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Archives from August 2008 - Current


Featured pictures

Some good news here with an apology for not having dropped by sooner. Your project page lists only three featured pictures. Actually there are several more that relate to your project. Below is a gallery of image restorations I've done in the past few months that relate to your project. Best wishes, and there may be more soon. DurovaCharge! 20:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

For that matter, there's several high-quality engravings of the Franco-Prussian war that are featured =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Featured sounds

I've been a bit helpful and updated your list. We have a number of French Featured Sounds now. We could use more, though: Feel free to nominate some! Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Which date format to use?

There is an ongoing debate at the talk page for WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) as to whether to use day-month-year or month-day-year date format in articles with a strong tie to a specific country. The debate has reached the point where the choice is between the format actually used in the country, or dependent on the variety of English used in articles about that country. This is straightforward for countries such as the U.S.A. or the U.K., but problematic when considering countries where English is not an official language. With the removal of date autoformatting, editors will increasingly see dates presented in "raw" form, rather than as set in user preferences. The current proposal is found here. --Pete (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Bizarre calendar articles

Please help Someone should take a look at French Republican Calendar/Yx and the articles linked to it from the template at the bottom. They include some really bizarre trilingual content. If you need me, please post on my talk. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 08:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the month (e.g. Vendémiaire) and day (e.g. Primidi) names, these are what they were called - because this calendar was such a bizarre and short-lived thing, they are intrinsically just-about-untranslateable. However I agree this could be better presented on the page itself. Mcewan (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
It's complicated. I have never been able to truly get my head wrapped around the concept of non-Gregorian calenders. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
If you whant an exemple of use ofg this calendar you can look here :
9 brumaire an III = 30 octobre 1794
Some french people always use it for fun is their mail/news reader. Yves-Laurent (talk) 07:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


I left a short note here - it may be that few people are watching it. Ben MacDui 08:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Stubs needed: Canals of Paris

We have an okay stub on Canal Saint-Martin, but we still need Canal Saint-Denis, Canal de l'Ourcq, and Bassin de la Villette (and possibly others - I don't know.) (Please add any others needed below.)
fr.wikipedia has good articles on these that we can translate, and nice Wikimedia Commons photos that we can use - might take only a half-hour or an hour of work to give us here at en.wikipedia good articles on these.
Thanks -- (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I might be able to take a look at this, after I finish off Communes of Pas-de-Calais in the next couple of days. If anyone else wants to beat me to it - that'd be fine ! Dickie (talk) 07:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'm gonna bite. Canal Saint-Denis should be blue in a moment. Anyone want to proofread when these are done? Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I also recommend we work on translating Navette fluviale sur la Seine. Looks like a good article. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Nice work! I'll have a go at proof-reading now Mcewan (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Done. Hope that's OK Mcewan (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, is "deviation" correct for canal de déviation? I wasn't sure how to translate it. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Mmmm. Déviation on a road sign is a "detour", but that's not quite right for a canal. "Divert" might be useful somewhere. I'll keep thinking. Mcewan (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, what is a "gare de l'eau"? Is it pumping station? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Not certain. but much more likely to be a "port", or "berth" (i.e. the canal equivalent of a railway "gare") Mcewan (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
See what you think opf the current version's rendering Mcewan (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! Copy editing looks good. I'm starting on Canal de l'Ourcq, but it's a fairly long article and will probably take me awhile. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I've started translation of the Ourcq article in my Sandbox, feel free to add to it! Lazulilasher (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
DYK? By the way, I think all of these articles would be good candidates for DYK. We just need to finish the translation, look at sources, cite, and write hooks. Here are two good sources I got on Google Books: [1] and [2]. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad I brought this up! Looks like there is "stuff" here to work on. :-) Thanks to all working on this! -- (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

- "Canal de déviation" is a "shortcut"?? (Guessing based on some descriptions I've read.)
- Re "gare de l'eau": In castles that have a door opening directly onto a moat or river, this is sometimes called in English a "water gate". I've no idea whether this is relevant. (E.g., Newport Castle says that this castle has a "water-gate or dock".) -- (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
A Gare d'eau is certainly where barges would tie up to be loaded/unloaded, but Gare de l'eau - not sure. Dickie (talk) 09:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Storming of the bastille

Could someone check the translation of the captions at Image:Storming the bastille 4.jpg? Narayanese (talk) 02:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi - here's my tupp'orth:
Caption one, first sentence : The citizens of Paris led by the Gardes Françaises on 14 July 1789 - (led is simpler than having at their head (IMO)) (The rest is OK (ish))
Caption two should be in the present tense: This is how we punish traitors
Cheers Dickie (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, will copy your translation. I'm quite sure prise doesn't mean prison, so I'll change it to storming (revert me if I'm wrong). Narayanese (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
prise means literally "to take", but as a noun it can mean "storming", as in la prise de la Bastille, thus your use of "storming" is correct. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Project Redesign Discussion

It appears that we're starting to pick up some incrased collaboration here (see above regarding canals). In that spirit, I'd like to begin a discussion regarding the redesign of the project, in order to further increase such colloboration. I have redesigned the project page (see draft on my userspace), and would like to implement a review department similar to Military History and Chicago, in order that articles can get increased momentum and knowledgeable input through the review processes. I believe this would help us create the most informative and accurate encyclopedia on French topics. Also, I was wondering how everyone felt about trying to create a "Collaboration Department", where we nominate articles on a roughly bi-weekly schedule. These articles would then be focused on by the community. Any other ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the redesign - nice work. One thing that I find slightly confusing (in the old design as well) is the relationship of infobox-type insert on the right of the page to the page itself. While it's technically very clever, I would prefer just to see the contained information in the text of the pag (or as links). This might just be my inexperience, however.
Review department seems like a good idea.
Collaboration Department - possibly, but I personally tend to wander off on all sorts of tangents, so would not necessarily be able to contribute every time. Cheers Mcewan (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Considering the Collaboration department, how about just having a sub-header discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter with the next target article appearing in the newsletter? It would probably also be a good way to insure that the newsletter stays alive.
  • New project page: How about making the intro stand out a bit more? I'm not to sure how exactly though.
  • I also removed a few external links... Good luck, ChrisDHDR 14:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I remove the WP:France-related topics notice board link as that page is marked as superseded (although there are a lot of links to it). Should I update them? Mcewan (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for replying everyone! Chris, thanks for removing the links. I agree re: the subheader in the newsletter, good idea. I'll make the intro stand out more. McEwan, I agree about the navigation box. I've been thinking about updating it a bit. I think it should definitely be shorter--the navigation template hasn't been updated since March. Hmm...maybe it could be removed, but I think it's userful to have a navigation template. Would you like it more at the top/bottom of the page? Lazulilasher (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
At the top I think (but I may well not be representative). And preferably in everyproject page. When I click a link in it and it disappears, it loses my trust, as it were, as a navigation aid. Mcewan (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Other Idea: the members page Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Members is a bit of a mess. There are 3 separate sections (Active, Inactive and a table) that all contradict one another. The table is probably the best representation, but it appears at the bottom. It's also a shame that new users have to do quite a tricky edit to get into the table. Yet another view of members (generated from user page categories I presume) can be had at and of course this is a different set from the other page. This all conspires to leave a not-very-favourable impression on a new member. I'd be willing to help with sorting this out, but don't quite know where to start Mcewan (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
McEwan, go ahead and do what you're able to the members page. I've looked at it as well, and am perplexed as to why there are 3 different categories. Agreed--it leaves a disorganized impression to a new member. Ok, I'm still in the process of updating the new project page draft, check it out here. I'm going to add tabs to the top, then I think we can finally get rid of the sidebar...Lazulilasher (talk) 19:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I really like the way this is going now. Has a very clean, modern look. Mcewan (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Redesign Draft

Ok, I have a draft pretty well set-up in my userspace. I've used a tab design (to eliminate the sidebar that people seemed not to like), as well as transcluded pages (making editing the actual pages easier). I think this provides a much cleaner and easier design. Let me know if you like it, and I will begin to import. Notes: to edit the sections, just click on the small "edit" in the top right. Note also: Not all of the tabs/links are going to work properly until the draft is imported into the projectspace. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Looking very good indeed. Would a link to (sorry couldn't construct a proper wikilink) be useful somewhere? There's some stuff in that I don't quite understand yet. Also (minor) the userboxes appear below the awards text. Great work, again. Mcewan (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Ya, it would. I'm going to add that and an "Open Tasks" to the announcements section. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to look at everything yet, but at first glance the new design looks nice. As stated above, WP:France-related topics notice board and Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project are both long dead. so make sure there are no more active links to them. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 23:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Ya, sadly they are. What do you think about France tasks? It's not really been actively updated often. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There should be place to go to find requests like that - useful for a newcomer like me looking for basic tasks. I used that list to start working on Antoine de la Sale, for instance. However lists generated from page tags would be preferable. Is it possible to generate a list of intersections of tags? Mcewan (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There's a bot currently in development which will be able to automatically generate such lists--however, it's not currently operable. In the interim, I'll add the open tasks template into the new design. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Also see Mcewan (talk) 23:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the best translation request list is this one. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I added the France tasks template back on....Mcewan, since you're observing the feeds, would you mind updating the template from time to time? It doesn't seem to done to often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I will certainly have a go. There seems to be some overlap between the above translation lists anyway. And also with our requests for articles (which are often translations) Mcewan (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Ya, there is. We really need someone with a good eye (hint hint) to update lists to keep them accurate. The current task template hasn't changed in a long while. I remember when I was a newbie, I used it for a work-list, also. It could be much more valuable if it were updated by someone who keeps an eye on the feed, and add/removes articles often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Heh, hint taken. I'll do what I can. Mcewan (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Right now, I'm taking articles from the Top Importance France category and adding them to the template....seems like a good enough place to start :) Lazulilasher (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
(undent) one thing that other projects do is a "Tag & Assess Drive" where a few weeks are spent by the project members combing through the articles to assess and tag them, in order that collaboration become more organized. I would consider perhaps doing that after we get the redesign up.

Everyone seems generally OK with the new design, so barring any notifications, I think I am going to import the new design tomorrow AM. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Style for arrondissements

I see in the new stub Canal Saint-Denis that 19th arrondissement is in redlink as of today, however we do have an article at XIXe arrondissement.
So, IMHO we need to:
(1) Make sure that we are using a standard format for the titles of all the articles on arrondissements (Arab numerals or Roman numerals)

I'm seeing the style 4th arrondissement of Paris for at least some of these.

(2) (Probably) include in WikiProject France's info a recommendation for which format shall be preferred on Wikipedia.
(3) Make sure that there are redirects from one format to the other for all titles of articles on arrondissements . (Newbies? Want to help out but don't feel confident of tackling anything complicated yet? Your chance. :-) )
(Cf. Arrondissements, Arrondissements of France, Municipal arrondissement, Municipal arrondissements of France, Arrondissements of Paris, and others.)
Thanks, all. -- (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (France & French-related) ChrisDHDR 14:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
As a side note, I've noticed this before. For whatever reason, it's nearly impossible to get the arrondissements link right....Lazulilasher (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems that the 4th arrondissement of Paris article was moved by one unfamiliar with Roman numerals - but the author of this action didn't seem to dare port his changes to all similar articles. One method or the other would do - but I suggest that a 'secondary' method - Roman or Numerical - redirect to the dominant other. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 05:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Some are redirected, others are not (I think). Lazulilasher (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


While we're in re-design mode, I see that there's a WikiProject for Monaco. Should we remove Monaco from our remit? I don't have strong feelings either way. Mcewan (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I didn't know there was a WikiProject Monaco. I would suggest that, yes, we do. However, we should ask over there what they think, also. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Seems to be a child of a European Microstates project. I'll let you do the talking :) Mcewan (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the Monaco WP is mainly inactive. I move we keep things as they are, for the time being. Until that project starts to get off the ground, at least. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


There seemed to be support for the redesign in the above conversation, so I have imported the design from my userspace to the Project. As it is new, please note any errors or mistakes. Perhaps we can now start working on the Newsletter? Lazulilasher (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

From the looks of the project's page, I take it that there are some fans of WikiProject Physics here? Headbomb {ταλκWP Physics: PotW} 07:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Yep, and some WP:MILHIST, also. :) Lazulilasher (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for France

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7. We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations. A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

{{tl:France tasks}} was updated with the articles on the above list. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The Bald Eagle is secretly French

As evidenced by the Talk:Bald Eagle page category list. This article is in the Wikipedia 0.7 selection. I think it's caused by it being in the St Pierre and Miquelon articles category. That category has the following ancestors:

So I can see the logic, but it's a bizarre result. There are quite a few others too, many with an ornithological flavour - see I have absolutely no idea what to do about this, so I thought I would just point it out. Mcewan (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of curiosities in the WPFrance template tagging (go through the Category:B-Class France articles or Category:Start-Class France articles to see many). Should German language really be included in WikiProject France? Should Aga Khan IV? There are many like this where the tagging has a certain logic, and yet....- NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Well I'm still trying to figure this out, but I think there two separate problems -
  • German language and Aga Khan IV are directly tagged, and the correctness or otherwise of that tagging can be discussed and the articles changed if necessary. So, while it might turn out to be contentious, fixing it is easy.
  • The Bald Eagle, on the other hand, inherits his Frenchness by occasionally visiting St Pierre and Miquelon, via the category hierarchy. This inheritance is generally a good thing, otherwise WP:WikiProject French communes etc would drop out of the parent category, but with obviously daft unintended consequences. Fixing this is much harder because if the eagle's Caribbean trips are an ornithologically verifiable fact, then he certainly belongs in Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles, and that category certainly belongs in Category:WikiProject France. It's as if we need some way of marking the the category tag on a given page as non-transitive.
Forgive me if this all well-known and obvious, I'm still finding my way around. I suppose my concern is that if, for example, Bald Eagle ends up in a list of French articles in a DVD, it will just be ammunition for detractors. It's not so bad on a Talk page. On the upside, it's a GA :) Mcewan (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup listing

We now have a bot-reported list of related articles needing cleanup of some sort. The list is cross-referenced with importance and class parameters. Additionally, there is a list compiling the total number of tags on a particular article. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Michel Foucault FAR

Michel Foucault has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Thanks! Lesgles (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Should there be a Paris WikiProject?

I am surprised to learn that, of the European cities, Paris does not have a WikiProject. Is anyone interested in starting, at the minimum, a Paris task force? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

There is an (inactive) Paris streets task force so how about making that into a more general Paris task force? ChrisDHDR 18:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea, DHDR :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, also--hand over the Streets taskforce into a more general Parisian task force. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
When the Parisian task force is ready I'll mark lots of articles as part of the task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, let's start taking a look at what needs to be done to begin implementation--what do you think? Will we need to modify the WP:France template with a "Parisian task force" tag? I think this would be a great thing to start organizing the Parisian portion of the project. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we need a Paris task force tag - We have that with Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan, which has a Tokyo task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in response. Hmm...the template is fully protected, and I'm not sure what syntax we would use. Do you have any ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not that good at editing templates, but I am an admin, so I can edit the template. On WikiProject Japan we have tf=Tokyo as our syntax. Does WikiProject France have a tf tag? Maybe tf=Paris? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the template uses a parser function to call the bit about the task force is tf=yes or whatever. I'm not a template expert, but I think it can be done. How about I put one together in my userspace and then you can take a look at it? It'd be great to get the taskforces going here. Lazulilasher (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing! :) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I cant believe there isn't already a Paris WikiProject. I'll help out with whatever I can. Just contact me. Jordan Contribs 10:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Ok, I made a copy of our project banner in my userspace (see here: draft). I added a new parameter, modelled after WikiProject Japan's system (thank you WhisperToMe). The syntax for this new parameter will be: tf=Paris, added in the same manner as Japan's. Here is the code if anyone's interested:

And here is what the template looks like if the tf=Paris parameter is added: User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp

Let me know if there is anything else to be added. I also like how WP:Tokyo allows their tasklist to be transcluded onto the template. Maybe something to think about? Lazulilasher (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

  • So far that's great! - Maybe one more picture to add could be a Paris-related picture. I'll go add the TF Paris to a bunch of articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  • You need to edit the actual template first :) I can't do it, as it's a fully protected template. Oh, and we should create the task force, first....Lazulilasher (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, here is another version, at User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp2 that uses a Commons icon. Please note, this version uses another code for the template. The code for this is:

Please note, the main difference is that this format requires that each time we create a new taskforce, we add a bit of code which adds a new taskforce to parameter "tf". So, if we create taskforce Marseilles then we would add a similar line of code, but for Marseilles. The first draft allows any argument to be given for "tf" and creates a wikilink to whatever that argument is (which means it could be redlinked). I like the 2nd version better. Anyway, here it is: User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp2

Lazulilasher (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

  • The picture looks good! I think this is ready to be added to the code. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Go for it, remember to take out the "THIS IS A DRAFT IN LAZULI...." part :) Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Adolphe Thiers, AWB "Thiers" -> "Theirs"

  • I left a note on Talk:Adolphe Thiers about the need for a {{lang}} template on Thiers' name, whenever not part of a link... else someone will change his name to "Theirs"... Ling.Nut (talkWP:3IAR) 04:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Doing.....Done....(I believe) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Agathe de Rambaud

I'm a little out of my depth on this one, but I attempted a rewrite of an informative but poorly written article on Louis XVII's royal nurse. Unfortunately, I have little background when it comes to the French Revolution as my interests lie in WWII, so aside from tightening up the language and rearranging some pictures there was little I could do to improve the article. I added your WikiProject banner to the talk page sans assessment, but would appreciate some more eyes and hands on the article as the references aren't always clear and the bibliography is confusing as well. She seems to be an important figure in pre-French Revolution court life, and noted as well for her connection to Louis XVII impersonator Karl Wilhelm Naundorff. Thanks. AniMate 23:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A-class review proposal

A-class review

I suggest that the project start up an A-class review section for articles within its scope. At present, there is no such review area within the project. If A-class reviews were done by independent reviewers within the project, the process would run much more smoothly. Not only that, but the project would be able to maintain and keep a record of all such reviews on articles within its scope. The WikiProject France template could be updated with an A-Class=current. The process for requesting a reviw would be as follows:

  1. Add A-Class=current to the WikiProject France template at the top of the article's talk page, and click on the "currently undergoing" link that appears then write up your nomination.
  2. Add your nomination (via transclusion) to the review section.
  3. Members from the project review the article.
  4. A coordinator/member of the project closes the review, and (if successful) the article is tagged and listed as A-Class.

At present, this project does not have coordinators, as it is too small, and does not have enough participants. However, coordinators may be proposed in the future. I believe that an A-class review section would be greatly beneficial to this project. Jordan Contribs 20:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


  1. I support the initiation of an A-class review department for this project. Jordan Contribs 21:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)



Paris Task Force

Per the discussion above, WikiProject France has initiated the Paris Taskforce. The Project banner has been updated allowing articles to be tagged as part of the taskforce. To tag an article as such, add this parameter: |tf=Paris. Here is an example:

WikiProject France / Paris  (Rated Project-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 Project  This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This page has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This page is supported by the Paris task force.

Please help us prepare the new taskforce by tagging articles, proposing collaboration ideas, and updating the Taskforce Page. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Girondist: Clear definition needed in lead

Girondist does not (though IMHO should) clearly state in the lead just what ideas or positions characterized this group. Anybody?
(Obviously, please add info to that article - don't just discuss here.) -- (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)'re correct, it could use a little patching up. I am not particularly knowledgeable, I'll look and see if I can find someone who is, however. If you happen to be that person, feel free to update (hint, hint :) I'll also place the article on our list of "to-do"s to see if that garners any assistance from editors. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

A note to everyone about commune pages

WikiProject France tags should not be replaced with WP:FRCOM tags, as they are two separate projects and both tags should be on all commune pages. Just letting everyone know this.   jj137 (talk) 23:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I've actually wondered that -- I don't think I removed any tags, but this question definitely crossed my mind. Lazulilasher (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, mine too- I had to go through it to make sure I was right about it, as it was one of those times where I just stopped and thought, "Wait... what?" I'm trying to go back and add the WP:FR tags to as many pages as I can whenever I find the time, but there are so many communes it's just insane. :P   jj137 (talk) 03:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't there, at one point, a discussion about merging the projects? We could make communes a taskforce under WP France. That would eliminate the confusion. It would not, however, eliminate the need to update tags. I'm not saying I'm for/against the notion; but, it would be logical. Lazulilasher (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea. At WP:MLB a bunch of the team projects were (sort of) "merged" into the main baseball project, so we could do something like that. I don't see why the projects couldn't be merged though.   jj137 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm...I'd be up for it. Do you know any automated way in which we could update the tags? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Sort of. If you see this page, there's some syntax there we could use to add the French communes template to the WP:FR template, but the complexity of that template is beyond me. I'll ask Borgarde (who did it) if he can give us a bit of help here.   jj137 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I can add the template syntax (look just above in the "Should we have a Paris taskforce" section); we just did it...but, I am wondering if there's an automated bot of some sort which could change all of the commune tags to a new taskforce tag? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe an AWB run? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, it's not hard to implement a change at all. It's up to you what to do with the projects (whether keep them separate or have two different projects), but a moving the communes into the french banner is easy enough. I'll take a look at it and get back to you shortly.. —Borgardetalk 05:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

To note the question about removing the template as well, I'm sure a bot could do it easy enough to transfer the template to a parameter on the France banner. —Borgardetalk 05:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC) I've got one more question, now that you're here. If you notice on the template: we just added the Paris taskforce. Is there a way to have the tagged page automatically sorted into a "Paris Taskforce" category? I couldn't figure it. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I updated the template to now include communes; just add |commune=yes to the end of the WP:FR template to add the commune parameter. If anyone objects or thinks I shouldn't have done this, just say so (or revert me).   jj137 (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a go. We sent a newsletter out asking for comments and it's still only you & I here: and we agree. So, are the projects merged? Should we move the Commune Project into a task force page? I like this; I feel that the project is starting to coalesce. Thanks for the template work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, no problem, I basically just copied the part for the Paris task force and rewrote it. The actual projects merging may be more of a difficult task, simply because it seems the WP:FRCOM project is relatively large. I do like the idea of the projects merging, though, and if at least a couple more people commented on that, it wouldn't take too long to merge WP:FRCOM to the main France WikiProject. The good thing is, WP:FRCOM is almost entirely communes, so it could be simply a task force/subproject. I guess I just don't like the idea of merging something of that size when only two people have even commented.   jj137 (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't either. I've not been to FRCOM. Is it active? Perhaps we should begin the process. If there is activity on that project, perhaps it could bring new blood here, too. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It's sort of active; it was very active when the pages were being created, but not nearly as much since that task was completed. It probably would bring some new blood here if we could get people active on it again, as I'm not really sure why people almost just stopped working on it completely.   jj137 (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
This user is certainly active! For the past year or so, I've been beavering away turning one-liner commune entries into a pagefull of info, mostly from the fr:wiki equivalent. (e.g.Oherville) I really don't mind under which project banner they reside. NB I believe WP:FRCOM also includes cantons, arrondissements, and communautés de communes. Dickie (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Great to see you, Dickie :) I like the idea of one project with divisions because it flows logically and provides one community discussion board. I think it may help to keep active contributors active and involved in discussion. Just an idea. Lazulilasher (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Aah, OK, sorry about that Dickie. :) I guess I really wasn't paying enough attention there. Also, I agree with you, Lazulilasher- it keeps discussion easier, and no other country's communes have separate projects, they are just a part of the main project.   jj137 (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Wow, I didn't know there was a FRCOM and FRDepartment project (thought there was only one). Would both of these be brought under the larger WP:FRANCE framework? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

It's probably academic. Wikipedia:WikiProject French départements has, I believe, finished its work. Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes, however, still has a lot of communes to bring on over to the English wiki. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh, where are they? I thought WP:FRCOM finished bringing over all of the communes, but I figured they might have missed a couple here and there (nobody's perfect :)).   jj137 (talk) 01:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. You're right to a point. There are indeed no more red links (that I can find) for French communes. But WP:Communes was also to transfer the Template:French commune infobox on all those pages (see WP page for how-to), and most of the Fr. communes lack the infobox.- NYArtsnWords (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, a lot of those pages still do not have the infobox, and about 99% of them are still very basic stubs. The bad thing is, some (key word there) of the people that worked on creating them stopped working on them after they finished creating all of them.   jj137 (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The WP French communes is still active and all French commune articles have been created. Admittedly, the Project page is not updated, but see Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes/Status for more details. You can also have a look at the history of this page to get a sense of the progress of the project. I don't mind if the French commune project is somewhat included into the main France project, but I would very much appreciate if I still could have statistics like these ones: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/French communes articles by quality statistics. Replacing the Wikiproject communes tag by a generic Wikiproject France tag seems to lead to a loss of information. Could we just keep both WikiProject France tags and WP:FRCOM tags instead of turning all tags into WikiProject France tags? Note also that the French Wikipedia has a separate Communes project [3]. olivier (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
That is a good point; I didn't think of that. Should we switch it back? I am not the most knowledgeable person. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there is a way to keep the WP:FRCOM tag on the WP:FR one without losing the WP:FRCOM data in the table you linked to. As a similar example, the WP:MLB template was recently updated to include WP:SOX, and while many talk page tags were updated for that, it seems nothing was changed on the WP:SOX table. I'm not the best person when it comes to wikisyntax, so I don't know exactly how to fix it, although I'm pretty sure there is a way. Overall, I really have no preference when it comes to whether or not the WP:FRCOM tag is separate, although if we can figure out a way to not lose those statistics for WP:FRCOM, I think it would be easier/better to keep them as one tag. I'll stop changing these talk pages until we can get some sort of (better) consensus on this.   jj137 (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks! It looks like the current WikiProject France tags are leading to a loss of data for the communes Project. Unfortunately, I do not know how to fix that either. So, since we agree, let's have both tags until the WikiProject France tags can do the job properly. olivier (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. I'll go back later today and re-add the WP:FRCOM tags to all of the pages I removed them from. Do you think it would be a good idea to remove the |commune=yes parameter from the WP:FR tags, or should I just leave them for now?   jj137 (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Wait...I'm confused (not the first time). Is the WP:France banner tag causing the problem; or is the removal of the communes tag? And to clarify: we need the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project? Sorry if I've been absent the past few days, I've been working on Marquis de Lafayette and French Revolution. Cdt, Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Jj137: I think it would be better to keep the |commune=yes parameter in the WP:FR tags for the time being. If we finally decide to only keep a fixed version of the WP:FR tags, then this parameter will be useful.
Lazulilasher: the removal of the communes tag is causing a problem at the moment, because the WP:France banner does not automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project. If this can be fixed and we can have the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project, then I think that we would have solved the problem. We probably wouldn't need the WP:FRCOM tags any longer, but only the WP:France ones with the |commune=yes parameter. Thanks all! olivier (talk) 01:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds about right. I'll go back today tomorrow (when I will have more time) and re-add the tags.   jj137 (talk) 01:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, good. I know it's possible to have the tag automatically pull in the category...that's basically what userboxes do (and the WP france banner, in general). I'm going to see if I can figure it in the next day or so. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Sounds great. I'll delay a little while updating these talk pages if you are going to try to figure it out. I just want to be certain I'm doing the correct thing on the talk pages so that I don't have to go around a third time.   jj137 (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lazulilasher! Could you find a fix to the WP:FR/WP:FRCOM template problem? I might help in automating the WP:FR substitution process with STTWbot. Also I could add "tf=Paris" to all the articles under Category:Paris if needed. --STTW (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


I think that we're building momentum on the project. I noticed that back in March, ChrisDHDR (talk · contribs) began a newsletter. I think that putting together a new newsletter might help to bring some inactive members back to the project, focus ideas about collaboration, and provide news about what we've been up to (we just added a Paris taskforce). Does anyone want to help get this together? Think it's a good idea? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I've had a look through the archives of the newsletters of other projects, so as to see what sort of format is generally used, the style of writing, and what the actual content of the newsletter should be like. Before I edit the draft, I need to check up on a few thing, namely:
  1. So far as I can determine, the last newsletter was released on 9 December 2007. Should the new members section be updated with members who have joined the project since then, or only those who joined in the last month?
  2. Will a newsletter be released every month? I believe that with the right amount of participants, this could be easily achieved.
  3. Will records be kept of all those who have received the French Barnstar of National Merit, found here, so that this information can be posted on the newsletter?

There are several other ideas and factors that need to be taken into consideration. Will recent successful Featured Article candidates be announced by the newsletter, and will Good Articles also be given recognition? I am willing to commit myself to the newsletter, and would enjoy working on it. If any other editors feel the same, could they propose any of their ideas and suggestions here on this talk page? Jordan Contribs 14:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Jordan, I am going to try and reply to your questions above. I would welcome any new members after an arbitrary cut-off: say July, 2008. Perhaps it would be a good idea to mention that we are redesigning, and hoping to build an improved platform for collaboration (and ask them to stop in!). I'd like to start releasing a newsletter at least once per month; maybe even every 2 weeks if we can manage. If anyone has received the award recently, I would note it. I would add the FA/GA noms (ask for input) AND recent promotes. Maybe we can also start getting a collaboration together? Hope this helps! Lazulilasher (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I'll get to writing it straight away. Thanks for your answers. Additional suggestions may be made at the newsletter talk page. I will be working on a rough draft on this user page. Jordan Contribs 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Affaire des caporaux de Souain needs translation

Paths of Glory says that the novel "is supposed to be inspired by a real case; the affair of the Souain corporals", and links to the fr.wikipedia article Affaire des caporaux de Souain at [4]. We apparently don't have an article on this in en.wikipedia yet - anybody care to translate? -- (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we'll get to work. Also, this one should get some attention as well: Loi constitutionnelle du 23 juillet 2008 Lazulilasher (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration? French Revolution?

Chers collaborateurs: I was hoping that we begin a collaboration in order to bring more Top-Importance France articles up to, at a minimum, GA status. Hopefully, we can achieve FA with many. I'm currently working on Louvre, and would appreciate any help. However, I was wondering if anyone would want to help with French Revolution. Obviously, this a wide subject; thus, any help would be appreciated! Let's get started. I'm going to the library today, anyway. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Great idea. I'll help out where I can. Perhaps we could initiate a formal "Collaboration of the Week" or "Collaboration of the Month"? It would be a good idea, and would formailize the process, thus clearly defining a set project goal. I'd gladly set one up. Jordan Contribs 15:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Go for it. Draw up a draft, and maybe make a template message we can use to send to editors with an expressed interest in that period (see the list on our members' page and on similar pages, such as MILHIST's French military taskforce). The article receives over 3,000 views per day and is in the top 2,500 pages by views on the entire en-wiki. It deserves a comprehensive, professional article. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I've started up a rough page, to be found here. What do you think? Jordan Contribs 18:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


I've made a few minor adjustments to the project pages. I have created a navigation templete, as well as separating the article status page into two parts. Featured and good content now has its own project page. The navigation template may be seen on all of the project's pages, on the right hand side of the page. If anyone has any ideas or objecions, please voice them here or on my talk page. Jordan Contribs 20:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Er...I don't like it. Let's discuss first. We just went through a major redesign away from the sidebar template. The big problem is that it doesn't work with the transclusion style of page we use--i.e. it leaves a large blank space and there is much room for overlapping. I appreciate your boldness; and would discuss, but I prefer the tabs because they are more clear. I reverted. Feel free to continue the discussion here. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Also, because we use a transclusion format for the main project page, if you add a large nav template to one of the subpages then you have to use: <noinclude>...</noinclude>. Otherwise, the result is malformed. I do like the nav template on the talk page, however, I don't think it works with the rest of the design, sorry. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Lastly, see the old design's template which we removed about 3 weeks ago: Old Sidebar. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
And what of its usage in the Review department? And on the other project pages? I agree with you in regard to the main page; however, I believe that it works on many of the other project pages. What do you think? Jordan Contribs 10:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it's fine on pages that don't start off with a transcluded introduction; so, on the review page I left them. I put the tabs back, as well. I think it looks fine now. You? Lazulilasher (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I must say I like it. I agree with you about the transclusions. I'll be sure to add <noinclude>...</noinclude> to those pages that are transcluded. Also, what do you think of this? I see that you edited one of the templates, so thanks for that. My question is, what do you think of the page format? We also need someone to edit the France talk page banner, so as to include the collaboration candidate template. Jordan Contribs 14:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured Lists needing clean up

Hello, the featured list List of French monarchs currently has a clean up tag for a lack of in-text citations. It would be great if a member of this project could take care of the issue, otherwise it may be nominated for removal. Once the issue is resolved, please indicate so here. Thank you, Scorpion0422 15:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Marquis de Lafayette at FAC

Just a head's up, in case anyone was interested in commenting. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Help request: 1563 France-related articles needing geographical coordinates

Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to France, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in France, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

Why add coordinates?

By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?

The articles are all marked with {{coord missing}} tags, which need to be replaced with {{coord}} tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Wikipedia:Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful, or if you have any questions! -- The Anome (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Note - if the article without geocoordinate data is a French commune, please use the Template:French commune infobox with copy/paste from the same commune on the French wiki (see WP:French communes for how-to) - NYArtsnWords (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... two of the articles in the list above give me some concern. The first Broërec is a large (ish) geograpical area, so where should the coords be set? At the geographical centre ? (how do you calculate it?), or on the largest town perhaps ?
The other example above Serres, Meurthe-et-Moselle has an infobox, which does show the linked coords, at top right, as usual. So how has it made it to your list ? Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I've just noticed you added the infobox today ! So sorry ! Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

T53 and T56

I just rated T 53 class destroyer Start class. It needs some help, more sources and information. also, the article T56 Needs to be made. Regards, --RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210    16:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'll further notify the French Military task force of the Military History Wikiproject. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

France articles needing geographic coordinates

1,550 articles in Category:France articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that France is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --

'Sfunny - this looks so similar to the request just two items above Dickie (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Incest in Ancien regime

I hope this is the right place to ask my question. What was the method of execution for people who had comitted incest in France before 1789? I have heard that the method for execution could be burning at the stake. Is this true? I would be much grateful for a reply. I hope someone want to answer! Thank you in advance! -- (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember that when I was in Tolouse there was a certain bridge (possibly called the Pont des Enfants, Bridge of Children) from which commiters of incest were thrown over into the river in a metal cage, therefore drowning them. That all I know, hope it helps. ChrisDHDR 19:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
That was interesting, thank you very much! But perhaps that was the method only in Toulouse? I would be grateful if anyone could tell me the method of execution in general. Can anyone help me with this? -- (talk) 12:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Lazare Ponticelli at FAR

User:Tony1 has nominated Lazare Ponticelli for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools FAR

I have nominated French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Le Monde

Does anyone have access to the Le Monde archives? If so, could you e-mail me a copy of BÉNIN Mort de l'ancien président Apithy? ~the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 21:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


Québécois has been proposed to be renamed Québécois (word) (talk) 03:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


Is there a WikiProject for Francophonie, like there is for WP:COMMONWEALTH? (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge: there is not. Not a bad idea; but, I would be concerned about overlap with those countries parent projects. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Though, on second thought: this project just completed a reorganization. I am wondering if perhaps we could implement a taskforce dealing with French and the Francophonie? Also, it may be of interest to have a taskforce organizing articles related to various French kreoles, patois, and dialects. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Or a Francophonie project can become parent to taskforces on countries that don't have their own Wikiprojects? (talk) 08:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it can function as the WikiProject for articles about the French Language as well. (talk) 09:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Arles: Archaeological museum

Alyscamps says: "The better of the remaining sarcophagi are now on display in the Museum of Ancient Arles, which has one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself." Arles mentions: "The town also has an outstanding museum of ancient history, the Musée de l'Arles et de la Provence antiques, with one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself. Another museum is the Museon Arlaten." Could someone please create an article on Arles' archaeological museum(s), or if one already exists, make these redlinks redirect to it as appropriate? Thanks. -- (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

fr.wikipedia hasée_de_l'Arles_et_de_la_Provence_antiques andée_Arlaten, so if anybody would like to take 20 minutes or so to translate, this would be good. (I won't be doing this myself.) Thanks again. -- (talk) 18:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll create the article and do what I can. Dickie (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Thx! Appreciated. -- (talk) 15:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Museon Arlaten article finally created! Olivier (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The Nesle sisters

Which exact year did Louise-Julie de Mailly become the official mistress of Louis XV of France? (I have heard she was his mistress for years before she was officically recognised), and wich exact year did Pauline-Félicité de Mailly became the royal mistress? Article say 1740, is this correct? I hope someone can answer. Thank you! -- (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

According to fr wiki, the first of the sisters was mistress to the king in 1733, but this was only confirmed on the birth of her child in 1737. The fr:wiki suggests Pauline-Felicite became a mistress in 1735 until 1741, i.e. partly concurrently with her sister. The third sister, Marie-Anne was mistress from 1742 till her death in 1744.
That was interesting! Are you sure that Pauline-Felicite became mistress in 1735? that sounds very early. I have heard that she was the official mistress extremely shortly. Is this said anywhere else than wiki? -- (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Parc de Saint Cloud

Several articles on early aviation history make reference to the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize, which involved flights from the Parc Saint Cloud or Parc de Saint Cloud or Parc of Saint-Cloud, depending on the article. Examples at
For example, from Alberto Santos-Dumont

"the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize. The challenge called for flying from the Parc Saint Cloud to the Eiffel Tower and back in less than thirty minutes."

Is this the same place as Château de Saint-Cloud?? Should we make a redirect / redirects and/or make a mention of this in Château de Saint-Cloud? - (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems that, according the the French Wikipedia's articles Château de Saint-Cloud and Parc de Saint-Cloud, the palace was destroyed in 1892 and that the Parc de Saint Cloud was built in its place. Therefore the parc and the château were/are situated at the same place but aren't the same thing. If anyone has the time they could translate the French articles here to better explain the situation. ChrisDHDR 12:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's get to work, kids :)Parc de Saint-Cloud should be blue linked in a minute...Lazulilasher (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
What is "domaine national"? Is it like a National Park? Lazulilasher (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I did a rough version of the article. Please add to it :) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Public land#France gives one scentence. However according to fr:Domaine National it is a property (buildings, land, and furnishings (though this is disputed)) belonging to the government and considered a public utility. It can be a forest, a castle, a park, or roughly anything else. ChrisDHDR 19:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Help with an artcle

I have created an article on Simon du Fleuve, but have realized that writing an article from Google translate is not as easy as I'd thought. Would someone that actually can speak French mind helping to find reliable sources? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 08:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Help with my english

Hello. I just added myself to this wikiproject. I read english better than I write it. Could some of you have a look, sometimes, on my contribs in Main, especially when i ask for reraed in edit summary ? Thanks in advance. Alvaro (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Alvaro! I'll have a look occasionally - however it's "reread", not "reraed". A helpful tool, if you use firefox, would be the automatic spell checker. I myself am a horrendous speller and it helps me a lot. ChrisDHDR 18:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the occasional look and the FF's tip. "reraed" is a mistyping, I think ;D Alvaro (talk) 22:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

translation from fr:

Hello. I have a problem. What is the Best, the One, solution when I create an article from his french equivalent ? I saw a lot of solutions, including this:

in the External links of Briare aqueduct.
The perfect template exists, somewhere ?
Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a word of what you're saying. Could you please say it another way (or in French). ChrisDHDR 19:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
J'ai compris ! I use this for all the communes I'm processing Dickie (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
== Notes ==
*This article is based on the equivalent article from the French Wikipedia, consulted on January 14th 2009.

(conflit d'édition)
Arf, désolé ;D
Have a look on Canal du Loing I created from fr:.
Is the references section with Based on the article in the French Wikipedia the right solution?
Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, merci Dickeybird. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just amended the article. References should be for any <ref>s [1] marked in the main text. I changed 'in' to 'at' for where the canal is, i.e. 'in Cepoy' to 'at Cepoy' Cordialement Dickie (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup et bonne année. Alvaro (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
  1. ^ like this

Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team) → Caisse d'Epargne

There is a requested move for a change in the title of the cycling team article at WP:RM, additionally, the redirect Caisse d'Epargne was repointed to the cycling article, away from Groupe Caisse d'Epargne, the bank. (talk) 23:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Save Bonnet

can someone plz help me with the article of one Manuel Bonnet, a French atctor. I need some assistance in ssubstantiating his claim to notability since most of the websites are in french which makes it onerous to discover for me under the pressures being expropriated by external fources namely WP:D] if you wanna help please help me in scouring the Internet as well as print sources for the notoriety of the films with which he has played a major role in the devleopment thereof +- Smith Jones (talk)—Preceding undated comment added 15:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC).

January 2009 Mediterranean storm

Hi. Just letting you know that I have created an article on the ongoing storm that has hit parts of France. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 14:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Could someone here explain the French Wikipedia's GA process?

I'm thinking about doing a Wikipedia:Signpost article on foreign GA processes. I have the beginnnings of an article at User:Peregrine Fisher/Workspace/. Is anyone familiar with the French wikipedia GA process (or FA) and could you describe it on my workspace page? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I ceased to participate to GA on fr: Too frequently (IMO), people say "what a good article, bravo X", to be nice with the contributor X... and the article has a lot of grammar errors, typos... they don't even read the article ! Alvar 19:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

2 communes less, 1 more

Hi all. Since 2009-01-01, Saint-Germain-Source-Seine & Blessey don't exist anymore. They have fusioned (?) into Source Seine (fr:Source Seine). My english is too bad to create the new article and explain the origin. On fr: they categorised the 2 former communes in fr:Catégorie:Ancienne commune de la Côte-d'Or, which doenst exist here. Alvar 19:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I've created Category:Former communes of Côte-d'Or Alvar 19:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
You could probably just go ahead and create the articles, and someone else or me can go back and check it. Your english seems to be pretty good.   jj137 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm updating the articles to reflect the information. This source verifies what Mr. Alvaro has noted, in case anyone doubts him. ~EDDY (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 01:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Too late, already done ;D Alvar 23:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Grammatical gender

No big deal.
In France, the rivers can be le or la. For example: « Le Rhône est long de 813 km » but « La Seine est longue de 776 km ». We have also « la Tamise » but « le Rhin ». (I don't know where it comes from.)
Sometimes, like in Meu or Petite Creuse, I use Template:Lang-fr to explain that. (but it's not always possible, the river Arconce is « l'Arconce » ;D )
Good/bad idea ?
Alvar 13:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Perfectly good idea to use ((fr icon)). Besides, sometimes the name Seine, Thames etc is so well-known that the word 'river' is not required , or as with your Arconce example, it is explained in the text that it's a river. Dickie (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Good idea, ok ;D
« The » or not « The ». I think I understand what you mean; something like « Foo has its source... » without « the ». Correct ?
Arf. I wrote I never saw River Foo. in above section but, on River Thames, I find at least 3 times « The River Thames »
Je me gratte les neurones ;D
Alvar 23:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wrong (am I going mad ?) to talk of the definite article when I meant the word 'river'. We might say 'The Thames is a large body of water', i.e. not using the word 'river' at all. Dickie (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. File:Icon beer.gif À ta santé ! ;D Alvar 17:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

I'm bathing in the rivers of France. I operate with copy-pasting + adaptation but I saw a lot of different things.

  • The river Foo is a tributary to the river Fuu.
  • The river Foo is a tributary of the river Fuu.
  • The river Foo
  • The Foo river
  • The Foo River

Where to put the « [R-r]iver » ? « of » or « to » ?
Thanks in advance. Alvar 23:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

(1) ...a tributary of the river Fuu (always)
(2) depends - we would always say 'the river Seine' or 'the river Thames', it sounds right. On the other hand, it's always 'the Hudson river' and 'the Mississippi river'. I guess it's convention and what sounds best. Reversing the above just makes it sound as though a non-native English speaker has written/said it.
(3) Foo River or Foo river ? Again, it seems to be convention. En:Wiki tends to capitalise 'River', but I personally wouldn't. No doubt others have an opinion on this point.
Anyway, you would not be criticised, but your work may be amended, when using a capital (or not), or placing 'river' in the 'wrong' place. Dickie (talk) 08:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
(1) Ok.
(2) Your examples... 'the river Seine', 'the river Thames' are in Europe and 'the Hudson river', 'the Mississippi river' are in America. My french rivers are in Europe, I think I will use river Foo.
(3) Foo River or Foo river ? I think it doesn't matter if I use river Foo; I never saw River Foo.
Merci beaucoup Alvar 13:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
(2) Your rule about putting the name before or after isn't totally correct: it's definitely the Loire river and just the Rhone.
If you want, just put a list of rivers here, and someone can "translate" them. ChrisDHDR 20:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
In en:wp, ggogle finds 65 "river rhone" and 237 "rhone river". I definitely won't any more add river ;D
The list? Each river (>50 km) in fr:Liste des rivières de France with no equivalent in en: Who is the someone you are talking about?
I create more than I translate. I spent more than 1 hour on Bouzanne (and the others); to find the missing infos in fr:article (coordinates, elevations and so one), to build the ordered list of communes along the course of the river, to verify and fix fr:articles, cf. [5] or [6]
Alvar 15:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

About the September Massacre's article

A couple of weeks ago I found out that the article regarding the September Massacres during the French Revolution was quite incomplete. Since then I've been trying to improve it by adding more background, more info and details, as well as better references. I would like to ask you for revision of the article as to confirm if it is good enough as it is, or if more changes should be made. Please take a look at it and tell me what you think of my improvements. ==== Thaelman ==== 10:45, 31 January 2009

It's certainly a bigger article. There's several typos (sicsic) and words/phrases that I would never use (e.g. desition, non-juring). If I have time, I'll read the French equivalent(I know nothing about the subject) and add to/fix the article. Dickie (talk) 08:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Some of the additions are nonsense. Some aren't even complete sentences and in places you use 18th century English! Can I help by looking at your original pre-translations ? Dickie (talk) 10:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Expand French template - removal?

I suggest removing this template from all the pages it was added to. I'm sure it was added with good intentions, but I would question its overall purpose. If you look at François Asensi's page for example, there is already a French stub template, which is sufficient if you ask me. The goal of the other template is to translate the full French article in English. As someone who is familiar with the French Wikipedia, there seems to be a very big problem with references there. Most articles in the French Wikipedia are not referenced. For that reason, frankly, most of the info is useless. The third argument against this template is that it looks ugly to me. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Splitting Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in France into Departements or Regions?

I suggest splitting Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in France (I don't want to hyperlink it here because I'd like to avoid adding this page to the category) into regions or departements. There are so many communes and people to add a reqphoto for, it would seem to make more sense imo. England has the same system with counties, btw. I don't know how to create those category pages. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Leave as is. If splitting is necessary, split by Department. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Leaving it as it is is going to end up in having a homongous list. Can anyone please create a special reqphoto category for each department then? I don't know how to do it.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

French heraldry

Hi, I'm part of WP:HV and have created French heraldry. I'm assuming it's part of this project, so if you want to include it and/or rate it, feel free. But my main concern is that is sufficiently wikilinked to onmajor pages. When I made English heraldry there was a template to which I could add it, but I can't find a French one. Anyway, make the most of the article's existence as you feel fit. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 22:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Opinions wanted: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#France-related wikis on

We've accumulated a number of links to several France-related wikis that look very commercial and not especially useful. Before someone blacklists them, I'd like others' opinions. Thanks, --A. B. (talkcontribs) 21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

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Guadeloupe Revolution

Is the article Guadeloupe Revolution some kind of trolling ? Commanders : Nicolas Sarkozy, Category : Lists of wars by date ? Is that serious ? Hektor (talk) 05:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The French article here calls it a general strike (now affecting Martinique as well as Guadeloupe). There's been one death and some destruction. Hardly a war, but as Sarkozy is French president, he is 'leader' of one side of the 'conflict'. Dickie (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Historic sites in France

Hi, there's a new Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites which may develop articles on historic sites in France. Perhaps it will make sense to form a joint Task Force. For now, I've posted several questions about addressing historic sites in France, at wt:HSITES. Your input there would be most appreciated! Merci, doncram (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Devoucoux at AfD

Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devoucoux (2nd nomination). -- Banjeboi 09:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Source Translation

Is anyone available who can translate this article from Le Figaro for use in the White Dog article?[7] It appears to be a review of the book, which the article could really use, but on-line translators are not giving any usable info. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It's all about the opinions of a certain politician Jean-Louis Debré, and not about the book at all, except for a one-liner fact that it deals with racism. Of no use to the article whatsoever, imo Dickie (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, pooh. Thanks for checking :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi all. In Village#France I read Same general definition as in England... my problem is that most of the french rural communes have just one village with the town hall, the mayor, the market... Auroux, for exmple, 400 inhabitants. That doesn't match the definition as in England. My english is too bad to (try to) explain this in the article, hence my SOS here. Merci d'avance. Alvar 16:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Don't confuse the French commune (which must have a mairie & maire) and may have many settlements (hameaux, lieux-dit, villages) with the French village, which, as in England, maybe a collection of houses and perhaps a church, shop, pub/bar and can be any size from say 50 people to 5,000 or so. As you know, the concept of the 'commune' doesn't exist in Britain, villages are governed usually by the nearby town or the county. Hope that helps Dickie (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes. But... it's unclear. A village does not have a town hall nor a mayor. A lot of fr. communes have the name of the village in the commune, where you find the town hall, the market... Hmmm... no big deal, in fact. Merci. Alvar 18:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

RFC on date-autoformatting and the linking of date fragments

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List of French monarchs

We need imput at that article, concerning the listing of Henry VI of England as King of France. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Whilst the entry may be disputed, I have at least cleaned up the entry's awful spelling and grammatical errors. Dickie (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Marie Baptiste

Perhaps someone here can be helpful in adding the birth and death dates for this French artist, and perhaps her earliest history? I have the same question and aply for help for the article of Marguerite Morel. It would be interesting to know.--Aciram (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Article request

Perhaps someone could create an article on Hôpital Saint-Louis, also termed the "Hôpital St-Louis in Paris"? kilbad (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Attention needed for Cinema of France

I initially visited the article to get some knowledge of French film, but the article is in mess!! The half of contents is just list of movies. History of film started in France, and French film has taken an important role in world cinema. I feel so odd that articles of French films are underdeveloped compared with the reality. However, due to my limited knowledge and language skill, I seek editors who can expand Cinema of France. Thanks.--Caspian blue 04:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Mon cher Mustapha letter needs context, please

The Mon cher Mustapha letter was apparently an infamous cause célèbre in France in the early 1980's. Our article contains text of the letter, but very little in the way of context to make it comprehensible to contemporary / non-French readers. -- (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


Can anyone give me a full title for "Comp. Aux. de Navigation"? Comp would be Compagnie, wouldn't it? But what about the Aux.? Is it Auxerres, or something else? Mjroots (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

What is the context ? Aux. is often used as an abb. for Auxiliaire. Google doesn't find any thing with "Comp. Aux. de Navigation". Alvar 09:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
It was a shipping company based in Paris. Mjroots (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Possibily fr:Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation? Mjroots (talk) 14:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Looks good. Look for "Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation" in this page. Alvar 15:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, unfortunately no pictures of Theodora, but it confirms the name. Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome. "Théodora" appears 3 times, at the end of the page, with dates, but without pictures. Alvar 18:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Théodora now has a mention on Wikipedia at Empire Tagathel. An article will eventually be created. Thanks for your help. Mjroots (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)



I've temporarily declined a speedy deletion on an article about a French foundation, for a few days. I'd appreciate any wikignomery anyone wants to offer. See User_talk:Dank55#L'OCCITANE Foundation. Je vous remerci d'avance. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

2007-09 University strikes

Hi, I've re-written the article on this topic, which was rated a stub, on the basis of the German one (the French is too long and too technical). It still needs some improvement. Could anyone review the classification if necessary ? Thanks.U1K1T1 (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Could you wikilink to it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
2007–09 university protests in France, sans doute. (without doubt ?) Alvar 18:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
That's effectively 2007–09 university protests in France, sorry for forgetting to mention it.U1K1T1 (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Diplomatic articles

I happened to stumble upon Consulate General of France in Atlanta while patrolling for the new pages patrol and noticed it was looking a little shabby, so I undertook a substantial copy edit and referencing to bring it up to scratch. Afterwards, while trying to de- orphan it, I went to link it into Embassy of France in Washington, D.C. which, for an article of its importance, I thought would be of far greater quality and a useful reference source to link to, but, frankly, it's even worse than the first one! For a country wikiproject, I would have thought that diplomatic relations articles would be a high priority. I haven't looked at the articles for other countries, though I notice that London is conspicuous by its absence, unless the category is poorly maintained. I'll do some work to the American ones, since that's where I started, having got the former up to a decent standard. Any useful sources other than the official websites would be greatly appreciated, as would a reply or talkback on my own talk page. HJMitchell You rang? 13:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Tour de France and the cycling wikiproject

Hi, I'm a regular member of the cycling WikiProject. I just wrote two articles relating to this year's Tour, and in the course of tagging the talkpages with appropriate banners, I happened to notice that none of the previous articles about the Tour, seemingly none of them at all, have banners from this project on their talkpages. Is there a reason for this? Other cycling race articles usually are tagged with the nation (or sometimes, smaller region) where they take place, and this seems a very odd exception to that rule. Thanks. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 09:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The only probable reason is than no one has done it yet ... There's no reason why it shouldn't be done, so go ahead! ChrisDHDR 19:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi all. Can I, myself, evaluate my creations ? Only french rivers, cf. User:Alvaro/rivières et canaux. I want to put {{WikiProject France| importance=low | class=Stub }} insteaf of {{WikiProject France}} on most of my new articles. Do you agree ? Thanks in advance. Alvar 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I do it all the time - but I claim start class, not stub, as the criteria is met, IMO. Cheers Dickie (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Merci. Alvar 16:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?

Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Arc de Triomphe

The recent [8] to the article are controversial and so need some help from project members more familiar with the topic. thanks in advance. Happy editing, --STTW (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest

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Photograph request - Air France HQ

Hi! Would someone like to photograph the headquarters of Air France, by CDG Airport at 45, rue de Paris 95 747 Roissy CDG Cedex? [9] WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you could get more help on fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro. Alvar 12:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Jardin d'Éguiles to be deleted, as there is Jardin d'Éguilles

Please delete the first page (Jardin d'Éguiles), with a spelling mistake.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Strange, the same user created the 2 articles. Jardin d'Éguilles is the true spelling, see Éguilles. Why not a redirect from Jardin d'Éguiles to Jardin d'Éguilles ? Alvar 14:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I created the page on the village sometime ago. Delete or redirect...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:The Camargue

Since I have been working on a few articles connected to this region, I thought I would create a Category for it. I am not very down with Categorisation here, so I hope I went the right way about it. It's currently in Category:Geographical, historical and cultural regions of France, hopefully that makes sense. Widsith (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

looks good to me (more geographical than historical or cultural), but... why this « the Camargue » ? category:Camargue is not enough ? Alvar 10:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Historical, Constitutional Question

In looking for a cleanup project, I came across Charter of 1815. I decided that part of my cleanup should be to add some references, but to my surprise, I could find no mention whatsover of this ostensible "constitution", or at least, not anything with that name. The article (Charter of 1815) itself does point the reader to this page, which is about "The Act Additional", which appears also to be the subject of the French-wikipeida article Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815. So my question, before I begin my cleanup, is this: Has this article, Charter of 1815, been misnamed? And if so, to what should I move it? Thank you for your help. Unschool 03:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There's the previous French constitutional change, which was called the Charter of 1814 (on French wiki as fr:Charte de 1814. The full French title Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815 redirects to "Charter of 1815" on en:wiki anyway. An English translation of the French is as much a mouthful (i.e. Additional act to the constitution of the Empire (1815)) so I'd vote to just leave it as is. Dickie (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Need a little Help

I try to translate a new page from Wp fr about fr:François Viète. It is more complete and less pro-cartesian than the old one. Problem  : i'am french and my english is not good enough... So, if somebody wants to put an eye on this project here : User:Jean_de_Partenay/Viete2/wikipedia, it'd be very kind. (from begining to the gregorian calendar). I hope you will enjoy to work about such a corny thing ! Bye.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The 3 external links on the English version may help you with some English terms, especially [10], though the layout is awful. If I can contribute meaningfully, I will, though the subject matter is rather unappealing to me. Dickie (talk) 07:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Who was in charge of the Royal Crowns and Jewels??

Trying to do research on origin of my family name "Couronne" which means crown, family believes they made the crowns for the royal families of France, also that there was an Marquess Couronne who might of held the title of crown keeper for a period of time. Please give any input you can in regards to this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Or perhaps your family could have come from any of these French places and dropped the 'de' from 'de Couronne' ?
  1. F - Saône-et-Loire - Pontoux (71270): Couronne
  2. F - Seine-Maritime: Grand-Couronne (76530)
  3. F - Charente: La Couronne (16400)
  4. F - Seine-Maritime: Petit-Couronne (76650)
  5. F - Bouches-du-Rhône: Cap Couronne
  6. F - Bouches-du-Rhône - Martigues (13500): La Couronne
  7. F - Charente-Maritime - Saint-Médard-d'Aunis (17220): La Couronne
  8. F - Eure-et-Loir - Saint-Maurice-Saint-Germain (28240): La Couronne
Dickie (talk) 05:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
That could be the case. The "de" (or "de la" or "du") was very typical of the nobility, showing the estate that their familly owned. At the Revolution a lot of famillies dropped the "de" in a desperate attempt to survive: at the time you could be arrested just for being a noble, not even having done anything counter-revolutionary. ChrisDHDR 07:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


French name English name
Alsace Alsace
Aquitaine Aquitaine
Auvergne Auvergne
Bourgogne Burgundy
Bretagne Brittany
Centre Centre
Champagne-Ardenne Champagne-Ardennes
Corse Corsica
Franche-Comté Free County
Île-de-France Ile de France
Languedoc-Roussillon Languedoc-Roussillon
Limousin Limousin
Lorraine Lorraine
Midi-Pyrénées Midi-Pyrenees
Nord-Pas-de-Calais North-Strait of Dover
Basse-Normandie Lower Normandy
Haute-Normandie Upper Normandy
Pays de la Loire Lands of the Loire
Picardie Picardy
Poitou-Charentes Poitou-Charentes
Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur Provence-Alps-Riviera
Rhône-Alpes Rhone-Alps

I noticed that there is a great deal of un-conformity aong the naming of French regions. Certain are translated (Corsica, Picardy), certain are in French (Bretagne, Rhône-Alpes), and certain are disambiguated since no English-equivalent exists (Ile de France, Franche-Comté). I also noticed that concerning other European countries the names are translated, including Germany, Greece, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, and probably more if I looked. So why not here? ChrisDHDR 16:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It's mostly historic, imo. Places that have existed since early times have mostly got an 'English' version (Lyons, Marseilles, Saxony, Lombardy, Corsica, Genoa etc). Other newer names are translated to English because in the native tongue they are perhaps unknown or unpronounceable (e.g.West-Vlaanderen). But suggesting translating Ile-de-France to 'Island of France', for example, is inelegant, meaningless and unnecessary. Just my two penn'orth. Kind regards Dickie (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't mean a systematic renaming, just using the English version when one's available, not making new ones. However for Germany "Nordrhein" is translated as "North Rhine", something perfectly logical, so I don't see why we shouldn't here. However "Île-de-France" should not be translated since that is the name of the province in English, after which the region is named. ChrisDHDR 09:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

my name is Victor Blot. mi nombre es Victor Blot

Hi. me llamo Victor Blot, naci en argentina y vivo en EEUU y me preguntaba si por esas casualidades tenemos algo de relacion. saco esa conclucion porque mis bice-abuelo nacio en Francia y nunca se hiso ciudadano Argentino. Bueno mi E-MAIL es thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply made so that this discussion item gets archived --Anneyh (talk) 12:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Alizée GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Alizée for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Jean-Claude Mézières

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Jean-Claude Mézières/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

New article needs expansion from French sources

I've created the Bureau d'Enquêtes sur les Accidents de Transport Terrestre article based mainly on a single English-language page on the official website. I'm sure French speakers could improve it from other pages on that site and French-language references elsewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 00:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Short translation request

Would anyone be willing to translate this news story into English? It's only a paragraph. Thanks.Prezbo (talk) 01:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Cut and paste it into Google translate and tidy it up yourself - easy. Dickie (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking here because I want to be sure of the meaning and the machine-translated version is not that comprehensible.Prezbo (talk) 23:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Not a translation... but as I saw the Englis version Bogdanov_Affair does not include the end of the legal side... The Bogdanov brothers were presenting a popular scientific show in the 1980s, in October 2004, Ciel et Espace published an article that was questioning their scientific approach. They sued the newspaper in december 2004, but as they did not respect the delays from French newspapers law they had to pay back a fee of 2'500 euros.
Actually another web source ( claims that they did not come to the tribunal to defend their cause and this one ( that they did not respect some delays and gave up.
I checked the archives from Le Monde and it sounds reasonable to rather only write that they gave up in en December 2005 and that the case was closed on September 4th 2006. --Anneyh (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC), Article paru dans l'édition du 20.10.06 (Le Monde, dated 2006-10-20)

End of the Action against Ciel et Espace (Sky and Space) NOUVELOBS.COM | 25.06.2008 | 00:59

The proceedings undertaken by the brothers Bogdanov, television science programme presenters, for defamation has been declared prescribed. It is the end of the action of the brothers Bogdanov against the magazine Ciel et Espace. The justice system has put an end to the litigation opposing the two brothers and the scientific magazine, the proceedings undertaken by the former for defamation having been prescribed, we learned on Friday 13th October from TGI of Paris, confirming information from the Figaro (newspaper). The two brothers, television presenters on science subjects, had engaged in defamation proceedings following an investigation into them, published in October 2004, which called into question the scientific validity of their (learned) papers. But the 17th Chamber of the Tribunal of Grand Instance (TGI) of Paris judged the said action prescribed, the brothers Bogdanov not having respected the time limit provided by the press law. The tribunal did not therefore; pronounce on the matter in question. In its decision handed down on the 14th September, it simply ordered the two brothers to accept charge of the legal costs of the opposing party, at a level of €2,500. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Citations of laws

I sometimes stumble upon articles that mention laws, statutes, regulations, decrees etc. vaguely. It can occur even in articles not a priori related to Law; e.g. in the Viaduc de Millau article, there is a sketch of the approval and procurement process. Sometimes, words are improperly used (e.g. in the context of French government, the word "decree" has a precise, specific meaning), or decisions are attributed to the wrong authority.

All too often, those references are vague. French legal texts have precise identifiers. If it is a statute, decree or major ministerial decision, then it has been published in the Journal Officiel de la République Française, and it has a date of signing and a number (yy-nnnn where yy is the year and nnn is an order number). If it is an article of a code of law, then the article should be referenced. In both cases, unless the law is old, one can make a reference to Légifrance. David.Monniaux (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the French language transwiki project. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from French wikipedia and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge. We need your help, so if there are any French speakers here please join up as your language skills are crucial. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


I have nominated Médecins Sans Frontières for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jclemens (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Main page

I've updated Featured pictures and sounds to some extent. There's probably more I missed, I fear. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 187 FCs served 21:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Grand dictionnaire universel du XIXe siècle

If somebody out there knows where can I find and what is the expected cost for the original & in good shape series: Grand dictionnaire universel du XIXe siècle, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Augusto Carreras —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

You can probably use Google books --Anneyh (talk) 12:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Template Canton

I have remade {{Infobox Canton de France}} and merged {{French canton}} into it. Any feedback with the new one? Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 22:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems good, I like it. ChrisDHDR 18:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Can you make it {{Infobox French canton}} in keeping with {{Infobox French commune}}? {{French arrondissement}} and {{Infobox Department of France}} should also probably be fixed to {{Infobox French arrondissement}} and {{Infobox French department}}. Kiwipete (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, all of them should have standarized names. Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 23:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
It looks great to me. Excellent work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

All templates have now standardized names. But since there is a lot of effort with the standardization of geographical templates into {{infobox settlement}} I have remade template:Infobox French canton again to mach the standardized one. What do you think of the new one? I will try to convert {{Infobox French commune}} and {{Infobox French arrondissement}} too. Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 15:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Vérification traduction

Salut ChrisDHDR. Comme ta langue maternelle est l'anglais, peux-tu vérifier la traduction de l'article Téléphérique de Grenoble Bastille, car il doit y avoir des erreurs. Je ne suis pas assez bon en anglais. merci

Grenix (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, je le ferai dans quelques jours maximum. ChrisDHDR 11:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Ca y est! It's more or less done. Feel free go over it. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting question

On Talk:Departments_of_France#Explanation_of_table. Advises welcome. Thanks in advance. Alvar 14:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Solved. Thanks ChrisDHDR Alvar 14:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


Is there a maire in every commune in France? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, except for the six preserved (and deserted) French villages destroyed in the First World War, which still count as communes even though they have no population, all communes have a mayor (maire), based (either full- or part-time) in the mairie (or hotel de ville). Dickie (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
+1 though things are more complicated with Paris, Lyon and Marseille (one maire for the whole commune + several maires), see fr:Loi PLM and/or Arrondissement#France. Alvar 15:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
These additional maires are called "Maire d'Arrondissement", so there is a maire in every populated commune. BTW I was hesitating using commune in other article, do we need to keep commune in all articles related to France or should we use Municipality?
Not sure I 100% understand your question. In french fr:wikt:municipalité « (Par métonymie) Commune. » is used as fr:wikt:commune « Division du territoire français administrée par un maire et un conseil municipal. » by wikt:metonymy. Not sure you can 100% understand my answer ;D
Briefly: I don't know. From France, what I can say: the 2 terms are roughly used with the same signification, though, perhaps (IMHO), commune is more geographical and municipalité more a question of governance. If we focus on the metonymy stuff, we should use commune raher than municipality; but... context-dependent?
Alvar's saloon. 14:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
As a French native speaker, commune did not look very English to me, but I now checked en:wikt:commune and it sounds pretty OK. In French fr:wikt:municipalité is primarily used for the elected body of a commune (town council). --Anneyh (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Potato - raiding cookbooks for references

Hi all - the Culinary_uses cold do with a stack of references, and some embellishment, from reliable sources, so I'd appreciated it if folks raided their french cookbooks for references - I am seeing whether we can get potato to GA...all help much appreciated :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Robert I of France

You noted at the end of the article that Robert the I may have had other daughters. Just wanted to make you aware of at least one other, who I am descended from. Hildebrante, Princess of France. Born about 0897 of Vermandois, Neustria. Died after 0931. Married Herbert II Count of Vermandois. They had at least 1 daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

So not the Hildebranda/Hildebrante already mentioned in the article then? '...and Hildebranda (895–931) to Herbert II of Vermandois.' Dickie (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Huntsmen Article

I would like to know why is the Huntsmen article part of the WikiPorject:France. It was suposed do be in the Armed Forces WikiPorject, since there are other countries that use or, ate least, used Huntsmen (caçadores, cazadores, jagers or chasseurs)in their army. --Prtgl93 (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Prtgl93

You refer to the Talk:Huntsmen (military) article. As far as I know the fact that an article belongs to more than one project is not a problem.

Dates problem in Brissot article

Article on Brissot states: Bibliothèque philosophique du législateur (1782), dealt with philosophy of law topics, and showed the deep influence of ethical precepts theoretised by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The first work was dedicated to Voltaire, and was received by the latter with much interest.

If it really was published in 1782 it couldn't have been received with interest by Voltaire, who had already been dead 4 years!!

As the book is available in, I could check the preface of the book and amended the article. As several web article have copied the wrong statement, I make my best to stay neutral. --Anneyh (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Societe Generale

I am confused about where the headquarters are. Some sources said that they moved to the Tours Société Générale, but the website continues to list the Paris address as its main office. Where are the executive offices of Societe Generale? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

The official "siege social" address is one of the legal mention in French webiste:
Registered Office : 29 boulevard Haussmann 75009 Paris (fr:Siège Social)
Headquarter doesn't look like legally binding. It's probably correct that Societe Generale traders HQ is in La Defense. It is difficult (and expensive) to expand in Paris for companies, and there may be some tax reasons to keep the registered office in Paris. --Anneyh (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Middle Francia merge proposal

A discussion is occurring at Talk:Middle Francia#Merger Proposal, where it has been proposed that Middle Francia be merged into Lotharingia. -Rrius (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

appel à l'aide

Hi guys, I'm hitting some dead ends on 2009 Francophone Games, this cannot be a "single author" article and i cannot catch up with all the press releases and articles alone, please help me :( Eli+ 13:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Francophonie?

Does anyone think there should be a WP:WikiProject Francophonie? It would be like WP:WikiProject Commonwealth that handles the British Commonwealth.

See Talk:Organisation_internationale_de_la_Francophonie_(OlF)#WikiProject_Francophonie? for the discussion. (talk) 07:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

12,408 unassessed articles? Xenobot Mk V can help!

If this is something you want to take advantage of, please let me know below or by clicking here. –xenotalk 20:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Musée des tramways à vapeur et des chemins de fer secondaires français

Article needs some phrases translated from French to English. Mjroots (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I've done a few native English changes and moved some stuff around, but that's all Dickie (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Popular pages

I have requested a list of popular pages for this project at [17]. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Isère communes

Help discuss and work the proposal at Category talk:Communes of Isère#Merger proposal.--Ipatrol (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


The Bal-musette page says: Bal-musette is a style of French music and dance that first became popular in Paris in the 1880s."

However, surfing the net, not a few sites say that "musette" is the music and "bal-musette" is the name of the dance halls where that music was played. Indeed, the French word "bal" translates into the English word "ball." Goingtoala (talk) 02:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right, musette is originally an instrument, then in the 17th and 18th century a music style, bal musette (no dash in French) is the place where in most of the case accordion was played... the following reference sounds quite OK to me Ursula Hemetek, Anna Czekanowska. Manifold identities: studies on music and minorities. p. 353. ISBN 9781904303374.  Unknown parameter |Publisher= ignored (|publisher= suggested) (help). I agree with the decline from 1960s, but I'm not sure about the revival of bal musette in France... --Anneyh (talk) 14:03, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject French communes

It appears that this banner is now deprecated in favour of {{WikiProject France|Commune=yes}}. There was some discussion last year (here) about replacing the banners, but although there seems to have been support for this nothing appears to have been done. If there are no objections, I can see about having a bot take care of this. PC78 (talk) 02:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject France to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 01:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


Is 'paysans' the most common term for rural people? Is there a more commonly used one with less of the negative connotations of 'peasant'? Anarchangel (talk) 01:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

fermier? agriculteur? cultivateur? Plouc was a slang term I remember - don't know if it's still used though. Paysan is not as derogatory in French as 'peasant' is in English. 'Campagnard' is more pejorative, imo. Dickie (talk) 07:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Agriculteur is, at present, the most used and the most politically correct. Paysan is not so negative, however, see fr:Confédération paysanne a red link on en: ! with 5 interwikis. Unusual ;D Alvar 10:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Yet, all paysans are not agriculteurs, and there is nothing derogatory in the word paysan, no more than in campagnard. As for "political correctness", it is an outlawing force that precipitates the shrinking of languages. Frania W. (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


Can anyone here consult a gazette of place names in France, and confirm that there is only one place named Giron? Thank you. --Una Smith (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Dreyfus affair

Hi, I was wondering if any of the editors would be interested in improving the article about the Dreyfus affair on the English wikipedia. Unlike the featured French version, the English article has a lot of major problems, including reorganisation and missing sections, and would benefit from having a French speaking editor involved in translating and adding content. (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Members of Le Splendid


It would be very useful to have input from members of this project in the deletion discussion on Category:Members of Le Splendid, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 2#Category:Members_of_Le_Splendid. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

COMMONNAME in Catalan or French for communes in Pyrénées-Orientales?

Hello, someone who is familiar with how WP:COMMONNAME translates into the names of communes in France may wish to take a look at the recent edits of Andreas Balart (talk · contribs) (a newly registered user who seems to take an interest in Catalonia-related articles, both on the French and Spanish side of the border) who has moved several articles on communes in Pyrénées-Orientales from their French to the Catalan name, or to "Catalan name (French name)". I'm in general very skeptical if a Catalan name fulfills the WP:COMMONNAME requirement for English Wikipedia when applied to a commune in France, and the dual names look absolutely horrible as article names. But I'm not sure since I stumbled on the user's edits from another angle (wine-related edits), so I'm just announce it here hoping that someone more knowledgeable will look into it. Tomas e (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The Pyrénées-Orientales being a department of France, the name of its communes should be in French.
If we are to follow Andreas Balart (talk · contribs)'s logic, we should rename the article on Bordeaux by its Gascon name of Bordèu, and the cities of Bretagne in Breton:
Sant-Brieg instead of Saint-Brieuc,
Sant-Juluan-Pentevr, for Saint-Julien
Tregaeg for Trégueux,
Tremelar for Tréméloir
Tremuzon for Trémuson
Enez Sun for Île de Sein, etc.
and why not rename Paris Lutetia while we're at it?
In many of the French provinces, the road signs are bilingual but, for the rest of France, only the name in French is used (postal addresses, for instance). Frania W. (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
P.S. The Pyrénées-Orientales articles that have been moved to their name in Catalan name (French name) do exist in catalan:wiki, so where is Andreas Balart (talk · contribs)'s problem? Frania W. (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox French region

I think there should be 'leadername2', 'leader2' and 'party2' options for this template. That way those regions which are also departments can get both the President of the Conseil General and President of the Conseil Regional put in. Munci (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Naming debate

I have started a general naming debate on the naming conventions of Basque provinces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basque and would like to invite all interested parties to take part in the debate. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup list at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Cleanup listing#Unreferenced BLPs

FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at a Request for comment (RfC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on French subjects (like Michel Dalberto and Areski Belkacem, deleted for that reason; Bernard Miège, proposed for deletion, now referenced; Delmar Calvert and Pascal Clément and have recently been deleted for other infringements in the same go). The cleanup link in the title above points to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject France template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list,

  1. review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP concerns
  2. add references (you may e.g. lift references from the French page, if that page exists)
  3. remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template from the article.

We need a lot of hands for this task. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Pierre Moscovici was proposed for deletion, but that seems over the top. If some one can reference, that'd be great. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo request (Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery)

A bit of a long shot, but does anyone here live close enough to Fromelles to take a photo of the new cemetery there? See Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery. Possibly even a photo during one of the military funerals taking place this month for the World War I dead being reburied there? There is a viewing area from which the public can watch. If anyone can or may go, could you let me know, as there are a few other things that could be photographed in the area as well. Carcharoth (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Romanticism and Revolution at AfD

Please offer opinions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romanticism and Revolution. -- Banjeboi 15:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Homework (album)

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Homework (album)/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

CEOs of Électricité de France

Could someone please streamline the infobox for the list of EDF CEOs that I created and added to the existent pages? Please see Henri Proglio's page. Also, is anyone else interested in creating pages for other CEOs of this company? Ideally, I think we should do the same for all CEOs of CAC-40 companies at least, and as EDF is state-owned and reliant on taxpayers's money, I think it has more of a claim to it.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Pierre Laval

This article has stagnated for a long-time. I recently reorganized it pretty radically, but it's still in need of a considerable amount of work. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me bring it up to good article status? TallNapoleon (talk) 10:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Maps in Infobox French communes

Hi, I've modified the {{Infobox French commune}} so that it displays a collapsable regional map when available (they are already for Alsace, Basse-Normandie, Bretagne, Corse and Poitou-Charentes). This will only work if the coordinates (latitude and longitude) are specified in the infobox. There are many communes for which a different location map is used (4236 articles as of now), for example Trédion, which doesn't use coordinates. Hence the regional map doesn't work. In for example the article Bignan coordinates are available, and the regional map works.

Coordinates are available for all communes at French wikipedia. All we have to do is copy the fields "longitude" and "latitude" from the corresponding French article, and remove the fields "image map", "x", "y" and "lat long", see this diff for Bignan. It's an easy task, but a big one, and I could do with some help. Does anyone know whether a bot can do this? These are the relevant articles: [18]. As far as I know, the articles are all about communes in the departments Ille-et-Vilaine, Morbihan, Côtes-d'Armor, Finistère, Seine-et-Marne, Essonne, Haute-Saône, Doubs, Jura, Territoire de Belfort, Somme. The four Breton departments would have my first priority, since that regional map is already avaliable. We can monitor progress at Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes/Status. Markussep Talk 13:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Cleanup listing

Both articles: Geoffroi de Charny (French Knight) and Geoffroi de Charney (Templar) are both on this list dating back to October 2008 for inaccuracies. Both of these articles have been substantially changed, cited and cleaned-up. Would someone here take a look or refer me to whom I should be making this request? Thankyou. Mugginsx (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Military history of France FAR initiated

I have nominated Military history of France for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Johnbod (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

France's article

Hi everyone, I'd read the article about France ([19]) and I saw something that is not really true. I can't change it by myself so I tell you what is wrong and hope that someone would change it ! In the military's paragraph, the article says that the « Gendarmerie Nationale » is a part of the army. Actually it was true but since 2009 the Gendarmerie goes into the « Ministère de l'Intérieur » who's in charge of the police, so technically, they're not a part of the army now (because they're not in charge of the secretary of defense as before 2009). If anyone can changes it :)

(And sorry for my english which is worst than bad ^^')

Shensko (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Need a brief translation

Can anyone translate the following for me (sorry if this is the wrong place to ask):

Cette forme rhomboidale est un peu moins accusée dans le Z. desidiosus, espèce de transition pour laquelle Peckhams ont proposé un genre Messua, qui ne doit pas etre maintenu. Ces auteurs ont bien voulu me communiquer le type du Messua desidoisa; it differe beaucoup moins Zygoballus typiques, que ne semble l'indiquer leur description.

To provide context, this is an argument that was presented in 1897 for synonymizing the genus Messua with the genus Zygoballus. I was able to get a rough idea from Google Translate, but much of it was mangled. Kaldari (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

How about:

This diamond form is a little less promounced in Z. desidiosis, the intermediate species that Peckham & Peckham proposed placing in the genus Messua, which is not to be kept. These authors were kind enough to send me the Messua desidiosa specimen; it is much less divergent from typical Zygoballus than their description would indicate.

Mcewan (talk) 08:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Kaldari (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I've added the info here. Kaldari (talk) 16:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Louis Philippe

Salut! Can anyone help out with deciding the correct title for Louis-Philippe I, King of the French (see the move request on that article's talk page)? Should there be a hyphen? Should there be a numeral "I"? Should it be "of France" or "King of the French" (or something else)? Please comment on that page.--Kotniski (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The hyphen is absolutely correct in French names. See the corresponding page in French Wikipedia - one assumes they have some insight there. The title of the page is Louis-Philippe Ier (Louis-Philippe I) and he is described as Roi des Français (King of the French}. Emeraude (talk) 12:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Does anyone have any source for the "I" - was it used of the man in his lifetime, or was it added later by way of recognition of the unrealized claim of Louis-Philippe II?--Kotniski (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The *I* was NOT used in Louis-Philippe's lifetime. As for the hyphen, I noticed that Louis-Philippe signed without it, but in the case on which we are arguing, it is of lesser importance than the wrong & misleading title English Wikipedia wants to give him, which, in order to be correct, should be:
  • Louis-Philippe, King of the French
and NOT:
  • Louis-Philippe of France, as by the "Ordonnance of 13 August 1830" he himself said that he should be known as "Louis Philippe, Roi des Français";
  • Louis-Philippe of the French, as "of the French" qualified "King", not "Louis-Philippe".
Here are the opening words of the 13 August 1830 Ordonnance:
    • Ordonnance du 13 août 1830:
    • Ordonnance du roi qui détermine les noms et titres des princes et princesses de la famille royale.
    • LOUIS PHILIPPE ROI DES FRANÇAIS, à tous présens et à venir, salut.
--Frania W. (talk) 14:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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A slight improvement

I think the article on Jean Marais could be improved by adding the following:

One of his sculptures, Passe Muraille (The Man Who Could Walk Through Walls), is in an outdoor courtyard in the Montmartre section of Paris.

Many pictures of it can be found by Googling Images for "Passe Muraille Jean Marais". Since I'm not that proficient in adding images, I thought I'd leave it to someone else to make the actual change.

Alweiss (talk) 18:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


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Could someone explain why the top of the infobox of French towns has "Commune of XXX" instead of only the name of the town.

--Frania W. (talk) 00:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Not really, it's been there for a long time. I'm not particularly attached to the "commune" part, if more people think it shouldn't be there I can remove it. Markussep Talk 22:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the "commune of" part. Markussep Talk 13:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Francophone Literature: Multimedia

I am working on course development at the Kigali Institute of Education to design a contemporary French literature course that explores the newest literature and writing that uses multimedia and texts that exploit online features. Can anyone direct me to some websites and/or authors who are writing for online audiences? I am looking for such literature as well as citations. Thanks so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


Cast an eye over Charles Combes a French Engineer... hoping to make up to C class for DYK in next few days. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Soleil levant/Chantilly Forest

Hi. I've started a translation from French Wikipedia, but am unaware of any current editting policy and style guide for translation on Wikipedia. Where's the best links to help out a newbie like me get a decent translation out into the world --Soleil levant (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

After you've translated it, then copypasting the code into the new article would probably be the best idea. Then use a template from here: Category:Interwiki translation templates. Otherwise, just make it look like any other article on the Wikipedia, preferably making sure to include references. Munci (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
How do I go about including references? Can I just steal the ones du Wikipédia? --Soleil levant (talk) 12:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I apologise for the delay. I had not noticed your reply til now. You can use exactly the same references as already in the French article. However, you would need to use a different template. For example, using template:citejournal which does not have quite the same fields as fr:Modèle:Article (you'd need to change the fields from titre to title for example). Also, it's preferable to have refs in the same language as the wikipedia. It's fine if this can't be done for a particular statement though. Munci (talk) 19:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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Bonjour J'ai commencé la traduction de certains passages de la page du Molay Littry vers la page correspondante Française Je ne prends qu'une partie car la page Française et plus riche et documentée. N'hésitez pas si problème il y a. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemorrison (talkcontribs) 10:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Orly Airport Building 163

Hi! I'm trying to find the commune where Orly Airport Building 163 "Batiment 363 Orly Sud 114, F-Orly Aerogare CEDEX, France" is located in. I understand that Orly Airport is within several communes, so I don't know exactly which commune this building is located in. The building once had the head offices of AOM French Airlines and (after a merger) Airlib WhisperToMe (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Translator needed for Wallen (musician)

There appear to be plenty of sources available to support content for the musician Wallen, see Talk:Wallen, however they are all in French. If someone would be able to pull information from the sources into the article that would be great. Active Banana (talk) 17:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Chopin's nationality and citizenship

...are currently under discussion at Talk:Chopin. Any light (as opposed to heat) that can be shed would be welcome.--Kotniski (talk) 14:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Now also discussed at WT:WikiProject Poland.--Kotniski (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Article Francois de La Rochefoucauld - image editing


I am very new to wikipedia and generally edit by picking a random article and taking it from there. The article:

Has the image inserted within a line and I am unaware of how to fix this. As the article was listed as part of WikiProject France perhaps someone could have a look a do a quick fix?

All the best

Craven99 (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

St. John Eudes, The Congregation of Jesus and Mary - Sisters of Our Lady of Charity of the Refuge

Is there any reason that St. John Eudes and the Congregation of Jesus and Mary (The Eudists) and the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity are not listed under "Religious communities founded in the French school tradition" in the main article? Ljpgoodwin (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Relevant AFD discussion

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaja Bordevich Ballo. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 00:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

User:Captain scarlet/France motorway routebox

FYI, a few articles are using a cross-namespace nonstandard infobox...

I don't think it's a good idea to use a template from userspace in article content. (talk) 09:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Language of WP

Hi. What sort of language is best used on WP? I mean, do we aim to write in a literary, or colloquial way? Or an encyclopediac way? Assuming the does one write in such a way? --Soleil levant (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

As you guessed, the answer is encyclopedic. The best way to figure out how to do that is to read several articles. The best place to start would be featured articles, such as the ones listed here (actually their talk pages are listed, but I'm sure you know what I mean). -Rrius (talk) 22:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Ancestory in France

Hi. Newcomer to Wikipedia. My ancestory started in the southern part of France close to the Spanish border. A place called "CASOBON" in the 1500's. Would anyone know how I can find any history for this place, probably renamed but don't know present name--Dragons Jewel (talk) 03:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Monique..June 5, 2010. Thank you for taking time to help in anyway.

Under that spelling, all I could find was a restaurant in a Paris suburb. However, with the homophonetic spelling "Casaubon", there are several small place-names (lieu-dit) or hamlets within other communes near the Franco-Spanish border. There's also a commune (village) called Cazaubon (again the identical sounding name as Casobon) in the same region. Good luck tracing that part of your ancestry. Dickie (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ismael Urbain for DYK

I'm trying to get this article, which I translated from the French Wikipedia, a spot on DYK. IT came with no references. I have managed to find one using Google Books. Could any of you assist in finding some more sources to reference this article? __meco (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Out of this Scholar search, two references available online could already give more references :
But I'm afraid that you may have to buy or borrow the books. --Anneyh (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Aurore Giscard d'Estaing

Aurore Giscard d'Estaing has been at AfD for a couple of days, any comment will be appreciated. Thank you Comte0 (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD closed on 03:01, 13 June 2010 --Anneyh (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

2010 Var floods

The 2010 Var floods article is currently on the main page as part of ITN. There will be many sources in French, which members of this WP may be able to assist with. Currently, there doesn't appear to be a article, so maybe someone could start one over there too? Mjroots (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I have set a message on the local village pump. --Anneyh (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup! Mjroots (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I was not too kean on writing the article, but already 3 wpfr users contributed to the article. --Anneyh (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Translation from French with priority to FA class on French wikipedia

Hi, I am interested in translating articles from French into English, and would prefer to work from articles which are high quality originals, e.g. Haussmann's Renovations of Paris. I am aware of, but is there anyway to re-order these articles by the quality of their french equivalents?

I think there's little point in translating poor quality material as it means there could be inaccurate information on English Wikipedia for a long time. IF anyone knows of such a list I would be grateful if you let me know on my talk page, either some suggested articles or such a list, if it exists. Thanks, --Ktlynch (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

There are now 700 Feature articles in wp:fr. You can find them there: fr:Catégorie:Article_de_qualité. Some probably come from the translation of English articles like fr:Accident sur la base de Fairchild en 1994. Actually it's probably a better idea to use the list fr:Wikipédia:Articles de qualité/Justification de leur promotion. In March-April, there was an article competition on wp:fr and a lot of most recent FA articles come from that and most of them are not translations! --Anneyh (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference desk question

Perhaps there is someone on here who has access to the book or can help me:

--Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I answered there, don't hesitate to come back here if you need help with reading French. --Anneyh (talk) 08:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

La Folie des grandeurs

The film La Folie des grandeurs needs an English article at some point. I may start it soon, but I am busy at the moment... WhisperToMe (talk) 05:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

  • I just created the article, but it could by helped by expansion, if y'all want to add to it. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many times I saw the French version, but the article itself is low in my priority list. Nevertheless I added some information and an English source, so I have the article in my watch list and can answer questions... The French Wikipédia article is not outstanding (almost no sources), I assume most contributors of my generation are in the same mood as myself ! --Anneyh (talk) 08:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Copy edit request

I recently requested a peer review for an article I started, Ghost stations of the Paris Métro. The article was tagged as being within the scope of this WikiProject. One of the suggestions from the peer review was to have the article's prose reviewed and a copy edit made by another editor. If anyone here would be willing to pitch in and assist with a copy edit (or any of the other peer review suggestions) I would really appreciate it. I hope that eventually the article can be taken to good article status. Thanks! --Aka042 (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I had a look, carried out some of the peer review suggestions, but the inline citation are all but one referring to wiki or similar page (I'll assess the quality on wp:fr). Without access to the French books, it is not possible to get this article anywhere. --Anneyh (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Madeline Rating

I have recently completed an major expansion and revamp of the article Madeline, since Madeline is based in France in every incarnation of Madeline, whether it be books, television series and films. I noticed the article had not received a rating on either the quality or importance scale and beleive it should recieve one. Thanks In Advance Matt-tastic (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I need to find somebody from the rigth generation. I discovered the serie thanks to your article. --Anneyh (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for input at the language reference desk ("des plus")

If anyone, native or non-native speaker of French, could help resolve this question, readers would be enlightened. Many thanks in advance. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

By the time I found the message, it was answered already. --Anneyh (talk) 15:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks anyway! ---Sluzzelin talk 23:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


Does anyone know why the link Franta redirect to France? It was also the name of a steamship, hence the need for a hatnote. Would it be desirable to convert the link into a dab page? See talk:France#Franta for more details. Mjroots (talk) 19:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Granville Raid

Hi all, pertaining to the Granville Raid article, in reference to the PC 564 of which my father, Lt Percy Sandel, was in command at the time, there were several errors in the account of the ship's grounding and crew. I have the handwritten accounts of many of the crew of the PC 564 and also my father was awarded the Bronze Star for his heroic actions that terrible night. I will review all my information and follow up with corrections soon. Semper Fi, John A. Sandel —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation of Rueil

This is about the article on Rueil-Malmaison, a commune located just west of Paris. The article says that Rueil is pronounced either [ʁɥœj] or [ʁɥɛj]. [ʁɥœj] is listed first, and therefore supposed to be the most common pronounciation. However, a Parisian friend of mine says that the only pronounciation is [ʁɥɛj]. He, who was born in Paris and has spent all his life there, is positive that the pronounciation [ʁɥœj] does not exist, and says that whoever heard it "must have been deaf or drunk". Could somebody check and find which is the truth of this matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Here; at 00:00 it begins with "Rueil va bientôt connaître une petite révolution..." it's the current standard parisian prononciation.
Have also a look on wikt:fr:Rueil-Malmaison#Prononciation
But, but, but... have a look on fr:Discussion:Rueil-Malmaison#Prononciation
The 2 prononciations exist because in some proper nouns (like Rueil, Bueil...), the "u" is mute, so Rueil should be "rœj", but in Rueil-Malmaison, the "u" is not so mute ;D
Alvar 05:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


Hej guys it seems that you have been involved in making the french page on wikipedia for the french company SYSTRA. Do you provide support to prepare also wiki pages for SYSTRA outside WIKIfrance. i have prepared a page on WIKI denmark but have some problems - and need help to sort it out. both layout and pages - and more. The page exists but bit and pit need a little help.

User talk:SYSTRADK 14:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Centre pénitentiaire de Rennes

As a heads up, fr:Centre pénitentiaire de Rennes should be getting an English article soon. I may write one later this week, but if anyone wants to try writing an English article now, he or she is welcome to do so. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

French journal translation

Sorry bothering you, but I need help with a French sentence form Comptes rendus hebdomadaires des séances de l'Académie des Sciences 1836 [20]. Most of the journals and books state thet mineral Coccinite was discovered in Mexico by del Rio in 1929 in Minerals from the mexican place Casa Viejas. But the communication in the Compt. Rendus reads like this:deposes a l'ecole des mines de mexico par M. Jose Casa Viejas de l'etat de Queretaro and this is form me more like: Jose Casa Viejas from the Queretaro Provinc has brought the sample to the school of mines. Thanks for the help --Stone (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. « Del Rio just discovers […] in séléniure de mercure samples brought to the école des mines de Mexico by M. Jose Casa Viejas, from the Queretaro state. » But… perhaps (5%) it can be read as the samples come from the Queretaro state, though I think (95%) that M. Jose Casa Viejas comes from the Queretaro state. Alvar 15:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm… I think that Casa_ Viejas is incorrect; correct spanish forms: Casas Viejas or Casa_ Vieja_; in spanish, the adjective takes the s from the plural. I hope I've been understable ;D Alvar 15:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! It is very sad that the original message was published in the Mexican journal of the mining school dating to 1827 to 1829. This will need some real work to get the original publication. I have a German publication citing a letter from del Rio and this clearly states that the ore was from Casa Vieja. I hope i can get it right someday.--Stone (talk) 16:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Giraudoux

I would like to get a bunch of people who are interested in creating quality articles on the plays of Jean Giraudoux and related subjects. (See the page "Category:Plays by Jean Giraudoux" for some of the articles which would be included.) I have been working on the play Ondine and have also started the article on Giraudoux's main translator Maurice Valency. I have also done miscellaneous cleanups—mostly trying to get the basic pattern for each play in some kind of consistent form. Sadly, most of the articles are still stubs.

Giraudoux is probably not a big enough subject to be a project (however, there is a WikiProject Balzac!) Anyone for a collaberation? I have a lots more information and ideas. Feel free to contact me on my talk page.

By the way, I do not speak any French. Thank god for Google translate at French to English. Il est étonnant, n'est-ce pas?--Foobarnix (talk) 09:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not particularly fond of Giraudoux, but you can contact me on French-English translations (I'm French). His biography is incomplete here, but I would need some reading because his role during WWII is rather complex.
By the way, you may know that, "Étonnant, non?" evokes Pierre Desproges who use to finish his 1982-84 TV shows by this sentence. --Anneyh (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
For references on Giraudoux, see the books listed at Ondine article: Further reading. If you were willing to translate or otherwise create biographical information on G, I would be delighted to incorperate it. Not like Giraudoux!!?? Do you like Albee? Arthur Miller? T. S. Elliot? Jean Anouilh? Thanks for responding.--Foobarnix (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Portal:France is in danger of losing its featured status

It's not been updated since December 2008, and the featured portal criteria state that portals that are not updated for three months are summarily demoted. So it would appear that the portal is on borrowed time to retain its star... I've left a note at Portal talk:France explaining the situation in more detail. BencherliteTalk 13:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Légion d'honneur

FYI, Légion d'honneur has been requested to be renamed. (talk) 19:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Please note: the nominator intends this to be "the tip of the iceberg" regarding French article names. Please consider this issue while it is still active. Talk:Légion d'honneur#Requested move (2010). SteveStrummer (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Rossini, Le siege de Corinth

The link for recordings of Rossini's Siege de Corinth is incorrect. It should be The present link leads to recordings of Rossini's Viaggio al Reims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Use of the Marianne symbol during the French Revolution

To address the evolution, and the need for evolution, of the Marianne figure. The current entry addresses how Marianne was portrayed in the various Republics; we would like to add some discussion of the significance of this symbol's progression. FR Fall 2010 (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

List of French NBA players

In case you didn't notice, the List of French National Basketball Association players has been turned into a redirect by User:Chrishmt0423 pointing to the more general List of foreign NBA players (the same thing happened with the List of Croatian NBA players and several others). I've reverted the change as I feel that a lot of valuable information was lost in the process (the general list doesn't offer match statistics and drops 7 French players who were drafted but never appeared in an actual game), and I don't see why the two list couldn't co-exist (Chrishmt0423 reasoned "separate list not needed; it actually makes updating more difficult" in his edit summary). Furthermore, the move was never discussed in the article's talk page. In the meantime list was taken to AfD. You're invited to voice your opinion there. Timbouctou 19:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

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Luynes, Indre-et-Loire

Luynes, Indre-et-Loire could use some cleanup. howcheng {chat} 20:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Comte0 (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi. I was wondering if you could help cleanup up these. They were transwikied from French wikipedia but need translation. I think most of the tables are standard so you could probably use AWb for those if you can and remove any French if you haven't the time to translate it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:48, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but these articles are not translated at all and furthermore these are stubs on wp:fr. For example the language is not even encyclopedic: "Le quartier de la Capelette est très peu desservi par les transports en commun à l'heure actuelle,mais compte tenu du devenir de ce quartier, il faut espérer que cela va changer" roughly translates into "The district of Capelette is hardly reachable by public transportation at present, but given the present development of the district one can hope that it will change"... I would wait for maturation on the French side before translating. --Anneyh (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I just asked the main contributor to do something about it (he has no user page but on wp:fr he says he is en-3). --Anneyh (talk) 22:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I was fooled by the history I thought he had imported the articles whereas actually an administrator did that for you. The main contributor from wp:fr has the same opinion as me, it's a lot of work to translate these pages. --Anneyh (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Then it's best to write short english stubs instead for the time being. I think those articles do deserve to be on Wikipedia, even if they should be rewritten from the ground up. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've just cleaned Arrondissements of Marseille, and I see Dr. Blofeld has been working on the 1st and 2nd arrondissements yesterday. If someone can help us, that leave 14 arrondissements to clean ;) Comte0 (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Imho, I think the articles on neighbourhoods are much more interesting fr:Belsunce (Marseille) than these statistical tables. --Anneyh (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree about the tables, you should just throw them away, as I did with most of them while correcting Arrondissements of Marseille. Useful one are those of population, as they may hint at gentrification. I also think we must clean 1st arrondissement of Marseille (and the other arrondissements) before moving on to creating Belsunce (Marseille). Comte0 (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent maps for regions??

Why are there such radically different maps for the different entries on regions in France? I just visited Burgundy where the map is horrible, and then Beaujolais where the map of the terrain in France is interesting, except that map doesn't show any regions or Departments -- instead, it has is for Beaujolais is a red rectangle that is overlaid on the approximate location. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidMorgan1950 (talkcontribs) 17:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

That's most certainly because Beaujolais (wine) is a Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, not an administrative region. The map of Burgundy (French region) and Burgundy wine look fine to me, though. Nevertheless, I've just put better maps on Burgundy (French region) and Beaujolais (wine). Hope this help, Comte0 (talk) 21:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)