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Template Coding[edit]

If there's someone better than me at coding, which I highly suspect there is, I'd like to get assessment criteria included in our template. The code can be copied and modified as necessary from the WikiProject France template; I'm just not sure exactly what parts to use and don't want to mess up the template we already have. matt91486 17:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, this is actually a more urgent problem than I thought. All of the article's I have tagged only have their talk pages appear in the Wikiproject category. How can I make the parent articles appear? I'll hold off on tagging more articles until we can get this code problem resolved. I wish I were better at it!

Well, maybe this is a general problem; I glanced at WikiProject Spain and it's the same situation for them. It's possible we don't have a better solution yet? matt91486 17:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What has happened with the template? I have asked for some assistence with the template, hopefully i get an answer shortly Crested Penguin 00:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month[edit]

Do we want to do a collaboration of the month? I would propose that our first collaboration be European microstates, the parent article; it needs some work and I think it would be good to increase the quality of the article. Any thoughts from anyone? matt91486 17:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sounds good matt Crested Penguin 22:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to now (or very soon) start up the Maltese wikiproject - it would be a great help if you two, or even just one of you (matt and crested penguin) could add your name. Obviously, it will be a descendant wikiproject. Anonymous Dissident Utter 22:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

European Microstates discussion from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals[edit]

Description The European Microstates largely fall outside the bounds of existing WikiProjects. This WikiProject would be designed to increase the quantity and quality of articles about Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City. Coverage could also be used on the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and other ambiguous sovereignty situations. Small countries need some more support. The scope of these countries is so small that it could be difficult to get large scale projects for each to maintain necessary activity, but there are similar issues for these countries and coordination between Wikipedians would be helpful.

Project page Wikipedia:WikiProject European Microstates

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)

  1. Matt91486 (talk · contribs) - My Talk me with any questions or interest, I'd love to get this going.
  2. John Carter 15:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  3. Crested Penguin 00:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Membership Userbox[edit]

Flag of European Microstates.svg

If anyone better with coding than me wants to put one together, it could be nice to have - I don't know what would be a good image to use for it, though matt91486 01:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

We could use the map or the image in the righ, or we could make two userboxes ;)-- Cradel 17:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Human Rights[edit]

The Microstates don't have their own specific articles in human rights yet, as is the convention. If any of you have an interest in that subject, here's a link to the general Europe page; the template at the bottom links to the nation-specific articles. Human rights in Europe. Just wanted to pass that along to see if its anyone's cup of tea. matt91486 01:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

map of microstates[edit]

for future use


i think this map will help alot.

Teh Ferret 22:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I made this other map, more specific and svg -- Cradel

Map of European Microstates.svg


A template for this project was just added to the talk page for Seborga. As Seborga (see also Principality of Seborga is not recognized as a state by anyone of note, and "micronations" are distinguished from "microstates" in Micronation, is this appropriate? Same question regarding Principality of Sealand, which also had the template added. PubliusFL 20:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that they can loosely fall under the scope, failing in falling under the scope of any other projects. Any other thoughts?
Seborga and Sealand are definitely not sovereign states, and as a consequence cannot possibly be microstates. They're already covered under the micronations Wikiproject. Inclusion here is potentially misleading. --Gene_poole (talk) 05:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
There are sources supporting Sealandic sovereignty and the Principality of Sealand's status as a microstate, so it can't be said that the Principality is definitely not a sovereign state. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 22:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
There are 4 legal opinions promoting that fringe notion, none of which have ever been tested in a court of law. Sealand itself refers to itself as a micronation on its own official news blog, and hundreds of thousands of other available references to Sealand all identify it as a micronation as well. There is simply no question that Sealand is not a state. --Gene_poole (talk) 11:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
This is just a repeat of the dispute seen here. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


Does anyone have any ideas for how we can boost activity in this WikiProject? It's all well in good that we were created, but we haven't been able to get much done since then, myself included. Any suggestions? matt91486 18:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

A few:
Many users have infoboxes to indicate their nation of origin.
You might contact them about possibly joining the project.
The project is now listed on the Community Portal, which should draw a little more attention to it.
Portals are a nice way to draw attention, if you wanted to create one on the various states.
Maybe getting a bot to place the banner on all the relevant pages would be a good idea too.
Creation of a barnstar, or, maybe, in this case, several barnstars, one for each state, might help too.
That's all I can think of right now. John Carter 21:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposal: WikiProject Europe[edit]

I was noting down the related projects for Wikipedia:WikiProject European Union and number of small European projects as I was going round. How do you guys feel about a parent "WIkiProject Europe" to link together as many European projects at the top (not merge, unless some fell the need to)? It could help discussion and cooperation between projects and possibly reduce overheads for the smaller ones. In addition for areas with no project of their own. Where a project has few members or is inactive, a common peer-assessment could help them move forward.

Ideas? For central discussion, see WIkiproject EU talk page - J Logan t: 11:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


It's European, and it's a microstate; is it within the scope of the WikiProject? Æetlr Creejl 17:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Its not a recognised sovereign state, I think it is classed as a micronation instead. - J Logan t: 18:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Historical microstates[edit]

Will these eventually be included? How would the "multitude of minor authorities' that were part of the Holy Roman Empire be covered in such a project? Jackiespeel 18:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Luxembourg not included?[edit]

I guess Luxembourg is too big to be included as a microstate; is that correct?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitions of microstates are nebulous at best, but the biggest reason it's not included is that I approached WikiProject Luxembourg to see if they were interested in affiliating like WikiProjectMalta has, but they were not. So as long as they were boderline, we figured we might as well not overlap. matt91486 (talk) 07:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be simplest to go with whichever states are listed in European microstates (which, to my surprise at least, does exclude Luxembourg). --kingboyk (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It also has a specific project for itself, Wikipedia:WikiProject Luxembourg, so it's inclusion here would be somewhat unnecessary. John Carter (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Sealand[edit]

In the past there has been many disputes as to whether Sealand is a micronation or a microstate. For NPOV, all Sealand articles should have both POVs. To solve this dispute, I have created this. Sealand needs a WikiProject so that this dispute won't continue and all Sealand articles will represent both Sealandic micronation status and Sealandic microstate status. The constant dispute has meant that the article has been changed significantly. Sealand is part of both WikiProject European Microstates and WikiProject Micronations, and the creation of a project would require about 10 Wikipedia users, 5 for a sub-project. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Jazmin Grace Grimaldi[edit]

There's been BLP issues with this, and OTRS complaint, and a lot of rather shoddy editorialising. It would be good to get some eyes from this project on it (watchlist and re-writing). She's certainly notable and there's material we can use. But do remember she's a minor, so her "legitimacy" needs carefully handled and any personal information needs to have clear relevance. Thanks.--Docg 13:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Latin Europe[edit]

Hello WikiProject European Microstates! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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Sovereign Military Order of Malta[edit]

... is a sovereign subject of international law with government, money, etc. but w/o notable territory (capital: Rome) could/should be added to WikiProject European Microstates. Interesting subject! --19:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC) BTW de:Portal:Malteserorden (German Portal)

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electronic music in San Marino[edit] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pastelcase (talkcontribs) 00:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Pope Pius XII[edit]

Hi I was curious how to get in contact with someone in Eugenio Pacelli's family (pope pius xii)? Thanks very much. Kristy. My email address is if you notice this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox country[edit]

Hi. As you may know this template is used in articles for large countries as well as for microstates and overseas territories, some of which comprise of a single city (i.e. Monaco or Gibraltar). I therefore believe that there is scope for an additional parameter to be added to this template in order to allow a skyline image in the case of city-states as is used in Template:Infobox settlement. I proposed this at the template's talk page some time ago but was simply ignored. So I thought this would be the appropriate place to rekindle this... Would you guys support this? Thanks, --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 18:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Border Violation: Channel Islands[edit]

Be informed that the article on St. Matthew's Church, Millbrook on Jersey in the Channel Islands has been marked as of interest to this category. J S Ayer (talk) 00:35, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Micronations WikiProject tagging[edit]

I am not a member of this project, so I do not think it is appropriate for me to remove this project's templates from possibly out-of-scope pages, but should Category talk:Micronations be removed from the aegis of this project? Micronations are not real countries, and I suspect that the editor who added the template is one of the more enthusiastic proponents of equating micronations and microstates in an effort to legitimize the former (at least on Wikipedia). If one of the members of this project decides to remove the template from the catagory, I suspect that it would receive consensus that it was appropriate. Horologium (talk) 06:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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