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WikiProject icon This page relates to the WikiProject Council, a collaborative effort regarding WikiProjects in general. If you would like to participate, please visit the project discussion page.
 
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
What's a WikiProject?
A WikiProject is a group of people who want to work together. It is not a subject area, a collection of pages, or a list of articles tagged by the group.
How many WikiProjects are there?
Nobody knows, because groups of people may start working without creating pages or may stop working without notifying anyone. As of 2014, about 2,200 were participating in article assessments for the Version 1.0 Editorial Team. There is a manually maintained list of WikiProjects at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.
What's the biggest WikiProject?
Nobody knows, because not all participants add their names to a membership list, and membership lists are almost always out of date. You can find out which projects' main pages are being watched by the most users at Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers.
Which WikiProject has tagged the most articles as being within their scope?
WikiProject Biography has tagged about 1.2 million articles, making it more than three times the size of the second largest WikiProject. About ten groups have tagged more than 100,000 articles. You can see a list of projects and the number of articles they have assessed here.
Which WikiProject's pages get changed the most?
See Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProjects by changes. These changes may have been made by anyone, not just by participants in the WikiProject.
Who gets to decide whether a WikiProject is permitted to tag an article?
That is the exclusive right of the participants of the WikiProject. Editors at an article may neither force the group to tag an article nor refuse to permit them to tag an article. See WP:PROJGUIDE#OWN.
I think a couple of WikiProjects should be merged. Is that okay?
You must ask the people who belong to those groups, even if the groups appear to be inactive. It's okay for different groups of people to be working on similar articles. WikiProjects are people, not lists of articles. If you identify and explain clear, practical benefits of a merger to all of the affected groups, they are likely to agree to combining into a larger group. However, if they object, then you may not merge the pages. For less-active groups, you may need to wait a month or more to make sure that no one objects.
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Discussion elsewhere that concerns one of the pages for which this is a talk page[edit]

There's a discussion at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Very commendable guideline being virtually ignored which directly concerns one of the pages for which this is a talk page. It also potentially affects every single WikiProject that recognises the |importance= parameter (about 1000, I think), so deserves an audience that is wider than the 107 watchers of a template's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for posting User:Redrose64. I believe this a discussion about the Importance tag which is part of most (all?) wikiproject banners? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:33, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech: It's not about a tag (there is, AFAIK, no importance tag). As I noted above, it concerns the |importance= parameter, which is found on most WikiProject banners, but by no means all (for example, it's not recognised by {{WikiProject Academic Journals}}, {{WikiProject Accessibility}}, {{WikiProject Disambiguation}}, {{WikiProject Elections and Referendums}}, etc.). The discussion that I linked to concerns altering this from "importance" to "priority" in certain circumstances. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thanks for setting me straight, I am always having trouble with wiki-jargon. OK, so importance is a parameter, not a tag, but does anyone here know what is the difference between importance and priority? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:MULTI, please can discussion take place at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Very commendable guideline being virtually ignored, not here? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry user:Redrose64, with all due respect, and I do sincerely mean the word respect: you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. Just my $.02. Ottawahitech (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The subject in question is what you should type when you add a WikiProject banner. Most projects currently type something like this:

{{WikiProject Foo |class=Stub |importance=Mid}}

The question is whether "importance" should be changed to "priority". Then you would type this:

{{WikiProject Foo |class=Stub |priority=Mid}}

WikiProject Biographies has used "priority" because a lot of editors thought it would be really offensive to declare that some humans are unimportant. Most groups use "importance". WikiProject have been free to use whichever they want, but using "priority" usually requires extra work on their part, and most of them don't know how to do it. If you have an opinion on this, then please share your views at the other page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 1[edit]

Hi! Thank you for subscribing to the WikiProject X Newsletter. For our first issue...

Has WikiProject X changed the world yet? No.

We opened up shop last month and announced our existence to the world. Our first phase is the "research" phase, consisting mostly of reading and listening. We set up our landing page and started collecting stories. So far, 28 stories have been shared about WikiProjects, describing a variety of experiences across numerous WikiProjects. A recurring story involves a WikiProject that starts off strong but has trouble continuing to stay active. Most people describe using WikiProjects as a way to get feedback from other editors. Some quotes:

  • "Working on requested articles, utilising the reliable sources section, and having an active WikiProject to ask questions in really helped me learn how to edit Wikipedia and looking back I don't know how long I would have stayed editing without that project." – Sam Walton on WikiProject Video Games
  • "I believe that the main problem of the Wikiprojects is that they are complicated to use. There should be a a much simpler way to check what do do, what needs to be improved etc." – Tetra quark
  • "In the late 2000s, WikiProject Film tried to emulate WP:MILHIST in having coordinators and elections. Unfortunately, this was not sustainable and ultimately fell apart." – Erik

Of course, these are just anecdotes. While they demonstrate what is possible, they do not necessarily explain what is typical. We will be using this information in conjunction with a quantitative analysis of WikiProjects, as documented on Meta. Particularly, we are interested in the measurement of WikiProject activity as it relates to overall editing in that WikiProject's subject area.

We also have 50 people and projects signed up for pilot testing, which is an excellent start! (An important caveat: one person volunteering a WikiProject does not mean the WikiProject as a whole is interested; just that there is at least one person, which is a start.)

While carrying out our research, we are documenting the problems with WikiProjects and our ideas for making WikiProjects better. Some ideas include better integration of existing tools into WikiProjects, recommendations of WikiProjects for people to join, and improved coordination with Articles for Creation. These are just ideas that may or may not make it to the design phase; we will see. We are also working with WikiProject Council to improve the directory of WikiProjects, with the goal of a reliable, self-updating WikiProject directory. Stay tuned! If you have any ideas, you are welcome to leave a note on our talk page.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing!

Harej 17:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Got TEA?[edit]

Sorry there was no template for this introduction. I have been to the teahouse and will park myself there. Would just like to get to know people that are interested in music and entertainment.Lbhiggin (talk) 16:41, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lbhiggin: You must be more specific. What sort of music/entertainment? There are dozens of projects on Wikipedia dealing with music. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Music I am interested in
I am interested in music groups that are touring and come to Lubbock Texas, an music in the High Schools, Colleges and Universities in the major towns and cities of Texas. I use Wikipedia for information on these topics, and would volunteer to help edit them. I will be going to the 10 Years concert and reporting on them for The Record, my ezine column. I have learned a lot here at Wikipedia. I would like to try to maintain a NPOV, as I edit and to put my proposed edits in the talk pages of active and notable articles. I am sorry for my previous posts, especially the BLP about myself. I hope that they were entertaining though. In other words I came in as green as a frog. I have since completed the Wikipedia Adventure Game, and introduced myself in the Wikipedia Teahouse. I still have a lot to learn.Lbhiggin (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Lbhiggin, you might want to look at some of the dozens of groups in the link Ottawa provided, and then see if you can find a group that is active and interesting to you. Or several. Just reading WikiProject talk pages every now and again is a good way to get started on Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Really?[edit]

Taylor Swift has her own WikiProject? Drmies (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

As of last week, apparently. There are no firm rules prohibiting the creation of WikiProject pages 'out of process'. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Article alerts are broken?[edit]

Just wondering if anyone else noticed? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

It appears to be running again. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposal: Disallow transcluded to-do lists[edit]

Discussion[edit]

I propose WikiProject tags are disallowed to transclude to-do lists unrelated to the article. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Georgia (U.S. state)/to do is currently transcluded on around 14000 article talk pages with {{WikiProject Georgia (U.S. state)}}. Some disadvantages of this: Waste of server resources and bandwidth. Users of the mobile version or without Javascript see the full to-do lists on the talk pages and not just a "[show]" link. WhatLinksHere for a page linked in the to-do list gets thousands of irrelevant talk pages. Special:WantedPages (which is updated contrary to MediaWiki:Wantedpages-summary) becomes pretty useless when it mainly shows arbitrary pages on to-do lists. Other stats are probably also polluted. The only advantage of the system seems to be that readers of a tagged talk page can see the to-do list by clicking "show" instead of a link to the list itself. This search finds many WikiProject tags using transclusion. If we disallow it then a single central template change should be able to replace most or all transcluded to-do lists with a link to the list. Each WikiProject can then decide whether to remove/reword the link, redesign their to-do list for better direct viewing, or just leave things as they are. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

It's a very good proposal. The WikiProject banners should be just that - banners - and do not need to transclude information such as to-do lists onto the talk pages of thousands of articles. This is the type of information that should be linked to, not transcluded. — This, that and the other (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I found one a few days ago - {{WikiProject Dance}} - which shows either of two to-do lists (the WikiProject Ballet To-do list or the WikiProject Dance To-do list), depending on whether |Ballet-todolist=yes is set or not. It's not even tied to the parameter |Ballet=yes - they are independent, and can be set yes/no or no/yes. That's probably one to rationalise. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I've done this as a start. But I support the general notion of this proposal, with the caveat that if a WikiProject really wants to do this then we shouldn't stand in their way. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:30, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
And I've documented that change. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
This sounds like a no-brainer, but the ease of getting it done seems to be somewhere between herding cats and nailing jello to a tree. Does anyone have a proposed plan for making this happen? --Guy Macon (talk) 01:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I have only previewed it with 2 of the 128 cases but the quick solution would be replacing the contents of Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/todolist with something like <tr><td></td><td colspan="2">'''[[{{{TODO_LINK}}}|{{{TODO_TITLE|To-do list}}}]]'''</td></tr><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>. But when it's no longer a collapsible table, maybe the link should be placed elsewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Waste of server resources and bandwidth: Don't worry about performance.
Users of the mobile version: Users who are browsing talk pages on mobile (heck, any pages) probably understand the implications that may have on their data plans or speed of loading.
Javascript: Similarly.
WhatLinksHere for a page linked in the to-do list gets thousands of irrelevant talk pages.: I'm not convinced that this is an issue. Users using WhatLinksHere understand the implications.
Special:WantedPages (which is updated contrary to MediaWiki:Wantedpages-summary) becomes pretty useless when it mainly shows arbitrary pages on to-do lists: Special:WantedPages is and has largely always been useless....
I don't see a convincing case here to remove functionality for a group of users who seem to desire it. Mind you, I don't see the point in to do lists in WikiProject templates because I do feel like it's attempting to reach the wrong audience, but that's not my call (nor do I feel perturbed enough with the issue and am unlikely to perturb one way or the other in the future). Regardless, I would expect removal of this functionality would be found to have consensus by a large group of at the minimum the affected projects before implementation. --Izno (talk) 03:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I posted notifications to several pages including Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) and Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines. Are you suggesting to notify each of the 128 affected WikiProjects about the discussion? Or we could make Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/todolist produce a link to the discussion in its one million transclusions. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
That is precisely my suggestion. I would suggest WP:CENT and adding a WP:RFC tag as well. --Izno (talk) 21:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support – To-do list entries in WikiProject banners should link to the project's to-do list, not transclude it, for all the reasons nominated. They are a drag, even on non-mobile devices. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Not only are hundreds of extra links in the WhatLinksHere a major pain to deal with when moving a page, but they make it impossible for automated analysis tools to measure the true link popularity of a page. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support To me the entire idea of Wikiproject banners has probably outlived its usefulness. The only somewhat useful thing they do that a simple category tag couldn't do is the article rating system, which is itself poorly maintained, and inconsistently applied (except for FA/GA which have real standards). At some point in the future it might be good to have a conversation regarding breaking assessment out into its own template (with global, more objective, possibly even bot-assigned standards, not WikiProject dictated standards) and changing Wikiproject banners into category tags. Gigs (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    WikiProject banners don't just indicate class and importance. They give other information too, and are good for finding a discussion page where you can post a notice with a wider audience. It's not just FA and GA that have real standards - see WP:ACLASS and WP:BCLASS. But most of the criteria for any given class are subjective, so I don't see how a bot can judge that, for example, "the article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies", which is B class criterion 2. WikiProjects dictate importance ratings, but they do not dictate standards for classification. Most WikiProject banners have a link to a classification guidance page: consider my three examples that I gave at WT:GAN#Suggested minor final step in review process - Trains has quality scale; Yorkshire has quality scale; Architecture has quality scale - if you follow these, you'll see that the "WikiProject article quality grading scheme" that each one uses is identical. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    The classification scheme is fairly standardized. Importance is something the WikiProjects get to assign themselves. I'm puzzled why you would think otherwise on this point. --Izno (talk) 21:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    • I clicked random article 5 times. I'd say the worst assessment example is Jitendra_Prasada, stub class. This is clearly not a stub. I'd say the primary bias is to underrate articles. If one looks at the actual criteria, a C class article is supposed to be one that needs major cleanup and might only cite a couple sources. Another one of the 5 random articles was Martin_Scorsese_(song) listed as stub as well. For such a narrow topic, this is a somewhat complete article.
      Coming at this from another angle, I took a look at a C class article by navigating through the top level category. Horse_teeth. Is this an article that contains a bunch of irrelevant information and needs major cleanup? Sure, we may have "standardized" criteria, but they aren't being applied in a useful way. Gigs (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support I do not think that these lists are a useful way to recruit editors to engage in the tasks on the list or to draw attention to projects. I do not know of any WikiProject which has a community which regularly maintains its to-do list, and I think that perhaps all to-do lists are either stagnant or at best maintained by a single person. Removing this non-functional process would improve the banner by not presenting a disappointing feature to users. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    I can think of at least one which does maintain its to do list (amusingly not in the list above—I'm not sure why): WP:VG ({{WikiProject Video games}}). --Izno (talk) 21:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    Izno I am not seeing exactly how in the code they are generating their to-do list. It looks completely different from other to-do lists I have seen, so may rely on other code, and be excluded from anything that happens as a result of this discussion. That could explain why it is not on this list. Could someone else look at this? Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
    Yes, I looked into it myself after making the above comment. They're basically not using the to_do hook as per the meta template; instead they are inserting a template into the "bottom miscellaneous" hook of the meta template, which was already developed separately from a /todo page (which I bet is still lying around). --Izno (talk) 22:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Comment I don't have an opinion, just wanted to say that I hope the projects affected received a notice of this discussion. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Dead Links[edit]

Hey guys, the toolserver.org links are dead/not working at the moment. Three of the last in a list of a bunch of links aren't working:

 "List of WikiProjects
 List of uncategorized WikiProjects
 WikiProjects by number of articles (dynamically)"

I didn't want to delete them because maybe the links have just been moved. Skiingxmoose (talk) 01:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The Toolserver is gone, replaced by Tool Labs. I am not sure where the tools have been migrated; not all of them were. Harej (talk) 05:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
@Skiingxmoose: There are plenty of threads on this matter in the archives of WP:VPT, going back nearly three years. Toolserver went down permanently in June 2014, and the tool owners had plenty of warning that it was going to happen. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
So can I get rid of the links to toolserver.org that are listed on this page? Skiingxmoose (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
You should first ask the tool operator. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Offtopic comment Wikipedia has/had a lot of useful tools. The ones that still exist are poorly maintained imo. On good days they work, on bad days they don't. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
If there are any specific requests for tools, please let me know. Harej (talk) 19:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@Harej: Is there a page at wp:WikiProject X to discuss project tools? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
@Harej: Is there still a wikiproject watchlist tool (a public watchlist for a wikiproject)? The old one appears to be dead. Second Quantization (talk) 12:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@Ottawahitech:, a public watchlist tool is definitely a priority. Any specific requests regarding it could be made on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject X, in the absence of a more specific page. Harej (talk) 19:14, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
You might look up Jon Katz, the newest WMF product manager for Mobile, who is doing something with lists (for Mobile Web specifically). The "Gather" experimental work might someday expand into a public watchlist. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Trivia: Most popular wikiproject[edit]

Which wp:wikiproject is the most popular on wikipedia? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Define "popular" - the most viewed; the most members; the most pages tagged - or something else? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
A few reports exist that show different measures of popularity for WikiProjects - see Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProjects by changes and Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers. Both are a bit outdated and I cannot vouch for their methodologies, but it's a start. TB (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Topbanana those are good tools: the first for nursery-wikiprojects that are built around improving articles in a subject area, the second would also apply to other types of wikiprojects (we need a term for those). Ottawahitech (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Good question Redrose64. How can we measure the popularity of wikiprojects. Is it by viewers (of what?), the number of members (are they active (how do you measure activity?)), the project-related pages tagged/assessed/actively assessed? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
If it's the number of pages tagged, I would say that {{WikiProject Biography}}, with over one-and-a-quarter million transclusions is way out in front. One of the most active is {{WikiProject Military history}}, with "only" 173085 pages tagged. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2015[edit]

Please delete the "A" from the beginning of the following sentence: "A WikiProject's pages are not used for writing encyclopedia articles directly," because it is not grammatically correct, as the rest of the sentence is written in plural. Carly321 (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - seems correct to me - let us rephrase the possessive, to remove the pseudo-plural:-
"The pages of a WikiProject are not used for writing encyclopedia articles directly"
"pages" and "are" - both plural, "a" and "WikiProject" - both singular. - Arjayay (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I was initially confused as the phrase does not appear on the associated project page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Council but actually appears on Wikipedia:WikiProject, however Wikipedia talk:WikiProject is a redirect to this page. - Arjayay (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 2[edit]

For this month's issue...

Making sense of a lot of data.

Work on our prototype will begin imminently. In the meantime, we have to understand what exactly we're working with. To this end, we generated a list of 71 WikiProjects, based on those brought up on our Stories page and those who had signed up for pilot testing. For those projects where people told stories, we coded statements within those stories to figure out what trends there were in these stories. This approach allowed us to figure out what Wikipedians thought of WikiProjects in a very organic way, with very little by way of a structure. (Compare this to a structured interview, where specific questions are asked and answered.) This analysis was done on 29 stories. Codes were generally classified as "benefits" (positive contributions made by a WikiProject to the editing experience) and "obstacles" (issues posed by WikiProjects, broadly speaking). Codes were generated as I went along, ensuring that codes were as close to the original data as possible. Duplicate appearances of a code for a given WikiProject were removed.

We found 52 "benefit" statements encoded and 34 "obstacle" statements. The most common benefit statement referring to the project's active discussion and participation, followed by statements referring to a project's capacity to guide editor activity, while the most common obstacles made reference to low participation and significant burdens on the part of the project maintainers and leaders. This gives us a sense of WikiProjects' big strength: they bring people together, and can be frustrating to editors when they fail to do so. Meanwhile, it is indeed very difficult to bring editors together on a common interest; in the absence of a highly motivated core of organizers, the technical infrastructure simply isn't there.

We wanted to pair this qualitative study with quantitative analysis of a WikiProject and its "universe" of pages, discussions, templates, and categories. To this end I wrote a script called ProjAnalysis which will, for a given WikiProject page (e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek) and WikiProject talk-page tag (e.g. Template:WikiProject Star Trek), will give you a list of usernames of people who edited within the WikiProject's space (the project page itself, its talk page, and subpages), and within the WikiProject's scope (the pages tagged by that WikiProject, excluding the WikiProject space pages). The output is an exhaustive list of usernames. We ran the script to analyze our test batch of WikiProjects for edits between March 1, 2014 and February 28, 2015, and we subjected them to further analysis to only include those who made 10+ edits to pages in the projects' scope, those who made 4+ edits to the projects' space, and those who made 10+ edits to pages in scope but not 4+ edits to pages in the projects' space. This latter metric gives us an idea of who is active in a certain subject area of Wikipedia, yet who isn't actively engaging on the WikiProject's pages. This information will help us prioritize WikiProjects for pilot testing, and the ProjAnalysis script in general may have future life as an application that can be used by Wikipedians to learn about who is in their community.

Complementing the above two studies are a design analysis, which summarizes the structure of the different WikiProject spaces in our test batch, and the comprehensive census of bots and tools used to maintain WikiProjects, which will be finished soon. With all of this information, we will have a game plan in place! We hope to begin working with specific WikiProjects soon.

As a couple of asides...

  • Database Reports has existed for several years on Wikipedia to the satisfaction of many, but many of the reports stopped running when the Toolserver was shut off in 2014. However, there is good news: the weekly New WikiProjects and WikiProjects by Changes reports are back, with potential future reports in the future.
  • WikiProject X has an outpost on Wikidata! Check it out. It's not widely publicized, but we are interested in using Wikidata as a potential repository for metadata about WikiProjects, especially for WikiProjects that exist on multiple Wikimedia projects and language editions.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing! If you have any questions or comments, please share them with us.

Harej (talk) 01:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Where to add WikiProject Motorcycling?[edit]

I'd like to add WikiProject Motorcycling to the directory, without breaking hierarchy conventions. I see rail transport listed out on its own, but it has subprojects to list (Motorcycling does not). Advice? — Brianhe (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Project Active Assessment Peer review Collaboration Portal Notes
Motorcycling yes yes yes yes Project founded 2006; 134 enrolled members; featured in Cycle World [1]
Motorcycle racing yes yes Motorcycle racing Project founded late 2008; 45 enrolled members
I notice that they are already in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/History and society#Transportation and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports#Motorsport. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:54, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I missed that. I guess I am confused to find rail transport in two places. — Brianhe (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Sometimes it's just a mistake, but there's no rule against it. I would expect a cross-disciplinary project (like History of Science) to be listed in both areas ("History" and "Science"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Possible bot generation of missing articles lists?[edit]

Just wondering whether any projects around here might find it useful to have a bot generated list of articles related to the project which don't yet exist. It might be possible to create such lists based on a few pages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Encyclopedic articles and just having the blue links as they are created removed from the list. I do think having such lists available for some of the projects might be one of the easier ways to get some editors involved in the projects. John Carter (talk) 20:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

If specific projects figure out how to auto-generate missing articles, more power to them. But how would we make this functionality available to WikiProjects in general? Harej (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
For the projects which have the encyclopedic articles lists, use that list as a basis. For others, it might be more difficult, although I am more than willing to work on developing such lists for any project at request, with the understanding that sometimes they take a freaking long time to get together. Alternately, individuals involved in those projects could create what similar lists based on what they believe or think need to be covered. So, for instance, a project on The Beatles might generate a list of the songs and albums and other works related to the topic. A lot of media-related projects won't have separate reference guides, like that one, but with any luck someone involved in the creation of the project has some idea as to what the most essential and primary topics relating to it are, and could at least generate an early list on that basis. Maybe. John Carter (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)