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Articles for deletion 15 Jan 2012 – Common chemicals (talk · edit · hist) AfDed by Lmatt (t · c) was closed as keep by B.wilson (t · c) on 22 Jan 2012; see discussion (7 participants) Proposed deletions 08 Feb 2012 – Formulation science (talk · edit · hist) was PRODed by TenPoundHammer (t · c): Doesn't seem to be notable; one source is a personal site on Google Sites, other is dubious 23 Jan 2012 – List of chemistry mnemonics (talk · edit · hist) PRODed by Cnilep (t · c) was deproded by Cnilep (t · c) on 24 Jan 2012 Featured article candidates 02 Jan 2012 – DNA nanotechnology (talk · edit · hist) FA nominated by Antony-22 (t · c) was not promoted; see discussion Peer reviews 18 Dec 2011 – Periodic table (talk · edit · hist) put up for PR by StringTheory11 (t · c) was closed; see discussion Requested moves 03 Feb 2012 – Oxo Diels Alder reaction (talk · edit · hist) move request by IgniX (t · c) was closed; see discussion 22 Jan 2012 – Cation–pi interaction (talk · edit · hist) move request by Whoop whoop pull up (t · c) was closed; see discussion 16 Jan 2012 – Odor (talk · edit · hist) move request by Vegaswikian (t · c) was closed; see discussion

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New Articles Online, Sorry If We Caused Any Problems

I saw a note from Smokefoot on one of my students pages, and I now feel guilty for not posting here sooner.

I teach a graduate-level course on "organic reactions" and, as part of that course, I help students identify important (to organic chemists) reactions which have no article or only a very short article (generally limited to Stub-class). We spend a few class periods discussing the Wikipedia, audience analysis, peer/self review, and some technical aspects of the Wikipedia (making graphics, mostly). For the writing part, we bring in a professional instructor in scientific writing. The students outline an article, get feedback, write a draft, get peer review, revise, get reviews from me, and finally revise once more. The finished products are moved into the articles. I emphasize etiquette: we strive to choose articles that are not under active development and they are told to note their work-in-progress on the "Talk" page. It is not my intention to "drop" a large bolus of mediocre articles on the community - each article, although not perfect, has actually been reviewed for writing, content, etc. by at least three people before making it out of the sandbox! A list of articles we have contributed to can be found at my user page and if you have any major problems with one of my users, please don't hesitate to contact me.

In the future, some highly motivated graduate students are forming a club in our department to do further work on the Wikipedia. I will be supervising. We hope to work on some of the bigger game - higher impact, longer articles - as a group in addition to smaller edits on our own pet areas.

I think this is also the appropriate venue to thank you all for your collective work to make Wikipedia a better, more reliable source. I have seen it come a long way in chemistry in the past few years. Thank you also for the WikiProject Chemistry documents, especially the style manual! I found them clear and very helpful. We have developed some nice work-flows for making reasonable SVG graphics for chemists, which I'd like to post.

Thanks again for all your hard work. I hope we have helped in a small way and I hope that we will contribute more in the future.Dweix (talk) 04:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping by. I noticed your comments on the Sonogashira coupling; that's a great example of the sort of involvement we hope from instructors engaged in Wikipedia projects. Thanks too for reminding your students of the important copyright issues. I have a suggestion: have the students start working ON the article, rather than making large-scale changes in singular edits. Do encourage them to drop by and say hi here. This way, they can get support from the beginning, and they can benefit from people showing them how to do stuff (e.g. use the <ref> method of citation), followed by their emulation. That way, we reduce any stylistic re-work. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the person editing that article now is not my student. Jcap17 did the major edit and did not have copyright issues or referencing issues (we take care of that in-class). I was looking over her work when I noticed the problems.Dweix (talk) 17:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, do remind them to check out the article and user talk pages from time to time. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I need to figure out how to get an email sent when a new comment is placed on a page, then I could just have them do that.Dweix (talk) 17:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The main thing is to keep the edits interactive: announce intentions, listen to responses, add changes in chunks. My personal preference is to try to teach students about using secondary sources (reviews and books), per WP:SECONDARY. As we say, "any idiot can find journal articles," (they're not really idiots, I know), but the higher level skill lies in finding the overviews. The other problem is that journal picking tends to favor English-language sources, which gives students a parochial impression of the scientific world.--Smokefoot (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

There's a lot to be said for doing stuff in sandbox (even offline) and then adding it. Just one small thing to make it go better. Make an announcment on talk page that some major work is going on in sandbox or offline. Then if no one says anything, really no right to complain about a big revision dropping in (and we all know there are dead articles). We gotta be able to makes stuff like this work...it can't be that hard to onboard people?TCO (talk) 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep up the good work! Having said that I see a lot of information removed after the edits , takes a lot of work to put it back in. Suggestion: why not focus on organic reactions that have developed in the last 10 years! Go for the niche applications V8rik (talk) 18:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Subcategories of Category:phenols

Above (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemistry#Overcategorization_.28again.29) I asked about the overcategorization of phenols. Based on the suggestions I received, I starting consolidating some of the hundreds of subcategories, starting with ones that only had a couple (at most) of articles classified in them. I then starting marking the emptied categories for deletion. However, User:NotWith (who seems to be the same person as the blocked User:Nono64) has simply reverted my changes and started to recreate the deleted categories. Any assistance or guidance from others would be appreciated. ChemNerd (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

For anyone that is interested, Category:Polyphenol stubs has been nominated for deletion by another user. ChemNerd (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

"Organic table information" & "Inorganic table information" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Organic table information & Inorganic table information. Since you had some involvement with the Organic table information Inorganic table information redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 76.65.128.132 (talk) 05:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Energy level

The article Energy level is about the various energy levels of atoms, ions, molecules, and crystals. I have placed the WikiProject Chemistry tag on its Talk page indicating Start Class and High Importance. There were already WikiProjects Physics and Spectroscopy tags on its Talk page, indicating also Start Class and High importance. H Padleckas (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

RM

There's a requested move at Talk:Cation–pi interaction that could probably use the input of some people who have more knowledge than the layman. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 08:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Looking for input on revisions to biomonitoring article

Hi, I have proposed a new section to the Biomonitoring article on that article’s talk page for, but have not received any response as I don’t think that talk page sees a lot of traffic. I'm new to Wikipedia and have a WP:COI with the subject, but I believe my proposed changes to the article help bring it more up to date with evolving science on the subject.

If anyone is interested, I’d really appreciate any feedback or suggested revisions to my proposed material. Thanks. - Unbachar23 (talk) 19:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Raney nickel

The article Raney nickel needs a liitle help to avoide FAR and to remove the citation neded tags. --Stone (talk) 13:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to help it. TCO (talk) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Chemistry will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in chemistry's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 00:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• women's roles in chemistry's history, society and culture? We are still waiting... V8rik (talk) 20:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

So there are no women who have ever contributed historically to chemistry? I'm a bit surprised by that! SarahStierch (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

...and of course there is this ~ It would be awesome to see content expanded on these women, and others! SarahStierch (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I guess he's never heard of Marie Curie. Kaldari (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

you can address me directly, Kaldari (more polite). Yes the curie's are there but how many women are Nobel laureates in Chemistry?. V8rik (talk) 21:00, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Come on, peeps. One team, one fight. Srsly. You gotta try to find things to make things work indirectly sometimes...like judo. This is probably not the target rich environment that Project Horse is, sure, but ya never know...maybe there is some connect if we scratch heads really hard... but if someone finds something useful that helps both parties all for the good, even if going at it for different reasons.

For instance, I'm not into some super affirmative action gender quota thingie...but at the same time, I happen to like one topic that is "female" oriented. [Gymnastics, don't tease me...I'm sensitive!  ;-)] So Sarah wants to find the content that interests women. I just...eh...want to get the particular content expanded. Different ulterior motives, but still a payoff if it works.

An analogy is Sue G. wants a less kldugey interface to entice newbies and low quality editors. I want a less kludgey interface because it will increase the output of the power users! Like working in MS Word is about a bazillion times easier than wiki markup tables and the refs all displayed inline in edit mode. Also, it makes the hurdles lower to bring smart academics and the like who know a heck of a lot about a topic AND how to write prose...but who don't want to become computer coding jocks with the damned wikitables and cite stuff (and find it hard to really look at and edit the text when like 50% of it is markup code. WYSWYG is the norm in office environment for about last 20 years at least.

TCO (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive notions! Frankly, I'm trying to do a few things - and not all women like to edit about women's history :) If we can bring more women and underrepresented groups to Wikipedia by having them edit whatever floats their boats, I'm a happy person. But, we also need more women's history coverage on Wikipedia. It's a win win :) We have some projects signing up already, and I do hope WP:Chemistry will jump on board! SarahStierch (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Best wishes on your quest. Not sure how we can help. Our coverage is mostly of things (chemicals, lab equipment, etc.) and concepts (chemistry). We usually don't write much about contemporary chemists, so those who do get written about tend to be dead, white men. FWIW Thatcher has a degree in chemistry. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 23:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Here is another one: Elena Ceaușescu V8rik (talk) 23:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Women chemists might be a good place to start. Gobonobo ^{T C} 00:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

L'Oréal-UNESCO Awards for Women in Science probably another article of interest. --HappyCamper 15:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A new barnstar

Do you guys like this?

		The Chemistry Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to users who have made significant contributions to the coverage of chemistry on Wikipedia. --Extra 999 (Contact me) 05:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Sweet. --Yikrazuul (talk) 12:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I like it.TCO (talk) 15:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive response, feel free to use it. I 've added it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Materials, you can use it by: --Extra999 (talk) 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

{{subst:The Chemistry Barnstar|Your message here. ~~~~}}

Selected articles and images for Portal:Nanotechnology

The nanotechnology portal had laid abandoned for quite some time, but I'm now setting it up to automatically rotate through a selection of articles and images over the course of a year. I'm looking for some input on which content should be used; if you have any ideas, the discussion is at Portal talk:Nanotechnology/Selected article. Thanks! Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 02:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, I am going to work on this portal now. --Extra999 (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hidden resonance structures?

I came across a compound which has carboxylic acid groups attached to all the para positions in tetraphenylethylene. Do any of the anions have resonance structures which delocalize over the entire molecule? --HappyCamper 15:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)