infobox that looks like the example to the right, which doesn't sit right with me. If anything, the blue color should be replaced with orange, as the team uses it about as much as the Baltimore Orioles or San Francisco Giants do. What does everyone think? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 12:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)