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Another city-specific, sport-specific set of categories[edit]

Just ran across Category:Basketball players from San Francisco, California, which treads the same ground as Portland and Chicago. I don't have the energy to run this down, but I may get around to AfDing it (and its companion categories) this weekend if someone else doesn't. Rikster2 (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I have added the San Francisco categories to Categories for Discussion. Please see discussion here to weigh in. Rikster2 (talk) 01:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Columbus Crush[edit]

Is there any reason why the star-gazing article at Columbus Crush should not be deleted? Are there any independent sources? --Bejnar (talk) 06:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Be bold! Without looking into specifics of this case, I think that most current ABA teams would be a similar delete as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlanta Aliens. Likely the only coverage (at best) is scores and schedules in the local paper, a non-independent ABA website, press releases from the team itself, or coverage from non-reliable blogs.—Bagumba (talk) 07:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree, just PROD it. It's very possible no one will notice or care. Rikster2 (talk) 14:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Willie Simmons[edit]

Dear basketball enthusiasts: The above page was never submitted at Afc, and will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable player? Should the draft be saved from deletion or let go? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

So long as the information checks out as valid, he would meet WP:NBASKETBALL as having played in Australia's National Basketball League. I will take a look, verify the information, and create the article if everything checks out. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 13:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Great! I have postponed deletion to give you time to work on it. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

San Diego sports curse[edit]

has been nominated for deletion. Come on over and participate in the discussion....William 15:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Basketball players that played for national teams[edit]

Do we have something like Category:Association football players by national team? If we don't have one, how should we call it? "England international footballers" doesn't translate that well in basketball... –HTD 18:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

There is no parent category, but I imagine that categories like Category:United States men's national basketball team members would be sub-categories and it seems like a fine idea. Maybe "Men's national basketball team members?" I do think we should try to reach consensus on exactly who the national team categories are applied to, though. The US cat specifically calls out the FIBA WC, Olympics and Pan Am games - which excludes things like junior tournaments, etc. I am sure ice hockey has a potential category structure model as well. Rikster2 (talk) 19:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
If anything, there'd be separate categories for senior and junior appearances: as for which tournaments get in, as long as the match was under the auspices of the basketball federation and part of a tournament, we can include those. Friendly and tune-ups are quite another thing altogether though.
Basically the question is the naming convention. I realize we already have Olympic basketball players for most countries that played in the Olympics, so we can base the names loosely on that. –HTD 02:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Teams listed in biography infobox[edit]

From my experience, only teams that a player has played at least one game for are listed in the "Career history" section of Template:Infobox basketball biography. Is there any precedent to include other teams? Some have recently added teams to Andrew Bynum such as the Philadelphia 76ers, who he was employed for a year but never played a game. Others are adding Chicago Bulls, who traded for him but released him the same day. At Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography#Draft-day_trade_should_be_listed_in_infobox, there was consensus to not list a team that drafts a player and then trades before he plays for the drafting team. WP:IBX advises that the purpose of an infobox is "to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." I believe for brevity, only teams that a player has played a game for should be in the infobox, while other teams he might have had a loose association with can be discussed in detail in prose.

thanks for posting this Bagumba, I was going to do the same with all the Bynum madness. I fully support previous consensus to only list clubs a player has played for. It is the same criteria we use for team category application, which brings consistency. The Bynum case is a weird one. Not only did he spend an entire, very public season with a team he never played for, he also only played in calendar year 2013 for the Cavs. The other side of how we have displayed team tenures is year span going by game appearances. So technically, Bynum's tenure with the Cavs should be 2013, not 2013-2014. This comes into play often this time of year - Seth Curry signed with Memphis in late December but only played one game for them - in January, 2014. Bynum's year in Philly is an extreme case because leaving it off the club history leaves an obvious hole that readers (naturally, I think) want to fill. I was OK with the DNP note for this reason, but how is this different from Willie Reed, who was signed to a 10-day by Memphis late last year and never got into an NBA game? Seems like having these extra clubs in the infobox invites adding categories incorrectly. Regardless, no was in heck Chicago should show in Bynum's infobox. That is silly and frankly misleading. Rikster2 (talk) 00:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
As an aside, it always amazes me how many first time editors come out of the woodwork during transactions and do this stuff. I guess they are coming to see if the transaction (rumored or actual) is reflected and if not they want to make sure they take care if it. Loved all the Pau Gasol activity. Rikster2 (talk) 01:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Aside 2: I always wondered how much Wikipedia traffic numbers are attributed to editors looking to be the first to add news, as opposed to readers seeking information.—Bagumba (talk) 01:21, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
The biggest ongoing concern when this happens is "drive by" IP editors, but this happens in BLP, in sports, and in anything in general really that is fast paced. I think really it'd be beneficial to block IPs altogether in these situations rather than having approved editing as in the case of Bynum. As far as adding information to info boxes, where do we really stop, do we consider draft and trades? Trade and waives? I was the first to say Bynum shouldn't have even been listed as a Bull in the first place as it wasn't known that he would actually play there. I think in the case of people like Bynum we really need to sit on it until there is some solid information, but... that's never been the way of wikipedia. I support the notion that clubs a player has not played for should not be listed in their info boxes, the information in the case of Bynum is sufficient under the heading of his Cavs career. For the record I've come out of the woodwork as a Bulls fan. --Orestes1984 (talk) 10:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I think registration should be required. There are many IPs who make beneficial changes/corrections, but my guess is IPs account for an unequal share of vandalism too. It is much more difficult to hold IP users accountable, and I think accountability is one thing that encourages different parties to work out differences vs. just fight over things. I don't think that will ever happen though, given that the is a sizeable faction on WP who feel this would not be consistent with being the "encyclopedia anyone can edit." What they don't realize is that some of the vandalism/BS IPs cause is a big reason why good editors walk away. Rikster2 (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
What about Greg Oden? He has 2007–2012, but did not play from december 2009 to end of 2011–12 season? Should he not then be changed as well? I think it should be a tenure, not just when they actually played (unless they didn't play at all during their tenure with a club ie Andrew Bynum – which i agree with). It doesn't look good having only "2014" for Seth Curry for example or Wayns. For example, if someone signs with a club in January 2009 and leaves the club in April 2011 but only played one game for the club (in lets say) February 2009, they appeared for the club, therefore should have 20092011. It looks odd if (for this example), it only has 2009. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
To add, there are many infoxes that will need to be changed if this is the case. A lot of infoboxes just have the tenures, not necessarily when they actually played. I think as long as they play at least one second for the club, how ever long their tenure is should show in the infobox. ie Andrew Bynum should not have the Philadelphia 76ers in his infoxbox because, yes, he dint play/appear for them. But for Seth Curry for example, he mad his appearance so his tenure should stand in the infobox, not just the year he played in. It can get confusing and looks odd (to me anyway). DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, I am ambivalent about what drives the date ranges that appear as long as it is consistent. I will say that a lot of historical players' club history's are based on game logs because that is what we have available. In the NBA we can get reliable transaction info, but that isn't true of a lot of leagues around the world as well as the CBA, ABA and NBL. I think it also looks weird not to list Bynum with the Sixers or Willie Reed with Memphis because it leaves a gap too, but I understand why we don't do it (and am not advocating changing that). Rikster2 (talk) 13:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I still think Seth Curry and Maalik Wayns examples need to have the full tenure, not just when they played. I first came about this thing with Magnum Rolle and his Atlanta Hawks stint. Due to not playing for the Hawks, it was removed. At first, I didn't not like this but I have come to terms with this idea that if they did not appear for them, then sure, it shouldn't be listed in the infobox. But when it comes to Curry and Wayns, I think because they played for them, the full tenure should stand. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Go with what the NBA does? Full season tenure whether they played or not? I think we can list Bynum as being a 76ers player despite not playing there simply for the fact he spent so much time on contract there. However, in the case of Chicago which was simply a matter of trade and waive, or in cases such as draft and trades I don't think it should be listed other than as the team that drafted the player, in this case Phoenix which drafted Luol Deng. --Orestes1984 (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I would go with what has been done for a long time, that they only get listed if they played a game. You can't say they played for a team if they never got into a game. All that happened was that their rights were owned. Its the same way we treat categories, they are only added once a game has been playerd. -DJSasso (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
DJSasso, do you know of any hockey examples like Bynum who were with a team for a full season but never played? He's kind of the extreme case here and I'm just curious how you guys have handled it and if there have been a lot of cases of adding the "missing" team. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I can't think of any off hand that were with a team a whole year and never played a game with them at some point in their career. Personally I would equate it to a player who has had his rights owned by the team but was on a minor league team during that year. You wouldn't list them as being on the team either. But that is just my opinion. We also don't list the dates so it takes some of the complication out of it for us. We used to list a team twice if they had two separate stints but I don't believe we do that any longer but I am not sure. -DJSasso (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
If they are signed by a major team and did not play at all i.e. an NBA team such as the 76ers in this case, we should still have it listed but use a note (<ref group=n>) to explain that they did not actually play a game for that team. It includes all information rather than having a reader see it or not and be confused. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 20:31, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd be wary of players that sign a lot of 10-day NBA contracts that never play a game. I might be OK if Bynum was agreed to be a one-off exception.—Bagumba (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Maybe a minimum amount of time spent on the team (in season) should be a requirement to have that team listed in the career section along with the note. Something like a month is what I think as a minimum. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 21:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
It would also have to specify that it is a certain amount of time in season to work. What happens very frequently is an American player signs with a European team in July and is cut or takes a better offer in October before that team's season starts. In my opinion, that team should absolutely not be in the infobox. and, again, this happens frequently every season - more often than someone signing a 10-day in the NBA and not playing. Rikster2 (talk) 21:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree, in season would be better than just being on the team. I've changed my comment above. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 21:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I think it should be a full missed season (like Bynum) if we are going to make this exception. A month is too short. Rikster2 (talk) 22:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Equate it to Derrick Rose, he's still listed as a Bull despite missing two seasons with a similar injury to Bynum... There's Rondo, Shumpert and Westbrook in that category to less extreme extents. I think the time Bynum was signed with the 76ers was notable enough that he should be listed. I don't think draft and trade or tade and waive situations are notable enough because otherwise you have the other side of this trade with Luol Deng where he'd be listed as a Phoenix Suns player despite never playing there. The situation with Bynum should be treated the same as a player that has had their draft rights acquired by another team. --Orestes1984 (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, basketball reference only lists the Lakers and the Cavs as Bynum's teams (jersey numbers), although the transactions and salaries section do list his stays at Philadelphia and Chicago. –HTD 09:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Poll for team options[edit]

Based on the ideas from the discussion above, I think a WP:POLL might be helpful to gauge the options discussed.  !Vote by adding your name to one option below. Feel free to add new options as needed. Also for simplicity, I intentionally left out which years to list for the tenure for a team, as that seems like a different discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Option 1: All teams who have owned rights to the player[edit]

Option 2: Only teams which a player has played a game[edit]

  1. This should remain the general rule. I wouldn't have a problem with option 4 if there is consensus, as Wikipedia is WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY.—Bagumba (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  2. Agreed. Full tenures should be shown if at least one game was played ie Greg Oden. DaHuzyBru (talk) 11:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
    Meaning, for example, Seth Curry should have 2013–2014, not just 2014 – he played a game for the Grizzlies therefore his full tenure should show, not just the year he played in (ie January 5, 2014). DaHuzyBru (talk) 11:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  3. Agree - I think there are some benefits to having some extreme exceptions (like Bynum/76ers and like Greg Oden may end up with the Heat this year), but I like the consistency of policy with how we apply categories. Incidentally, I am adamantly opposed to option 1 - that is a nightmare waiting to happen given that we have players who actually played for close to 30 teams. If you start adding Summer League contracts and the like it gets incredibly hard to verify where someone actually played. I am also perfectly fine with tenures being signing period so long as they have played a game - I was just working under what I thought the convention was. Rikster2 (talk) 13:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
    One more note - I think we should continue with the policy of listing current team as team they have signed (draft picks, trades, signings) so long as there is a reasonable possibility they will play for that team. For example, I was fine with the Bynum article showing the Bulls for the 22 hours or whatever it was that he was their "property." Same with someone like Nerlens Noel who is currently injured on the 76ers roster but will probably play for them. Rikster2 (talk) 13:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
    "Comment' - I don't believe there were any notable grounds to assume Bynum would actually play for the Bulls, it was pretty cut and dry since the rumours started flying around. --Orestes1984 (talk) 05:03, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
  4. I support this one, you can't really list a team in a list of teams played for if he never actually played. -DJSasso (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  5. I see no reason to change from this longtime standard.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support. It's not only been the long-time practice, but it's a very clear cutoff as to who qualifies for a "X players" category. Never appeared in at least 1 regular or postseason game for the team, even if for five seconds? Not an 'X player.' Jrcla2 (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  7. Agree There may be situations where it makes sense to discuss the fact that a player was on a team's roster, as part of a discussion of a trade, but that belongs int he main text, not in the template.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  8. Support. I believe we should have clearer criteria without any exception. If there is a one-time exception for Bynum or any other players, I believe this will lead to similar and repeated discussion down the years. Sure, Bynum's tenure with the 76ers seems notable today but in 10 years, I doubt it. If we indeed keep this option, I suggest to add a footnote in the infobox (similar to the footnotes on Template:Infobox football biography) that explains that the career history sections only list the team which the player has played for, excluding any preseason/training camp teams and teams which he haven't played for. — MT (talk) 05:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Option 3: Only teams which a player has played a game, or been on been under contract for a year if never played[edit]

Option 4: Only teams which a player has played a game, with one-time exceptions for Bynum and 76ers, and others when there is consensus[edit]

  1. Support. Full season tenure for players who play at least 1 game in a season, this has been the general ongoing practice, consensus is needed on rare exceptions such as Bynum before being listed as a player --Orestes1984 (talk) 05:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Ian Hummer[edit]

Any word on whether Ian Hummer is playing somewhere this year?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like he just signed in Germany with ratiopharm Ulm Rikster2 (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Height in m or cm[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography#Height_parameter to reach a consensus on the displaying of player heights in m vs. cm.—Bagumba (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Larry Bird photo[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to let you guys know I just added a nice photo to Larry Bird's article. I know little about basketball, so you guys can probably improve upon my caption or find a better place for the photo. Thanks! Delaywaves • talk 03:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Can somebody create "2014 in basketball?"[edit]

We are mostly through January and there needs to be a 2014 in basketball article created so that results (which will start rolling in April) can be recorded. I usually add deceased individuals, and who knows when they will start. Would someone step up and start the article? You can use previous ones as a shell. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Still no takers, eh? Rikster2 (talk) 03:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I'll do this later in the day... –HTD 00:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Isaiah Thomas[edit]

Isaiah Thomas's article title should be something like Isaiah Thomas (Hall of Fame Basketball player) or something that will distinguish it from the other current basketball player with the same name.

Robert4565 (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The HOF player is Isiah Thomas.—Bagumba (talk) 23:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Kevin McHale[edit]

Should Kevin McHale's page have the Houston Rockets outline in the box? It wouldn't make sense because the other coaches don't have those.

Robert4565 (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, every active NBA coach (head and assistant) shows the team colors. Rikster2 (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Basketball at the 2013 Palarong Pambansa[edit]

Hello, basketball experts. This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable competition, and are there references to be found? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

(It's gone now...} —Anne Delong (talk) 03:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Demetrius Phillips[edit]

Dear basketball experts: Should this old abandoned Afc submission be kept, or deleted as a stale draft? If kept it would need a good pruning, I think. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Indrek Kajupank[edit]

Hello again - one more old draft about to be deleted- is this a notable player? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics[edit]

I am trying to get some reviewers for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics/archive2. It had an earlier nomination but failed for lack of reviewers. If you could take a few minutes to post even a short review, it would be much appreciated. Especially from someone who knows a bit about basketball. But don't let that stop you. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Colombian Basketball League[edit]

Hello?? Is this a notable basketball league? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Or how about this fellow: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael Wittman who has been inducted into various halls of fame? —Anne Delong (talk) 04:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess I'll stop posting here. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

NBA venue/arena categories rename at CfR[edit]

I highly encourage you all to visit Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 21#NBA venues to take part in a mass category renaming proposal I created. Thank you. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Category for players that played in the national basketball teams[edit]

What should be the names of the categories for players that played in national basketball teams? I realize "international" and even "caps" aren't widely used in basketball, so what should it be? For the USA's case, would it be:

  1. Category:United States national basketball team players
  2. Category:United States national basketball team internationals
  3. Category:United States national basketball team members
  4. Category:Players of the United States national basketball team

What else? I'm leaning towards the first one... –HTD 01:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

No. 1 I assume men's and women's will be subcategories.—Bagumba (talk) 02:06, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Including the under-age categories. –HTD 02:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

All-PLK Team[edit]

Is All-PLK Team notable and deserving of an article? if not, could somebody please PROD... Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:23, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Not really an answer, but there are similar articles (lists?) for other "top-flight" basketball leagues elsewhere... –HTD 20:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pacific-12 Conference color[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Pacific-12 Conference color has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Bill Russell[edit]

The Bill Russell article could use some improvements -In the infobox Bill Russell was a player and coach during some of the same years -List accomplishments as a coach and as a player

Robert4565 (talk) 18:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

NCAA colors in basketball bio infoboxes[edit]

Hello, I am not an expert in WikiText, so can anyone introduce the templates, Template:CollegePrimaryStyle and Template:CollegeSecondaryStyle, to the main template... Template:Infobox basketball biography/style ? Temple of the Mousy (talk) 11:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

done, but using a different approach for the moment. will merge everything if there are no issues. Frietjes (talk) 01:19, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

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Eurocup match[edit]

Hi! I don't know if I could find many European basketball fans here, but I speak very rudimentary German, so I have no choice but to post this here. I've covered the match between Valencia Basket and Alba Berlin. Yes, the images are very poor, but We have no better alternatives to illustrate some articles like Justin Doellman's or Bojan Dubljević's. Of course, I can identify Valencia players, but with the German ones I'll need help (if any of the photos can be usefull, because the resolution is as good as a cell phone-camera can be). At least one photo of coach Saša Obradović should be profitable, but We have better alternatives in Commons.--Coentor (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm not quite sure if there's a need for those picks either, but I can help you identify the players. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 14:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Module:Basketball biography[edit]

FYI, the Template:Infobox basketball biography/style template collapsed under the weight of the massive nested switch complexity. luckily, I was ready for the collapse, and merged all the various basketball color templates into Module:Basketball color. the actual data is in Module:Basketball color/data. we may want to add some protection to these modules if someone comes along and breaks them. but, until that happens, it might be good to simply watch them, and revert any edits that screw it up. the modules are self-testing, with the tables in the documentation generated automatically, so it should be easy to see if something has broken. hopefully, everything is documented well enough to understand how to manage the colors. I realize the actual module might need some additional documentation, but the data template should be readable. Frietjes (talk) 21:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks good! I went ahead and applied some protection to the main module, but left the data module semi-protected for now. Let me know if you need to have the protection increased. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Craig Smith[edit]

There is now a Craig Smith who is now a college basketball coach at South Dakota, yet Craig Smith links to the player who currently plays in the D-League. Personally, I think he is no more notable than any of the other Craig Smiths with articles, so I have to come up with a new label for him, but I can't say Craig Smith (basketball) since we have that basketball coach. If you can come up with a better label, please do so. DandyDan2007 (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Craig Smith (basketball coach) that you added here looks fine I guess, unless he also played. The only other common technique, is to add "born XXXX" to the title, not that it helps the reader, but gives a consistent unique name e.g. Mike Brown (basketball, born 1970).—Bagumba (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
From Smith's Nebraska coaching bio it does not appear that he played - he certainly wasn't notable as a player, anyway. I think basketball player/basketball coach is probably the best move. Rikster2 (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Turkish basketball teams' article name[edit]

I came across several of Turkish basketball teams articles recently and I'm amazed that there are no consistent format for the article name of basketball teams that are part of a multi-sport club:

I'm not an expert on Turkish sports but I have seen their famous football teams use the following naming convention: Fenerbahçe S.K. (football) and Galatasaray S.K. (football). I suggest that the basketball articles to follow the football articles and Galatasaray's articles naming convention. The page that should be moved are:

Any comments? — MT (talk) 13:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

How do English sources name these teams? –HTD 05:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
They simply call them Fenerbahce, Trabzonspor, and Besiktas. — MT (talk) 15:32, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
In most sources, the "F.C." is dropped for football clubs. Is this the same case here? –HTD 15:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I barely see the SK/JK after the team name. Sometimes the media also write the team name along with its sponsor names (such as: Galatasaray Liv Hospital, Fenerbahçe Ülker, Beşiktaş Integral Forex) because it is their official names in the Euroleague or Eurocup. — MT (talk) 15:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Can the men's basketball team make a case for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here? –HTD 16:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think so. I think the football teams are more popular and these clubs are originally formed as football club before they started to grow to a multi-sports club.— MT (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry; I was referring if the men's basketball team has first dibs on taking the "(basketball)" disambiguator. –HTD 16:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

2014 McDonald's All-American Boys Game images[edit]

I could use some help refining my image choices at Talk:2014_McDonald's_All-American_Boys_Game#Image_choices.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

These are some regs, who I have not called already Howard the Duck, Zagalejo, Sphilbrick, Martin tamb, Anne Delong, LauraHale, Chrishmt0423 and DaHuzyBru.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know anything about basketball; I was just posting here for the information of those who do, but I haven't been getting much response. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I would appreciate a bit more feedback.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't been around much lately. To be honest, I wouldn't even recognize most of these players, so I don't have any strong opinions. Zagalejo^^^ 04:31, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Flag usage on sports articles[edit]

A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

2008 United States men's Olympic basketball team[edit]

The roster wikitable's data are in the wrong places. I've tried fixing this, but I couldn't. Robert4565 (talk) 20:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I was actually able to fix it, but I couldn't label Kobe Bryant as the team captain Robert4565 (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

use |note=. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Small ball = small explanation[edit]

I came here for a simple answer about small ball. Because I don't know anything about basketball. What I got was a convoluted non-definition. Somebody please fix this. --- Jed Gould — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedgould (talkcontribs) 03:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I looked at Small ball (basketball). Several sentences were very long and disjointed, so I made a few tweaks for readability. I'm sure there's more room for improvement, though. If you don't know anything about basketball, then some of the terminology may still confuse you. To keep it short and sweet, a team that uses a small ball strategy is prioritizing smaller, quicker players over larger, slower players. Zagalejo^^^ 05:01, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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Adikhajuria (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis[edit]

The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:

  1. Mikhail Semyonov: ru:Умершие в 2006 году

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 FIBA Americas Under-18 Championship tournament team[edit]

I could use some help finding a link with the Tournament team for the 2014 FIBA Americas Under-18 Championship.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Are these edits legit?[edit]

IP user 179.197.175.137 has been making a bunch of edits to the uniforms of various non-US basketball clubs. I don't know enough to be comfortable saying these edits are good or a subtle vandalism attack. But I find it curious that so many basketball clubs presumably had the wrong uniform colors on their article pages... Maybe someone can take a look. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't vouch for others, but on the two that I know:
  • Flamengo's colors are red and black. I dunno if they're wearing (or wore for the just concluded season) red and black vertical stripes.
  • France NT: I dunno if they're changing it for the World Cup, but that's certainly not the uniform they used for Eurobasket 2013.
HTD 22:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
In the absence of a citation for the changes, I think I would treat them as suspicious and revert them. But I am not a member of this project. I stumbled on one of the edits by accident and it looked fishy so I checked out the IP's edit history, which also looked fishy. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah for me it's inconclusive. He could know next season's uniforms, or is a very good vandal. I don't think there are references for the edits though... –HTD 10:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I will leave that call to the members of this project. But I do think the edits are suspicious and they lack sources. Maybe someone could drop a line on the IPs talk page and ask for sources before hitting the revert button. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

links to basketpedya.com[edit]

Hi there, dead external links may not be a pressing issue, but because it's several years since basketpedya.com ceased to exist and a full text search still comes up with more than 400 pages containing its name, I'd suggest to have a bot remove those links. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 14:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Was basketpedya.com good enough to be listed as an external link? Do those 400 pages use it as a reference? –HTD 19:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
As fas I remember it, it was a pretty inaccurate, fan-run database, yet as the most comprehensive database of its kind available for free, I understand why it was quite an attractive source of information. Actually, I had thought of deleting it just from "external links" sections. A lot of articles use it for inline citation as well, so these would need to be treated differently, but I'm sure in most (if not all) of these cases, better references (i.e., the leagues' official websites) are available. But as there's no need to hurry, that would probably be a long-term project. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Infobox for 2014 WNBA All-Star Game[edit]

The score is not displaying when it is added into the text of the infobox. Does anybody know what could cause this? Robert4565 (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

There has to be quarter scoring. –HTD 13:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
My guess is that it is because the quarterly scoring is not filled in. I was going to do this but couldn't figure out how to show an overtime score. Maybe someone here can help. Rikster2 (talk) 13:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Use "qtr5". –HTD 13:45, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in discussion of use of "Nationality" field in a basketball infobox[edit]

There is a discussion taking place at Talk:Shoni Schimmel#Nationality concerning the proper use of this field for a Native American sportsperson. Please join the discussion to help reach consensus. Rikster2 (talk) 00:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)