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July 10 Flow Update

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Please see News and Notes, at Wikipedia talk:Flow#July 10 Flow Update, for the major update today. Feedback there is appreciated. Thanks.

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Feedback

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Matty.007 talk

Just some feedback:

  1. No table of contents?
  2. Doesn't fill whole screen, on Firefox fills ~1/2
  3. When I type in this box the bottom jiggles up and down
  4. Couldn't easily find how to edit a section

&lt;nowiki&gt;<nowiki>Thanks, ~~~~</nowiki>&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Found how to edit. No signing? That is weird...

  1. Page history is a disaster. The current page history is fine, why change it?
WhatamIdoing talk

Matty.007: As it says in the bright pink box at the top of the page, comments on the software are better placed over at WT:Flow. I doubt that any of the devs are reading WikiProject Breakfast.

You don't need to sign because it's auto-signing.

Matty.007 talk

Posted there. Thanks

Status request

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WhatamIdoing talk

User:Quiddity (WMF): Can you tell us what's new?

Quiddity (WMF) talk

WhatamIdoing: The main new feature is "Summarize", which is intended to grow into (with our feedback and suggestions) something along the lines of {{Archive top}} and related templates. It could also potentially be adapted or transformed into a preliminary summary? More feedback = more potential! See examples, and test it out, at Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page.

Apart from that, there's been a lot of back-end work, and bug-fixes, over the last few weeks. The new front-end is also getting closer to completion (and taking longer than estimated, sorry). I'll put together a more complete list of updates, in a new newsletter, next week.

Ottawahitech talk

WhatamIdoing: Thanks. (too bad I must post this and interrupt this thread)

Risker talk

Hmmm. What seems to be new is that the type size is smaller, particularly for responses. Still doesn't address the "power" issues of having responses in a different size than the original post, and still doesn't address the fact that on a typical screen, more than half the page is white space. But there are differences.

WhatamIdoing talk

I like to think that my screen is reasonably "typical", and it's only 30% (at the most) whitespace for me.

(Hmm, I wonder if a table of contents or vertical nav box could fill some of that space.)

Risker talk

WhatamIdoing: Well, that's even worse, because it means that the width is fixed and not adapting to the screens. That's pretty much in opposition to the all the design rules we keep being told are in operation, so that Mobile can be properly accommodated.

This is a classic example of fixing a non-existant problem by creating a whole new one.

WhatamIdoing talk

It's got a maximum width, not a fixed width. It should adapt to narrow screens very easily.

Diego Moya talk

WhatamIdoing: Does it have a minimum width too? When zooming in to show big fonts in a narrow screen (such as a mobile phone), it totally breaks the text reflowing, and half of the line is cut and left outside the view port. This makes it impossible to read without extensive left-right scrolling for each line, which is awful.

Technical 13 talk

WhatamIdoing: Problem is that on my 1440x702 window size, it is only using 56% of the screen which leaves 44% of the screen empty. That is a HORRIBLE waste of space.

Risker talk

If that is the case, then the maximum width is far too narrow. There's so much whitespace the writing gets lost. Especially the tiny reply font size. It needs to be adaptable to fill at least 2/3 of the width of whatever screen it is read on; it's too narrow on my laptop with lots of wasted space, and horrendous on the desktop, where it takes up less than half the screen left of the 2-inch sidebar.

WhatamIdoing talk

Risker: At a guess, the maximum is defined in "ems" (and therefore by the size of the words, not the size of the screen), and the choice is probably based on what length of lines people can read without losing their places easily.

So then the question becomes: Is it more important for your screen to be filled up, or is it more important for a person with dyslexia or poor vision to be able to read the page comfortably?

Risker talk

WhatamIdoing: I'd suggest you're taking the wrong tack here if you want to pump up the hypothetical benefits for some differently abled users by belittling my visual difficulties. Too much white space is physically painful for many people, and frequent font size changes are much more difficult to read for those whose visual accommodation is not that of the average 20-year-old. Keep the text at the same size, at the very minimum. There's never been a reasonable explanation for its changing size, and this point it's far smaller than anything else on the project. Many dyslexics use specialized software, and most people with poor vision use their browsers to big up the size; I do it myself when the font is too small. In fact, I tried to do it to read the replies here, which then made the font for initial posts enormous - but still less than 2/3 the screen.

WhatamIdoing talk

Risker: I agree that the size change is weird.

I'm afraid that the assertion that white space is "physically painful for many people" falls into my "citation needed" category. Most professionals in this area think it's valuable, "comfortable", "restful" and "easier for the eye to work". I'm willing to believe that you find it painful; I just think that if this were a common problem, that I'd be able to find a couple of reliable sources saying something about it. (I did look.)

Most dyslexics don't use specialized software. Most dyslexics don't even know that they have dyslexia, which is believed to affect 10 to 20 percent of adults. Specialized software is only used by people who have severe dyslexia, not by the far greater number of people whose mild dyslexia makes it hard for them to keep their place in a long string of characters.

Risker talk

Whatamidoing, your references do not show on the page. Another problem. Because I know your wiki-reputation, I can trust that you're not sending me to someplace I'd really not want to go, but I wouldn't follow an unviewable link from someone I didn't know, and indeed wouldn't follow links from a fair number of people I do know. Two of the three "studies" you link to are simply personal opinion of individual designers, and none of the examples they give show "bunched up" fine print taking up about 35% of the screen and pure whitespace everywhere else; even then, most of them have less "white" whitespace. One of the links you give me refers to a single study involving 20 college students, which shows that in this tiny sample, margins decrease reading speed and increase comprehension. However, the examples used in the study have margins that are about an inch wide, even less than the "whitespace" for the (mostly blank) column immediately to the left of this. (In other words, if we put an equally sized margin on the right, it would still have wider margins than the test readings.) None of the examples tested had anywhere near the white space that this screen has, even on an 11-inch screen.


(I will continue this in a new screen because this one is jumping like nobody's business.)

Risker talk

Continuing my comment above - the screen started jumping six lines up after my first keystroke on the line where I have the bracket, making it impossible to see what I was typing and being extremely annoying....there's a bug for this somewhere...

Bottom line, the entire purpose of this project is to facilitate communication. And yet, it gets fonts that are tinier than any other material except for the licensing terms below this window, with no explanation at all for what is obviously a design decision that's been complained about since the first testing of this product. Instead of making it better, further changes have actually made it worse.

Every time people ask for evidence, what we get are the same old links of personal blog posts by various designers - remember, they're business people who have to beef up their own products, and the same undated, tiny study that...irony of ironies...doesn't use its own research in its web page design.

WhatamIdoing talk

Risker: That is still far more evidence than I have been able to find to support your belief that "many people" find white space "physically painful". I haven't bothered with a search of scholarly sources. Feel free to do that if you want to. I suspect that our articles on the subject could use a good editor.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

WhatamIdoing, Risker: The fonts will all be fixed (will use same fontsize as content pages, and equal size for all posts) in the front-end overhaul. That was originally estimated to be finished many weeks ago, which is why time wasn't spent fixing more of the existing front-end aesthetics and bugs. (For which the devs apologize).

Regarding the column-width, and other whitespace issues, please (please!) migrate the discussion over to WT:Flow/Design FAQ, where the other interested editors will be likely to participate, and to avoid distracting/etc the WikiProject Breakfast participants. Thank you!

Candy

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WhatamIdoing talk

Just a heads-up that I'm talking over at WT:FOOD about re-writing the articles related to candy. This is resulting in Confectionery getting an accurate scope: bakers' confections (including many breakfast-oriented pastries and baked goods) plus sugar confections (candy/sweets) instead of just the sugar ones.

If you'd like to help with the breakfast aspects of Confectionery, then please feel free to join in. If there's a list of pastries or something, then it would be nice to have that linked.

Also, does anyone have a decent source about people eating candy for breakfast?

Ottawahitech talk

WhatamIdoing: I can't find a topic at wt:food called confectionary. Did you mean this?

WhatamIdoing talk

Ottawahitech: It's been archived, but it's now here. I'm looking forward to Flow's no-archive-needed system.

Ottawahitech talk

WhatamIdoing: OH YES - no archive needed!

Ottawahitech talk

WhatamIdoing: I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I found this List of pastries

Ottawahitech talk

Ottawahitech: There also Mekitsa which I found in List of breakfast foods which is not mentioned in List of pastries even though it is described as a pastry.

History: when the breakfast wikiproject was started we had a category: Breakfast foods, but it was deleted shortly after its creation through the wp:CfD process which I personally believe is a flawed process that damages efforts of editors to organize content...

WhatamIdoing talk

Thanks. Mekitsa sounds a bit like sopapillas, which also aren't on the list. I wonder if they're considered more "bread" than "pastry"? (I'm not sure what the difference is; fundamentally, all pastries are breads.)

Ottawahitech talk

WhatamIdoing: Tell you the truth I never realized some people refer to pastries as confectionary (which by the way this source confirms. When I googled confectionary I saw the definition runs the full gamut from candies alone to including pastries and some even included ice cream,

WhatamIdoing talk

Ottawahitech: I haven't seen any good sources that claim it's candy alone; confectionery is split into sugar confectionery (candy) and baker's confectionery (pastry and other sweet baked goods). I'm not sure which category ice cream is supposed to be included in, but I've also seen several sources that say it's a confection.

Bluerasberry talk

I will come up with something. My employer Consumer Reports has had engineers doing a lot of breakfast research for the past few months. Some research is in the food guides and I think in the news now CR is protesting the food coloring in waffle syrup.

Ottawahitech talk

I tried to start a new topic , but can't -- what I wanted to ask is why there have been no updates posted here from the developers in over a month.

Sj talk

Out of curiosity, What OS/browser are you using?

WhatamIdoing talk

I've got a source for eating candy for breakfast... and it says that sugar cereal is candy! The first was something like Sugar Crisp by Quaker Oats, and it was specifically made as candy-coated breakfast cereal puff, as a one-time treat for fairgoers for the 1904 World Fair.[source] The first commercial sugar cereal was put out in 1939, and the only serious difference between this presweetened "cereal" and the World Fair "candy" was the marketing.

Do you think that it would be weird to include this in Candy, as part of the information about meal replacements?

Bluerasberry talk

No it is not weird and yes share it, that is awesome! Do you have access to deeper sources? How did you get the name Sugar Crisp, when that is not in the original source? The section heading on 285 says, "Candy for Breakfast". I wonder if contemporary marketing really did call it a "candy-coated cereal puff".

WhatamIdoing talk

Bluerasberry: There's a 1951 ad for Post's Sugar Crisp reproduced in plate 15, which isn't in the Google Books version. It says that their cereal can be eaten as breakfast, snack, or candy. (All the color plates appear to be "page 183" according to Google.)

Bluerasberry talk

WhatamIdoing: Can you upload a copy of that advertisement? It would make a strong case for using the term "candy". I expect the ad would be in the public domain.

WhatamIdoing talk

Bluerasberry: You can see the ad here. Here's a similar one. This old TV ad uses the same slogan.

Bluerasberry talk

WhatamIdoing: Is it your belief that this is not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? If I uploaded this for you, would you use it?

Bluerasberry talk

Bluerasberry: Perhaps I cannot do that. It looks like Saturday Evening Post has its copyright renewed from April 1950 on. The uploader says this is 1950, but someone else says this is from November 1960. Not sure...

WhatamIdoing talk

Bluerasberry: My search for "Sugar Crisp" (quoted) at Commons produced zero hits. I'd use it. It should also be placed at Sugar Bear, which is image-free.

Bluerasberry talk

Bluerasberry: Hmmm - not sure about the Saturday evening post ad, the other ad is from an unnamed publication, but that video seems fair game for Wikimedia Commons.

Bluerasberry talk

WhatamIdoing: Duke University is managing that Sugar Bear video. I have an email pending to their librarian about copyright. If it is really clear, I should upload it after managing this correspondence. This should not take more than a week.

Bluerasberry talk

Bluerasberry: I wanted that TV ad on Archive.org but it seems that it is has the default (complete) copyright on it and will not be free for a long time. Duke Library holds the collection but they are not copyright holders. I suppose all these ads could be cited but unfortunately, this video seems copyrighted, the Saturday Evening Post ad is copyrighted, and the "1951 Post Sugar Crisp Cereal Ad" is from an unspecified magazine so I cannot check the copyright. It seems that I can take no further action to get any of these ads on Commons.

WhatamIdoing talk

Bluerasberry: It's possible that the ad could be justified as Fair Use (to talk about marketing/the fact that candy wasn't a dirty word back then), but I think we'd want to get other opinions on it.

I suppose we could figure out how to contact the company to ask them what they copyright status was. In theory, I think that they, rather than the magazine, hold the copyright for the ads (they ran this one in multiple magazines). It depends a little on the advertising contract terms, but the usual thing to do (these days, anyway) is to license your ad to the publication, and hold the copyright yourself.

Bluerasberry talk

WhatamIdoing: I am not prepared to make a fair use argument, and anyway I try not to put much effort into things that cannot be used in other languages.

There is no existing infrastructure for making routine requests to external organizations for their content. I am not prepared to ask either Post Foods or any magazine for this content.

I am not sure of consensus on Commons for old ads. If you or anyone else is serious about pursuing this as an option then I would continue the conversation as we could go forward, but my initial thought is that all easy routes seem closed and that I myself am unwilling to lead an effort to do anything beyond following the easy routes. I think fair use would be the easiest route of remaining options, but I really prefer not to make fair use arguments.

WhatamIdoing talk

Bluerasberry: Now's not the time to make any fair-use claims anyway; it ought to be done within minutes of uploading the image.

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Price of breakfast foods going up?

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Bluerasberry talk

This is for Ottawahitech

I still cannot start a new topic - my + Start a new topic is not clickable.


I would like to post this: Price of breakfast foods going up?

According to http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/breakfast-foods-bacon-coffee-pricier-article-1.1730020 :

The price of lean pork in the futures market is at record levels and is up 52 percent since the start of the year

(bacon?)

and

Coffee futures have surged 57 percent this year

My add topic seems to work.

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Update on Flow trial: what's new, what's next

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Quiddity (WMF) talk

Greetings, WikiProject Breakfast!

Now that you've had a chance to use Flow in your discussion space, we wanted to check in and see how you feel about the current set of features.

Recap of work to date

As a quick recap, in the past 4 weeks, we've updated the visual design and behavior of some of our features per your and other users' feedback:

  • permanent reply and edit buttons instead of hover buttons
  • moderation actions and permalinks moved into a menu instead of appearing on hover
  • darker body text
  • tighter spacing between posts and topics
  • third level of indentation for posts (code currently live on mediawiki.org and set to kick in here later this week)
  • found and fixed many bugs

Check out the screenshots of the first iteration and the second iteration of the visual design/UI of Flow, to see our progress.

What's next

We're still just getting started with the visual design and features of Flow. We're currently working on an overhaul of our frontend code and design, which will make it look better across multiple screens (large and small) and more browsers. You can see the early stages of this work in this prototype: http://area51.yar.gs/wmf/flow1/#, including a new navigational feature to the right of discussions. In addition, we'd like to do the following in the next month or so:

  • add in-board search feature (you can see it in the prototype above)
  • add a feature to summarize and close topics
  • add the "thanks" feature for posts
  • continue improving moderation, history, and watchlist items
Do you still want to help?
  • If you'd like to keep using Flow here, let us know what you'd like us to prioritize next that would make it better for you! We're interested in hearing what new features you'd like to see, as well changes to the existing features and design.

If you'd like to end the trial and return to using a talk page here, just let us know, and we can return your Flow posts to wikitext. Whatever you choose, thanks for trying out the software and helping us improve it!

Diego Moya talk

Now that you ask, pretty pretty please, move the Reply button out of the way from the left side of the screen to the right side; this is top priority for me.

Having (Reply) the button interleaved (Reply) with the (Reply) conversation is (Reply) totally distracting. Interaction elements (Reply) shouldn't get in (Reply) the way of (Reply) the main task (Reply) which is (Reply) reading content .(Reply)

This design is a step in the wrong direction in that regard, but it would be good if the [Reply, Posted X minutes ago, Updated Y minutes ago] bar of controls would be right-aligned instead of left-aligned.

Ottawahitech talk

It was my understanding that one of the goals was to have threads with new comments move to the top - is this in the plans? This is important for those who do not want to participe in stale conversations.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Ottawahitech: Yes. Starting next Monday, they're working on Sort by activity, and the framework for other (future) "topic sorting" options. (Ignore the visual-design mockup and wording in that card, it's quite old now). Then once content-searching has been integrated (ongoing), they'll be able to push forward with more complex types of Filtering and Sorting, such as those suggested at User:Hhhippo/Flow.

Ottawahitech talk

Quiddity (WMF): I wanted to send you a thanks notification, but I guess this is also onl in the plans?

Jorm (WMF) talk

Ottawahitech: Yeah, "thanks" is coming.

Ottawahitech talk

I still cannot start a new topic - my + Start a new topic is not clickable.


I would like to post this: Price of breakfast foods going up?

According to http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/breakfast-foods-bacon-coffee-pricier-article-1.1730020 :

The price of lean pork in the futures market is at record levels and is up 52 percent since the start of the year
(bacon?)

and

Coffee futures have surged 57 percent this year
Sj talk

History: is this page being rewritten from scratch, or merged with the standard history view (and both updated)? The current history-view options don't seem too easy to use: no multiedit diffs, lots of vert whitespace, hard to see how to page through large numbers of diffs. The view displaying a single diff seems nice; I haven't tried it for anything significant.

Bluerasberry talk

Yes I agree the history function is not usable. Lots of things here are problematic but we are using the tools as best we can. FLOW is not anywhere close to being functional but lots of things will be improved as it is developed.

Risker talk

Well, based on the fact that not a single contributor to this page has said "heck, yes, let's keep doing this!" and instead all of the comments have been about what problems users are encountering, I would suggest that the answer to the question "do you still want to help" is "not really". Given that a regular contributor to this page has stated that he is not able to create a new topic, and his new page-relevant topic is now lost in the middle of this thread - it seems clear that the Flow experiment is now interfering with the appropriate function of this page. It's time to pull the plug here, so that the Wikiproject members can actually use this page for its intended purpose.

WhatamIdoing talk

Risker: "Start new topic" is working for me and for Bluerasberry. Perhaps it was just a transient glitch in his browser.

Quiddity: Why is the text in the reply box so much lighter than the text that is posted? I wouldn't mind a dark gray, but this is too light, and they probably ought to match (or at least not contrast so dramatically). Medium gray text makes me feel like this website is only intended for people who have good vision.

Risker talk

WhatamIdoing: It doesn't matter whether it was a "transient glitch" or one that's browser-dependent or anything else: The whole purpose of having these LIVE pages on trial is to identify issues and act on them. Six days later, nobody from the FLOW project has even bothered to inquire of @Ottawahitech: about his problem, whether it recurred for him, what OS/browser he was using, etc. If the Flow folks aren't even going to bother reviewing what is going on here, or responses to the thread that they started, then it tells me that it's time to end the experiment. This page is using Flow for their learning and benefit, not for the good of Wikiproject Breakfast.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Risker: I'd responded to Ottawahitech's "Start new topic" bug at their talkpage , but it's currently unreproducible. (If anyone encounters it, please tell me details!) Regarding the continuation of this page as a trial location: the quiet nature of the project, and the participants willingness to cope with potential bugs whilst giving feedback, is part of the reason their offer to volunteer was so gratefully accepted.

WhatamIdoing: The insufficiently-dark grey text in text-area box will be fixed soon - the frontend dev has been working on a complete overhaul, hence the existing design hasn't had as much attention or as many tweaks as we might have expected. It means the newer design will be here faster, but that we need to endure known small design flaws like this for a few more weeks.

Sj and Bluerasberry: Yup, the History page is getting an overhaul, once the RC/Watchlist/Contribs overhaul is complete - that aspect is taking longer than expected, because they're encountering and fixing some technical debt as they go. It should make future work on it all somewhat easier, but is making current work more complex. The History page should end up looking much like current history pages do - the dev notes are here for the next iteration. They're also moving towards a more revdel-based moderation architecture, so that will also need to be taken into account.

HTH. As always, the more feedback the better. :)

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Yellow boxes not floating and this is a problem

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Bluerasberry talk

The yellow boxes on this page, starting with the one called "About the project", are not floating. This is a problem for my screensize because it means that there is empty space until after the table of contents, at which point the "About the project" section begins.

If these floated then they would automatically resize to match the user's screen. Right now I do not think they look good, but they would like nice if they floated.

I do not know how to fix this but if it is a standing problem for others for a long time, I would propose to change this presentation somehow.

Ottawahitech talk

Bluerasberry: You must get a different view than I do. I only see one yellow box on this page and it is called " Project" not "About the project". I also don't see a table of contents.

Bluerasberry talk
Ottawahitech:
an illustrative screenshot used to discuss a problem

There is a table of contents and the problem banner in this image. Do you not see these things?

Ottawahitech talk

Bluerasberry: The only place where I see 'File:WikiProject Breakfast banner problem.png is in your reply. On a positive note -- I did get a notification about your reply :-)

EBernhardson (WMF) talk

Bluerasberry: It looks like the width of the section headers is the problem, on any screeen < 1200px the 75% width requirement specified in the section header means it wont fit next to the sidebar. I'm not particularly familiar with styling tables, a temporary fix might be to reduce the width 60% or some such.

Bluerasberry talk

EBernhardson (WMF): Very cool yes that is a reasonable solution. Thanks for suggesting that - I also am not familiar with styling tables but it really is not so hard to make these kinds of changes. Your looking first was an encouragement to me, and yes, what you suggested is best.

Bluerasberry talk

I cannot imagine why title headings would not display for you. Obviously they are in the source code for everyone.

Can someone else comment on whether they at least see the title heading and table of contents?

Memetics talk

Bluerasberry: I think the answer to both is still "no", but see this screenshot for my current view (the yellow [brown?] box still just says "Project"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_talk_-_WikiProject_Breakfast_current_view_%282014-03-31%29.jpg

Bluerasberry talk

Memetics: I am talking about the main page for the project, not the talk page as is shown in your screenshot.

Memetics talk

Bluerasberry: Ah; sorry! I was focused on testing the new discussion functionality, so I was looking at the Talk page. Yes: I do see both elements on the main project page. -m

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Added gallery to project page

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Bluerasberry talk

Below the members sign up section I posted a gallery of some pictures from Commons. I used the new gallery functions which just became available a few months ago, so the images are packed and I tagged the pictures with country names to emphasize the international nature of this project. I think this gallery is not intrusive in the place where I put it plus I hope that people enjoy it here and become interested in breakfast.

Ottawahitech talk

Bluerasberry: I was looking for the gallery but cannot see it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Breakfast/Members - is this the right link? All I see there are images that, I believe, User:Northamerica1000 posted last year.

Bluerasberry talk

Ottawahitech: It is not in this section but below it. There are about ten pictures of breakfasts.

The link is the main page associated with this talk page.

Ottawahitech talk

The last line I see on Wikipedia:WikiProject Breakfast/Members, just before the categories is member #44. I don’t see a gallery? On the plus side my notification lead me directly to your post, YEY!

Bluerasberry talk

Ottawahitech: Here is a screenshot of the entire page! Here you can see the table of contents, the whitespace to the left of the table of contents, and the gallery below the signatures.

This link expires in about a month. If need be I can upload a permanent picture.

How are you viewing this page? Is your view really so radically different that so much is excluded? You are doing very strange and personalized things with your settings, right?

Ottawahitech talk

Wow -- looks like I am missing a lot! Thanks for the screenshot. And no I am not doing anything strange, at least not on purpose :-)

Sj talk

Vertical whitespace makes it hard to figure out attribution. The "Sj" above this textarea looks to me like it is attached to the text above, requires a doubletake to realize it's my own sig.

The "..." is hard to understand as a navigation element.

The bottom of the textarea quivers for me on MacOS/Chrome: it's not fixed.

The subtext "By clicking "Reply..." is a fine fontsize, but a) doesn't need the extra word 'irrevocably' and b) could be cleaner if aligned with the left edge of the whitespace above it, not the left edge of the [blue] highlighted margin.

I like the color scheme used for text, margin, and buttons.

Bluerasberry talk

I agree with the ... being non-intuitive and have no comment on the rest. I do not have stylistic expectations for usability except that eventually this go through focus group testing before rolling it out. I think the opinions of complete non-Wikipedians should be influential in the final accepted design.

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is anyone in this project involved in article assessment?

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Ottawahitech talk

In light of the discussion thread Article assessment (which I don't know how to link here), I was wondering if anyone is actively assessing articles in this wiki-project? Thanks,

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