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Carolina wren (GA)
Origin of birds
Last week, on the ABC Television scientific program, "Catalyst", an interesting segment entitiled "Where Birdsong Began" was shown, in which it was stated that songbirds, parrots and pigeons all evolved in Australia. Should this be mentioned on the Ornithology page - and, if so, where in the article should the information be added? Thanks. Figaro (talk) 12:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- The scientific research that it refers to is the reliable source that needs to be examined. The only thing that is relevant to the ornithology article would be the method used, if it were unique, but we already do touch upon molecular phylogeny. Also what "songbirds" refers to needs to be examined in the reliable source used by the TV program makers. Shyamal (talk) 12:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- There is a video of the segment on the Catalyst page, so the segment can be viewed and heard - along with the printed transcript of the segment. In the segment there are comments that the oldest known bird fossil has been found in Australia (53 million years old - predating other fossils of birds by at least 25 million years). Also, there is a comment that DNA was part of the research used. The research was made by scientists who were very surprised by their findings. Figaro (talk) 08:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I have not seen the video (looked at the transcript) but this must be related to http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2001.1883 - followed up by more recent works - http://mro.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/4681/02_whole.pdf?sequence=1 - it seems like this particular research on the evolutionary origin would be best included in bird, Oscine = songbird (evolutionary history section really needing work), Passerida and Rifleman_(bird). The fossils mentioned by Boles must be in these publications: Shyamal (talk) 11:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Boles, W.E. 1993. A Logrunner Orthonyx (Passeriformes: Orthonychidae) from the Miocene of Riversleigh, North-western Queensland. Emu 93:44–49.
- Boles, W.E. 1995. The world’s oldest songbird. Nature 374: 21–22.
- Boles, W.E. 1995. A preliminary analysis of the Passeriformes from Riversleigh, northwestern Queensland, Australia, with the description of a new species of lyrebird. Courier Forschungsinstitut Senckenberg 181:163–170.
- Boles, W.E. 1997. Fossil songbirds (Passeriformes) from the early Eocene of Australia. Emu 97:43–50.
- Boles, W.E. 2005. Fossil honeyeaters (Meliphagidae) from the Late Tertiary of Riversleigh, north-western Queensland. Emu 105:21–26.
The pale baywing has become a seperate species. I changed the redirect from Pale Baywing to Baywing to Pale baywing. The best is to change the name of the item Baywing in an article Agelaioides as most interwikis do. My problem is to change nl:Bleke koevogel to Pale baywing. Now it is a redirect to Baywing which is incorrect.--HWN 11:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC) hwdenie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwdenie (talk • contribs)
- @Hwdenie: Not sure I understand it correctly but the Dutch article now correctly links to the pale baywing - via Wikidata (which is probably what you are having trouble with) - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19598335#sitelinks-wikipedia Shyamal (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer. Indeed, the problem is solved by https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Supercarwaar, Bleke koevogel = Pale Baywing and Baywing is equivalent with Agelaioides. Greeting, Henrik, --HWN 16:59, 20 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwdenie (talk • contribs)
question for people who know more about birds than me
excuse me, by chance does anyone recognize what species of birds these are? they are different, and all I know is that the photographer is from Brazil. Thank you kindly. Earflaps (talk) 16:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
After our recent trip to Cuba, we thought we might try the Yucatan next since it's easily accessible from the UK via Cancun. We don't want to do an organised trip, so any advice or suggestions would be welcome. I appreciate that this is off-topic, so replies by email migght be in order Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
New article: Ottó Herman- Hungarian ornithologist & polymath
I'd like to call attention to the recent article Ottó Herman, which was a requested article on Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Article requests/People. The Hungarian language article is FA-class, and while most authoritative sources are in Hungarian, all are welcome to help flesh out this interesting individual, and increase his prominence to English readers. --Animalparty-- (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Animalparty: I'll have a go if you remind me, I live in Hungary and speak some Hungarian, not brilliantly but with the aid of translation tools and my Hungarian wife I tend to get it right after a few edits but it can seem awkward at first like with any translation, because one kinda concentrates on translating the words and meaning but forgets that the sentence structure is all in a different order (Hungarian tends to be OSV word order but sometimes is SVO word order) so it tends not to read so naturally, but any other editor can then sort that out. I will forget, though, hence leaving this as a reminder. Si Trew (talk) 14:55, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Please excuse me if this is not the right place to ask, but over at WP:RFD we are discussing the entry about Rare species of Penguin. Apparently the article for the Yellow-eyed penguin says it is the rarest but so does the Galapagos penguin, specifically ruling out the first-named. We're inclined to delete it as misleading, but I'd appreciate if anyone here contributed views of whether we could turn this into a list article. In 2007 there was just Penguin and it's kinda grown from there, but a bit higgledy-piggledy it seems. Si Trew (talk) 14:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)