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Random comments[edit]

The Christianity project banner has been adjusted to include separate parameters for this work group, although the categories haven't yet been created. Looking at the list of categories, though, I'm thinking that we probably have quite a few articles. There often is discussion after creating a new group about creating a portal for it as well. Do we think it would be a good idea to have such a portal, and, if yes, what all would be included in it? John Carter (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

A portal, in time, could indeed be helpful. One problem, the categories under Category:Christian theology are a mess. Some definitely belong, but some are redundant, some are tangentially related, and some are entirely unrelated. There are certainly a fair noumber of articles, but not as many as the page currently shows. We definitely need to have a discussion about the category organization. I'm headed off-line, but maybe later this week.
As to content on the portals - I'd be glad to help - but am also more than willing to follow your lead. Pastordavid (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Category proposal[edit]

Following up the above, here is a proposal for re-working the categories. Comments, suggestions encouraged. Pastordavid (talk) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that with these as the overarching cats, we can organize all the sub-cats and articles currently floating around in Category:Christian theology. It is a mess at the moment, and it will probably take a little while, but I think this might make things a little more intuitive. Pastordavid (talk) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'm going to try to myself continue working on the Category:Syriac Christianity and its subcats right now, but when I finish that I'll start work on this. The one question which comes to mind, which might be a dubious one, is maybe whether it might be better to not have Category:Christian theology by denomination as an immediate subcat, but maybe replace it with something like Category:Christian theology by tradition or something similar, using the traditions as outlined in the diagram Image:ChristianityBranches.svg. John Carter (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. I have adjusted the above accordingly, and made a couple of other minor fixes. Pastordavid (talk) 17:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I have also added Category:Christian ethics (how have been so long without that?) Pastordavid (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I have done a pretty thorough diffusion of Category:Christian theology - down to 107 articles and 23 subcats. I'm a little stuck - it probably needs thinned down a little more, but I think I've been looking at it too long. Anyone want to have a stab?
Also, looking at the cat, I thought it might be good to create a Category:Christian liturgical and sacramental theology, and remove the Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services. This would allow us to sort out the reflection on liturgy, et. al., from the liturgies, et. al., themselves. Thoughts?
It sounds like you just asked about removing a very full "Category on X" (liturgy and worship) and then create a new "Category on the theology of X." Maybe there is some purpose to the new category (just what will go in it I am not sure) but since liturgy and worship are all things we do, talk, and write about much more than we talk or write about the theology of these same things-- it should not be a suprise to you that Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services is 'not a group of miscategorized articles on the theology of the many items named in the article names. It would be quite mistake to remove Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services, and if we did make the new category it would be a subset of the exsisting one. --Carlaude (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I rather favor taking out the catchall liturgy, rites, and worship services category. The extant category is a bit too broadly defined to be very workable or usable. Categories like Category:Liturgy, Category:Christian rites, and Category:Christian worship services would probably be more useful to the individual subprojects whose own traditions can probably be placed more clearly in one or two of the smaller focus categories. John Carter (talk) 13:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes[edit]

Are you planning on having a recent changes link where people can watch for vandalism? --Npnunda (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind I found it. Count me in. --Npnunda (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Help please, I need people who know about Kosuke Koyama (and other Japanese theologians)[edit]

First of all, I am glad to see this group has been created - Wikipedia certainly needed a project group on Christian theology separate to that on Christianity, to focus more specifically on, for example, specific theologians, such as Karl Barth or Paul Tillich. A major aim of this group could be to enlarge the stubs on lesser well-known Christian theologians. For example, I recently created the article on Kosuke Koyama, but would appreciate it if some one who knows more about this Japanese-American theologian could help with additional information. Koyama is surely a theologian notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia (which is why I created the article), but the article currently needs more source citation. Many thanks if any experts on Koyama could extend this. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Lion handbooks - does any one know their publication details?[edit]

Does any one have bibliographical details for Lion handbooks? I first learnt of Koyama when a Religious Studies teacher lent me a Lion book on Christian thinkers in 1985 - this was a long time ago,so I do not remember the precise reference details. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion regarding project organization[edit]

Any comments regarding the structure and function of Christianity related material are welcome at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum#Project organization. Be prepared for some rather lengthy comments, though. There is a lot of material to cover there. John Carter (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Christian theology navigation box[edit]

It looks like we could use a navigation box for the articles on Christian theology. Any takers? John Carter (talk) 00:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts? How about this for starters:

--Secisek (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

1. First, this have a box on the History of Christian theology-- not the same as Christian theology. For example, you should have:
And then add in a few examples of some of them... e.g. Lutheran theology, Reformed theology, Roman Catholic theology.
2. This box is too big. How about a footer box, or at least a smaller version of this sort.--Carlaude (talk) 03:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Assesment[edit]

I tagged all of the articles in the parent category so you have some articles to work with. -- Secisek (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Questions about various overviews of the history of Christian theology[edit]

Hi all,

At the moment, the Christian Theology page has a history section; there is a separate article on the History of Christian theology and another on the History of theology that covers the history of Christian theology as well as Jewish and Islamic theology. Then there's the List of Christian theologians, chronologically arranged.

I'm not convinced this makes sense, but not sure what should be done about it.

  1. I am pretty sure that the history section on Christian Theology should go, and be replaced with a pointer to History of Christian Theology.
  1. I am unsure what could or should be done about the overlap between History of theology and History of Christian Theology. The former does a valuable job of setting developments in Jewish, Christian and Islamic theology alongside one another, and the latter is a bit of a mess in places - but my guess is that History of Christian Theology should be the primary place where its subject matter is explored, and that History of theology should defer to it - providing, where it is describing Christian theology, brief summaries of material on the History of Christian Theology page, with links to the fuller treatment there.
  1. As for the List of Christian theologians, I wonder whether that's better dealt with by having a Category for Christian Theologians, with chronological subcategories. I realise it was meant originally to be a list of notable theologians from each century - but since every theologian included in Wikipedia supposedly has to be notable to have deserved inclusion, and since I can't imagine any stable agreement on who counts as really notable, and since the 20th century and 21st century sections had already become very long lists, it was already moving in the direction of becoming more comprehensive before I (rather unreflectively) expanded the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries recently.

Any thoughts?

--mahigton (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be fine to have both the Christian theologians, in chronological subcategories and the chronological List of Christian theologians. --Carlaude (talk) 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church[edit]

Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church/Mediation on Naming Convention are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such.
Roman Catholic ChurchCatholic Church. Please share your opinions there. --Carlaude talk 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Coordinator elections[edit]

Any parties interested in being one of the coordinators of WikiProject Christianity and its various related projects is encouraged to list themselves as a candidate at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 2. It would be particularly beneficial if we had individuals from as broad a range of areas of the project as possible, to help ensure that we have people knowledgable about the widest range of content possible. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed reorganisation[edit]

The Christian Theology page and the History of Christian theology page are still rather confusing - the latter especially. I propose the following reorganization.

Christian Theology - lists to be stripped out and placed in list pages described below. This page will be left as a fairly short article, with its discussion of the nature of Christian theology, and pointers to the list pages etc.

History of Christian Theology - this needs to be pared right back, and simply provide a chronological framework of links to the discussions on the relevant topic pages. It shouldn't be an alternative venue for the elaboration on topics that have their own pages.

These would be backed up by:

I'm happy to get working on this, if others agree that it is appropriate. --mahigton (talk) 10:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your propsal, up to a point, but there is no reason to make the article short just because the lists are moved. The main article should instead have a moderate size section on each of the main areas of Christian theology, (books on "Christian theology" cover what this page is calling "Systematic theology") namely:
I would also be open to the three list/articles (List of Christian theological topics, of Christian theological movements, and of Christian theological disciplines) being shitfed into one new list/article (or put in template(s) instead or also). I'm also happy to work on the "moderate" sections on these areas. Carlaude:Talk 19:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement[edit]

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Christian theology featured/good content[edit]

should we include in lists of good/featured content articles about Christian theologians (like John Calvin)? I think that there is several featured articles and maybe some good one (I didn't chech good articles).--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 09:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

There are some theologians, thinkers, writers and philosophers important for Christian theology (featured articles):

  1. Augustine of Canterbury
  2. Martin Bucer
  3. John Calvin
  4. Thomas Cranmer
  5. George Fox
  6. Gregory of Nazianzus
  7. John Knox
  8. Pope Pius XII
  9. Huldrych Zwingli
  10. Maximus the Confessor
  11. Søren Kierkegaard
  12. Blaise Pascal
  13. Leonhard Euler

Some articles related to Christin theology:

  1. Religious debates over the Harry Potter series
  2. Catholic doctrine regarding the Ten Commandments

I listed here only featured articles. I will also list good articls in next few days.

Christian theologians stubs[edit]

I suggest to add link to this work group on talk page of this articles: Category:Christian theologian stubs--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Infobox for theologian[edit]

Would someone make infobox for articles about Christian theologians?--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 22:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I have made an infobox for Christian theologians at Template:Infobox theologian. Have fun. şṗøʀĸɕäɾłäů∂ɛ:τᴀʟĸ 18:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope that it will be much more interested writers on Christian theology on Wikipedia :)--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 18:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Huh? şṗøʀĸɕäɾłäů∂ɛ:τᴀʟĸ 20:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Expert help needed[edit]

A few sections in Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences have a seemingly inferior logic that perhaps affects a larger selection of subsections. Those interested who are proficient in theology, philosophy and logic, might give a helping hand by assessing relevant subsections and giving comment at the talk page HERE! Thank you for your attention, and otherwise happy editing! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Theology[edit]

I'm attempting to revitalise this stillborn WikiProject, and any help with assessing core topics + building the WikiProject page would be very desirable. Thanks. Claritas § 11:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Mormonism and Christianity[edit]

Hi

I have just added a comment on the article talk page asking for someone to look at ways to perhaps make the article smaller.

Things such as having two, three and four and even five! refs for one sentence as well as superfluous material all contribute to the oversizing.

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Prosperity and Health and Wealth Gospel articles merge[edit]

It has been proposed to merge Health and Wealth Gospel into Prosperity theology. Please comment and take part in the discussion at Talk:Prosperity theology#Merge article?. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 03:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinion sought regarding Eternal Life[edit]

We are having a 3 way discussion on the issue of Eternal Life in Christianity.

The specific issue at hand is that of eternal life being only "here and now" vs having a component "in the future" as well.

A few informed comments based on suitable sources will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Consolation of Philosophy GAR[edit]

Hi, as a related WikiProject, you might be interested to know that the article Consolation of Philosophy is now up for a Good Article Review. Best, It Is Me Here t / c 11:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed redirection of Christianity subproject talk pages[edit]

I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Gregory of Nazianzus FARC[edit]

I have nominated Gregory of Nazianzus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.--Redtigerxyz Talk 13:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)