Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs/Dog breeds task force

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Northern Inuit

I think the Northern Inuit dog page may need a bit of help. the disscusion page is getting a bit political and the article itself is looking a bit of a mess. Any help would be appreciated--Exhaustfumes (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I worked on it a bit. Still needs help, though--in particular, with good sources. Which, unfortunately, I'm thinking are going to be hard to find...Bryndel (talk) 09:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Argentine Dogo

Hello, it would be great if someone from this project takes a look at Argentine Dogo. Several IPs have been adding external links which in my opinion look like spam rather than useful links. As I'm no expert on dog websites, could someone with more knowledge check the page and delete all unnecessary websites? I'll keep an eye on the article thereafter to prevent links from being readded. BTW, I asked the same thing at Wikiproject Dogs. Greetings

Capitalisation of breed names

Please see/join the discussion at the Manual of Style. Phaunt (talk) 10:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I found this - Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive (capitalization) - but no discussion of capitalisation of dog breed names. Was there some consensus?--Hafwyn (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

In the article about Pit Bull, User:The Blade of the Northern Lights changed the capitalization of dog breeds to lower case (twice after I reverted once). However, dog breeds are capitalized (first letter of each word) everywhere else in Wikipedia. Please give your input here and/or at Talk:Pit Bull#Capitalization of dog breed.  Andreas  ^(T) 13:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't find any WP policy on this, but as far as I can see formal breed names of all domesticated animals are nearly always capitalised here and elsewhere (and I speak as someone usually on the lower-case-initials side of these arguments). Conversely types of dog (or other domestic animals) are not generally capitalised (retriever, terrier, sighthound, northern European short-tailed sheep, dairy cattle etc). The article states that "pit bull" is "a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog...". That sounds like a type and so I would not capitalise it; however the other names mentioned in the article are formal breed names and those ought to be capitalised.

See also my and The Blade of the Northern Lights's comments at Talk:Cardigan Welsh Corgi#Decapitalization, and the discussion mentioned above by Phaunt, now archived at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 94#Capitalisation of dog breed names. Richard New Forest (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

User:The Blade of the Northern Lights has decapitalized breednames in several of aricles, but did not tuch the article titles themselves. Given the endless discussions about this issue something more decisive will have to be done to build a consensus here. The same arguments have been put forward for other animal-related topics, in particular birds. In my opinion, a guideline is needed and an organized mechanism for achieving a consensus on the guideline.  Andreas  ^(T) 00:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Pit Bull and tomberto.

At various times people have added a reference to tomberto to the pit bull article. This word only shows up 302 times on Google, the results including many copies of Wikipedia and stuff in Spanish I don't understand. Is there such a thing as a Tomberto or are we being vandalised?--Peter cohen (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Westminster WikiNews

Hi! I'm not a member of this project, and in fact don't even own a dog. But I am interested (and quite involved) in the whole wiki concept. So I was wondering if anyone from this project might be interested in reporting on WikiNews about the Westminster Dog Show, which is coming up in a couple weeks. If you are, head on over to the article prep page I started, leave a note on the talk page, and let's see what happens! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Coolie/Koolie

Koolie and German Coolie appear to be about the same breed of dog - and they appear to be primarily a POV fork based on some breeders holding higher/different standards. I don't know anything about the dogs, but I was confused trying to do some research. I left a note at WP:DOGS but there's been no reply; can someone take a look at that, please? Kuronue | Talk 04:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Confusion's just one result of the combination of human behaviour and the near-infinite variability of the dog. Anyone can create a dog breed, and find a registry that will take their money to register it -- or just start their own registry on the internet. It's like words in English -- you just say it, and it's a word. There's no governing body to say what words you can and cannot make up. Similarly, anyone can create a breed of dogs just by calling it one, inbreeding it, and creating their own registry. Internet forums are full of people wanting to start their own pet-registry business, so they can charge for certificates to enhance the value of puppy-mill dogs, or register their own invented breeds. Everyone loves to have their own "special" club to control.

In addition, creating a breed out of another breed means the breed creator doesn't have to follow the rules laid down by the original club (see the Biewer Terrier for a good example; when the kennel club wouldn't register his pretty mismarked dogs in the 1980s, the breeder just found to a registry that would, and named the "new breed" after himself. Today it IS a breed, with clubs in several countries.) When a new breed "breeds true" (reproduces with consistent appearance and behaviour) and has been reliably documented for a number of generations, then it's a breed, by definition.

The Koolie/Coolie page seems to be better written than the German Coolie page, but that does not make it more authoritative. You could research the registries mentioned and note which ones seem to be reputable (non-profit, widely used, member of governing body, etc.)

If the breed seems to be bred, registered and promoted by one person, that should probably be noted. --Hafwyn (talk) 14:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Something you should all see

Hi dog lovers. Tonight I watched a very interesting TV programme - [dogs exposed]. It is currently available on the BBC iplayer. Essentially the programme details the way in which selective breeding in dogs, and especially the kennel club, have created vast numbers of severely inbred dogs who are mentally retarded and physically disabled, and who live pain-filled and often short lives. I confess I know nothing about dogs, and presume these issues have been discussed somewhat on pages within WikiProject Dogs. However this really is a very good, eye opening programme, and I would encourage all of you to watch it, and more importantly add information from it to any relevant articles. Cheers, Willy turner (talk) 21:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

And then after that, please look at Implications of the Kennel Club decision on the Pekingese: Pedigree Dogs Exposed for a deeper look at the situation, including factual descriptions and the way the material was manipulated for a sensational TV show. To comply with WP:NPOV, also "more importantly add information from it to any relevant articles".--Hafwyn (talk) 16:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

But definitely not that site, it's a personal website (actually a blog) and can't be used. Doug Weller (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Policy on external links

Can people please take a look at this discussion [1] about external links on dog breed pages? I agree with the suggestion that there should be clear guidelines from the project as to what external links are appropriate and what links should not be included. Doug Weller (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Also discussed in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs; the solution may be use Template:Dmoz for groups of links. Why it is called "DMOZ" is not clear and how to use it is even less clear. I have no idea what the template does. Long lists of links must be submitted one at a time, and then wait to be reviewed (?) There does not appear to be a need for any "dog" editors. The whole thing is labyrinthine and exhausting. Any other ideas?--Hafwyn (talk) 22:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

External Links

Are kennel websites allowed in the external links for dog breed pages?.. or what about links to breeder directories?.. i had removed some links from some of the dog breed pages because i didn't think it was appropriate to have links to breeders websites..Is there a rule against this? i don't want to be removing them if it is allowed. Thanks --Ltshears (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Breeders' web sites are generally not appropriate links, no. In general, the only external links that should appear on dog breed pages are:

• Official documents defining the breed standard (in the infobox, ideally)
• Web pages which describe the breed, but only when no official standard is available.
• Prominent groups associated with the breed, such as breed-specific rescues (not individual breeders)

Web sites such as dogbreedinfo.com should generally be avoided, as they're often substantially inaccurate and may contain POV assessments of the breed, which shouldn't make their way into our articles. Zetawoof_(ζ) 20:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

So should the breeders section be removed from this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entlebucher_Mountain_Dog

Thanks you.. --Ltshears (talk) 17:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Done.

Define and remove excess links

This would only apply to the External links section:

• Remove from the External links section of breed articles all links to clubs (except perhaps for the original breed club in long established breeds for historical reasons.) New breeds that are still fighting about who is in charge put it all on DMOZ.

• No kennel links, that's advertising. Breed specific rescue groups, grooming tips links, and other information should also go on the DMOZ page.

• Other information that wouldn't be on the DMOZ page but would be of interest to readers of the article could be included in the External links -- an example might be a page on the genetics of an unusual coat colour or a link to historical photographs or information about the geography of the breed's original territory. Just not clubs and kennels.

• This would not stop anyone from using a good page as an in-line reference for information in the body of the article.

--Hafwyn (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and the person wanting the link will have to figure out how to add it to DMOZ; that shouldn't be the job of the editor who removes the excess links.--Hafwyn (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Outdated requested photos

Hi guys! I originally went over to Category:Wikipedia requested breed photographs in order to help find some images for articles. I actually ended up spending some time removing defunct {{reqbreedphoto}}, some of which were placed over two years ago and had since had the requested images added. It's a crappy job, and i'm going to bed for the night, but i thought i would mention this to you in case there's anyone out there who likes this kind of tdious work. Enjoy! -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 07:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Shih Tzu

The Shih Tzu article is in dire need of assistance at the moment. 5-6 different formats throughout, impromptu lists of facts, unsourced health information... I'm doing my best to keep it from getting worse (as I stated on the discussion page, too many fanciers, not enough experts), I simply don't have the time to take the article down and rewrite it (which is really what it needs). --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 14:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Article has been reorganised for ease of future editing, and now does need help from some serious fanciers, especially with the incomprehensible section contrasting the two kennel club variants. --Hafwyn (talk) 17:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Crosses

There is a new template, Template:Infobox Dog crossbreed, for use with articles about named crossbreeds (that are not breeds). Selections are basic -- the name, the photo, the breeds from which it came, and any other names. It is now on the Jug (dog) article (the article itself article is unsourced and most likely just someone's pet, and probably should be deleted, but it is an example.) Not intended for use with unrecognised breeds that are obviously becoming breeds, but rather for named deliberate crosses that have articles on Wikipedia.--Hafwyn (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

{{Infobox Dog crossbreed 
|name     = 
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Bandog

With above distinct crossbreed info in mind, could someone take a look at [this page] and help clean it up? The "modern breed" section in particular is looking pretty confusingly hopeless. There seem to be two distinct "breeds" being muddled together in this article: one's the more generic original medieval dog type (guardian mastiffs of any sort as bandogges), and the other is examples of a mishmashed number of modern crossbreeds and mixes someone's apparently calling bandogs after the much older type. (The picture's caption, if you click on it, looks like a badly written ad--seems very inappropriate.) My impression is that it's in need of serious rewriting, and maybe even two separate pages, in order to clarify? What do you think? I'm not certain if this should be a subcategory to this or what; I'm still a Wikinewbie so please tell me and forgive me if this is in the wrong spot. Bryndel (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Maltese (dog)

When some of you get a chance, could you drop by the Maltese talk page and add some input? There is a months-long edit war going on over the heritage/history of the dog (with nationalistic overtones) that has completely ruined any attempt at moving this article forward. I'm at the point where I wonder "how much is too much" with respect to the history of the dog. I'm of the opinion that not every minute detail needs to be added, especially since there isn't much substance to the rest of the article. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Project Help needed

Hello my first Article and I have so far had some Help with members From Wiki. In New Zealand there is a Breed of canine called the New Zealand Miniature Fox terrier. It Has been in NZ for a very long period of time. Where can I find people That can help me with this Project. There is also a dog called the Miniature Fox Terrier In australia also called a Mini foxie. This breed is totally differant to the NZ breed. Their is currently a group in New Zealand support the NZ Miniature Fox Terrier and tring to trace history that as in photos etc. Even Tho NZ knows the dog has been around for a long time no one has done proper history on the breed Untill the Group formed and decided to support this canine. Any help would be great. The NZKC are also in support of this breed and feel the group needs to set up an offical society which they are now heading in that Direction regards NZMinifoxys 20:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sheep dog

I wonder if anyone here would like to have a look at Talk:Sheep dog#Content of article? I attempted to start a discussion there about turning the article (then a short intro and a list) into a dab, on the basis that "sheepdog" covers two very different types: herding dogs and livestock guardian dogs. I think those other articles already cover all the sheepdog breeds more appropriately – effectively making Sheep dog a duplicate article as well as being one article about two different things. I got no response to the proposal, so after a couple of months I implemented it – and the dab was then returned to an article by someone who'd not noticed the discussion (this change restored the intro but omitted the list of breeds). There have been few contributions to the discussion since, and it would be good to have other opinions. Richard New Forest (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Recommended article structure

Just wanted to add a note about the current Recommended article structure listed on the article page here. Specifically the part suggesting an article should have a miscellaneous section. This has come up quite a bit but certainly having such a section is going to be flagged up at GA and FA reviews as lists of miscellaneous details are really not meant to be in an article. I've seen more than one such section tagged with

. Miyagawa (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you. Okip 02:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Mountain dog

I created a new article, which is in form largely a disambiguation page. Please take a look and contribute. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

Revamp

I'd like to propose revamping this task force. "Yays" and "Nays" are always welcome and if you would like to be a part of the revamping process, please say so! cReep (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"Revamping"?The Dogfather (talk) 13:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Revamp... Restore, renovate, revise, etc... Basically, reconstruct the page. On WP:Dogs we have been talking about breed article structures. I'd like to collaborate with other editors who are interested in getting this task force up and running again. Then we can reach agreements on article structures and content... Because it's never good if one editor goes in and changes everything without the agreement of others! cReep (talk) 08:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea -- not much activity around here. — anndelion (talk) 07:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

A real English Springer Spaniel?

I wonder whether any connoisseur in the English Springer Spaniel would be so kind as to take a glance here. Many thanks. --Jeanambr (talk) 20:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Georgian Shepherd Dog

Would someone from this project please take a look at Georgian Shepherd Dog. It's been heavily edited by a new user and doen't conform with Wikipedia's style and tone.--GrapedApe (talk) 13:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)