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WikiProject Council
WikiProject icon This page relates to the WikiProject Council, a collaborative effort regarding WikiProjects in general. If you would like to participate, please visit the project discussion page.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
What's a WikiProject?
A WikiProject is a group of people who want to work together. It is not a subject area, a collection of pages, or a list of articles tagged by the group.
How many WikiProjects are there?
Nobody knows, because groups of people may start working without creating pages or may stop working without notifying anyone. As of 2014, about 2,200 were participating in article assessments for the Version 1.0 Editorial Team. There is a manually maintained list of WikiProjects at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.
What's the biggest WikiProject?
Nobody knows, because not all participants add their names to a membership list, and membership lists are almost always out of date. You can find out which projects' main pages are being watched by the most users at Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers.
Which WikiProject has tagged the most articles as being within their scope?
WikiProject Biography has tagged about 1.2 million articles, making it more than three times the size of the second largest WikiProject. About ten groups have tagged more than 100,000 articles. You can see a list of projects and the number of articles they have assessed here.
Which WikiProject's pages get changed the most?
See Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProjects by changes. These changes may have been made by anyone, not just by participants in the WikiProject.
Who gets to decide whether a WikiProject is permitted to tag an article?
That is the exclusive right of the participants of the WikiProject. Editors at an article may neither force the group to tag an article nor refuse to permit them to tag an article. See WP:PROJGUIDE#OWN.
I think a couple of WikiProjects should be merged. Is that okay?
You must ask the people who belong to those groups, even if the groups appear to be inactive. It's okay for different groups of people to be working on similar articles. WikiProjects are people, not lists of articles. If you identify and explain clear, practical benefits of a merger to all of the affected groups, they are likely to agree to combining into a larger group. However, if they object, then you may not merge the pages. For less-active groups, you may need to wait a month or more to make sure that no one objects.

Tagging multiple wikiprojects in the same "family"[edit]

I have a dispute with another user who is dual=tagging articles tagged by WikiProject equine with WikiProject Mammals as well. I have always understood that rarely is there a need to double-tag "parent" and "child" wikiprojects. The other user feels differently. See conversation here. If I'm wrong on this, I'll back off, but my understanding is that double-tagging is a colossal waste of time. Please advise. Montanabw(talk) 23:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

It is something that some people feel strongly about on both sides of the issue. But yes generally only the more specific WikiProject really needs to be tagged assuming that the larger scoped ones is really large. WP:SPORTS for example only gets tagged on articles where there aren't more specific sports projects. However, I would never edit war over it. Some "Families" just create a single banner with parameters in them indicating they are also part of the more specific group. -DJSasso (talk) 00:23, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Definitely not worth an edit war although it might be useful to see if the Mammals project banner could incorporate the others. John Carter (talk) 01:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
There are lots and lots of mammal projects, cats, dogs, horses... thousands and thousands of articles (3000 in WPEQ alone). Thanks for your answer. Helpful info Montanabw(talk) 21:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
@Montanabw: I may regret saying this but I have some experience working on project banners. Give me a listing of projects specifically dealing exclusively with mammals and I'll see what I can do. John Carter (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
@John Carter:: Actually, I personally oppose the single banner concept (I don't care for it at WP United States) because I think it complicates project tagging, particularly for people (like me) who are on the short bus when it comes to template syntax (I can do it now, but I've been on wiki 8 years). But is there a way that the WPEQ template could automatically contain an internal link to wikiproject mammals so the cleanup tags for equine articles (or cats, or dogs, or whatever) could appear on their listings as well? I think that was what Plantdrew wants & why he is tagging everything. Montanabw(talk) 18:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
It is 100% up to the members of the project. If WikiProject Mammals wants to have it tagged, then it gets tagged. If they don't, then it doesn't. Whether any other project chooses to tag the page, or even whether any other project exists, is irrelevant. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Article tagging for a fuller explanation. This is also addressed briefly in the /FAQ at the top of this page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually no; there is a place for overall guidelines as to how projects work in general; And, anyway, I have also posted at WP:Mammals, though it seems a rather inactive project at the moment. Montanabw(talk) 20:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Montanabw, what I'm telling you is that there already is an official {{guideline}} that addresses this question, and that official guideline directly says that it's up to each WikiProject to decide what they're going to tag. If you want to double-check that the guideline really does say this, then do please click the link I gave you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Same guideline also says over tagging is disruptive, having every article in WP:Chicago also tagged with WP:Illinois and WP:USA is over tagging, since everything in Chicago would also belong in Illinois and in there is no need for 3 tags, just the most specific one. I have to say I like the idea of coding the lower templates to automatically include all their articles in the higher project thus achieving the same affect of having all 3 tags, without the over tagging on the talk page. -DJSasso (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
True, and it gives you a pretty clear idea of what over-tagging means: "WikiProject banners should not be used to duplicate the category system or portals. If an article is only tangentially related to the scope of another WikiProject, then please do not place that project's banner on the article." The warnings against over-tagging are focused on telling non-members not to tag their favorite articles with every possible banner. This does not override the right of any WikiProject to choose to tag and support an article. Leonardo da Vinci is currently tagged by 15 projects, and there's nothing wrong with that—or with adding a 16th project, if yet another group of editors chooses to support that article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
If the projects all have very different scopes (ie WP:Middle Ages and WP:Italy). However, in the cases where one projects entire scope is encased in another projects scope, then yes it is most definitely an issue and has caused all kinds of problems in the past. -DJSasso (talk) 14:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
It's not an issue once people in "Project A" quit believing that they "own" the articles that they've tagged and thus can force "Project B" to not support the article. There have been a few disputes over the years, but I've yet to see one that didn't involve inappropriate attitudes of ownership. It often works quite well: There is little or nothing in WPPHARM that doesn't also belong WPCHEM, and there are zero resulting disputes. There is little or nothing in WikiProject History of science that isn't within the scope of WPHIST, and there are zero resulting disputes. Everything tagged by WikiProject First aid falls within the scope of a single task force for WPMED, and there are zero resulting disputes. There are dozens of projects whose scope could be entirely subsumed under WikiProject Music, and yet there are zero resulting disputes. Some of these solve it by tagging everything twice, and some of these solve it by tagging everything once, but it is usually solved. The only ongoing problems are from people who think that their project somehow "trumps" the other, or who worry that their small project is being "overwhelmed" by the other.
Tagging is a method for groups of people to keep track of articles that they want to keep track of. It is not a content categorization system, and it should not be abused as a method for telling other people that "your" group of volunteers isn't allowed to track it because it's "mine". To speak bluntly, unless you (or I) are actually one of the volunteers in the project that's tagging the page, then what that group of volunteers tags to create their "collective watchlist" is exactly as much of your business as is the contents of those volunteers' individual watchlists (i.e., "none"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Have asked at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Question. John Carter (talk) 20:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks like they have an answer there? Is this what I think it is - a way to add a hidden parameter to the WPEQ template? Montanabw(talk) 22:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
  • When WP US came about, I questioned if automatically parenting to other projects would be a better solution. Basically what I wanted was the ability for a project, say WP Nevada to be automatically included in WP US without having to include the banner directly on the talk page. So in this discussion if this had been implemented, the template for WP equine could be modified and the projects articles would be included in WP mammal, or if appropriate in multiple parents. Another possible example if it made sense, Wikipedia:WikiProject Native languages of California could be coded to be part of Wikipedia:WikiProject California, Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages. That is not something we can do today without tagging for all 4 projects or creating messy sub projects. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Sounds very logical, can you check the link above that John Carter posted to see if they actually CAN do this? I am a complete syntax/programming/markup not-geek, it's all gibberish to me. Montanabw(talk) 22:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
      • On the surface, it sounds like what I was looking for. Like you, complex templates are not my forte so I can't say for sure. I suspect that the code in question would need to go in the lower level project, like Nevada or equine in the examples above. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

(outdent) - It would be easily possible to add optional "Mammals" parameters to the Cats banner or other banners with the Mammals project appearing in the "drop-down" section if that is what you are asking. Are there specific templates you would want to see it added to? John Carter (talk) 19:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Could you "sandbox" what this would look like for {{WikiProject Equine}} somewhere and post the link here? I personally would like to just have Plantdrew not tag WP Mammals on half the horse articles because that is silly. That said, some of the WPEQ articles are biographies of people who are into equestrian sport, so it's not something they all need. If it looks good, I can post the sandbox link at WPEQ talk and see if anyone else objects. Montanabw(talk) 22:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Give me a few days tomorrow being a hoiday here and I'll get something up. I think it would probably work best as a variation on existing "task force" parameters, so that the assessor can specifically choose to activate it in specific cases, which here would probably predominantly be articles on species, species history, etc. John Carter (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Just noticed this. There seems to be a parallel discussion at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Question, and perhaps duplication of work - possibly people pulling in different directions (WP:MULTI). Of my two suggestions there, I favour my first (modify the more specific banner to have |mammals=yes) --Redrose64 (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Right, it started here and John noted it over there, I think to get the techies looking at it. Either place is fine with me for discussion. Montanabw(talk) 19:52, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
If WikiProject Mammals likes this solution (I would, if I were them), then that's great. If they don't (e.g., if their banner supplies some other feature, or if they disagree with WPEQ's rating system), then you're wasting your time. You cannot force them to use your banner (exactly like WPUS cannot force fifty-odd US-related WikiProjects to use its banner). WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
No one can keep people from doing silly things if they are hell-bent on ridiculous and redundant behavior; but I am trying to attempt a solution that meets the needs of both projects, or more the point, I am bending over backwards so that one individual who seems bent on inserting the mammals project template into what will be thousands upon thousands of mammal articles already tagged by "child" projects in the tree can do so without creating hopeless clutter. Montanabw(talk) 05:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
User:John Carter/Equine and its talk page are set up using the existing model of the Equine banner. If variant importance assessments or additional material were wanted, I could set it up using the Template:WikiProject Christianity model. John Carter (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
{{WPB}} and {{WPBS}} were created to deal with the clutter, if that's your problem. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Naming convention for WikiProject articles[edit]

Hi, there's a discussion regarding the articles in WikiProject Somalia here about whether the categories should be "A-class Somalia articles" or "A-class WikiProject Somalia articles," etc. I'm appreciate any views from here. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Tool server mantiance[edit]

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Help making a template -- Moxy (talk) 22:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

held potx[edit]

need what? help NOW NOW OR CUT YOU means life in life I CAN"T TELL YOU SORRY

Um, is that supposed to be comprehensible? John Carter (talk) 21:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Joining wikiprojects[edit]

How do you join wikiprojects? Do you just add the userbox to your user page, or is it more complicated than that? Also how do I fix the formatting of this text? UserJDalek 23:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

  1. Just show up and start working. You may add a userbox if you want. You may add your name to the list of participants if you want (most WikiProjects have one somewhere; they're usually seriously out of date). The important thing is to read the WikiProject's talk page and work with the other people there to improve articles. Tell them what you're doing, and ask them what they're doing. If it's quiet, then try to WP:REVIVE it.
  2. Don't put any spaces at the start of the line. I've fixed it for you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:05, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
@UserJDalek: The location of the signup sheet varies between WikiProjects, sometimes it's not obvious. For example, the main page of WikiProject Doctor Who begins with a "Welcome!" box; in that you will find the text "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page, sign up on our list of participants, or just start editing." The second link there takes you to a page containing three lists and some instructions. One of those instructions reads "If you're interested in joining the project, please add your name to the list of participants." and the link in that takes you to the actual list. It may be edited: just put your login ID in alphabetical order, observing the existing pattern, like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


What is a wiki pedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

A Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written using wiki software. You might want to ask questions like this at the WP:Reference desk. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Article assessment screening[edit]

Anyone who assesses articles very often knows how often the assessments get out of date, and how tedious it is to re-check them manually.

Nettrom and Aaron Halfaker have analyzed all 9,000+ plus of the WP:MED stubs and found about 750 that they figured had at least a 50% chance of not being a stub. The list has been posted at m:Research:Ideas/Screening WikiProject Medicine articles for quality/Prediction table. The next step is to manually re-screen the pages on the list, to see how accurate their algorithm is. If anyone's interested, please feel free to have a look. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


Template:COTWs (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) has been nominated for deletion; this template interlinks wikiproject collaboration areas -- (talk) 07:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

How to deal with disruption of a project?[edit]

Even before working up infrustructure and deciding on priorities, Wikiproject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force already is having problem with disruption via some individuals. They have wikihounded women to the task force (causing two to quit already, leaving long disgruntled posts), imposing unwanted agendas through constant argumentation, and made repeated accusatory and nasty comments on anything they disagree with. One past and probably future poster already admitted elsewhere he wanted the task force gone.

At this point those actually interested in an effective project have been a bit reluctant to quickly remove/hat/close/archive disruptive comments/threads, though I think that will change. There already has been a warning that Men's Right's community sanctions could be invoked should individuals have a definitive history on men's rights-related articles. Some problems, should they continue, also may be dealt with via the sexology arbitration. But other issues are not yet covered by any general sanctions and aren't always dealt with well at ANI, though that may have to be the next step. (I assume WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard would not deal with them.)

Are there any other steps well-meaning members of the project can take to deal with chronic disruption? Thanks for your help. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry. There really aren't any specific procedures to deal with this. Serious disruption of WikiProjects has historically been rare, although it can be extremely harmful when it happens. You can pursue IBANs and TBANs for individuals, but getting bans approved can be politically challenging. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
TBANs or page bans probably the best request at ANI; always helps to have a specific request!
(Also, for the record, to avoid nitpicking from my "followers", the phrase "(causing two to quit already, etc...)" should have been at the end of the list, not after first example.)
Now, one editor did seem to think we could "appoint" one or two individuals as moderators to do the archiving and now that I think of it this was done for a couple years at a less controversial Wikiproject. So I guess that is a possibility if one has sufficient support from the members who have not been disruptive. But I guess that's something that can be done after current disruptions dealt with. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 19:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Project-level admins and dispute assistance[edit]

I'm just a bit curious. Is it heard of to have admins listing their names in wikiprojects officially as a way of saying that they're "on call" for issues affecting articles in the project? Beyond this, is it heard of for projects to have lists of members who pledge to help with disputes that come up with articles in the project? Thanks for any thoughts. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikiprojects are simply collaborations, what authority they can leverage comes from being a sort of "voting bloc" rather than any sanctioned role in the administration of Wikipedia. There aren't project administrators in a sense other than there being subject-interested editors who also have general admin rights, and there aren't project-specific mediators. That said, if you are trying to find a court of first resort for a content dispute, an affiliated project is often the best choice if the talk page isn't working. --erachima talk 22:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
At larger projects, it's not unusual to see people post requests for minor admin assistance (moves over redirects, semi-protection for vandalism) rather than taking it to the general boards. It's not significantly different from posting a request on an individual admin's talk page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
(replying to both) Thanks for your responses. I'm not suggesting that a wikiproject is anything more than a collaboration. Having started one in 2006, and pretty much administering it most of the time (essentially due to lack of anyone else indicating interest in such), I understand its limits. I was thinking of something rather basic, like admins who are also editors interested in the project's subject area would simply note somehow that they are admins, so people can more easily contact admins who are more interested or familiar with the articles included in the project. These would not be official admins for the project -- they wouldn't be asked to do the project's bidding, but just be "on call" for admin requests related to the project. In the case of the project I work on, I would ask above the list for members to indicate if they are admins or not (e.g., "Please note if you are an admin by bolding your username -- in doing so, you may be contacted for assistance with project-included pages.").
As for project-specific mediators, is there any policy/guideline against having people list themselves as those interested in helping with disputes in project-included pages? I realize that in some cases, editors will go to the project talk page to ask for various kinds of help, and that's fine. But also, in some cases, there's a dispute on the article's talk page, and what they want/need is someone to play neutral and advise the disputants as they work through their dispute. I was just thinking of possibly having members who list themselves as those interested in helping with these matters. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 11:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC) Has the rules creep really gotten THAT bad, that people feel the need to ask if there's a rule against volunteering to be helpful? --erachima talk 11:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it's okay for people to volunteer to help. It would be best if the volunteers remembered that they had zero extra authority and zero official status. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Lack of official status is totally understood. And erachima, yes, there are so many rules now that it's overwhelming and I didn't want to take any steps that would be seen as crossing a line. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

help out[edit]

I'm new but am interested in getting in on one of these projects. Does anyone know of a good place to read? Want to understand what I'm doing before diving in. Thanks!Jordanrolsen (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello. A WikiProject is a group of editors who work together and edit a peticular theme. For example I am a member of Wikiproject videogames and we edit and discuss articles related to videogames. You don't need to apply to join a WikiProject you can just join. If you want to read more about Wikiprojects Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide will probably be worth reading. --BarsofGold (talk) 03:55, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

revive a project[edit]

I try to revive the inactive project WP:ECONOMICS, but I can't because some administrators that have never participated in the project take all sorts of offenses. Don't remove your project banner from my site, don't clean up the project page etc. What can I do so they just leave me alone? Recreate the project under a new name? NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 20:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The key thing is you need to realize that you do not own the project, or the articles, and people all accross the encyclopedia expect certain things of Wikiprojects. The question of project scope, what page belongs there, etc... is typically understood as "articles related to, or with some tangible connection to, the scope" as well as "pages that would be of interest to typical readers of that subject". Scopes tend to be broad, rather than narrow. The question never is "Is this topic economics?" but rather "Is this related to economics in some tangible way?".
For instance, Ernest Rutherford was not a chemist, yet he is tagged with WikiProject Chemistry's banner because a lot of his research dealt with elements, and chemists will have valuable input on this.
Likewise, Warren Buffet may not be an economist proper, but his sphere of influence overlaps with several topics in macroeconomy, market analysis, etc. If Warren Buffet is to become a Featured Article in the future, having the input of someone who knows something about economy will be most beneficial, if not required. That alone warrants the {{WP Economics}} tag. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 00:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I think the key thing is for the handful of admins who also don't own that project, or even pretend to participate in it, to leave it up to the (so far) two people are long-standing participants. The recent discussions have involved >50% people who aren't participants, and deciding things like whether the WikiProject's main page really needs to have a banner at the top that announces what the article for collaboration was in 2008(!) is a pretty much a members-only issue. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Concerning that issue, for sure that's definitely no one else's business. But here NYAE's was also talking about the removal of banners from the talk pages of articles (which affects articles like The Economist, and I'm very much interested in the proper maintenance of articles related to periodicals and other publications, i.e. if a discussion pops up on that article, I want WP Economics to be notified of it via WP:AALERTS or similar). The ownership issue I raised because language like "What can I do so they just leave me alone?" is extremely worrisome, as is the associated attitude. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Do you aspire to become the deputy sheriff? NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Headbomb, I'm sympathetic to your concern, but the fact is that if WikiProject Economics (a group of editors that does not include either you or me, right?) does not want that article to appear in their AALERTS page, then it is their right (NB: not NYAE's right) to remove the banner. It's up to them. What we need is a discussion between the two old participants and the one new one about what the three of them want. I suspect that the two old hands (and any others who might turn up) are fully capable of handling that discussion without half a dozen outsiders like us telling them which articles we think that group should care about. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
As I said elsewhere, I don't care about some banners on some talk pages. The main issue are completely unrelated administrators that don't have anything to do with the project and only obstruct my efforts to make the project more active. For example the long-standing participants replied only because I asked them to support the project on their talk page. If the administrators would at least be constructive, give arguments or help in any freakin way I really wouldn't mind. The only thing they do is revert my edits and threaten me. NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 00:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
With all respect, NYAE, the way you get people involved with a WikiProject is generally not by getting in fights with people over organizational minutia. --erachima talk 01:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree that is why I want them to leave me alone. NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
You're not listening. Take a break, make yourself a cup of tea, play cards with friends, and come back when you're calmer. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
If you want to be left alone, you have no business trying to take a management role in a WikiProject. It is literally the defining trait of WikiProjects that you are trying to solicit the help and opinions of other editors. Not just the ones you agree with either. --erachima talk 01:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm one of those administrators. I didn't threaten to block. I started new sections on the project's talk page discussing the scope of the project and the need for consensus. NotYetAnotherEconomist is calling editors who disagree with him "wikilawyers", saying "Oh wow. Now the third musketeer arrives, being sarcasatic (" I am surprised how much psychological pain a removal of a project banner in the talk page has on some people. I sincerely hope your pain will vanish with time". It's great he wants to help, it's not great that he attacks other editors. Projects are collaborative enterprises and acting this way can obviously damage that collaboration. Dougweller (talk) 06:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Joining a project one day then proceeding to make changes to its structure without any consensus the next is, on a common sense level, disruptive and demonstrating poor etiquette. Also, joining a project for the sake of trying to win an argument about project inclusion is indeed wikilawyering, or what I'd rather called game-playing. Last, the disrespect shown to people with far greater experience is disconcerting. If I were new (and especially new to a project), I would try to figure out the ropes before swinging on them like Tarzan. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 10:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
There were no changes to the structure and I didn't show disrespect to anyone. Also the constant arguments of seniority don't have any value, with your far greater experience you should know better. NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion proposal for indie dance charts (Goa, Progressive, Psy etc)[edit]

There is currently a proposal for the inclusion of the major digital music distributors, in regards to very specific music charts, which are not yet covered by Wikipedia. Input and the discussion can be found here. prokaryotes (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:DISCOGSTYLE dormant[edit]

Hi there, I am member of the Discography WikiProject and while I edit discography projects I always turn to this, however it has became dormant. I beliebe this should not by any means be dormant and should be an active guideline, discographies should be similar so as they are easily recognised from article to article. Can someone help me make this active again and also help me make it more of a guideline or standard for other discography pages? I have no idea how to make it active again and since hardly anyone patrols/watches this page I got no response there. SilentDan (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)