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Archives from February 2007 - August 2008


Castles in France

I have been working through articles on French castles, including improvements to the List of castles in France page, with a few other editors. This has involved identifying, linking to and eventually translating suitable articles from the French wiki; removing from the list those châteaux that are actually palaces, stately homes or vineyards; where possible, creating new pages.

I have recently come across an article on the Château de Morimont, spelled Château du Morimont, which I wanted to move to the correct spelling as given by the French Ministry of Culture and to expand. Now, the Min of Culture website (a fantastic resource by the way) lists TWO castles with similar names in the correct location, Oberlag [1]:

a) Château fort de Morimont [2]
b) Ruines du château de Morimont [3]

So, can anyone help with this? I am happy to write the article using the Min of Culture as the main reference, but I am worried as to whether there are in fact two distinct castles, or is one built within the other or what? If anyone has any definite information it would be much appreciated. (Also posted on WikiProject Castles talk page.) Emeraude 11:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Help Request

I'm currently working on the biography of Jarvis Offutt, a WWI American flyer who was killed in France in 1918. Sources list his place of death at either Valheureuv or Valheureux, France, a community I am unable to locate or find any references for. Would anyone on this WikiProject happen to know if the locality has been spelled incorrectly, if the name has changed sometime in the past century (or it's been abandoned or annexed into a larger community), or if it's simply so insignificant that no mention is listed anywhere? I appreciate any help that anyone can provide. RJASE1 Talk 17:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim- I took a quick look on fr.wikipedia and it seems Valheureux is a defunct place name from the Somme, now apparently part of a community called Candas. fr:Valheureux redirects to the Candas article. The Valheureux page links to a category of former Somme communities, which list a few hundred former communities from that department. I'll bet it's what you're looking for--you can go to Google Maps and enter "candas, somme, france" into the search field to see if the location looks right. Hope this helps. -Eric (talk) 19:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the awesome help - the article now shows your info. Enjoy the barnstar! RJASE1 Talk 03:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Another (although the issue is very minor) help request

I have asked on the talk page of Cyril Théréau if anyone could please make an audio for how is his name pronounced. Now that i think about it, a plain IPA would suffice. Thanks in advance. -- Jokes Free4Me 19:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't provide audio or IPA, but to be going on with it will be pronounced something like see-reel tay-ray-owe. Hope that helps. Emeraude 22:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

"see-reel teh-reh-oh" rather no? we don't really have the ay and owe sounds in French. What do you think Emeraude? Saebhiar Adishatz 14:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

French thé pronounced as English tay (rhymes with day). French au pronounced as English owe (rhymes with toe). Emeraude 16:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

They don't really rhyme though, French pronouciation is very flat. thé is pronounced teh. au, oh (flat and short). Like most latin languages we don't really have nasal sounds like ay or owe. Anyhoo, doesn't matter. Saebhiar Adishatz 17:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right, they don't rhyme exactly, but they are near enough for an English speaker to get a very close approximation of the French pronunciation. I tried to give English words which could be put together to give a close feel (so your 'teh' may be more accurate but is actually unpronouncable in English). But, as you say, it doesn't matter. The original request from User:Jokes Free4Me was for an audio or IPA - both of which would of course be more precise and I hope someone can eventually provide these. Emeraude 10:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've wrote something while looking at French phonology. I hope this helps Comte0 19:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Saint-Martin and Saint-Barthélemy

Help in updating all articles related to the change effective on 22 February 2007 would be very welcome... —Nightstallion (?) 16:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Catalan-speaking Countries Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain and Andorra

As I said before with an other user Andorra is more closely related to Spain than to France and even more to the ofher catalan spea king areas (it's the only country were catalan is the unique official language) so the articles about this country should be transfered in one of those projects or in both. I repeat that it's not a nationalist or regionalist point of view (I'm french) just a realistic statement --Kimdime69 00:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Andorra is an independent state, member of the UNO, so I see no reason for it to be included in the French portal, which regards about places from France.
Otherwise, Andorra's official language is Catalan, so it would be expected to include Andorra in the Catalan portal, since this regards the Catalan-speaking area.
In case Andorra was included in the French portal due to the fact that there are many French speakers in that state, we could include in the French portal articles about Belgium, Canada or Tunisia as well. Aren't French speakers there?
--Casaforra (parlem-ne) 08:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned before Andora and Monaco were proposed to be included in this project by badbilltucker as no other separate suitable wikiprojects were existing at that time. I also believe that Andora fits better in the Catalan project, so feel free to make the needed changes. Let me know if help from my side is required. STTW (talk) 10:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, what SlaveToTheWage said. Now that the Catalan speakers have their own wikiproject, maybe Andorra should migrate there... Saebhiar Adishatz 14:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Assessment became easier

Check out the new script User talk:Outriggr/metadatatest.js, which has been extended on request to help WP:FR do the article assessments. Happy assessing, STTW (talk) 08:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

How to

Add the following lines toy your monobook.js.

 // [[User:Outriggr/metadatatest.js]]      
 defaultProject = "WikiProject France";

We have aver 20,000 unassessed articles, so lot of work ahead of us. Bon courage!! STTW (talk) 12:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Suzanne Lenglen FAR

Suzanne Lenglen has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 18:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Small alteration to your banner

As some of you may know, there's been some discussion regarding the number of WikiProject banners on article talk pages. There are three projects underway that attempt to "reduce the clutter". The first, of course, is the "small" option - see Small option for more info. The second is {{WikiProjectBanners}}, which hides all the banners in a one-line box. As has been discussed on that template's talk page, this option has the disadvantage of hiding WikiProject banners, which defeats one of the purposes - to recruit new members. The third option is {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, which addresses that issue by reducing each banner to one line (with the option to view the full banner).

Now the reason I'm bringing this up is because adopting this third option requires a small alteration of a WikiProject's banner - to add the "nested=yes" parameter. I'd like to determine consensus within this project around the change and see if we can move forward with it. I've put together a sample of your banner with the new option coded in (code). As you can see, there would be no change to the banner if the "nested" parameter isn't there. If it *is* there, the banner would be part of the "within the scope of the following projects..." box.

Several projects have already implemented this option, including WP:MILHIST, WP:LGBT, WP:ALBUM, WP:India, WP:AVIATION, and WP:CCM.

Thoughts? Concerns? Would going ahead with the alteration be okay? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I see no problem in going ahead with the alteration. -- NYArtsnWords 16:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
There has been a change in the WP:FR and Andorra is no more covered by the project, this change I have made to the template. STTW (talk) 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome - thanks :)

Propose new cat - french language media

I propose creating a new Category:French-language media which could possibly include the current sub-cats for French-language films, French-language newspapers, French language songs, French-language literature, as well as containing articles on French-language TV shows and radio programmes which currently have no home. Kevlar67 04:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The article on the AL automobile is copied word-for-word from that site.

2007 French coach crash for deletion

Mention since it seems in the scope of this project: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 French coach crash

Tintin in Wikiproject FRANCE???

A Frenchman living in Brussels, and an occasional fan of the cartoon "Tintin", I can't believe this project is part of Wikiproject France. It doesn't even take long on the Tintin page to realize that Tintin is all about Belgium. The author is Belgian, the character is Belgian, hell, even the cartoon about European colonial era is "Tintin in Congo", which used to be... Belgian! It would be better under Wikiproject Belgium, if it exists. 06:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There is currently no WikiProject Belgium. While the inclusion on The Adventures of Tintin (which are hugely popular in France) in WikiProject France may be unjustified due to the reasons you cite (including the Belgian nationality of the author Georges Remi aka Hergé), it should be noted (1) that the live-action and animated movies based on the Tintin books have been largely French productions and (2) that one generally refers to Franco-Belgian comics to cover the shared bande dessinée tradition of the two countries. This being said, I am sure that a future WP Belgium will eventually take over the article. -- NYArtsnWords 11:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Correction WP:BELGIUM does exist. STTW (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for finding that, STTW. I have removed the article from the WP:France FA list.-- NYArtsnWords 14:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Plausible misinformation

I have noticed an increase in vandalism using "plausible misinformation" on pages lately, including the use of plausible sounding references (with spurious publication data) and statistics. I encourage editors to always review changes to their watchlist pages and, if possible, to verify the information. Once misinformation sneaks into an article and becomes obscured by later edits, it is more difficult to correct the damage. -- NYArtsnWords 00:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Move {{WikiProject France}} to {{WPFR}}?

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to move/rename our tag from the long "WikiProject France" to something shorter, like "WPFR"? This would make it a lot easier when tagging articles and also, it's starting to become a norm with country specific projects (see: {{WPES}}, {{WPTR}}, {{WPGR}}, {{WPAM}}, etc.). What do the members here think? --Kimontalk 13:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of France-related articles has been mostly done by STTWbot on a regular basis. Also a script already exist which was suggested by me before, which makes tagging really easy. So I don't see a need of moving the template just for the reason suggested above. STTW (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the bot but, many times I find myself tag an article manually and the Outriggr script messes the formatting of the top of articles (in FF, at least). Anyway, I thought it may be good idea. --Kimontalk 19:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Renaming is unnecessary, as templates (unlike categories) can be redirected. I will do the redirect so that you can save your typing! Physchim62 (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I could've done the redirect myself but, I didn't want to do it without checking with the project members first (you never know).--Kimontalk 20:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Absinthe in WikiProject France

I don't know much about how the WikiProjects work so I'll just put this here in hopes someone with more knowlage will come along.

The absinthe page is now part of the WikiProject on Switzerland and I think that it should also be part of the French WikiProject. As, although abisnthe was first made in Swizterland, it is more commonly associated with France and French culture and cuisine. Scaper8 17:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

=French cinema

Anyone working in articles on French films and actors and directors please see the organization page Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Cinema of France and help out. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Please can somebody also expand the county articles such as Haute-Marne. They look very basic ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 16:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

For instance why does the article Corrèze not mention anyhting about the towns within it??? It is very poor not what you'd expect. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 16:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

People aren't going to think much of the project if all the main department articles on France are as basic as this. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 17:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Île de France flag

I have opened a debate at Template talk:IledeFrance-geo-stub as to which image is more appropriate and/or aesthetic for the use in the template {{IledeFrance-geo-stub}}. Any input will be appreciatively received.

superbfc [ talk | cont ]22:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Latin cultures

Hello everyone! You may want to go to Latin cultures an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... The Ogre 12:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Food Organizations / Project

In connection with the editing of the article Confrérie de la Chaîne des Rôtisseurs I have been invited to join this project.

As far the above mentioned "Chaîne" is concerned, I am in contact with its Headquarters in Paris, France in order to

1) receive additional information normally only availably to members, together with the authority to publish it in Wiki (e,g. "L'Ordre Mondial des Gourmets Dégustateurs")

2) receive authorization to publish teir logos (provisional o.k. given) and photos

Fak119 12:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Rosy Armen AFD

The article about French-Armenian singer Rosy Armen is up to deletion due to too little content. Please help in expanding the article. There's an article about her on French WKP, maybe someone can translate it into English? Armatura 22:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms of bullfighting

Criticisms of bullfighting was moved to give it a more neutral name. Thought I'd go ahead so that you could maybe update the assesment list. I would have done it myself but I don't want to disrupt anything. The link is located here FelisLeoTalk! 20:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


To increase more activity in the Project and also promote interaction between the various project members I think the idea of a newsletter could be helpful. I have created a draft at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter. Looking forward to your opinions and comments to it. STTW (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! So, what content do we add? --Kimontalk 18:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
There have been many changes in the project since its inception. Lately there was a step towards integrating the various France related projects - Paris streets. As it would be the first newsletter we could give some more general overview. Feel free to edit the draft of the newsletter. STTW (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I will when I get a chance (at an airport right now). On another note, I too think it's a good idea to merge all the France related projects into one. It would consolidate our efforts, I hope, and will result in less talk-page clutter. --Kimontalk 19:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncategorised stubs relating to France

By request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Categories/uncategorized, I've created Category:uncategorised France articles for articles in the Category:France stubs hierarchy, but no non-stub categories at all, and populated it with an initial 50 articles. If all is well, I can go ahead and finish doing so -- there's around 300 in total. Alai 04:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Jacques Offenbach

A number of Offenbach's operetta articles have recently been improved, but most of the information available is in French. Can any French speakers take a look and add info from some of the French internet sources, or, perhaps, translate some of the articles on Offenbach's operettas from French Wikipedia and add the info here? All of Offenbach's operettas are listed at Jacques Offenbach. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 13:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Chirac & Sarkozy

Is there a way, to prevent editors from editing in that Sarkozy has already succeeded Chirac as President? See List of Presidents of the French Republic and Jacques Chirac, I think we should wait until Sarkozy takes office. What do any of you, think? GoodDay 23:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with having Sarkozy listed as "President Elect". --Kimontalk 23:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Alright then, but we should not have Chirac listed as serving (1995-2007) while he's still in office. GoodDay 00:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Same problem with G8, where editors continue to jump the gun. I can't see any way of preventing it other than vigilance and reverts, but the problem will resolve itself naturally within a week. It does, though, raise an interesting question: how many times will George W Bush be edited out in the two months between the presidential election in Nov 2008 and the inauguration in Jan 2009?!! Emeraude 12:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
That's gonna be a nightmare, big time. GoodDay 19:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


I was hoping to create a disambiguation page for Luynes, because there is another village called Luynes, close to Aix-en-Provence. The village has two international schools and a prison, among other things. Anyway, how do I do that?Zigzig20s 19:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

There are many ways to disambiguate a page, but for this case you could use {{otheruse}} to add a link on the top of the existing Luynes article. For more information see WP:D. STTW (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Louvre - Help needed

Help needed in improving Louvre. Due to repeated vandalism and edit fights the article has ended up in a real mess. Let us try together to improve it, atleast bringing it back to the GA status. STTW (talk) 19:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Armenian-French relations

Salut everyone, I'd like to request a little bit of help on the article "Armenian-French relations." It's missing one those maps that locates two countries with colors (usually green and orange). Could someone make such a map and put it in the article to match with all other French-X relations? Merci beaucoup guys. - Fedayee 14:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Jackaranga 23:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team peer review

The article is about the national rugby union team. Please add your comments here. This article was the WikiProject Rugby union collaboration of the fortnight recently, and is a featured article on French language wikipedia (see here). When the collaboration was over I nominated it for GA and it passed without any problems. I'm looking for any feedback that will help this article get to Featured Article status - as the next step is to nominate it for FAC. Thanks. - Shudda talk 03:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia in French

Hi all,

The French Wikipedia is about to delete 2 categories:

How do you feel about that ?

SalomonCeb 12:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I feel that it's their business, the equivalent process on Anglophone Wikipedia starts at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. Physchim62 (talk) 13:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Echoing Phsyschim62's point above, since this is the English Wikipedia, we should be dedicated to the issues and debates going on here (there are plenty). I'm guessing many (if not most) members of this project are not active members in the French Wikipedia, though they may have accounts there or peruse it for articles to translate over to English.
One more thing, I doubt the French Wikipedia is "suppressing" anything. It appears they are debating whether those categories should be deleted or not. Suppressing is not compatible with open dialog and is equivalent to censorship. --Kimontalk 13:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi all- Just jumping in with a clarification--I think SalomonCeb meant "delete"; French uses the same word for both (supprimer), which shares a common Latin ancestor with "suppress". -Eric (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah! That would explain it :) --Kimontalk 13:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Issues with the Commune map

I'm having trouble getting the map to place things just right; I'm not sure if there's something I need to change. I've made two articles, Serbonnes and Cry, Yonne with this problem. Anyone know how to fix it? matt91486 00:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You must change the values for the lines that say x = and y = . These values represent the position on the map in pixels from the top left corner.
I changed the one on Cry, Yonne, you can ask me on my talk page if you need more explanations, or here but I might not check very often. Jackaranga 06:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Also maybe you know this already, but normally for the coordinates people use degrees, minutes and seconds on wikipedia, not decimal value, it might not be a requirement though I don't know. Jackaranga 06:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Arrondissements of ...

I recently prodded Arrondissements of the Eure department while hitting random article, because I felt as it was already in a category Category:Arrondissements of Eure and contained little additional information, it was somewhat pointless. The prod was taken off by Kiwipete, and during our discussion I discovered there are not only over a hundred of these Arrondissements of... but they're also all listed in List of arrondissements of France. I really, really don't think that we need over a hundred articles telling us what can be easily found in various categories and an entire List, and I propose either we merge and redirect or delete them altogether. As the WikiProject for such matters, I agree with Kiwipete that it should be discussed by you first. DevAlt 09:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

These lists could probably be included in the article on the département, IMHO. Physchim62 (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)



There is a discussion about deleting the Category Fantômas here. Anyone interested please participate. Merci. Dr.K. 19:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Jean-Philippe Pastor

Hello! Please, does anybody know this guy, or deserves he a "Prod"?Stellatomailing 15:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team FAC

There have been no comments at the France national rugby union team's FAC even though it's been an FAC for over a week. You can comment here. A support or oppose (with reasons) from some of you would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Shudda talk 00:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

National football teams - please vote

I've discovered that some editors have decided that the football teams of some French regions should be called "national teams". So now we have articles such as Corsica national football team, Guadeloupe national football team, Brittany national football team, as if Corsica, Guadeloupe, or Britanny were independent nations! They've done the same with other countries (Andalucia national football team, Cornwall national football team, etc.). I've tried to replace the word "national" with the word "regional", but I was immediately reverted and I was told that supposedly there exists a consensus to use the word "national". Since I can't find such consensus on the talk pages, I opened a vote to remove the word "national" from the titles, as this word seems extremly POV. Please take part in the vote, whatever your opinion may be. You can vote here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#"national" team for subnational entities?. Godefroy 02:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hydraulic engineer Louis Dominique Girard

Anybody speak French by any chance -I have a request that you translate Louis Dominique Girard from french wikipedia. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 16:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


Armand Jean du Plessis, Cardinal Richelieu has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. DrKiernan 06:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

France portal peer review

After two years of upkeep, it's time for the Portal:France to go through peer review ( Wikipedia:Portal_peer_review)... on the road -- one hopes-- to eventually becoming a featured portal candidate. Comments/suggestions/advice and technical assistance to make the portal "feature portal worthy" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --NYArtsnWords 00:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Arrondissements of France

A couple of times in the past, Mesoso2 has moved this article to Districts of France, and made corresponding changes to the text. Each time, I have reverted the text changes and restored the article to its current title. After the last edit, I left a note with Mesoso2 explaining my reasons for undoing his/her changes, and he/she has now left a reply on my talk page. I have started this discussion here to seek feedback from a wider audience. Please add your thoughts below or at the article's talk page. Kiwipete 01:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Low Contributor Traffic

Is there any way to get more traffic to France-related en.wikipedia articles - perhaps some francophone editors could help? There only seem to be a few key contributors in this area, or at least on the "Paris-oriented" articles I have been working on. After an intense period of contribution (and with others managing to raise the level of the Paris article to A+ status) I left off editing to give others a chance - but practically nothing has changed save the layout. I'd really like to see the Paris article raise to FA status, and for that it would be better to work as many, not few.

The low traffic is the cause of another problem, namely a lack of consensus: if but one opposing contributor is unwilling to discuss or reason, any editing conflict becomes a one-on-one edit war. There doesn't seem to be a high level of knowledge on subjects "France" in English wikipedia, a fact that makes an even greater mess when, to resolve a such conflict, one resorts to an RfC. For this it is possible for a stubborn few with too much time on their hands to basically write what they like in these articles, much to the disdain of Wikipedia's reputation; there are many "facts" present here (and Wiki scraper sites) that cannot be found in any official publications or mainstream references elsewhere. The result is perhaps something that "sounds good" to more ignorant international readers, but it is not fact, and this is not good for Wiki. THEPROMENADER 08:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Tag on EP

Hi, just wondering if the members here still considered European Parliament as under Wikiproject France? It was added by a bot ages ago but it seems to me more under just the EU, as one of its core topics, while it would be a minor topic for France. It has its main seat in Strasbourg yes but so is Interpol. It's just a thought, but odd to me. - J Logan t/c: 08:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


I made a typo in the title of the page for Luynes (Bouches-du-Rhones) - there is no 's' at the end of 'Rhone' (and there is an accent, as in Rhône, although I am not certain the accent should appear on the English Wikipedia - since English keyboards don't have them). Can anyone please try to fix the title anyway? Also, the disambiguation could be improved I suppose (see Luynes).Zigzig20s 10:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Franks FAR

Franks has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Peter Andersen 20:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

What up dog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakeley (talkcontribs) 01:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested Articles

I've been doing some work tracking down frequently redlinked articles pertaining to France. My current project is putting together a list of Cabinet Ministers without articles if anyone is interested. Looking at what links to them should tell you which cabinets they were in and with which positions. Any of those would be a good topic for a new article. One I finish with the cabinet ministers, I may work on the municipalities and/or natural features still needing articles, just to give some options for people to work on. I'm also trying to sort the requests more specifically so people will be able to easily find articles they are interested in creating. matt91486 21:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

French territorial formation

I read somewhere that an article called Territorial formation of France is requested. I'm interested to translate and adapt the French fr:Formation territoriale de la France. Is anyone interested as well ? Franchute 12:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment: the French page still has huge holes in its information, especially in the Medieval and Early Modern periods.- NYArtsnWords 13:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Witch trial

Iv'e noticed that there is very little about French alleged witches on Wikipedia. If someone on this project is interested, it would be interesting to read. I cant specify any. Just a suggestion!-- 12:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

North Sea collaboration

North Sea is the current Article Creation and Improvement Drive collaboration. WikiProject France members may find that a relevant focus. I have refrained from rating the article pending the result of the collaboration. Perhaps a regular member of this project could find a place for the collaboration banner on the project page itself? __meco 22:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


This article about an aspect of feudalism could use some attention, especially in the area of sources. 02:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Need assistance with non-factual info being re-introduced to page(s)...

I have, on several occasions, edited out non-Lafayette escadrille pilots from the Lafayette escadrille page. I have shown and posted my source documents which are reference-grade materials written by the folks *in* the actual squadron.

What do we have to do to lock SaintAlban's revisionism off of the page? Am I going about the editing process incorrectly? Should I just conceed that Wikipedia really *doesn't* have accuracy of articles as a priority?

Escadrille Americaine 23:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd suggest you give up on the accuracy aspirations. Process (such as 3RR) is much more important than accuracy for many Wiki editors and admins. 18:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Sarcasm aside, the revert that prompted Escadrille Americaine's quest for assistance here was made by me. No sourced documents had been shown or posted on Talk:Eugene Bullard at all, no inline reference existed in the article, and the removal of the category went without edit summary. The user gave an explanation on my talk page, I acknowledged my error and indicated I wouldn't revert again. I think this one has been resolved. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

My Translation Project

Just a heads up, I'm working on translating the articles for the French nuclear power plants. Since I don't actually speak French, you may want to browse around and check my work at some point.

Navigation: Template:French nuclear power plants

Thanks! -Theanphibian (talkcontribs) 10:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm also trying to get the Template talk:Location map France to work for me, but I'm not having too much luck so far. -Theanphibian (talkcontribs) 10:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Opera (band)

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Opera (band), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Flag of pre-Revolution France

After some reading-up on the subject of flags of the Kingdom of France on various Wikipedias and the Flags of the World website, (not the most reliable of sources, I know) I realized that the notion of a national French flag does not really exist before the Revolution. Nevertheless, there are several different designs in use all over the project. I wrote a summary over at Template talk:Country data France.

There is a pair of naval ensigns officially used from the 17th century onward that seems to have been the de-facto flags of the French kings and therefore ("L'État, c'est moi") the flags of the French state of the era: (c.f. fr:Drapeau du royaume de France)

Naval Ensign of the Kingdom of France.svg Pavillon royal de France.svg

Variants featuring the greater arms include:

LouisXIV.gif .

Using the plain white design to represent France might prove controversial, though, due to its likeness to the white flag of truce. So in the end, I suggest we use the fleur-de-lis ensign to represent France under the House of Bourbon where a flag is expected (e.g. conflict infoboxes etc.) It was in fact also the official national flag during the Bourbon Restorations [4] and seems to be a fairly well accepted symbol of the French state of this era. Being in the scope of this wikiproject, I'd like to hear you comments on this! --Himasaram 09:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of French apartheid

I suggest removing the label {{WikiProject France|class=start|attention=yes}}. The fact that the article was kept in Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Allegations_of_French_apartheid):, doesn't mean it must be kept as a part of the Wikiproject France. Teofilo talk 09:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of French apartheid merger proposal

Please go to Talk:Social_situation_in_the_French_suburbs#Merge_proposal_Allegations_of_French_apartheid_.3E_Social_Situation_in_the_French_suburbs and express your opinion on a proposal to merge Allegations of French apartheid into Social situation in the French suburbs. Lothar of the Hill People 20:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Honoré de Balzac

I just finished a major revision to the page Honoré de Balzac. Perhaps the project would like to review its rating (currently B-class).

Je viens de finir unu révision grande de la page Honoré de Balzac. Peut-être le projet voudrias vérifier le classement (maintenant B). (Je m'excuse s'il y a des fautes dans mon Française. Je suis seulment élémentaire.) -- Scartol 18:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Update: I'm doing another (more major) revision, after failing a GA review. I'll post another note here when I'm done. — ScartolTalk 06:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm done. — ScartolTalk 22:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for suggestions

Hi, I'm putting together some images for a table on EU cities. I want to try to break from the cliché of landmarks or skylines, as it is on population I am trying to find some images that include the people of those cities and day-to-day life in that city. For example, the London images I've found are along the lines of the tube (everyone uses it and it is iconic), parks (a third of London is green) and markets. I was wondering if you guys knew of some good images that symbolise the people's Paris so to speak? Or at least tell me of something typical and this very much a part of the city, even if it is just like a typical street. If you know of something, please drop a note on my talk page. Thanks! - J Logan t: 12:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Emile or Émile Coué?

There's some disagreement on the Talk:Émile Coué page over whether the accent belongs over the first "E" in his name. I did a Google search, including a Google search of French language sites and didn't see the accent over the E, except in the French Wikipedia and Wikisource. If someone is certain about it (based on a really reliable source), please change it. The article name should be changed as well in that case. If the accent belongs, please leave a note on the talk page. Thanks! TryCoolCareful 01:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Though in French accents are optional on uppercase letters (there is no key for them on a standard French keyboard) the correct spell is É. In the Académie Française dictionnary, accents are kept on uppercase letters. You may add a redirect using template {{R from title without diacritics}}. — M-le-mot-dit (d) 10:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Cathedral naming conventions

Starting several weeks ago, User:HeartofaDog has changed the name of every cathedral on the List of cathedrals in France, from the normal French or even English name, to [City] Cathedral. For example, Cathédrale Saint-Jean de Lyon has been changed to Lyon Cathedral, Cathedral of St. Peter and St. Paul, Nantes has been changed to Nantes Cathedral, and so on.

The two problems with this are, first of all that in almost all cases the French name or direct English translation is much better known than his own self-imposed version (and consistant with Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Conventions), and secondly that what he is changing it to does not even make grammatical sense - it would be Cathedral of [City]. His edit summaries justify these changes with "usual English form of name consistent with comparable articles". The only reason that they are now "consistant" is that he has changed every one of them! Basically I'm looking for some consensus on this because it's going to take a lot of work to change every one back. Thanks Schcambo 17:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be accusing me of some sort of vandalism. Yes, I have translated all of them to their clearest and most commonly used English language equivalents. I have also written a great many more, with comparable titles, to fill the numerous gaps. I see no mention of this issue on the Conventions page you refer to, and it would have been politer and more effective - in fact, more grown-up - to ask me directly about this before opening a general debate, especially phrased in the pointlessly and offensively aggressive way you have used.
In terms of an English language user, (e.g.) Lescar Cathedral is the obvious thing to call the cathedral in Lescar, not Cathédrale Notre-Dame-de-l'Assomption de Lescar or indeed Cathedral of Lescar. We customarily refer to (e.g.) Salisbury Cathedral, Westminster Cathedral, and indeed Chartres Cathedral, Amiens Cathedral etc - this is the usual short way to refer a cathedral in English, and scarcely "self-imposed" by me. I simply don't understand what this user means by "grammatical sense"- what is ungrammatical about "Lyon Cathedral"? And how - to an Anglophone - can (e.g.) Cathédrale Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Lyon be "much better known" than Lyon Cathedral? (As Schcambo kindly demonstrates above by getting it wrong...)
The great majority of the French cathedral articles when I started this exercise were stubs taken directly off the List of cathedrals in France, which was itself then just a copy and paste of the list from the French language Wikipedia (I have translated it since and I think it is now far more useful). Obviously things with French names should keep those in English but things which translate naturally to an English language equivalent - as in this case, cathedrals - should do so.
So as far as I am concerned this is a non-issue and User:Schcambo's comments make little sense. But the question of how to deal with titles of articles on non-English subjects is a topical one at present, and I will be interested to see what other people have to say. HeartofaDog 18:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The naming convention page specifically states that English names should only be used when the subjects are "most well-known by their English forms." And in the case of all the examples you have given above, the English name is not known at all. I would also like to remind you of your edit here, the main purpose of which was to change the style of the page from saying "Cathedral of Nantes" to "Nantes Cathedral", four times in total, thus ironically showing that the former is clearly the most obvious way in which to call the cathedral.
Finally I have not doubted the value of your contributions, which are excellent, but I do feel you have tried to impose your style on these pages. Schcambo 19:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I regret that you continue to make no sense.
"And in the case of all the examples you have given above, the English name is not known at all."
What does that MEAN? You are surely not saying that "Lyon Cathedral" would mean nothing to an English speaker, whereas Cathédrale Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Lyon would? Your assertion that the latter is somehow "better-known " and that the former is "not known at all", is meaningless. What is "better known" to an English speaker - "Chartres Cathedral" or "Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Chartres"? I haven't moved that article, by the way, because it already has a viable English language title, "Cathedral of Chartres".
"I would also like to remind you of your edit here, the main purpose of which was to change the style of the page from saying "Cathedral of Nantes" to "Nantes Cathedral", four times in total, thus ironically showing that the former is clearly the most obvious way in which to call the cathedral."
For goodness' sake, you don't need to remind me of anything - I make all my edits while in sound mind and sober, I remember all of them and am happy that all of them are responsible! Your point is time-wasting: I renamed the present Nantes Cathedral, but not from "Cathedral of Nantes": it previously had the cumbersome title "Cathedral of St. Peter and St. Paul, Nantes", which can scarcely be anyone's "better-known" preference. Having renamed the article, I also updated the four references to "Cathedral of Nantes" within it so that they read the same as the title (they are also BTW slightly shorter as "Nantes Cathedral") - this is called "consistency", of which I happen to be fond, and which, until you popped into my world a few minutes ago, I had thought to be a good thing on an encyclopedia.
I am of course continuing to assume your good faith but your arguments are starting to get silly, and I am starting to get the feeling that what you are really interested in is an argument for its own sake. We have said more than enough for our respective positions to be clear to third parties, and I suggest we now wait for other people to comment.HeartofaDog 20:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Footnote: To give a clearer picture of what we're talking about, the stats of the relevant articles that I've worked on since June:
Articles renamed from French to English (ie, Cathédrale Saint-A de X to X Cathedral) - 108
Articles renamed from one English title to another - 6 (of which 3 refer to the two cathedrals at Carcassonne)
Articles created by me in the form X Cathedral - 41 HeartofaDog 00:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
And to give some examples of where wiki style conventions are at:
Names such as 'Salisbury Cathedral' are mostly being used only when the the dedicatee is unknown or of little interest. More examples can be found here, note the cathedrals' real names are being used in all cases, and in the case of the French cathedrals in question, I don't see any need to cut these names, either. Schcambo 09:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

(outdent for clarity) Will somebody else please express a view?

(1) St Paul's and St. Patrick's are named the way they are because both London and Dublin have more than one operating cathedral - Westminster Cathedral and Southwark Cathedral, for example: please note the form of the name - and there is thus a need to distinguish. For this reason I have not renamed Notre-Dame in Paris, for example, and have distinguished the other cathedrals there, such as St. Louis' Cathedral, although as most are of different denominations - Ukrainian Catholic etc - I generally used those as more informative distinguishers than the dedications.

(2) Names such as 'Salisbury Cathedral' are mostly being used only when the the dedicatee is unknown or of little interest.

This is a completely ludicrous thing to say, and it makes it clear that you are arguing for the sake of it, without any grasp of or interest in the subject. It is simply untrue to say that (eg) the dedication of Salisbury Cathedral - to the Blessed Virgin Mary - "is unknown" and it is absurd on your part to say that it "is of little interest". Why is Salisbury any less interesting than Vannes or Nantes? The article is entitled "Salisbury Cathedral" because that is how it is "most well-known".

(3) I note the List of cathedrals in the United States. Now you please note (e.g.) List of cathedrals in the United Kingdom - Winchester Cathedral, Guildford Cathedral, Exeter Cathedral, etc etc etc. All of these have known dedications, of equal interest to those of any other cathedral. It is very glib of you to presume that a cathedral's "real name" is whatever you happen to think it should be. They can be equally validly referred to in a number of different ways, depending on context. My view, as you have made me repeat several times, is that unless there is a good and specific reason for a longer name - as there generally is, for example, in large cities with more than one cathedral - the most useful form of name is the one by which they are most commonly referred to in English, which is the short form "X Cathedral".

(4) To keep this in some sort of context, the edits of mine to which you take exception were for the most part translating foreign language names which are rarely if ever used in the English speaking world. There is simply no need to refer to a French cathedral in French - we have the word "cathedral", which is an exact equivalent. I cannot think of a single instance where I have changed the Eng lang form "St. A's Cathedral, X" to X Cathedral", except for the two cathedrals in Carcassonne, where in the end I decided it was more accurate to distinguish between them on the basis of current use as the cathedral and the basilica.

(5) Before you make any more ill-thought-out comments please READ the above and try and think it through. This is taking a great deal of my time, and after your unbelievable remark about Salisbury Cathedral I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe that you are interested in a serious discussion of the issue. HeartofaDog 11:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

(1) Point taken, bad examples on my part.
(2) Maybe you should, you know, read the article? You obviously haven't noticed that this dedication isn't even mentioned in the lead paragraph! I mean, if something is that relevant then it should be there!
(3) You just don't seem to be able to understand this - the standard in England is to say X Cathedral - while the standard in other English speaking countries like Ireland, the US, Australia, or any other on this list: List of cathedrals, is to say Cathedral of St. A. In addition to all that, the standard in France itself is also to say Cathedral of St. A (please see fr:Cathédrales françaises.)
"It is very glib of you to presume that a cathedral's "real name" is whatever you happen to think it should be."
Well I'm sorry, but a) I'm going by the cathedrals' real, official names and b) I'm going by what the French themselves call them, not the English. And so the only one creating names is yourself.
(4) First of all, don't forget that you changed Cathedral of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, Nantes to Nantes Cathedral. Second, I am fully in favour of using English words in the titles (i.e. Cathedral of Saint X) but I completely against altering names in order to remove what they are rightfully and normally called.
(5) Now how about leaving this for others to comment? That includes footnotes. Schcambo 19:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I wholeheartedly support the changes - the previous ones were a ridiculous blot on the landscape. How anyone can claim that the old titles were better known is beyond me. "Cathedral of Foo" is ungrammatical and should be avoided as a title. Consistency is also important. Johnbod 23:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger

As many of you may know, Wikipedia:WikiProject French départements is currently inactive. I was wondering what your project might think of taking on that project as a named subproject, maybe changing the name in the process, so that it deals more specifically with France's overseas territories and departments. Those areas seem substantial enough to me to benefit from some focused attention. The areas in particular I am thinking it could focus upon would be French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana, Saint Martin, Saint-Barthélemy, New Caledonia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and Réunion, and maybe Clipperton Island and the French Southern and Antarctic Lands as well. Thank you for your attention. John Carter 14:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for help regarding citations on Dassault Rafale

Hey guys. A while ago I added citation requests to the article, and I'm not sure any of them have been actioned. Is there anyone here with an interest in French military aviaton who could help out? Obviously English-language sources would be best, but I think even French-language ones would be appropriate if the only other option is no citations.

The article isn't too bad, but I think it needs those citations added as a priority in terms of article development. John Smith's 17:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Project tags and assessment

Bonjour. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that as part of an article assessment drive for WikiProject Ships, I recently tagged all of the French Navy ship disambiguation pages with the {{WikiProject France}} project banner as well as our normal {{WikiProject Ships}} and {{WPMILHIST}} banners. While I do not generally assess articles for projects of which I am not a member, the instructions at WikiProject France/Assessment were very clear and concise, so I went ahead and marked each of the dab pages as having Disambig as the class and NA as the importance. Please let me know if you have any questions, issues, or if I screwed it up. Merci beaucoup, --Kralizec! (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Premier Gaou

Odd place to advertise for a song, but I just started the Premier Gaou article and would be grateful if any Ivorian/Francophone guy who understands the many slang words in the lyrics can help me out, and maybe add more info on the track before it became a hit in France. Thanks for reading! -Onomatopoeia 11:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Errors at Culoz

Just a quick heads-up about an issue that was raised at VPA yesterday. Back in May, an IP editor raised some errors with the Culoz article (and possibly other articles that may have been bot-generated, though Culoz was apparently human-generated). Anyone who knows the correct information for Culoz should check the article and correct the errors. Adrian M. H. 11:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've corrected the infobox. — M-le-mot-dit (T) 13:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that's great. Adrian M. H. 16:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

And I've added some info. from the Fr:Wiki Dickie (talk) 16:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

National Front (France): Problems with images

Some images on National Front (France) apparently aren't displaying correctly and I don't know how to fix. As far as I can tell, they haven't been deliberately removed. -- 00:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for help from French speaking editors

Bonjour ou Bon Soir. I apologize for jumping into a discussion page on France. We have a problem on an English Wikipedia article, Jean-Paul Ney, with two editors, one who may be Ney himself. Editors are using have highly inappropriate language, threats,and are citing personal web-sites and blogs many of which are in French. I haven't translated for awhile so I am not a good candidate to see if these sites are ok, that is to translate them, are what they editors citing them says they are and so on. The article could really use a neutral editor over there to take a look and maybe check some of these sites. I suppose this topic could be part of Wikipedia France. Thanks for your consideration. (olive 21:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC))

Here's a handy link: Jean-Paul Ney. Thanks olive! Dreadstar 01:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Lords of France

Imput is requested on an issue of translations of the words sieur and seigneur and on a proposed deletion of categories associated with them. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_October_16#Lords_of_France_and_subcategories. Thanks - NYArtsnWords 21:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Lost in France

Hi everyone As a relative newbie to Wikipedia, I hope I’ve been doing things in the correct way I have had some time spare to create entries needed as shown on ProjectFrance. During the last fortnight, I have created the following pages on the English Wikipedia from stubs of ‘Cantons of France’. Wailly-Beaucamp Beaulieu-lès-Loches Wamin Wambercourt Fruges Fressin Chérisy In all but one case (Chérisy), I have taken the French Wiki pages and cut & pasted ( translating as I go). These are all places I know quite well, hence my attempting them in the first place. If anyone has time, especially a native French speaker, to compare translation and content, I would be grateful. Thanks Dickeybird Dickie 15:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC) PS I’d appreciate any feedback – including negative opinion. PPS Is this where I should post this? It’s more like an email, really.

Rives, Isere

Hello there. I have created a stub for Rives and added your Wikiproject tag to its talkpage. I hope it's all right. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 11:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply from Dickie 12:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC). Yes - that's great. So, as I'm improving communes and cantons that I know well, I've done my treatment on your page. I go onto French Wikipedia sites and cut and paste from the edit of a page - You could do the same). Feel free to criticise, re-translate etc.
Thanks. Replied on your talk page. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 12:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Catalonia and France

Hi, everybody. I would like to have your opinion about some editions at Wikimedia Commons that tend to add to pages about Catalonia the categories "(...) of France". It is, as far as I know a nationalist attempt to state that Catalonia is split into Spain and France, I suppose because of the Roussillon. This way of categorizing is found by some Catalan nationalists as an alternative to just delete any allusion to Spain. The problem is that almost all the contents in this categories are about Catalonia, the Spanish autonomous community, and I find the categories confusing as they are by now. Which denomination would you find best to describe the French territories that nationalists claim as Catalonia, in order to categorize their images properly?

Only some examples: [5], [6], [7]

Thank you for your attention.--Garcilaso 19:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Anybody there?--Garcilaso (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I would probably deal with it on a case per case basis. A "...of France" category should only be used for people or things that are related to or found in the French Catalan-speaking areas of Roussillon/Northern Catalonia and French Cerdagne. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

New articles page

Is the new articles page inactive? It looks like there is very little activity there recently. I made a semi-decent stub for the journalist Jean-François Kahn, but it probably needs somebody other than me to give it a bit of TLC. I intend to do something similar but even briefer for the cultural website Both have substantial articles on the French Wikipedia, if someone wanted to pick them up and run with them that would be great. Purgatorio 14:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC) I've added translations from the French Wiki page for M. Kahn - I hope it's OK ! Dickie 11:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Templates for french municipalities

Hallo, i write from Italy and i've got a question: I've found lot of "navigators" for almost all municipalities in Europe, excepted for France. It sounds like me very strange... Why this ? I would start doing some templates (but, of course, i can't do all) and then export to en. and fr. wiki (than they could be copied others interested...). Have you got some projects for template of navigation in french communes ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

If you mean infobox by "template of navigation", then we do have one, at {{French commune}} and the French also have one at {{fr:Modèle:Infobox Commune de France}}. If this is not what you are looking for, then could you please be more precise in your demand. ChrisDHDR 12:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
There are also templates like {{Arrondissements of Gironde}} and {{Departments of France}} whicb I believe are referred to as "navigation templates". Kiwipete 09:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
No, i mean navigation templates for communes.... hmmm, for exemple, as this one in Germany: {{Cities and towns in Märkisch-Oderland (district)}}. Or others for Italy, Poland, Spain etc... I've seen that there's no one wiki with these. I'm askin'for that also in french and italian version :) Thanx
Due to the huge number of communes in France, it is impossible to make one template for them all, how ever there is a template that links to lists of the communes in all the départements, {{Communes of France}}. I think this is what you are looking for. ChrisDHDR 17:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Not really one template for communes, of course :) . One for every département.

A Wikipedia Ad???

Why not have a banner/ad for this project? I think it could be a good idea that would cause no halm and a lot of projects already have one (they just reached 100 ads). Even WikiProject Antarctica Highways has one. What do you imagine for the catch phrase and the design? I thought about something like this (the franglais adds a nice and humourous touch) but can't think of a background (any suggestions?.) ChrisDHDR 09:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Template made! Based on the design below but feel free to modify it. ChrisDHDR 17:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Flag of France.svg Do you speak some Français?

Flag of France.svg Know a bit about le Culture Français?

Flag of France.svg Or are you just a bit Intéressé?

Flag of France.svg If any of these suit you ...

Flag of France.svg ... join Wikiproject France today!

Centennial celebration of the French Revolution

I've come across a string of articles that refer to the centennial celebration of the French Revolution (without including a redlink like that!) but there doesn't seem to be a central article to bring the various strands together. A couple of examples:

I imagine there was a great deal of pomp and ceremonial - surely more than the typical Bastille Day. I've seen writers refer to the "success" of the centennial celebration (e.g. "the centennial and bicentennial celebrations of 1789 are only the most obvious signs that, to date, the Revolution has won out" [8]). I've also seen claims that in a context of political tension, with conflict between extreme nationalists (many of whom who saw the Revolutionary tradition as un-French) and left-wing syndicalists, the French government was involved in a propaganda campaign to emphasise the "Frenchness" of Republican ideals and the official centennial celebrations formed part of this effort (e.g. [9]).

This certainly seems a very significant event, at least on a par with the Victorian Jubilee celebrations (indeed, it seems to have left a more substantial legacy), and there's enough scope here (the celebrations themselves, the politics behind them, their legacy) for a potentially quite meaty article, certainly not one condemned to perpetual stubdom. Despite that, I've not found an English-language source specifically devoted to the centennial celebrations, just mentions in passing (there's much more on the web about the bicentennial celebrations, but it's hard to believe that in 100 years time they will be considered to have left as large a legacy as the centennial ones). I'm certain this is because the Expo draws attention away from the wider celebrations and their context: surely the Expo was just an aspect of the celebrations, rather than the centennial celebrations being part of the Expo? So maybe this could do with an article of its own. But maybe not, if it was effectively subsumed by the Expo. Since I could only contribute a pretty dire stub on the subject, and wouldn't really know where to look for better sources, I'm just posting here to see what better-informed people think about it. TheGrappler 20:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a great idea to start an article on the subject. I think that the Expo could be considered as part of the celebrations since the Celebrations would of happened with or without the Expo and that they chose to have an Expo that year because it was the 100th anniversary. You seem to have the resources already but if you need any help, just give me a shot. ChrisDHDR 14:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately the sources I've found so far tend to mention the celebrations only in passing, generally as context to their main point. So I'd be synthesising from scraps, which is rarely the best way to produce an article! Probably I ought to try to find paper references - I don't have much on late nineteenth century France so I'll try raiding a library. I'll also have a look on the web for French language sources which are likely more numerous. I wonder if there are digitized newspaper archives dating back that far, and who would have access to them?TheGrappler 23:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Battles of macrohistorical importance involving invasions of Europe GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles and just reviewed Battles of macrohistorical importance involving invasions of Europe. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues considering sourcing that should be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I am leaving this message at this project page, along with the other relevant task forces/WikiProjects to the article, since the article falls under this topic and figured you might be interested in helping to improve the article further. The article needs some more inline citations, an expanded lead, and uniform inline citation formatting. If added, I'll pass the article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 00:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

France Portal - Featured Portal Nomination

I have nominated Portal:France for Featured portal status. Please visit Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates (and specifically Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:France) to voice your support for the nomination.

Thanks- NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey all - Portal:France has become a Featured portal!! - NYArtsnWords (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Rennes-le-Château needs your help!

Rennes-le-Château needs some serious cleanup. In particular, it has perhaps the worst cite I've seen on Wikipedia in the last few years:

"An international spiritual ascension community has formed around what is regarded by the "new age" community as a strong energy centre in the Rennes Le Chateau region causing real estate prices to have sky rocketed in recent years" -- Cited as: "this is common knowledge in Southern France - the trend can be verified with a cursory reading of net postings""

See WP:VERIFY and WP:CITE for good citation style. -- (talk) 13:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bring it to our attention, I have added it to {{France tasks}}. You could, however, register an account and take on the task yourself if you like. ChrisDHDR 18:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Naval Troops → Troupes de marine

Troupes de marine was renamed as Naval Troops unilaterally, so there is now a WP:RM to move it back. (talk) 05:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bring it to our attention and the discusssion is now well under way at WP:RM. ChrisDHDR 19:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Pied-noir needs your help

Pied-noir "does not cite any references or sources." Tag added January 2007. -- (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bring it to our attention, I have added it to {{France tasks}}. You could, however, register an account and take on the task yourself if you like. ChrisDHDR 19:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Multiple place-names within train station names

See Talk:Châtelet – Les Halles (Paris RER)#Requested move.

The correct French usage per RATP website appears to be to use a hyphen without any spaces: Châtelet-Les Halles, Houilles-Carrières-sur-Seine, Le Vésinet-Centre, Cergy-Saint-Christophe, Marne-la-Vallée-Chessy. (See ). However, this image of an actual RER platform shows "Marne-la-Vallée – Chessy", using "space-en-dash-space" instead of just a "hyphen". So it can go both ways.

Wikipedia articles usually use "space-hyphen-space" or "space-dash-space": Châtelet – Les Halles (Paris RER), Houilles – Carrières-sur-Seine (SNCF), Le Vésinet – Centre (Paris RER), Gare de Cergy - Saint-Christophe, Gare de Marne-la-Vallée - Chessy.

Also, we are not clear whether to use "(Paris Métro)", "(Paris RER)", "(SNCF)", etc. instead of "Gare de". Can you weigh in on the discussion at Talk:Châtelet – Les Halles (Paris RER)#Requested move?

This should be clarified in WP:FR/CON. Merci beaucoup.--Endroit (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes needs you!

I noticed that the Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes has an inactive tag. I wonder whether WP France should take charge of it? For anyone looking for simple, repetitive wiki activity (a little like knitting), WP French communes is a great project. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Depends what's required - I see that many départments have half their communes listed in red (i.e. they have no entry) - Does this mean creating (pesumably from fr:wiki) an entry for each - or is there an automated method that can create a stub? Whenever I have time spare, I copy and translate fr:wiki versions of communes in (mostly) Pas-de-Calais. I'm happy to continue with this. If my efforts could be made any easier, I'd be grateful for guidance. Should the inactivity tag be removed too ? Dickie (talk) 13:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if perhaps the two should merge and make "communes" a task-force of some kind. --Kimontalk 16:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Merge would be a good idea. In terms of the work, if you don't want to spend a lot of time translating a page, you can limit yourself to cut-and-pasting the info box from the French wiki, and then using Template:French commune, replacing "{{tableau comm|" by "{{French commune|". You will also need to add "|date-dens=" anywhere in the table, to anglicize the figures, and to add the right cats and fr: tag. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I think Arts idea is best. If no objection arises in the next weeks, and all the members are notified, be bold and go ahead! ChrisDHDR 18:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Paris, "b-quality" article - commentary, critique?

I noticed today that, not only has the Paris article been demoted from its "good article" status, but it has been demoted from A-class to B. Could the person who gave it these ratings be so kind as to provide some commentary as to the reasons why the article was demoted, and what can be improved therein? This could give those interested some guidelines for future cleanup. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 12:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Were they Kings of France?

At the articles Louise, Duke of Augouleme and his nephew Charles, comte de Chambord, the content has them described as Kings of France (including their reigns). I thought they were never recognized by historians as Kings (accept for legitemist)? Would someone check out those articles, please. GoodDay (talk) 01:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean "Henri, comte de Chambord"? john k (talk) 17:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Oops, yes I meant 'Henry, comte de Chambord'. GoodDay (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Louis, before he also signed an abdication, he was Louis XIX, but for only 20 minutes in 1830, which is why he’s never listed in ‘true’ lists of kings of France. According to a chronicler of the time, he asked ‘Let me reign for an hour”. His father (Charles X), who had just abdicated, said “You ? – certainly not !” Henri, comte de Chambord, again, was theoretically king of France, after his cousin, Louis, above. But in those days of Monarchism v Republicanism, the choice wasn’t just his. People and Parliament decided his fate. His intransigence regarding the tricolour led to his downfall. Before Parliament had decided to offer the throne to Louis-Philipe, Henri was in effect, ‘Henry V’ of France, for 7 days. Some English analogies: The story of the two young princes in the Tower (of London), imprisoned by their uncle, Richard III. Had the eldest (Edward V) been killed first, then the younger brother, also called Richard, would have been king, in theory, until he was then killed. He’s never officially listed as a king, of course. There’s little evidence of their murders, either, but as they were never seen again, one can only assume… Lady Jane Grey was pronounced Queen of England by her cousin Edward VI on his deathbed, but ‘reigned' for only 9 or 13 days, before being imprisoned and executed. Was she a true ‘Queen’ of England? James Francis Edward Stuart and his son, Charles Edward Stuart had claims to be the true kings of England, as James III and Charles III. Again, depending on your viewpoint, the claims could be valid. But as with France, it was Parliament (the ‘people’) that decided on the Protestant line. I’m happy with the approach of both articles. The French Wiki versions deals with the facts in the same vein and as with en:wiki, the two men aren’t in the formal lists of kings of France from 1804 - 1870. (Napoléon, Louis XVIII, Charles X, Louis-Philippe and Napoléon III). Dickie (talk) 10:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Even the Legitimist don't recognize Louis & Henry as having reigned as Kings in 1830. GoodDay (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC) 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Léonard-Léopold Forgemol de Bostquénard

Waow a long name, even for a General,

Is there someone interested to write an article uppon this French General who was, in 1881, commanding a division of the French expeditionary corps in Tunisia and then named Commander in Chief of the French forces in that country.

Interwikis are:

Potential references:

SalomonCeb (talk) 09:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting. I won't be able to do anything for 3 weeks - I'm in France but without any internet access. There's a French site Photo of Forgemol + info and I've asked for permission to use the picture. If I get a reply before I go away, I'll update this page. Dickie (talk) 12:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I've started the article and now have permission to use a photo - but the same photo was deleted from Commons by User:ABF on 4th Jan. I'll contact him. Also hae a problem with the source/references bannerDickie (talk) 16:54,

Canton naming convention

I'm trying to devise a plan for creating articles on all the cantons. One matter I need to sort out first is the names of cantons that contain numbers. My searching on INSEE has produced 380 such cantons. Most are of the form "Épernay 1er Canton" which I propose will become "Épernay 1st Canton", similarly 2e -> 2nd, 3e -> 3rd etc. However, there are a number of unusual cases listed below, for which I have listed possible options.

INSEE name Proposed article name
Amiens 1er (Ouest) Amiens 1st Canton (West)
Amiens 2e (Nord-Ouest) Amiens 2nd Canton (North-West)
Amiens 3e (Nord-Est) Amiens 3rd Canton (North-East)
Amiens 4e (Est) Amiens 4th Canton (East)
Amiens 5e (Sud-Est) Amiens 5th Canton (South-East)
Amiens 6e (Sud) Amiens 6th Canton (South)
Amiens 7e (Sud-Ouest) Amiens 7th Canton (South-West)
Amiens 8e (Nord) Amiens 8th Canton (North)
Bastia 5e (Canton Lupino) Bastia 5th Canton (Canton Lupino)
Bastia 6e (Canton Furiani-Montésoro) Bastia 6th Canton (Canton Furiani-Montésoro)
Caen-Hérouville (Caen 6e Canton) Canton of Caen-Hérouville (Caen 6th Canton)
Cayenne 1er Canton Nord-Ouest Cayenne 1st Canton North-West
Cayenne 2e Canton Nord-Est Cayenne 2nd Canton North-East
Cayenne 3e Canton Sud-Ouest Cayenne 3rd Canton South-West
Cayenne 4e Canton Centre Cayenne 4th Canton Centre
Cayenne 5e Canton Sud Cayenne 5th Canton South
Cayenne 6e Canton Sud-Est Cayenne 6th Canton South-East
Hérouville-Saint-Clair (Caen 5e Canton) Canton of Hérouville-Saint-Clair (Caen 5th Canton)
Le François 1er Canton Nord Le François 1st Canton North
Le François 2e Canton Sud Le François 2nd Canton South
Le Lamentin 1er Canton Sud-Bourg Le Lamentin 1st Canton South-Bourg
Le Lamentin 2e Canton Nord Le Lamentin 2nd Canton North
Le Lamentin 3e Canton Est Le Lamentin 3rd Canton East
Le Port 1er Canton Nord Le Port 1st Canton North
Le Port 2e Canton Sud Le Port 2nd Canton South
Le Robert 1er Canton Sud Le Robert 1st Canton South
Le Robert 2e Canton Nord Le Robert 2nd Canton North
Montluçon-Est (4e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Est (4th Canton)
Montluçon-Nord-Est (1er Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Nord-Est (1st Canton)
Montluçon-Ouest (2e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Ouest (2nd Canton)
Montluçon-Sud (3e Canton) Canton of Montluçon-Sud (3rd Canton)
Sainte-Marie 1er Canton Nord Sainte-Marie 1st Canton North
Sainte-Marie 2e Canton Sud Sainte-Marie 2nd Canton South

I would appreciate your comments. Kiwipete (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Take a look a the article Liste des cantons français in the french wiki. For exemple they have keep the canton number for Amiens's but not for Cayenne's canton. Yves-Laurent (talk) 09:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, my problem with the French wiki list is that there seems to be no standard rule being followed. I want the English article name to reflect as closely as possible the official name used by INSEE. If there are other variations on the name, these could be outlined in the article body, and maybe also as redirects to the main article. Kiwipete (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The french article appears to be consistent with the results of the elections in those cantons as shown on the ministry of interior site: (see "élections cantonales" and "élections cantonales partielles" Comte0 (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The Placing of the word "canton" seems to differ. It think that they should go under the form Canton of La Boug 5 and forget about the North/South/etc. bit since it simply describes the canton and isn't a part of it's disambiguation. ChrisDHDR 10:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Communes bot

How hard would it be to create a bot that could take the French infoboxes and the information from them to make a basic article on EN? That way we might spend less effort creating the articles from scratch and more effort expanding them. gren グレン 22:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of the french article have been created by bots like DasBot. It shouldn't be very hard for this bot to do the same job for the english wiki (he even have a account here : DasBot). Yves-Laurent (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would encourage anyone with the know how to replicate that... (or, help explain to me) since I don't relish creating any more by hand. Is there documentation on FR from how they did it...? gren グレン 05:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I think they use information from and If you whant, i can ask for more information on the french wiki. Yves-Laurent (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
You might also be interested in the way the Italy Project do it, they have a subst that allows you to just copy and paste in the infobox and it automagically converts itself into the equivalent. I've put in a request to make it a wee bit more intelligent about its translations, and for a similar subst for the frazione infobox - if you have a look over there, you'll have links to the relevant Italian templates. PS I've also got a proposal for a bot that might help automate the assessment of some of those Unassessed articles which you guys might be interested in... FlagSteward (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Help needed: 19e Corps d'Armée, général Koeltz

Any information on this Corps d'Armée would be appreciated.-- mrg3105mrg3105 23:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Navigation templates for french municipalities (the 1st is arrived)

The discussion has been moved here

Hi everybody. I'm proud to advise you that i've created, on it.wp, the 1st nav template (Alpes Maritimes) for french municipalities (by departments): it:Template:Dipartimento Alpi Marittime.

I hope it could be useful for the navigators in these version ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Here the discussion in french

All Blacks versus France at rugby union Featured Article candidate

I have nominated All Blacks versus France at rugby union for WP:FA Featured Article status following improvements made after the peer review from last year. Please add your comments to the nomination page here. Thanks. - Shudde talk 10:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Louvre...searching for collobarators :)

Hey all....this article needs some work with referencing/sourcing/copy edit, etc. I've started by adding references, from the top-down, but I was wondering if anyone would like to come over and help out a bit? It's always nicer to edit if you have a collaboration.... Lazulilasher (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK -- Nausea

Nausea (novel) is currently in DYK. After more cleanup, I will soon be submitting for GA. Any and all help, suggestions, comments will be greatly appreciated. William P. Coleman (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Vincent-Marie Viénot de Vaublanc

Bonjour tout le monde. J'aimerais bien faire de cet article un article de qualité en anglais. J'ai déjà fait une demande et voilà ce que l'on ma dit: voir ici. Mon anglais étant un peu hésitant je recherche des personnes qui accepteraient de reformuler l'article, qui en corrigeraient le style en vu d'en faire un featured article. Merci à tous. Aymeric78 (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


Vellescot has been flagged with the {{Notability}} and {{Orphan}} banners. Is it worth to create an article for each of the communes? Is there notability criterium? Am I wasting my time creating articles for all communes regardless of their size? — M-le-mot-dit (T) 18:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A commune is never an orphan because it is always linked (or should be) from the déprtment, secondly it is a relevant article for the WP France. Kudos for your effort. STTW (talk) 11:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
No you're not wasting your time ( otherwise I am too! ). Presumably the link to Communes of the Territoire de Belfort department was always there ? Well done with your Jura efforts ! Dickie (talk) 12:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's go on. In Jura there is a very small commune (Mérona) of 8 inhabitants. — M-le-mot-dit (T) 09:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's the relavent notability guidline: Wikipedia:Notability (Geographic locations) It's still in the proposal phase.   — Chris Capoccia TC 15:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

External map links

I've noticed many users importing articles of French locations from the French Wikipedia to here. Many of them contain map links in the external links section in addition to coordinates, which may or may not be redundant. This is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:External links#Issues with inclusion or exclusion of map service links. If you have an opinion on the matter, please share it on the discussion page to find community consensus. Merci! --Para (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Emery Molyneux: Translation of non-English terms

Help would be much appreciated in translating the following book title appearing in the article "Emery Molyneux" that is not in English:

  • "Traicté des globes, et de leur usage, traduit per Haurion. ... Chez Abraham Pacard, ruë sainct Iacques, au sacrifice d'Abraham".

Do respond on the article's talk page. Thanks very much! — Cheers, JackLee talk 04:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Template broken

Just in case there's some admins around who don't look at Template talk:WikiProject France‎ - someone has left out the opening brackets for the Categories code in the template, which breaks categories for some of the minor classes like List, Dab, Cat and so on. FlagSteward (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

University of Provence

As per [10]. I think the info should be added again, she is a public figure, I don't think it sounds too gossipy, it is a well-known fact, and it is referenced. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Restore it, but without the pejorative 'illegitimate'. The idea of 'offical' 'marriage' is not an international concept. She's recognised as his daughter, that's enough for me. Dickie (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
But surely it is a valid statement when talking about France. Plus she was hidden from the media for years for that reason.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Zigzig20s. Maybe in other countries there is no such thing as an "official marriage" but in France there is and since she was born out of wedlock she is therefore "illegitimate" whether the term be pejorative or not (Note: Wiktionary and Wikipedia make not reference to the term being pejorative). ChrisDHDR 09:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It is hard to understand how the "illegitimacy" of someone's birth, even if there were notable events related to that (her father's secret second life and his actions, as president of France, to divert state security apparatus to cover it up), is relevant to the university at which that person, as an adult, later teaches. These events took place long before Mme Pingeot's association with the University of Provence, where apparently she still holds an appointment as a graduate teaching fellow while she completes her dissertation. There is no evidence that the university has either affected or been affected by these events. On the other hand, there are many distinguished faculty at the university, who are known for their contributions to scholarship and learning. To cite Mme Pingeot as the only faculty member worthy of note at the university, and essentially because of the circumstances surrounding her birth, is to lose for Wikipedia a sense of proportion, relevance, and appropriateness. The appropriate place to discuss both Mme Pingeot's birth and her connection to the University of Provence is in the entry devoted to her. MyPOV (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree and you've deleted it again without a consensus.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the initial deletion was reversed when there was no consensus for reversing it. For the contributors to this thread to weigh in on the appropriateness of the deletion, they would need to see the explanation for the deletion, which I provided to you on your talk page when you asked me about it but which you did not reference here. Even in the absence of that context, there's been one user who felt that it should be restored but without the use of the word "illegitimate" and one user who felt that the word "illegitimate" was fine, so it's hard to say that there's really a consensus for restoring it in its original form. Note that the basis for the original deletion does not principally turn on whether the word is derogatory or not. MyPOV (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Translator needed

I need some help with this if anyone knows enough french to aid Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User_refuses_to_communicate.2C_continues_to_introduce_possible_copyvio_images_and_mos_issues.--Crossmr.--Crossmr (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Saint Quentin Cambrésis

Is this the same as Saint-Quentin, Aisne? Mjroots (talk) 07:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

For me, Saint Quentin Cambrésis is the name of a train station near Saint Quentin see here for exemple but i don't think that will help you. The cambrésis was the name of an old provinces of France. And, a priori, Saint Quentin is in the cambresis. Yves-Laurent (talk) 07:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Saint-Quentin, Aisne is the correct place then. Thanks for that link, looks very interesting, will work on adding the info there into an article I'm writing on the CF du Cambrésis later on today. Mjroots (talk) 09:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


Can anyone please split this page into two articles? There would need a full page on the town, and another page on the textile, with a picture for each page..Zigzig20s (talk) 10:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I've never heard of the cloth, outside of this article and Wiktionary. None of the foreign language articles on Chambray mention it, including, most significantly, the French Wikipedia at fr:Chambray. Similarly, from Wiktionary the other language links do not include French. My paper encyclopaedias do not mention it. That's not to say it doesn't exist of course, but a bit of research needs to be done by a textiles expert. I will expand the present article from the French version later today. Emeraude (talk) 11:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
In chapter XIX, Part I, of Willa Cather's The Song of the Lark, Thea is wearing a chambray dress. Also, see [11]. Perhaps the WikiProject Fashion would be interested in it as well. I admit that nowadays people mostly wear cotton, wool or cashmere, but still.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you deals with Cambric (fr:Batiste in french) who is a creation of Baptiste Chambray (who lived in Cambrai). Yves-Laurent (talk) 11:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
That novel says 'chambray'. So does the dictionary, though their etymology might lead to what you're suggesting - but it is not referenced.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Or maybe chambray is another word for cambric? We'd have to make sure.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've asked there [12], there might be someone to help us there.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yves-Laurent is almost certainly correct. One of the foreign language Wiktionaries mentioned 'batiste' (but my knowledge of whichever language was no help there). So, it seems the reference to being named after the Normandy town is totally inaccurate. (I have now expanded the Chambray article as promised.) Emeraude (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
OK. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Chambray is "A kind of gingham with a linen finish." Etymology is given as "irreg. f. Cambray (see CAMBRIC). The OED defines cambric as "A kind of fine white linen, originally made at Cambray in Flanders". So that clinches it - there is no connection with the town Chambray. Emeraude (talk) 12:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh okay. But then is cambric the same thing as chambray or does chambray need a page of its own? The definitions seem a little different.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Seems to me they're the same thing, or at least, so similar as to be indistinguishable. Will try to confirm this, but in any case, the reference in the article needs to be removed which I will do. Emeraude (talk) 12:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you please redirect chambray (the textile) to cambric as well?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
There isn't an article on chambray (the textile) to redirect, but I will have a go at the Wiktionary entry. Emeraude (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
On the Chambray page, you could put 'for the textile, see cambric' perhaps.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Good point. Consider it done. Emeraude (talk) 14:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

French people - vote for pictures

Hello WikiProject France/Archive 3. You all may be interested in one of the discussions going on about the French people article regarding the pictures in the infobox: you are now all invited to participate in the vote for the French personalities to be included in the French people infobox. Regards! The Ogre (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area

Hi, I'd appreciates some help in adding the French départements to this list. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Louis XIV

Members of this project may be interested at a discussion going on at the Louis XIV talk page. If you have anything to add to this obscure discussion, additional opinions would be welcome. Coemgenus 16:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Being a rather long thread and, hence, more difficult to follow all the arguments on either side of the debate(s), these have been summarized on the next thread. Lil' mouse 3 (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Latin Europe

Hello WikiProject France/Archive 3! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


Could I have a hand translating the excellent French history articles:

Neddyseagoon - talk 12:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be coping very well on your own - but I'll take a look this weekend at any redlinks you've left Dickie (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. The French articles on the brothers, I've found, largely duplicates that on fr:Famille Chouan, so it might be worth translating those into Chouan family and creating redirects, rather than producing 3 stubs. Otherwise, it's just fr:Chouannerie that's proving a bit too long for me - I've translated the headings but no more. Neddyseagoon - talk 10:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Manual of Style

While we at WP:France have elaborated some spelling/naming conventions (Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Conventions), I wonder if it would not be more helpful for the entire EN Wiki to create a French-related Manual of Style page (like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Arabic), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles), etc.) and move our conventions there. What do you all think? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

There's plenty to put in such a page. The conventions doesn't go far enough, imo. I had a problem with (what the English call ethel, the œ ligature, and couldn't find info. anywhere. As I can't type it easily, I've replaced all encounters with it by 'oe' (see Jacques Coeur, for example). Same applies with c-cidilla, the circonflex, e-grave, the double-dot (Umlaut in German), in words like Noel, Citroen etc etc. If one can't type it, how does one search for it ? Dickie (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
'ë' is Alt+0235, it's just a question of learning the Alt+ codes to get the desired accents etc. I'd say that if a word has a letter with an accent in French, then it should always be used in English articles as it is spelled in French. One can always italicise words borrowed from French to show that they are not English words - e.g. Viaduc, which should be easily recognised as meaning viaduct but also recognised as being a French word (Translations can be given in brackets if necessary). Mjroots (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of the average user who might fail to find, on a search (for example) 'Sœurs de Saint Bartélémy' because they have never heard of 'Alt + 0nnn' ! Dickie (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
One solution is to create the article with the correct title - Réseau Breton and a redirect without the accents - Reseau Breton. Mjroots (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Which potentiaaly means a vast number of redirects, but Wikipedia is not paper, so a good solution I should think. Emeraude (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
For accents and whatnot, the redirect solution has always been the best. Re: the idea of a "manual of style" - would it be better as "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French)" or as "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France-related)"? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I vote for the latter, similar to the (Ireland-related....) Dickie (talk) 16:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes the best option is to move WP:FR/CON to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French). This is also a good opportunity to thoroughly review its content with debates etc. (as Captain scarlet noted at the talk page). I would personally like to get rid of comma disambiguation once and for all. ChrisDHDR 17:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
So I guess we have a number of options: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France-related), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French/France-related), Wikipedia:Manual of Style (French & France-related). I have a rough draft of a MOS page ready, but which name should I choose? - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French-related) is the best option. Its title represents both subjects and looks best. Note that I prefer France & French rather than French & France. ChrisDHDR 17:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I have posted a first draft at the above name. I'll give us some time to make some changes and then this weekend (1) make redirects from WPFrance/Conventions to the MOS, (2) add the proposed MOS to the bottom of the MOS template (proposals) and (3) post a RfC at the appropriate Style page. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it of been better to of moved WP:FR/CON so the page history could be kept. The page should be deleted (keep a copy on your computer), WP:FR/CON moved there and you can read your changes. ChrisDHDR 18:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... ok then please wait for a speedy delete of my blanked page before I make the move.- NYArtsnWords (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Move accomplished - NYArtsnWords (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I have added RfCs and added MOSFR to the MOS template (proposal section). I encourage all editors to give their two cents on all style/format issues so that we can develop some clear guidelines. The MOSFR page will (I hope) also be a better place to discuss specific issues of anglicization and French usage with input by non WP:France editors. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 17:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

British or American forms

Is there any particular WikiProject France preference on whether France-related articles should be drafted with American or British English forms? There's an edit-war going on at Gare de Lyon-Part-Dieu over the issue. Jkatzen (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

WPFrance doesn't have a pref, but the Wikipedia Manual of Style gives some guidelines: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English : "The English Wikipedia has no general preference for a major national variety of the language... An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation." Check out that page for more info. Hope that helps. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Personally I'd let proximity decide - so I'd expect articles about Mexico or Brazil to be in US English and articles about France to be in British English. You could certainly argue that Aquitaine, Brittany and the Pas de Calais have particularly "strong ties" to England in particular, and the invasion by Ryanair means that Britons heavily outnumber North Americans when it comes to numbers living or holidaying in France. Conversely in somewhere like Cancun you'll find many more North Americans (but still a surprising number of Brits), and you'd expect that article to be in US English. Just my view, anyhow. FlagSteward (talk) 18:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Template change?

On behalf of Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes, I suggest that the template WikiProject France have an option for the French communes task force, even though it is a project. Tell me what you think... Basketball110 15:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Setting it up now. John Carter (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It is indeed best to add the subproject to the main template . Fully support this ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Basketball110 16:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It can be seen at User:John Carter/France banner, and seen in use on the talk page. Any objections to the current setup? John Carter (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Healthcare in France

Hi. I am not sure of the best place to post this request - please move it if this is not the correct location. There are a number of articles on the healthcare systems in various countries (Healthcare in the United States, Healthcare in the United Kingdom, Healthcare in Sweden, Healthcare in Canada, Health care in China and so on). There is no Healthcare in France article - this is just a redirect to Minister of Health (France), which is not the same topic. I have started an article at User:Neil/Healthcare in France, and intend to work on this article for a few weeks until it is ready to move into article space. The French-language article (fr:Système de santé français) is just a very short stub, so little help there. Any assistance (see also the talk page) would be welcome. Merci beaucoup. Neıl 19:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Neil - you might want to use Sécurité sociale en France. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I have put in another translation request, as my French isn't good enough for accurate translation. Neıl 23:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Assessment bot

Hi guys. I notice that you have one or two unassessed articles. :-))) I've just had User:FlagBot approved, which I wrote for the Italy Project. It works in two parts - first it reads in all the articles in a Project, and analyses them for how many headings, images, references etc they have. Then based on that it has a go at assessing them for Stub or Start-ness - it uses fairly tight criteria so the false positive rate is considerably less than 1%, but it leaves around 20% unassessed, either in the grey area between Stub and Start, or the one where something's heading towards a B. Then, if it can find a commune infobox with a population in it, it will try to assign an importance based on population - for the Italy Project it uses <15000 for Low, 25000<Mid<75000, High >125000. I note 100k is High here by definition, and I'd obviously have a trial run with the already assessed articles just to tweak the parameters for this Project. Also it obviously doesn't really cope well with "unnaturally" important villages and small towns, but in practice that doesn't seem to have been much of a problem for the Italy Project, and people can always review the list of assessed articles and promote the ones that deserve it - I eyeball the list myself before running it.
If nothing else it makes manual assessment a whole lot more interesting because it gets the no-brainer village stubs out of the way, :-)) but on the assumption that a big chunk of your Unassesseds are transwikied commune articles, FlagBot could make a serious dent in the amount to be assessed. Think about it anyhow - it won't be for a few weeks as I've got my hands full with the Italy Project right now (and haven't actually run FlagBot yet on the 1500-odd articles that are waiting for it), but I thought if I flagged it up now, then people might want to have a bit of a purge on adding infoboxes to any communes that haven't got them yet - I know I've seen a few around the place. And of course it assumes that people are interested in me running Flagbot on France? FlagSteward (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

There's other criteria for city importance than simple population numbers - Take Saint-Tropez for example, whose wee population (on a France-wide comparison standard) is by far outweighed by its fame as a summer resort. Rather, I think it would be a good idea to base article importance on the number of visits to the article itself - but I'm not sure that this sort of thing is easy to register on wikipedia... Jimmy? THEPROMENADER 18:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a reasonable concern, but in practice it wasn't much of an issue in the Italy Project, there were something like 12 St Tropez-style underestimates out of 2300 articles. I can accept that there's maybe more places like that in France than Italy that are particularly notable to anglophone readers, but don't forget that I will be eyeballing the assessments manually before setting the bot in action. And anyone else is free to do the same - even if it takes an hour to scan 10,000 articles and tweak the assessments of the likes of St Tropez, it would take 100+ hours (and the loss of your will to live :-) )to assess 10,000 articles manually, so for the same effort you're 9900 assessments ahead of the game. :-)) I accept that there's an element of "trust me" here, but once I've done the Italy articles you can mebbe be reassured. FlagSteward (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Several articles in WP:FR are made up of lists, so they might be long, with several headings but still be a stub! So here something more needs to be done. Also number of links to the article could also be some hint to its importance, not sure how you can calculate that though. In general I feel your bot could be helpful in assessing between stub and start class. --STTW (talk) 19:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we may as well give it a try, it could only do good. Of course, like everything, it's not perfect and will get some wrong - yet that is grossly outweighed by all the work it will do. As for the criteria, 3 headers, 1 ref and 1 image is a bit small - how about 5 headers, 3 refs and 2 images? ChrisDHDR 21:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
PS: I would like to get the Newsletter up and running again - any help would be appreciated.
Picking up on a few points. Lists can't be Stubs - or Starts or B's or As or GAs or FAs for that matter, they should be assessed as either List or FL. The exact parameters would be fiddled with on a per-Project basis, just to try and get the best match with the already assessed articles. For instance, the Italy Project comuni articles tend to have demographic timelines which add 2kb to the article but don't affect stubbiness much, so I subtracted those, whereas I note that the guys tend to be quite free at adding empty sections, so yes I'd allow for that. Whatever is the best empirical match for the existing data - although bear in mind that the Start criteria allow for a Start with just one "gathered material" ie an image, certainly an article with 2 inline refs and an image would be close to a Start by most standards. I'll let the data decide though, no preconceptions. On the page hits thing, there is a limited service at - but it's not really intended for bulk use. Over on the Wine Project we've toyed with using it to at least decide priorities for things like Wine Improvement Drives, just on the really Top priority articles. It would be interesting to do a sweep of the Lows to find the unexpectedly popular ones, but I'm not sure that server is up to it yet. And it suffers from the "St Tropez" problem, only worse - by that metric Carla Bruni (296k hits in January) is more than twice as important as Nicolas Sarkozy (127k)!!! I think there's definitely scope to do something there in the future, to modify priorities, but I don't think it's ready for assessments with no human intervention. FlagSteward (talk) 01:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject France: Articles of unclear notability


there are currently 56 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Names of country articles (Ireland)

This post does not directly concern French topics but might benefit from the fresh perspectives of editors of French articles getting involved.

I have proposed that the articles “foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland; civil service of the Republic of Ireland and public service of the Republic of Ireland" be renamed in each case by deleting the words “the Republic of”.

The main article concerning the Irish state is called Republic of Ireland because the island of Ireland already occupies the Ireland page. I do not propose to move this. However, the correct name of the Irish state is simply "Ireland". "Republic of Ireland" is not correct. This is discussed at length at an article I contributed to, Names of the Irish state. If you are sufficiently interested, you may wish to read the Names of the Irish state article and then contribute your opinions, whatever they may be here. Irish contributors are always a small minority on WP and even the most rational edits often get 'voted down' for essentially political reasons. I think I've put forward pretty convincing reasons for the three moves (and only three moves - try not to be distracted by the smokescreens of those opposed to the moves). I appreciate few French people are even likely to read this post so we will all still bring our English-speaking perspectives to the debate. However, I am desperate for the level of debate concerning this matter to improve (much of the discussion has consisted of stale rantings over Irish history and politics). Many thanks if you decide to get involved. Redking7 (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thierry Gilardi

Hey, I recently created an article on recently deceased football commentator Thierry Gilardi. I'd love to get the article to DYK status, and there seems to be some good references on the French page, in addition to just general information, to draw from. I, however, don't speak French. I was wondering if anybody can maybe help me put together a DYK-worthy article on him. matt91486 (talk) 00:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Catherine de' Medici/archive1

I would very much appreciate any input from members of the project. Many thanks. qp10qp (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

FA Review

TGV is now under FA Review, for anyone who wants to contribute to the review. Noble Story (talk) 02:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Franco-Provençal language

Salut ! Perhaps the Franco-Provençal language article is within the scope of WikiProject France and should be added. Someone other than myself should make this decision. Regards, Charvex (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I'm pretty sure Franco-Provencal is within the scope of WP France. It's been added to the project...Lazulilasher (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Pied-noir nominated for FA

Hi All,

Just writing to let you know that I nominated Pied-noir for FA. Feel free to leave a note at the FAC page. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Politics of French Polynesia

Please see my request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Polynesia#French Polynesian politics. Many of the articles on French Polynesian politics need to be updated and cleaned up as a result of frequent changes of government over the last few years.-gadfium 21:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, we're talking about you guys :)

Please join the conversation at WT:MoS#Appropriate use of capitalization in French titles and style from 1589 to 1830. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 21:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Laboratoire parole et langage

I suggest redirecting this to the University of Provence page. BTW it seems to have been created by one member of the centre [13].Zigzig20s (talk) 02:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

French Guiana in the Dutch Empire

Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes significative parts of French Guiana. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

New Map square=tradingpost (Red4tribe (talk) 16:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Still OR, POV and unsourced (yours is not not a credible source). Please discuss stuff at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map. This was just a request for comment, not a discussion. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC) (credible source) (Red4tribe (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Wallis and Futuna

An anon edited this article to say that there was no current King of Alo. This presumably means that Soane Patita Maituku has died, but I can find no coverage of this. Most likely this is vandalism and I have reverted the edit, but could someone check French-language news sources for any mention? Thanks-gadfium 20:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems he has died (19th Feb 2008) see World for more. Dickie (talk) 09:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.-gadfium 19:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello, I've noticed by 'surfing' around a bit recently that many of the English pages related to Bordeaux are incomplete (stubs), or just missing altogether. Today, I translated the French page on the Tramway line A, but that's just a first step considering that the French wikipedia has an extensive coverage of Bordeaux transit, with pages for every tramway stop. There's a fair amount of other stuff, too, if you're looking for something to help with on this WikiProject. Detgfrsh (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Vichy France's currency

what sort of legal issues might be involved with me uploading a photo of a coin in my collection?--Marhawkman (talk) 08:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this currency is not in circulation, poses no possible interest for counter fitting, is no longer legal tender[14], and that the government that issued it has long since disappeared, I don't think there should be any problem. The best option would be to tag it with {{Non-free currency}}. ChrisDHDR 11:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thanks. :) But would non-free be appropriate for a photo I made myself? Or is it because of the subject of the photo?--Marhawkman (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It is the object of the photo that is the most important. If you take a picture of Mickey Mouse, Warner Bros still has the copyright. ChrisDHDR 13:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. I guess it can't be free without the consent of whoever made the thing. (BTW Mickey Mouse is copyrighted by DISNEY not Warner Bros.. :P ) --Marhawkman (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

It's rough around the edges

Somebody please work on List of basic France topics. The Transhumanist 01:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try, but I don't exactly get what you mean. Any suggestions in particular? ChrisDHDR 13:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I too just took a look at it and compared the list to others in the same category. The list in question appears relatively comprehensive. Is there anything that you would like to see added? I'd be happy to work on it if you'd like. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


I cannot seem to get the Foot notes to line up as hyper-links on the Powder Magazine at Grenelle. I did add them again separately as references. I would appreciate if someone would help, as I have more things to add but I see no reason to continue at this time until it gets fixed. Please forgive me. I am a bit illiterate around here, but I am doing the best that I can. Thanks in advance.Bigjoe5216 (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made some minor changes. See if that is what you were looking for. Kiwipete (talk) 04:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit, also to be held in Cebu. The Philippine Wikipedia Community is an Implementing Partner of the Open Source Summit. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to meet people from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. You can register for the Open Source Summit here. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community

Louvre at FAC

Salut! I nominated the Louvre article at FAC today, so please feel free to come and take a look at the article or leave a comment on the [[15]]. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested

Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Rendundant templates

Part of a series on the
History of France
National EmblemNational EmblemNational Emblem
France portal

{{Governments of France}}


I think the template on the left (Governments of France) is unneeded. It is just a subset of the one on the right, so I can't see any reason why it would be used instead. May I propose they be merged?

Also, since almost everyone of those entries is going to have a dominant Template:Infobox Former Country (which is a long, right aligned column as well) in the top right, could I recommend converting the "History of France" template into a Template:Navbox, thus allowing it to be stacked with other templates at the bottom of the page? Oberiko (talk) 11:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Green Maps of France with French cities

There is something wrong with the way these maps work out in the info box. The map that should show the location of Montpellier, Perpignan, ... only shows a small Northern part of the graphic (Southern England and a bit of Northern France). According to the discussion at Montpellier, this must have been so since January 2008! --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

This problem has been known for quite a while at {{French commune}} (since oct. 2007!). If you know a possible solution, don't hesitate to try it out. Otherwise, I don't know what to say. ChrisDHDR 19:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
You may replace the "lat_long" and "map" parameters by "latitude" and "longitude" (decimal), a map is provided by the infobox; see Montpellier now. — M-le-mot-dit (T) 15:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
That's one solution, I guess - remove the offending image. I tried all sorts of options to get this to work but had to admit defeat ! Perpignan has the same problem with its map. BTW, as penices don't invade inland to Montpellier very often, I changed the word back to the rev. of Nov 2007 - pirates Dickie (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 3840 articles assigned to this project, or 7.1%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox:French commune

Something odd seems to have occurred with the map on the infobox - the coordinates (lat & long) appear lower than they should. I'm working on communes in the Pas-de-Calais, but the red dot is appearing approx 4mm lower on the map, in the Somme department, in the Picardie region. This is happening before I've done any editing at all - see Saint-Pol-sur-Ternoise. Anyone any thoughts on this ? Dickie (talk) 12:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Answered my own question - User Ventura has changed the map ! (in the protected Template:Location map France). Toulon is 30 miles out to sea ! I hope to get this change reverted.

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics

This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist 10:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Marie Gasquet, Joachim Gasquet

Would anyone be interested in finding more references for these two writers? The pages on the French Wikipedia are not referenced; it is not easy finding any, tbh. Having said that, a fair number of streets and other places bear their names. I think it would be interesting to expand their pages.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

  • The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
  • The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
  • A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 21:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


Would anyone care to create categories for reqphotoins in France by region or departement? I think that would make it easier to find them. Similarly finetuned categories exist for other countries.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Bordeaux Tramway

I've been making articles for the stations on the Bordeaux tramway and wanted to know if anyone is interested in helping out. I've done Template:Tramway de Bordeaux B and part of Template:Tramway de Bordeaux C but need to do most of Template:Tramway de Bordeaux A. The translations are pretty simple and regular across most pages so not much French is needed. I tend to do it by editing the French page to add its page number as an EN interwiki and then copying and translating. I've been leaving the article names exactly the same since the "Tramway de Bordeaux" dab phrase is the same we use for the article and it keeps linking the same. gren グレン 04:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject notification bot

There is currently a proposal for a bot that would notify WikiProjects when their articles have entered certain workflows, e.g. when they are nominated for deletion or for Good article reassessment.

The question is whether a relevant number of wikiprojects would be interested in using such a bot. You can find details of the functionality, and leave your comments, at the bot request page.

I am posting this message to the 20 largest WikiProjects (by number of articles), since they would be the most likely users. Thanks, --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

L'Occitane en Provence

Hi, everyone, I come to seek a help for L'Occitane en Provence, international beauty and body care company. The article has undergone drastic changes due to copyviolation or advertising-like descriptions on the subject. Although it has been expanded by a couple of editors, I think it deserves to get more attention since it is notable (not much like Body Shop though), and someone requests it to have IPA. Can anyone help add it to the article? And if anyone interested in the subject, please implement the article. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 02:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


This article is a copyvio of an English translation on a French webpage here of an original article by a French local historian. The translation is also rudimentary- it reads like a machine translation. I accessed this article because of the connection between Pont de l'Arche and the Battle of Bosworth Field (Henry's French pikemen came from a disbanded camp there). It seems a shame for the article to be in this shape, but a bit daunting for a non-specialist like me to do anything to correct the situation. Ning-ning (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ning-ning. Thanks for bringing this up. I am a bit busy until the middle of this weekend, but should be able to take a look at the article in depth and see what I can do. Again, thanks for bringing this to our attention here. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 04:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
The March 5th 2007 anonymous contribution was probably done with the best intentions, by a non-native English speaker. The French wikipedia fr:Pont-de-l'Arche version developing from 21 Sept 2005 onwards seems to have formed the basis for the French version of the French webpage, IMO.
Whichever was first, the English article is poor and in need of attention, but I'm still busy concentrating on the Pas-de-Calais communes. Dickie (talk) 08:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I took a look at this yesterday. My guess is that the linked French page is actually a poor translation of the French version. I will try and smooth out our translation and bring up to speed. It might take a bit, though. (talk) 12:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Argh...grrr, that was me above--forgot to log in. Lazulilasher (talk) 12:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Pro: Berlaymont

Could a French speaker please give an IPA and ogg audio file for name Berlaymont? As the pronunciation is different from what would be assumed in English, I think it might help. Thanks.

Could one please do the same with Parc du Cinquantenaire? Thanks. - SSJ  22:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Done for Parc du Cinquantenaire. It is: /paʀk də sɛ̃kɑ̃tnɛʀ/. I'm not too sure about the first. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I can't write it in IPA, but my phonetics go: Ber Le Moh. Though that probably means anything. Anyone here from Brussels? Thanks for Parc du Cinquantenaire! - J Logan t: 21:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Right, I usually just look it up in the dictionary and then copy the IPA pronunciation into the article using the {{IPA}} template. However, this is a proper noun. I could probably cobble it together, although I wouldn't be sure of the accuracy. Also, check out WP:IPA, that helps a bit, too. Happy to help. Let me know if there's anything else. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I was thinking that we might be able to reorganize ourselves a bit as a project. For example, posts to our internal peer review are often left dangling (I just archived a bunch). This is in contrast, to Wikiproject Chicago which has instituted an internal forum where all FACs/Peer Reviews/GANs, etc that relate to the project are listed. This seems like a convenient way to generate colloborative work.

I was wondering if anyone would be onboard to consider a similar process for us?

WP:Chicago also organizes a colloboration of the week. Would anyone be interested in doing something similar, but along the lines of a bi-weekly article drive?

Just curious! Lazulilasher (talk) 16:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I do think some reorganis/zation is necesary. Frankly I have found it quite hard to navigate around the project pages and am still a bit unclear about what to add or update where. More clarity can only help to increase participation. Mcewan (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

French architecture is in serious need of help

It's in sad shape, needs a lead, has several empty sections, etc.

(I noticed it while working on List of basic France topics).

The Transhumanist 04:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Review Department

So, as I mentioned above, I was looking at WP:CHICAGO and became impressed with their Review Department which provides a convenient collection of current articles undergoing either internal peer-reviews or external GAN, FAC, etc. This allows their project members to be aware of current articles, with the ultimate goal of producing more featured content relating to Chicago.

I made a rough draft of what something similar would look like for our project, and I'd like to do it, but first I'd like to check consensus. The draft is in my Userspace. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Marquis de Lafayette

Just to let everyone here know, Wikipedia:Spotlight is going to be working on the article Gilbert du Motier, marquis de La Fayette, which, per a talk page template, falls under this Wikiproject; while we will certainly not be the only ones editing the article during this time, if anyone here is interested in the article and would like to join our effort, we use the IRC room #wikipedia-spotlight. Thanks!--danielfolsom 18:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Translation / Traduction

I come here to see if somebody could be interested to translate an article from French to English.
It is fr:Bataille de Latroun (1948) that is a "stub" here : Battle of Latrun (1948).
Thanks / Merci
Ceedjee (talk) 09:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

List of windmills in France

I've been working on these, and have now almost finished converting the various lists into table form. It would be appreciated if more photographs of the various windmills could be added to the various articles. Mjroots (talk) 20:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci peer review

Any comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Leonardo da Vinci/archive3 would be most appreciated. It's a vital article, so it would be nice to get as many views as possible. Thanks. Papa November (talk) 08:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Russian offices in France

Hello WikiProject France. I am working on a list article Diplomatic missions of Russia and in desperate need of photos. Would any project members be in the position to be able to help with photos of:

Any help anyone can give would be appreciated. Regards --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 05:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

CFD to rename WWII Francs Tireurs category

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Category:Members of the FTP has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 10:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

LANG template

Please be aware of {{lang}}, for marking up non-English words or phrases. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 17:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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