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Pictures in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques, 64

Many images are available here for the villages and town of this department, 61% of articles are illustrated today in french Wikipedia, approximately 35% in January, it's 16% moreover !France64160 (talk) 07:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Railway stations

I mentioned this to User:Markussep who is diligentally working through creating articles. Shouldn't it be Castres Railway Station rather than Gare de Castres per WP:ENGLISH? Gare isn't actually the name of the building, its just the French word for railway station isn't it? I propose that they are renamed to ..... Railway Station. Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld 16:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The discussion has started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Railway stations. Markussep Talk 21:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be consensus that the train stations should have English article titles. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Capitalisation of french railway stations. Also, I would like your opinion on some articles about French railway networks. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Réseau Nord and similar articles. Markussep Talk 11:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The discussion about French railway stations seems to have ended without a clear consensus, so I guess we'll stick with the status quo ("Gare de X"). I just discovered the manual of style for France-related articles. The convention for railway lines seems a bit strange to me, why would this MoS recommend "Ligne de Xxx - Yyy"? It's not really a proper name, and I doubt French railways are known by their French names in English, except maybe the LGV's. Wouldn't it be better to change the MoS to "Xxx–Yyy railway"? BTW French wikipedia doesn't use "de" in its titles. Markussep Talk 13:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I've changed the preferred article title to "Xxx–Yyy railway", and will start moving the articles. Markussep Talk 17:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Synagogue de Nazareth

Another unattributed poor translation from the fr.Wiki without any attribution on the talk page.--Kudpung (talk) 06:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

French châteaux

The following lists (currently nominated for speedy deletion) were copypasted from fr:wiki. Anyone interested in translation?

--Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

... and you can find more of this at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English#December_13. Thanks for any help. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Paris Métro Line 12/GA2

A GA review of Paris Métro Line 12 has been put on hold for seven days. Clean up and cite tags have been placed on the article to indicate where work needs to be done. SilkTork *YES! 02:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Peer review ongoing for Air France Flight 447

Hello everybody.

I've just come by to let people know that there is an ongoing peer review for Air France Flight 447. This was an Air France flight that mysteriously crashed into the Atlantic Ocean between South America and Africa on June 1, 2009, on its way to Paris from Brazil. Since the operator was indeed Air France, and since the French government is running the investigations into the incident, I figure that this article is at least somewhat within the purview of WikiProject France, and thought you might like to know.

If anyone is interested in participating, the peer review is hosted over at WP:AVIATION, where I assure you we are a very friendly lot and don't bite at all. (Instructions are here in case you've never done a peer review before.) Thanks for your time. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 03:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


{{France}} has been nominated for deletion. (talk) 05:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Collaboration with the Wine Project on French wine-related articles?

Hello! For 2011, the Wine Project is doing a Wine Article Improvement Drive with each month focused on a particular theme. For February, we will be tackling French wines which includes coverage of French wine history, culture and geography (particularly the coverage of the [[List of Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée wines|AOC wine regions themselves). I was wondering if any members of the France project would like to take part in the article improvement drive and enhance our coverage on this important France-related topic? If there is interest, feel free to take a look at some of our areas of need and stop by the Wine Project's talk page and pitch in with any area of interest. Thanks! AgneCheese/Wine 21:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Translation request: Neighbourhoods of Noumea

I found fr:Quartiers de Nouméa

Would someone like to translate this into English? Where should the translation request go? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You should look into Transwiki-ing. Also, there are bound to be people here who are fluent in French and at least OK in English who can translate all or parts of it.--RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210Please respond on my talkpage, i will respond on your talkpage.    00:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Article update request

I was updating the article on Patrick Binder to remove it from the list of unreferenced BLPs, and I unexpectedly found him to be the subject of many February 2011 news stories that seemed to say he was recently sentenced to three months in prison! See Talk:Patrick Binder for examples. My French isn't up to the task, but I think someone should add whatever information is neutral and verified to the article. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 15:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, it does happen from time to time, see [1]. I've just updated the article and answered at the talk page. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Alphonse Daudet

The article on this important and influential French writer and social satirist (even this semi-philistine Brit knows who this chap was) is in need of a serious seeing-to. I just had to remove a lot of content due to irreparable WP:OR, opinion and weasel (the rather awkward stylised gush made me wonder if this was a quick translation of bits of a freshman's college paper). There's almost no discussion on the talk page: there's no-one been taking any interest in it. So, I templated it because an expert is needed but failing one in the short-term, could someone with at least a bit of French literary knowledge (and who knows some good sources and that) please take a look. Thanks. Plutonium27 (talk) 21:44, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed (1911). Encyclopædia Britannica (Eleventh ed.). Cambridge University Press.. Well, it figures ;) "A bit of French literary knowledge" is needed for his works, which are studied at school; for his biography, the references given in the French article are probably better. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 22:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Discussion concerning French titles for works of art

There is an ongoing discussion that concerns Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French-related)#Works of art. In short, some editors believe that this guideline contradicts WP:V, and that for example Entre gris clair et gris foncé should be moved to Entre Gris Clair et Gris Foncé because this is how it is spelled by verifiable English-language sources like Allmusic [2] and Billboard [3]. Interested editors are invited to comment over at WT:ALBUM#Capitalization of foreign-name albums and songs. – IbLeo(talk) 21:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that's not true. "some editors" believe that WP:ALBUMCAPS should not be rolled out unilaterally across Wikipedia. This discussion fork is, well, interesting, but not directly relevant right now. However, it is worth noting that WP:V would be worth revisiting, as it's "verifiability, not truth" that we're looking for across the encyclopedia. In any case, feel free to pop over to the album talkpage to talk about stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Article request on French Wikipedia

Would someone mind writing a quick stub on the Serbian Orthodox Diocese of France and Western Europe in French? I don't think the French Wikipedia has an article on this one yet WhisperToMe (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

poor english in this version of the article

The quality of the English in this article is in some places very poor. Occasionally the text is incomprehensible. I hope someone can edit it. (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Which article? Markussep Talk 18:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

For example on the Antigone page (from the great Anouilh), the speech "i want everything or die" is really badly translated. "I want everything, right now, and I want it all. I do not want to be modest and just be happy with a little piece if I behave well. I want everything to be as beautiful as when I was a child - or die." Here's another possibility that meet better the French wording. 7:43, 21 may 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Martin Hirsch

French politics is not my cup of tea, so I'd be glad if somebody would look into that. --Anneyh (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Portals on French Wikipedia that could use English versions

Here are portals on the French Wikipedia related to France that do not yet have English versions:




Would anyone be interested in creating some new portals? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

1906 French Grand Prix at FAC

Hello all. 1906 French Grand Prix is a featured article candidate, here. The Grand Prix was essentially an expression of French power in industrial Europe; the French organised it to showcase their own automobile industry, while the English boycotted it because they were suspicious of French motives. Same story as usual, different setting. Any comments would be great. Apterygial 06:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Should it be "L'Insurgente" or "the L'Insurgente"?

Any French teachers lurking? Should it be "L'Insurgente" or "the L'Insurgente" throughout the article USS Constellation vs L'Insurgente, since I assume that "L'" means "the"? I'm leaning toward the former... Tks. – Peacock.Lane 01:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

The name of the ship was "Insurgente", so I think we should use "the Insurgente". Markussep Talk 08:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Humm! I am not that sure as, according to the following, the definite article seems to be part of the name:
Besides, whether L'Insurgente or Insurgente, as the name of the frégate is in French, English definite article *the* should not be between quote marks or italicized, and if name of frégate is italicized, there is no need for quote marks:
  • the L'Insurgente, or
  • the Insurgente
--Frania W. (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
The results of a google search suggest the name of the frigates should be written as "the Insurgente" and "the Constellation". Regards, Comte0 (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
WP:SHIPS member butting in! Per WP:MOSSHIP, ships may be referred to either as "the (shipname)" or "(shipname). The name of the ship in this case is L '​Insurgente, which translates as "The Insurgent". In this case, I'd say that referring to the ships by name only would be the better of the two. Mjroots (talk) 09:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


With France performing air interdiction missions over Libya, it might be useful to write an article about France's military operation, similar to that of the UK, Operation Ellamy, (hopefully with more details). (talk) 14:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done See Opération Harmattan, created 7h after your message. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Saint-Inglevert Airfield

I've created an article on Saint-Inglevert Airfield. I'd appreciate a French-reading editor checking the French sources used and correcting any errors I've made as I'm only fr-1 and have to rely on Google translate. Mjroots (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

As far as I could see, errors were in the english text :) congratulation on your work! Comte0 (talk) 08:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jean-Claude Sebag

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Fails WP:POLITICIAN. A fringe candidate for French president, he won 0.16% of the vote and finished second last in a field of twelve.

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SN 1054

Help is needed in cleaning up SN 1054. It was recently greatly expanded (by 80kB!) from the French version of the article. Checking the grammar and wording against the original to fix errors in translation would be good. As well as selecting English terms where French terms were used and untranslated as they were not originally French but some transcription into French would also be useful, as transcription systems in French and English are different for some languages. (talk) 07:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

École normale supérieure

École normale supérieure has been nominated for deletion as being non-notable. (talk) 05:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

There is an article about École Normale Supérieure the most renown of the currently three écoles normales supérieures. I already added one source and made a raw outline. I made my best to write an introduction that describes what the article is about. The history section is empty but will grow with sources. --Anneyh (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

"Revisionism" clarification in French Revolution Historiography

There are numerous references to different revisionist historians in the Historiography of the French Revolution (English) site, and these need to be further expanded on. As I mentioned on that article's discussion page, revisionism is a very broad term, used simply to, at a basic level, refer to reinterpretation, critical or otherwise, of a history or a historical event. It would be useful if several users contributed further to this article by elaborating on particular uses of the term 'revisionist' in this context, particularly pertaining to individual historians.

Furthermore, there is a slant towards featuring more English/American historians than French historians, on this specific page. The addition of other historians of French or otherwise European nationality would perhaps provide a fuller picture of French Revolution historiography over the last two centuries. Kfodderst (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The subject is too specific for me, but I raised the issue to the French wp project (fr:Discussion_Projet:Révolution_et_Empire#Historiographie_de_la_R.C3.A9volution_fran.C3.A7aise_-_appel_sur_wp:en). --Anneyh (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Marie Antoinette - Fraser Dependence

As pointed out on the Marie Antoinette discussion page, there is far too much dependence on Fraser's biography.

I have personally included some references to Lever (English-translated, so not entirely as weighty as the French version, but nonetheless, it holds) and even Hibbert, although the latter is somewhat debatable, and I am investigating personally a few points of contradiction brought up by his text. In any case, with that in mind:

Other sources available to be incorporated and consequently cited include: Louis and Antoinette by Vincent Cronin (who recently passed away, unfortunately), Marie Antoinette: The Last Queen of France by Evelyne Lever, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette before the French Revolution & Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette during the French Revolution by Nesta Webster, Memoirs of Marie Antoinette by Madame Campan herself, What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution by Caroline Weber, and even from other books such as Simon Schama's Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution and William Doyle's Oxford History of the French Revolution.

These are of course only as a start - but there is really no excuse to be so heavily dependent on Fraser's biography, especially because that is very subjective, sympathetic and at times controversial. The article also doesn't make much of von Fersen, who is on the contrary very important, and I've dropped in him in several edits at several key points.

What also needs to be worked on is the heavy specificity of detail in some areas, and then the absence of any detail at all in others. Kfodderst (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Hildburghausen and Castle Eishausen Theories

These few incidents should be included into the Marie Thérèse of France article. Some references to aid writing a section for this: The Dark Count by Ludwig Bechstein, The Mystery of Hildburghausen by Brachvogel and Nevtelen Var (The Nameless Castle in English) by Jokai Mor for purporting the theory; in contrast, and a nice summary/overview, which dismantles the theory rather effectively, was done by Sophie Nagel in her book on Marie-Therese, Marie-Therese: The Fate of Marie Antoinette's Daughter. The inclusion should be done as soon as possible. I will be able to contribute as well, but maybe not immediately. If anyone has anymore references/sources or information, please mention them here so they can be included into the article. Kfodderst (talk) 08:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Partnership with the palace of Versailles

Hello everybody !

Since Frbruary, I'm a "Wikipedian in residence" for six months in the Château de Versailles, as a member of Wikimedia France. I'm here to facilitate contacts between the contributors to Wikimedia projects (like the France wikiproject, for exemple) and the people of the Château de Versailles.

This project is really open : the Château de Versailles is ready to help contributors, with special projects, like backstage pass tours, special visits, meetings between the specialists and contributors, and also, yours ideas! To coordinate this, we have a contact stub page here.

Don't hesitate to ask me on this current page if you need some information, or if you want to make a special visit in order to help you to contribute.

Regards, Trizek here or on wpfr 08:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

A first outcome of this partnership are some photos taken in Versailles: [5].

Keep us posted, Trizek! --Anneyh (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I will ! If you need anything about the palace or people who lives in, or other things, please contact me ! Trizek here or on wpfr 15:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

French translation

I translated the text in this sign with help of Google translate:[6]. Is it correct? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. --Anneyh (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems correct. Trizek here or on wpfr 15:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Fort Carillon

There is a discussion at Talk:Fort Carillon about Fort Carillon and Fort Ticonderoga and the need to have separate articles on the two (co-located, but temporally separated forts). (talk) 04:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation Alsace wine and Alsace wine region

Hi! As the first article speaks only about a product of the second article's object, I wondered if your assessment is staying in the right article.

Hope this helps. Papatt (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Most recent royal ceremony in France: The funeral of Louis XVII in 2004 section in the French Crown Jewels entry

there seems to be an entry that perhaps belongs more to a discussion page, or figure as an additional entry: "In reference to the revelation of Louis XVII.. There are followers of the French Royal history in the Seychelles Islands (back then a French colony).. according to recent extracted family tree reports show a member of this family was born at the "Palais Royal" in France and not long after the Revolution,it appears that a young boy sailed to the Seychelles under a different name (helped by a guardian) and never revealed who he really was until at his death many years later,his beloved wife got told everything. Most members of this family now reside in Australia. Research is currently being undertaken to find out from the Seychelles Archives who that French vessel was and also the proof of that family member who sailed as a young boy and we are now more curious to learn about who else was born at the "Palais Royal" back in the early 1700! What we've read so far, only Marie-Antoinette's children were born at the Palais Royal. The family tree extraction from the Seychelles registry going back to the 1700 will not lie or mislead the family for whatever reason." Should this be edited?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepoui (talkcontribs) 03:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Volume! The French journal of popular music studies

This article could use some attention from members of this project. There are some issues varying from WP:MOS to (possibly) WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. However, the owner of the page is a bit combative. Thanks. --Crusio (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Move request regarding Spanish noble, claimant to the throne of France

Readers of this page may be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou#Requested move: Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou --> Louis Alphonse de Bourbon. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I just realized this is redundant with a notice above. If this is in the way, please feel free to delete it. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

French pronouns with generic antecedents

Hi, I want to put the following passage into the article generic antecedent, which discusses what pronouns are used in referring back to a human antecedent that is no one in particular (like "someone" or "people in general"):

In French both the singular and plural pronouns in the third person are marked for gender. The masculine form of "they", ils, is always used when referring to generic plural antecedents, unless the generic group is entirely female by nature (as in "women (in general)"), in which case the feminine form elles is used. Singular generic antecedents are always referred to with the masculine pronoun il ("he").

Could someone let me know whether this is both correct and complete? Thanks very much. Duoduoduo (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

You might take a look at fr:Langage_non_sexiste for some information on how French speakers are working with gender-neutral language. Note, for example, that the word "personne" in French is always feminine in gender, even when referring to a man, and thus "les personnes" will use the pronoun "elles". NYArtsnWords (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Your point about feminine les personnes taking elles makes it all come back to me. Also, the French Wikipedia article you recommended is very helpful. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Diacritics RfC

Discussion is underway regarding the use of diacritics in proper nouns from languages such as French. Comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC. Prolog (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I replied in the Support section. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 11:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Blaise Pascal at FAR

I have nominated Blaise Pascal for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Maurice Dekobra Revisited

To find a reference to Maurice Dekobra in Wikipedia is wonderful. I am so glad that someone else has thought it worth preserving such an important part of France's great literary heritage. Poor old Dekobra tends to this day to be shunned by the critical establishment, and relegated to the lower echelons of prose fiction (railway station or airport bookshop "literature"). This snub was due to a large degree to Dekobra's unique talent for writing the sort of fiction that people actually wanted to read. His phenomenal sales figures bear witness to this achievement. However, the "establishment" has remained steadfastly opposed to recognizing Dekobra's particular genius. I can vouch for this personally, for during the late 1960s when I was engaged in writing a doctoral thesis on the author ("Maurice Dekobra : Grand Voyageur et Romancier Cosmopolite", Queen's University Belfast, 1970), I regularly encountered senior academics who dismissed my research as "frivolous". Forty years on, while nobody is likely to place him in the same class as Proust or Celine, Dekobra has begun to attract the attention of people interested in the popular culture of the inter-war years. But do readers who recognize the entertainment value of Agatha Christie's "Murder on the Orient Express" know that it was Dekobra who first immortalized that train journey in his 1925 "La Madone des Sleepings"?

We owe a debt of gratitude to Philippe Collas, whose 2001 study "Maurice Dekobra : Gentleman entre deux mondes" (ISBN : 2-84049-264-4) re-kindles the flame of one of France's forgotten heroes.

Perhaps it is time to develop the Dekobra entry in Wikipedia with an expanded biographical sketch, a more comprehensive list of his published works, and some photographs? Would Philippe Collas agree to us replicating his bibliography of Dekobra's works (which is certainly more up-to-date than my 1970 PhD thesis was able to unearth!) It would be nice to see if there are others out there who agree that such a task is worthwhile.

Robert Leslie Davis (talk) 11:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Rename of Ballet de l'Opéra National de Paris

Ballet de l'Opéra National de Paris —> Paris Opera Ballet – I have added a rename and move request to Talk:Ballet de l'Opéra National de Paris#Article title. Please read the discussion and post comments there. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with the change. We should follow the official usage of the company. Judging by their English webpage they don't use 'Paris Opera Ballet', so we should regard this as a casual English usage, fine for article body text (and redirects) but not for the article title as such, which should remain as Ballet de l'Opéra National de Paris. Perhaps other people would like to comment? --Kleinzach 01:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Theatres with the French word "salle" in the name

In the article Jacques Offenbach the French capitalization was used, i.e., "salle Choiseul", "salle Marigny", and "salle Lacaze". The Wikipedia guidelines (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (proper names) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)) suggest following common usage (in English-language sources, not French-language sources) for capitalization of proper names. Searches for these names at Google Books in English-language books showed that the upper case "Salle Choiseul", etc., was far more commonly used in English than the French lower case version. We have therefore decided to use upper case "Salle" for these theatre names. --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Clarification: Robert.Allen is referring to the capitalization of "Salle Choiseul" etc. in text (not in titles). I agree with his view, though not for all the reasons he gives. (Also I note that many 'salles' are not theatres.) --Kleinzach 01:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for help monitoring

An IP, Special:Contributions/, has been going through numerous French language articles this month, changing all instances of the passé composé into simple past, etc. (and changing translations from remaining passé composé examples from English simple past to English present perfect). Can someone help me monitor and revert as necessary? I'm going through the changes he's already made and fixing as appropriate, but I don't have all the French language articles on my watchlist. Thanks for any help you can give me! Duoduoduo (talk) 19:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Your may quietly revert all his contributions since passé composé is the common past tense while passé simple is more litteral.
Furthermore, the use of passé composé expresses that the action is fully over in the present and that of passé simple a sudden action, the opposite of imparfait which expresses a lasting action that may be underway in the present.
I'll check his edits and improve somewhat somewhere if needed. Papatt (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Page move

The article Crêpe was moved to Crepe in July. There is currently a discussion here to move it back. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Cour de Justice de la République

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but having just created this article, I'd like to know if it could be (if it should be?) added under the Judiciary tab of the {{Politics of France}} template. Widsith (talk) 10:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done under the Judiciary tab on the right. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Anjou, Isère

I'm new to Wikipedia editing / translation, this is my first article, and it's still in progress. I have to fix two tables and the external links.

I'm not sure where to post my information to submit it for review or editing, so if someone can tell me, I'd appreciate it. OttawaAC (talk) 02:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for translation help

The Paris taskforce is currently adding articles on theatres etc. and could do with some help translating French Wikipedia articles, see here. (Currently we need translations of: fr:Théâtre Le Ranelagh and fr:Théâtre Édouard VII.) Thanks and regards. --Kleinzach 03:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

French decorative styles

Dear all, I don't know if this is the right place to post this but here it goes. I am writing this post in order to ask people's opinions as to how a certain set of articles should be organised and whether some should be added, amended, or deleted. Out of interest in the subject I recently searched Wikipedia for information on French decorative styles during the mid to late 18th Century. Specifically I was searching for information on the so-called Louis XV and XVI styles of furniture, decoration, and ornamentation. I was quite surprised to find that the coverage of this topic was quite basic and in some ways illogical. I was doubly surprised considering how massively influential the French styles of this period have been. To illustrate what I mean take the following examples:

1) The article on the Rococo ( has a woefully small section on furniture and decorative objects. The article doesn't even mention the cabriole leg, a decorative style that was so popular during this period that it epitomises the era.

2) The Neoclassicism article ( mentions the so-called Louis XVI decorative style (one of the first neoclassical styles) but neglects to really elaborate on what that consisted in, choosing instead to devote nearly all of its time to architecture, post-revolutionary Neoclassicism, and painting.

3) The French Furniture article ( is quite short and does not really give a good sense of how furniture changed through time and what styles there were, though I will say that it is successful in pointing out the distinction between Provincial and Parisian schools of furniture making.

4) The French Decorative styles during the Reign of Louis XVI (1774-1791) article ( is the odd one out in that it seems to have been started as an attempt to deal with the lack of information to do with the decorative styles of this period. It seems however to currently be a stub.

I mention all of the above because I would love to hear people's opinions as to how this situation could be improved. I also wish simply to bring this neglected area to your attention. Maybe there should be some unified attempt to deal with French decorative styles, pre-revolutionary ones in particular. Maybe there should be more articles devoted to the various eras e.g. Louis XIV, XV etc. Maybe navigation between the various areas should also be improved. I intend to do some research on this area and to expand upon it in an attempt to improve Wikipedia's coverage. I do not wish however to move upon this until I have heard the thoughts of others.

I look forward to any thoughts, opinions, advice etc. you might have on the above.

I hope I have posted this in the correct place.

Thank you for reading.

Lozzic (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Your post deals with France, so I think that's one of the right places!
I had a look at the articles you mentioned, and I share with you the impression that there is a lot of work! The French courtepart of the two first articles are merely translations, but I found an article History of the French furniture that has some content (but no reference). It links to artquid, whose articles are GNU in French but their English translation does not mention such a license (???). The content looks rather OK in French in English.
Hope it helps! --Anneyh (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Health care in France

There are two articles Health care in France and Health Care in France which should be amalgamated. Hugo999 (talk) 08:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh boy, lol. Seems like a job. I'll try and help out if possible. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Alcyon entry - date of commencement of cyclecar production

Alcyon 1921

According to the Alcyon page, cyclecar construction commenced in 1923, yet I added a couple of external links which seem to suggest that cyclecar production commenced in 1921. Which one is correct?

Graham Clayton G64Clayton (talk) 05:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks like there is not too much documentation available (Some books), but the commons image is said to be one from 1921. --Anneyh (talk) 14:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Another photo (Flickr) is said to be taken at Musée Malartre de l'Automobile in Rochetaillée sur Saone, so 1921 sounds correct. --Anneyh (talk) 14:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

A new German invasion ?

Hi !

I asked a question on the Project Germany talk page and I'd be glad to read your points of view here or there.

Thanks. Papatt (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

A bande dessinée about the Falklands War

Hi. When you have time, could you see Talk:Cultural impact of the Falklands War#Malouines ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 08:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Featured portal review for Napoleonic Wars

Portal:Napoleonic Wars is currently up for Featured Portal review at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Napoleonic Wars. WikiProject France members are invited to comment. For those unfamiliar with FP criteria, please see Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria.

Thanks, Ma®©usBritish [Chat • RFF] 01:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Château de Neuilly


I think the second sentence should possibly read, 'Its estate COVERED a vast 170 hectare park called "parc de Neuilly."

Nick Palevsky Oct 14, '11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:15, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

As the chateau no longer exists (except for a small wing), perhaps the entire sentence should be in the past tense --Dickie (talk) 07:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Done. Markussep Talk 12:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)



RFC ar Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)

There has been a brewing issue at WP:RM over WP:HOCKEY recommendations and how they should be applied over WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. Basically the hockey recommendation is that Diacritics shall be applied to all player pages, where appropriate as for the languages of the nationalities of the players in question. This is in fact a mandate that does not allow consideration of any other policy on naming. I think we need to resolve the issue of which naming convention we use for ice hockey players. Is it the one for the names of everyone else based on existing policy and guidelines, or do we have a blanket exception for one project? Please go to Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(use_English)#RFC_on_hockey_names per Vegaswikian (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Mass page move request

A mass nomination to move articles about sportsmen has been filed at Talk:Dominik_Halmosi#Requested_Move --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Alleged swindling of a French club by Norwegian football leader(s)

Businessman and editor of "Kapital" (a Norwegian business magazine, [7]) has said [about a transfer deal that allegedly was construed to swindle a French football club for their "secondary transfer fees"(?)] that the Norwegian team involved "has lied all along" (ref: Verdens Gang 2011-11-19 page 3-sport).

Relevant link

If an article is written, then what should be its name? (The "affair" is relevant to articles about football clubs Nancy and Stabæk and others, and a number of person including an icelandic football player and other footballers and administrators of Norway's football league and various teams. )

Perhaps an appropriate name would be "

  • "last name of footballer number one"
  • + "-"
  • + "last name of footballer number two"
  • + "transfer deal" (talk) 11:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is hereby moved to the discussion page of (talk) 14:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd say Veigar Páll Gunnarsson#Vålerenga is fine. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 12:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The discussion has been moved to Talk:Transfer_(association_football)#The_Gunnarsson_transfer_.E2.80.94_seperate_article_or_redirect. ::(Please note that leaders in 3 different Norwegian clubs are under police investigation - and only 2 Stabæk leaders and one Vålerenga leader have been nominated to fines by a football association, so far.)-- (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I:Cube

Can someone evaluate the two French sources in this AfD? - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I:Cube. SL93 (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

New article: Rodéo (riot)

Al Jazeera had a recent article on French Muslims which mentioned this particular kind of rioting from the 1980s, and academic literature does indeed cover it as a discrete, named political practice. Can anyone assist in finding an image to illustrate? MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:French National Centre for Scientific Research

Hi, I just rated this article, but as I am not a member of this project, I'd appreciate if someone here could have a look and confirm that I correctly labelled this as "high" importance. Merci! --Guillaume2303 (talk) 13:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Was Jean-Baptiste Colbert (1619-1683) Secretary of State for the Navy?

I don't feel qualified to edit or correct what is written in the several articles I am going to cite here, but someone needs to. The article titled "Jean-Baptiste Colbert," (1619-1683) states that he was Minister of Finance from 1665 to 1683. However, the article titled "List of Finance Ministers of France" states that he took office as Controller-General of Finances on 4 May 1661, not 1665. Which date is correct? Further, in the article on J-B Colbert, in the section titled "The death of Mazarin and Colbert's rise," it states that "in 1669 he became Secretary of State of the Navy." However, the article titled "List of Naval Ministers of France" states that Hugues de Lionne, Marquis de Fresne, was "Secretary of State for the Navy" during this period (1662-1669). (By the way, which is it: "Secretary of State OF the Navy" or "FOR the Navy"?) That list does show, however, that "Jean-Baptiste Colbert, Marquis de Seignelay" (son of the previously mentioned Jean-Baptiste Colbert), was Secretary of State for the Navy from 1683 through 1690. The article on the son, titled "Jean-Baptiste Colbert, Marquis de Seignelay," states that "on the death of his father in 1683, Seignelay was named Navy Secretary by Louis XIV." This indicates that the father, J-B Colbert, pere, preceded the son as Secretary of State for the Navy. But, I don't know whether he did or not, as he is not listed as such in the article titled "List of Naval Ministers of France." As you can see, there are several articles here with conflicting information. One recommendation that I would make, is that the son should be referred to as "Jean-Baptiste Antoine Colbert, Marquis de Seignelay," both in the title of his article and in any other references or lists. I hope that someone more knowledgeable that I can make the necessary corrections. PGNormand (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the French Wikipedia article on Colbert list his offices and includes
Intendant des Finances de 1661 à 1665
Contrôleur général des Finances de 1665 à 1683
Secrétaire d'État de la Marine de 1669 à 1683"
Of course, French Wikipedia is subject to the same errors as English, but this could be a useful starting point. As to titles, Superintendent of Finances and Controller-General of Finances shed some light. In the latter we see that 'In 1661, the last [Surintendant des finances], Nicolas Fouquet, was arrested and Jean-Baptiste Colbert became head of the royal financial administration, first with the title of "intendant", then, from 1665, with the title of "contrôleur général des finances".' Hope this helps.Emeraude (talk) 10:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Emeraude: Thank you, but ... you prefaced your comments with the words "For what it's worth...." But that is exactly my point. What is it worth ... indeed, what is it worth, when one article says one thing, and another article says something else? The article on Colbert says that he WAS Secretary of State of the Navy, and yet another article that has a list of Naval Ministers of France doesn't list him at all. I am not an expert on French history, I'm just one of the hapless many who foolishly thought I could trust Wikipedia, just this one time, for the answer to a very simple question. For what it is worth, I was wrong. Someone with knowledge about these things, needs to edit one article or the other so the two articles don't disagree. Comprenez-vous? Merci. PGNormand (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
My guess is that the data in List of Naval Ministers of France was copied and translated from French Wikipedia's fr:Liste des ministres français de la Marine et des Colonies and that the editor responsible failed to notice that the same name recurred, albeit with two distinct people. The revison history of the article backs up this view - the earlier office holders were added to the article in Novemebr 2007 with an unexplained gap between 1669 and 1683 which has persisted to now. On this basis, I have altered the English version to include Colbert père, as this seems to be supported by all of the evidence in both language versions. If I'm wrong, no doubt someone will correct me. Emeraude (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect date for Ensisheim meteorite event.

Hi folks, the entry for Ensisheim mentions the date of the meteorite event occuring as 7 November 1492. This is incorrect as far as I can deem. The correct date is mentioned on most educational sites, but for some reason, here on wiki and some other meteorite sites, the date 7 November is mentioned. The correct Time and Date for the Ensisheim meteorite event are,

1130 hrs 16 November 1492.

My source for the information is "The Catalogue of Meteorites". Pg. 136 published by the British Museum of Natural History 1985. All the best, Vk3ukf (talk) 06:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Kevin Forbes VK3UKF Sat 24 Dec 2011

A late note, it appears that this difference, may be due to the difference between Julian and Gregorian calendars.

See this post at the meteorite-list.

7 November would be the old Julian calendar date, as this is probably the date mentioned on official paperwork from that time, but this is not the same day by our calendar that we use today. The correction has been made a long time ago. If you wanted to go back in time to the day of the event, we must use the Gregorian date 16 November. I believe it is incorrect to use the date from a defunct calendar system when referencing events in the past. Or, mention both dates but make a note of the difference and why, would be even better.

Vk3ukf (talk) 06:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Kevin Forbes Sat 24 Dec 2011.

  • It's an interesting point and one I've never considered before - what is the norm for this? I had always assumed that we (not just Wikipedia) used the date as it was then (otherwise it's wrong to say that William the Conqueror was crowned on Christmas Day for example) unless referring to the period of time when a minority of European countries were "out of step" (e.g. we know that the October Revolution was in November) in which case it is common to give both old and new style dates. Emeraude (talk) 11:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Rereading that, I've written nonsense. Of course it was Christmas Day, the question is whether or not it should be December 25th. It might have been more useful to ask if the Battle of Hastings was on 14 October 1066 by our reckoning or by William's. Emeraude (talk) 11:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Mérimée template

At Commons we have a useful Mérimée template.Commons:Template:Mérimée {{Mérimée|type=classé| PA00103760}} Has anyone written one- if I write one what should it do? How should it be used? Do we want a banner like commons- or something that can be in-lined and is more discrete? --ClemRutter (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

A similar template exists on French WP : fr:Modèle:Base Mérimée. I think you should adapt it, it's very useful. --El Caro (talk) 16:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
OK on my to do list--ClemRutter (talk) 16:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
That would be useful. On a related issue, I'm sure I've seen on the French Wikipedia a small monument historique logo that could usefully be added to articles on such topics. Does anyone know where it is or how to use it? Emeraude (talk) 11:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
There are a lot of templates related to monuments historiques on WP:fr: fr:Modèle:Inscrit MH, fr:Modèle:Classé MH, fr:Modèle:Radié MH... All of them include the logo Logo monument historique - rouge sans texte.svg. You may choose a logo on commons : commons:Category:Logos_of_monuments_historiques_in_France --El Caro (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Municipality question

Hi! The Europcar HQ is at 3 avenue du Centre Immeuble Les Quadrants 78881 St QUENTIN en Yvelines FRANCE But St. Quentin en Yvelines is not a municipality. Which municipality is the building in? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 09:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello, according to Les pages jaunes, the border of Montigny-le-Bretonneux and Guyancourt runs along the "avenue du Centre". I suppose that one side is in Guyancourt, the other in Montigny. Both addresses (3 avenue du Centre Guyancourt and 3 avenue du Centre Montigny) are correct, though. --El Caro (talk) 09:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Yahoo! Maps suggests that 3 avenue du Centre is on the north side of the street WhisperToMe (talk) 10:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes. And the North side of the street is part of Montigny... except the beginning :-( I don't know whether this beginning includes n°3 or not. --El Caro (talk) 13:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

René Maltête

This blog post led me to this miscellaneously problematic version of the en:WP article on the photographer René Maltête. I revised the article, which was obviously based on the article on Maltête in fr:WP, which remains highly problematic. My French is too rusty for me to want to give the latter the radical revision that it needs, or even to alert editors there to the multiple problems. Would anyone here like to do either?

Additionally, most of the English article "René Maltête" is now sourced from a single reference that is irreproachably "reliable" by Wikipedia's standards but that actually is, er, not all that reliable (it's very ambitious, and was a great achievement in its day, but has errors); while some of it remains completely "unsourced" (in reality, sourced from the photographer's son). Maltête seems to have been forgotten in the anglophone world (for example, his name doesn't even appear in the index of the Oxford Companion to the Photograph); and while Google has many hits, most seem feeble. But perhaps somebody here has a relevant book, such as one about photography in/of Paris, or one about Dreux. Maltête unquestionably merits a decent article; any informed help with it would be welcome. -- Hoary (talk) 00:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I've posted a word on le Bistro. --El Caro (talk) 08:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Today I looked into two more books that could have mentioned him, but they didn't. I suspect that the reason is that the ease with which his gags can be understood has made his photographs popular, which in turn has suggested to cultural arbiters that there's not much to the photos. Which is untrue. But I digress. -- Hoary (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you: you dug up a copyvio on French WP. An oversighter has hidden it. --El Caro (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Good: now the French article is about as bad as the English one [visibly] was when I arrived at it, and not hugely worse. There's one conspicuous idiocy, though: "Maître: Jacques Prévert" in the bio-infobox. This is a monstrous oversimplification, of the kind that bio-infoboxes encourage. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Richard the Lionheart's brain buried in Charroux, Vienne (citation needed)

I noticed that this page: needs a citation to back up the claim that Richard the Lionheart's brain was buried in Charroux. I have a citation and would like to add it but have never done this before. Can anybody suggest how to do it?

On page 320 of Alison Weir's biography "Eleanor of Aquitaine", published by Pimlico, London, 2000, one can read the words: "On Palm Sunday which fell on 11 April, the body of Richard I 'was most honourably buried with royal pomp'30 in Fonevrault Abbey at the feet of his father,31 as he had requested; his heart had been sent to Rouen for burial, and his brains and entrails to Charroux in Poitou.32" Note 32 simply says "Adam of Eynsham". The bibliography makes clear that this is Adam of Eynsham's biography of St Hugh, Bishop of Lincoln. I can supply the full reference if necessary. Alison Donaldson (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:France will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in France's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 22:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Boring images

I generated list of articles about communes in France, without image in infobox on enwiki, but with image on plwiki - maybe somebody will be interested (also: similar lists with flags and coats of arms) Bulwersator (talk) 09:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Nobility question

I'm working on an article for a French photographer named Olympe Aguado (1827-1894), who was a count. However, I'm wondering, do I categorize him as a French count or a Spanish count? While he was born and raised in Paris, and associated with the Second Empire court, his father was a Spanish marquis, and that appears to be where he got his title. Here is the main source I'm using. Bms4880 (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

New article on music composer François-Eudes Chanfrault

I've created this new article. If you've got additional input for secondary sources, please feel free to suggest them at the article's talk page, I'd really appreciate it. :) Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 06:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Marquis de Lafayette

There doesn't seem to be an article on the title the Marquis de Lafayette. We have the article Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette, which states that his father also held the title "Marquis de Lafayette". The article La Fayette family seems to indicate that the family was established by Gilbert du Motier (I suppose this would be as usage as a surname)... so there's no family lineage article. Does anyone have information necessary to build such an article on the marquisate? (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Encyclopædia Universalis

With the cessation of Britannica's print edition, I thought it would be a good idea if some people could improve the Universalis article from being a stub? (talk) 06:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

French sportspeople BLPs

Have come across a couple of similar cases in the last 48 hours related to East Europeans, this is the first one related to a France BLP. The case has been made that WP:STAGENAME applied to Tennis players who become like Sting (singer) or Pink (singer) when playing under ITF rules. Leading to the following edit:

"Sophie Lefèvre (Toulouse, February 23, 1981) and known professionally as Sophie Lefevre, is a professional French tennis player. References. LaDépê Sophie Lefèvre a musclé sa préparation 5 March 2003 ...

I personally find this more than a little odd and have queried it on Talk:Sophie Lefevre.In ictu oculi (talk) 09:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


Gilbert du Motier, marquis de LafayetteMarquis de Lafayette (discuss) -- (talk) 04:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Vimy Ridge Main page tomorrow

For tomorrow the Battle of Vimy Ridge article has been chosen to be featured on the main page. I recommend giving the article a look over before it runs. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

First translation of poem printed in a national newspaper of France

A poem by Günter Grass has been published in various national newspapers outside of France, and on at least one website of a French national newspaper.

The name of the poem in French is "Ce qui doit être dit", and this is the last version that I have contributed to in English

Please, does somebody have a reference as to what day and which national (printed) newspaper in France, might have been the first to print a translation of the poem? --Sywoofer (talk) 08:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I propose a better format for dynasties

Through my activities in genealogy, I have now also become an editor for WeRelate [8] In the pages for persons who lived in the middle ages, I find a lot of references to Wikipaedia (EN only). Many of those pages (both in WeRelate and Wikipaedia) give information about a single person only, albeit with references to related persons, like parents, children etc.
In the special case of dynasties, it's very interesting to have an overview of when (and why) the title was obtained and transferred. For many French counties Wikipaedia has lists to cater for this interest. I've been looking at the list for counts of Blois as my wife descends from one of those counts. Also I've been comparing the same list for a number of Wikipaedia languages.
I find the format of the Dutch page nl:Lijst_van_graven_van_Blois superior to the others. As WeRelate links only to the English pages, I'd like to improve those (the English ones) by adapting this format (the Dutch format) for this list and for similar ones. Please comment. opa Dick 12:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Reviewing Homework.

Hi. I'm the current reviewer of Homework (Daft Punk album), which has been nominated to Good article. I need people interested in the topic to help me improve the article. Improvements are mandatory for the aticle to meet the Good article criteria, since its current form does not meet those guidelines.

I'll really appreciate your help. Thanks. --Hahc21 (talk) 02:46, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Poor English in article on annexation of Alsace-Lorraine

I'm afraid that some of the English in the article on the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine (such as the translation of the French protest to the Reichstag) is so incomprehensible that I wouldn't even know how to correct it. (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Canlý Msn Show

Canli MSN SHOW,Kamerali Msn — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

French Auto Racing / FFSA GT Championship

The championship has not changed its name, only the format has change name and promoter. Is increased from Super Serie FFSA to GT Tour. The GT Tour is not the name of the championship and the championship kept its name: the French FFSA GT Championship (in french: Championnat de France FFSA GT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move at Gojira

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Nomination of Marc Houalla for deletion

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Perth requested-move notification

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Wiki Travel Guide

The core group of editors at Wikitravel are interested in moving to a WMF hosted project and being involved with a WMF run "Wiki Travel Guide" as described here or in French here. Per the process of creating a new project, Request for Comments is required regarding the merits of such a proposal. Have outlined some of the positive aspects of taking on such a project to the Wikimedia movement as a whole. Comments would be appreciated. (talk) 06:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Gérard Desbois for deletion

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Automne Pavia and Ugo Legrand

Are there any information on them in French sources? I would appreciate help on the articles.--Razionale (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there are. Can you read French? I think this article may be a good source. --El Caro (talk) 09:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposal: rename entry boule lyonnaise to Jeu Provençal

Although the game is sometimes referred to as boule lyonnaise, it is more commonly known as Jeu Provençal, witness the name of the sport's governing body Fédération Internationale de Pétanque et Jeu Provençal. (Jeu Provençal is the parent sport of petanque, which split off from Jeu Provençal around 1907.)

Therefore I propose that we

If this proposal is approved (or not disapproved, or whatever), I volunteer to do the small amount of work necessary to make it happen. StephenFerg (talk) 01:25, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Why the capitalization of "Provençal"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I think it is because "Jeu Provençal" doesn't translate as something like "provincial game", but as something like "the Game of Provençe", where "Provençe" is the proper name of... well, Provence. StephenFerg (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I made this change. I hope it is acceptable. StephenFerg (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


File:Renan.jpg has been nominated for immediate deletion as being unsource. It is also listed for deletion at WP:PUF as being unfree. -- (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Marshal Bazaine with his personal staff officers in 1870.jpg

file:Marshal Bazaine with his personal staff officers in 1870.jpg is listed in cleanup categories for missing source and missing author information. -- (talk) 15:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Help find, or confirm

In 1953 at San Marcos, Texas I heard a talk by someone who told a long history of his life. Please help find this person, should his 'story' be true. An outline of his story is:

  • He grew up in Alsaise Lorrain. Considered himself to be French, not German.
  • Joined Luftwaffe to avoid the eastern front ground war.
  • Defected to Allied forces in Naples in an ME-109, about 1943.
  • Flew with Free French in North Africa.
  • Transferred to England. Flew Allied aircraft.
  • Was then transferred to Soviet forces. Flew Soviet aircraft in eastern front. (1944-1945?)
  • In 1953 was undergoing helicopter training at Gary AFB near San Marcos, Texas.
  • Was last heard from while serving as a helicopter pilot in French Indo China.

Additional information about his story is available if a responsible investigator contacts me. What is this fellows name? Is his story true? If his story is true, how many others flew in Luftwaffe, Free French, Allied, and Soviet aircraft during WWII? There should be few pilots on this list. CuriousNod (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't identify the individual you are talking about. It might be possible, although unlikely. Alsace-Lorraine was disputed territory annexed by Germany at the beginning of World War II; if the man had German ethnicity, he could have been conscripted into the German military. If he later defected to the Allied side and fought for France, that could be possible. How he would wind up flying Soviet aircraft at the end of WWII, I don't understand that, but since the USSR was part of the Allied forces at the time, maybe it's possible. He could very well have fought for the Allies in North Africa, and gone to Indochina (later Vietnam) to fight for the French military there. There were former German military defectors who joined the French Foreign Legion, and served in various places including Indochina. There is a book called Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford, published in 1971, that tells a similar biographical story, and the author purported the story to be true, although it's usually regarded as a fiction.OttawaAC (talk) 21:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The August 27, 1951 Time magazine has an article at this link on the German conscripts from Alsace-Lorraine (there's also a brief Wikipedia article on those men, called the Malgré-nous). The Time magazine article requires subscription. It is interesting to note, though, perhaps it would have a reference to the man you mentioned.OttawaAC (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

French Literature

Greetings WP:France, It would seem that an encyclopedia have a topic for literature and in this instance (WikiProject France) would have French Literature. However, I am a newbie and sure that I wish no ill feelings either toward nor from the folks whom are well established within your project. Sometimes I "jump the gun" before reviewing or researching fully an area which I am not qualified to be an expert in. Reading was a difficulty of my youth which I have since come to cherish, at that from a few translated works, the first, Beowolf, the second, Don Quixote, and the third, The Three Muskateers, the third was so thrilling I would not put the books (plural) down until finished and obtained the others by Alexandre which kept me busy for a while. I relate this short history in light of Alexandre Dumas and the (2010) move to its present title. In my short editing experience with Wikipedia and learning the guidelines, proceedures and what-not, and which I am sure "novice" would suffice as a category for me to be in, it seems to me that all the npov, coi, encycopedic and other stuff does not apply in the case of one of my most beloved authors. With the history of America's relationship with the likes of Native Americans (to choose an oppressed people as example) it seems the same is happening to a culture (French) with the ("expertise of whom?)in changing a man's identity. The instance being the formal (and honorable) title of being Senior or Junior (in America) and P`ere and Fils in France. Since I am a couple of years late to get in on the discussion for the move, I thought a short discourse with your project may be appropriate. Verbosity is a thing which I am trying to refine in my communications. Clearly, the articles involved, (fils and p`ere) could use some mos. I would be bold however from the looks of the discussions I've read so far, would be totally innapropriate. I have no solutions at this juncture for a remedial plan, and future collaborations would certainly improve this Wikipedia. Out of the many areas I have set aside to be involved in, I could see this one being on my interested list and as I am active on the interwiki may be found here.  O = M C 4  18:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. If you want to re-open the move discussion regarding Alexandre Dumas, you'll need to re-open it on that article's talk page. Bms4880 (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Although in French it's more conventional to add "père" after the name of the elder Dumas, it is far less often that this is done in English. Most English readers are familiar with the elder Dumas only; the Wikipedia article on the younger Dumas, is given as "Alexandre Dumas, fils" as a disambiguation. I have no problem with the current title of "Alexandre Dumas", the elder. But I see that the opening in the lead paragraph makes no mention of his conventional name in French, "Alexandre Dumas, père". I think it ought to, but I don't want to engage in an edit war over it. Eh, maybe I'll add it anyway and see if it sticks there.OttawaAC (talk) 02:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
In French, "fr:Alexandre Dumas" means "Alexandre Dumas père". We write "Alexandre Dumas père" only in case of ambiguity. --El Caro (talk) 12:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, i've been adding to the Citroen C3 Picasso article and i would like to request assistance figuring this out since i can't read French and Google translate isn't so useful. Using this original and this translated i can see the French market has an extra engine. Namely the "e-HDi 90 Airdream"...Can someone use this site to find me the engine size in litres and some details about it? Thanks very much Jenova20 (email) 16:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

YesYSorted - I've got this all figured out. Thanks anyway Jenova20 (email) 08:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

France portal at FPR

Portal:France has been nominated for a featured portal review. During this review, editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the portal from featured status. Please leave your comments and help us to return the portal to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, portals may lose its status as featured portals. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. JJ98 (Talk / Contribs) 09:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

French caste?

Editors on this WikiProject may be interested in the ongoing RfC on Talk:Caste. The article lists France as a region that has historically had a caste system, along with other countries, claims which some editors have found controversial. Editors critical of the current article have argued that the article has become a WP:COATRACK used to push the view that the caste system is not linked to Hinduism or India, while others have defended the article's portrayal of the caste as a universal phenomenon. The input of editors familiar with French history would be most helpful in this discussion. Was French society a caste? Is that a mainstream view and should France be listed?--Ninthabout (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Mentoring needed at Lords of Brandon

I caught Lords of Brandon in WP:UNCAT, and though a good-faith effort the author doesn't appear to know basic Wiki procedures. If anyone is interested in assisting a newbie who's interested in French nobility, your assistance would probably be appreciated by him. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Grandes écoles: categorization, page moves etc.

Hi, since a few days, User:Euroflux is moving around pages to inappropriate titles - for example, French National Centre for Scientific Research to "French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS, France)" - and changing the categorization of a lot of pages, using strange sortkeys (03, !, etc) and inappropriate names. Just one example: Category:Grandes écoles (French scientists & intellectuals). Contrary to what one might think, this category is not intended for people, but for schools (in passing also blithely ignoring the fact that the students at these schools are not exclusively French, of course). In addition, this editor has emptied several existing categories and replaced them with the text "to be removed". They may well be correct that some of these categories are wrong and should be renamed or deleted, but this is, of course, totally bypassing the CFD process. I have tried to explain all this to this editor (see lengthy discussion on my talk page), but to no avail. Assistance in dealing with this mess is very welcome. Thanks! --Guillaume2303 (talk) 10:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Please note that the weird categorization now also extends to Category:Military of France, with articles and subcats out of alphabetical order according to some obscure sorting scheme that only Euroflux seems to know about. Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 15:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Title case convention

I recently created the article Institut de recherche et d'innovation. To be more accurate, I created it as "Institut de Recherche et d'Innovation" (English capitalisation convention), to follow the lead of other French organisations' articles (e.g. Institut d'Études Politiques de Paris, Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques). Not long after, it was moved to the present title, "Institut de recherche et d'innovation" (French convention). I thought WP:France would be a good place to ask: Is there any consensus on how French organisations should be capitalised in article names? -- Perey (talk) 09:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC) (PS: Related style guides: WP:MOS-FR, WP:CAPS. As far as I can see, nothing currently addresses French organisations.)

  • I did this move and would also appreciate the opinion of people here. See also my remarks above (under "Grandes écoles". My attention was drawn to the caps thing by the page moves executed by User:Euroflux. Since then, I have followed the usage on the organisations' own website: if they use title case, I maintain our article like that, too, if they don't, I use the new French convention. But some guidance from editors here would be welcome. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 09:50, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Naming conventions for French grandes écoles / Full name with French spelling (acronym or nickname, town, country code)

Naming conventions for French grandes écoles / Full name with French spelling (acronym or nickname, town, country code)

On the English WP, there are 200 different French "grandes écoles".

50% of them are self-proclaimed "grandes écoles" ; the appellation "grandes écoles", as already said above, is not protected by law.

During the telecom boom, dozens of "opportunistic" telecom engineering schools were created ; they all had very similar names : how many different names can you give to a school which trains future telecom engineers ?

Some engineering schools have very long and boring names ; they are mainly known by their acronym, or by a nickname, like NATO, NASA, or FBI.

You have Supélec = École supérieure d'électricité

Supaéro = École nationale supérieure de l'aéronautique et de l'espace nowadays merged into ISAE = Institut Supérieur de l'Aéronautique et de l'Espace

Supaéro also had an acronym ENSAE, but this acronym was shared by another school :École nationale de la statistique et de l'administration économique located in Paris.

The following example is particularly demonstrative :

École nationale supérieure d'électronique, d'électrotechnique, d'informatique, d'hydraulique et des télécommunications (ENSEEIHT, Toulouse)

fr:École nationale supérieure d'électrotechnique, d'électronique, d'informatique, d'hydraulique et des télécommunications is:ENSEEIHT
ru:Высшая государственная школа электротехники, электроники, информатики, гидравлики и телекоммуникаций

No French native knowing the school would be able to pronounce the name ; they would know the acronym without knowing for what words or conceps the letters stand for.

If you see ENSEEIHT, Toulouse, you very quickly get the information ; you know that it is kind of engineering school situated in Toulouse ; easy to pronounce.

The pronounciation of the acronym would be similar to ENSET, Ecole normale supérieure de l'enseignement technique, situated in Cachan, (ENSET, Cachan).

If you look at the electronics engineering schools, it is even more confusing !

Therefore, I propose following conventions :

Full name with French spelling (acronym or nickname, town, country code in case of doubt).

This convention would make the list of French grandes écoles much clearer, quicker to read and to pronounce.

All above examples would now result in :

École supérieure d'électricité (Supélec, Gif-sur-Yvette)

Ecole normale supérieure de l'enseignement technique (ENSET, Cachan)

Institut supérieur de l'aéronautique et de l'espace (ISAE, Toulouse)

and last, but not least, a monstrous long name for a not-so-famous engineering school :

École nationale supérieure d'électronique, d'électrotechnique, d'informatique, d'hydraulique et des télécommunications (ENSEEIHT, Toulouse)

Be careful with the French spelling !

In a long name, there is only one upper case letter for the first word (except of course for proper nouns). Euroflux (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

  • As you have been told multiple times, these article titles are not conform title guidelines here. These guidelines are wiki-wide and not even a WikiProject can adopt non-standard naming conventions for "their" articles. I see that you again have been moving articles to these weird names. Insisting on doing this, despite multiple warnings from multiple users that what you are doing is against consensus and against guidelines constitutes vandalism. You consistently refuse to to listen. This is your last warning, please stop your disruptive behavior and try to get consensus before making these sweeping changes. Next time, this will go to WP:ANI. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 14:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Guillaume2303. The guidelines are clear and continuing to ignore them will get you nowhere. Please stop wasting everyone's time. --McSly (talk) 14:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry but the "guidelines" are not clear at all ! It is exactly what was expressed in the preceding section ! There is no clear rule about the upper case letters. It is not clear whether we should use the complete name or the "nickname" ; see Supélec. You create your own rules and make believe that they are WP rules ; you give links which give no explanation... I challenge you to give me the "clear rules" in plain English ; you are unable to do it and you even ask other people for help ! And there are no "multiple users" ; you are the only one rambling in the desert... Euroflux (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not talking about the use of capitals or not, as is clear above, we are trying to figure out what should be used on the English Wikipedia (which has different rules from the French one). What we are talking about is about your use of "Full name with French spelling (acronym or nickname, town, country code in case of doubt)", which is completely against all guidelines. And besides me, there's McSly just above and Rangoon11 on your talk page, who reverted another one of your bad moves, so there's now at least 3 of us telling you that you are wrong. As far as I can see, nobody has said that the way you want to do things is correct. So that makes three against one, a pretty clear consensus. Now please stop being disruptive. Butting your head against a clear consensus is not going to get anyone anywhere. Your experiences at the French and the German Wikipedias should have taught you as much. I have pointed you to [[WP:MOS]) multiple times. All other guidelines can be found from there. If you refuse to read them, that's not my problem, I have spent enough time arguing with you. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I also concur with Guillaume2303. Your (Euroflux) edits are starting to be disruptive. --Bob247 (talk) 22:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Note that Ecole Normale Supérieure was just now redirected to École normale supérieure de la rue d'Ulm. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
First a good spelling was necessary ; second a disambiguation was necessary as well there are (or have been) 4 different écoles normales supérieures : Ulm, Sèvres, Fontenay, saint-Cloud... ; it is debatable whether École normale supérieure (Ulm) or ENS Ulm might be better. Euroflux (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I have just moved it back to the correct title per WP:MOS. Your edits are now becoming more than disruptive. --Bob247 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Who are you and what entitles you to say That my edits are "disruptive" ? Why do you give a fake link ? I read thorougfully WP:MOS and there is nothing there against what I propose. You create your own rules and make believe that those are WP rules ; this is NOT true! We should have an intelligent discussion about the question of the titles. I read on WP that the "rules" were there to help and that good common sense and intelligence were above the "rules"... But who are you in fact ? Why don't you have a global account on WP ? What do you know about French grandes écoles ? You claim to have a level 4 in French but I stated that you are unable to write a sentence in proper French... Why do you boast about yourself ? Euroflux (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────*Euroflux, this is your very final warning. Stop your personal attacks on other people. To paraphrase your own words, who are you to come here and yell at people, casting doubt on their abilities, intentions, and whatnot. Normal procedure here is that you give arguments to convince other editors of your point of view by civilized discourse. Comment on the issues, not people. As for your point about MOS, I have pointed you several times to the right place, here it is again: WP:TITLE. MOS is huge and has several subpages that are part of it. TITLE is clearly linked from MOS. Even if it weren't, I already pointed you to it, so you really have no grounds for yelling at Bob247. Everybody here has been extremely patient with you. What you should realize is that lesser outbursts than the one you just posted (or several of those posted in the last few days) have gotten people blocked. If you cannot collaborate with people, WP is not the place for you. If you want to function here, you'll have to adapt. That's what it means when you collaborate in a community project. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 21:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Planned edit-a-thon

From 8–14 October 2012, Australia's primary classical music broadcaster, ABC Classic FM, will be holding a countdown of the top 100 French works of classical music as voted by listeners to the radio station. Some Australian Wikipedians including myself are planning to be involved in an edit-a-thon and related meetup in Sydney to create and improve articles about the works on the countdown. Feel free to join in if you'd like! Graham87 14:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

GAR note

Henri Brocard, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:26, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Adolphe Thiers

Does anyone know which religion Adolphe Thiers, the French prime minister and statesman, belonged to? The article currently claims Spiritualism, but I am a bit skeptical as I have not read this or seen sources establishing it. dci | TALK 23:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Guerlain administrative HQ

What is the administrative HQ (not the registered office) of Guerlain? says "whose headquarters are located at 68, Avenue des Champs-Elysees, 75008 Paris, France." but it also mentions " Internet Department 125 Avenue du President Wilson 92593 Levallois Perret Cedex - France " - original French says " le siège social est situé au 68, avenue des Champs-Elysées, 75008 Paris, France" - The siege social can be a registered office but not necessarily the administrative head office WhisperToMe (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


Euroflux (talk · contribs) has been blocked for editwarring, but made several changes to Grand Ecoles categories that you may wish to examine. -- (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


Could I get the assistance of someone bilingual in French? The above linked article has a number of issues, and is currently at AFD, filed by me. I think that there may be some language issues going on here, and would like to see if someone could possibly attempt to communicate with the article's author in French. See the article's history and the AFD comments to get up to speed on what is happening there.

On a side issue, if the article topic is actually notable, and RS in French can be added, I would gladly reverse myself on the AFD itself. But at this point I don't think that's likely to happen without some assistance from someone who speaks both languages well. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Louis Dreyfus Group

Is Louis Dreyfus Group French? The article says so, but I checked the company website and the main HQ seems to be in the Netherlands WhisperToMe (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know where you got the information that the main HQ is in the Netherlands. The company's website does indeed (under contacts) give an Amsterdam address for LOUIS DREYFUS HOLDING BV, but looking at the history pages it records that "By 1875 [Léopold Dreyfus] had established the company’s world headquarters in Paris." There is no mention of further moves of headquarters. However, the murky world of multinational conglomerates is never as simple as it seems. Nationality, even for people, is never the same as residence. If the holding company is French-owned, regardless of where it is registered could be regarded as French. It gets worse though: British Petroleum is generally regarded as British, yet most of its shares are held by Americans! The British Eighth Army had headquarters in Cairo, but it wasn't Egyptian! Anyway, is Louis Dreyfus Holding BV the same as [Louis Dreyfus Group? Emeraude (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Further, for what it's worth, the corresponding French Wikipedia article describes the Groupe Louis Dreyfus (its proper name) as "multinational", the infobox calls it Louis Dreyfus SAS ( a French business category) and gives its head office as Paris. Emeraude (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


I am seeking editors to help on a topic related to the French train company SNCF, where I am an outside consultant in the United States. The original question I raised (link) concerned the appropriate weight and content of the article's treatment of the company's role during World War II, which was the focus of an edit war in January 2012. The section has been improved somewhat in recent weeks, but discussion has been slow at times, especially now, so I would like to invite additional editors to comment. One question now is whether to move extensive commentary about a court case and political controversies in the 2000s to a related article (link). Another editor proposed this, and I have agreed. Would anyone watching this page be interested in joining the conversation? Thanks in advance, Jerry M. Ray (talk) 16:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Sarkozy Official Portrait.jpg

file:Sarkozy Official Portrait.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

C19 French Authors.

Why only one aside reference to George Sand? Also, the Victor Hugo section makes no mention despite his long admiration of her.

FC — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

What article are you talking about? !Kiwipete (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

English documentaries listed in France 5 article

See Talk:France 5#dubious listing of documentaries. I've added Template:Citation needed. --Thnidu (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Isle de France

Isle de France (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was usurped to become Mauritius recently; for 7 years it was a redirect to Île-de-France topic. For the discussion on the use of the pages, see Talk:Isle de France and Talk:Governor of Isle de France -- (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Charles-Auguste Lebourg

Find sources: "Charles-Auguste Lebourg" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images

This artist may be overdue for an article. I don't read french well so I thought I would see if anyone here wants to create and article on him. I haven't looked for material in other wikis yet.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Someone may want to check the info cited to French references. Bms4880 (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Very good work! His works are all over the world, but the leads in his article and the fountain one only mention France though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I modified the lede. Do we know which cities have the most Wallace fountains, or most prominent ones? Bms4880 (talk) 22:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Some are listed in the fountain article. I found an image of one in L.A. that may not be on the list. I also found a 366 x 488 self portrait of him at Their larger view has a watermark, the dogs.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure the self-portrait is Charles-Auguste Lebourg? Allposters says its Albert-Charles Lebourg, who appears to be a painter. Bms4880 (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
On this site, I think the one on the right is Lebourg. The one on the left is Wallace. Not sure if there is a better (and dated) version of this image elsewhere. Bms4880 (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I think you are correct. The image on the right was labeled Lebourg.jpg. It should be public domain as being made before 1906 or a derivative from before then. The original author has to have been dead for the 100 yr max copyright limit.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Chevalier de Fresne

I've been wondering about this article, shouldn't this be some medieval title/order, instead of a particular person? -- (talk) 07:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

French Mauritius

Is French Mauritius a "top-importance" article to your project? Talk:Isle de France says it is, which I find very strange. This is also the case for Talk:Governor of French Mauritius -- (talk) 08:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, and changed. Mcewan (talk) 09:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
The person who rated it top, reverted your change, and readded WPUK, along with making it top importance to WPFRANCE at French Mauritius. The change at Governor of French Mauritius was also reverted by him.
I think an examination of all the importance ratings by Kingroyos (talk · contribs) is in order. They are very peculiar. -- (talk) 12:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

-- (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for spotting these. I will re-assess. Mcewan (talk) 14:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
There are likely other ones, but these were the ones I found in a very quick and short search. -- (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
The French Mauritius article has been renamed to Isle de France (Mauritius) -- (talk) 23:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Well... we now have Governor of Île-de-France, which was moved from Governor of French Mauritius recently. This is distinctly wrong since Île-de-France still not Mauritius. -- (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

And he created {{Governor of Isle de France}} as well... -- (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Both moved to Governors of French Mauritius / {{Governors of French Mauritius}} ; but the redirects remain, so still problematic. Governor of Isle de France / Governor of Île-de-France , Template: Governor of Isle de France -- (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
And they've been moved again, to Governor of Isle de France (Mauritius) / {{Governor of Isle de France (Mauritius)}} -- (talk) 04:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I have nominated Category:Isle de France to become Category:Isle de France (Mauritius) because it really shouldn't be using the name of the region around Paris. -- (talk) 02:46, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

History of Île-de-France

History of Île-de-France (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been merged into the main article. Seems like there should be enough to keep it as a standalone article, if we were to expand it. (such as the military history of the region...) -- (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Geology of France

Need any help I can get for Geology of France. The French Wiki already has large chunks worked out that only need translating. Merci :). --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Request for French translation

Hello, I was hoping a French speaker would be able to translate the following paragraphs (google translate doesn't translate properly):

A l'ouest-nord-ouest, un autre village, également situé sur une montagne, se montre à mes yeux, dominant des pentes ombragées par de magnifiques oliviers. Il s'appelle Deir er-Rhassanek, Je l'ai visité en 1863. Sa population est de neuf cents habitants. Les maisons sont construites en pierres rouges et blanches; celles du cheikh et de plusieurs membres de sa famille, celle aussi qui est réservée aux étrangers (el-medhafek) et quelques autres sont grandes et assez bien bâties. Une mosquée surtout y attire les regards par la régularité de ses assises alternativement blanches et noires. Une certaine aisance semble régner dans ce vllage, dont le cheikh exerce une sorte de droit de suzeraineté sur une quinzaine de villages ou hameaux voisins. A l'ouest-nord-ouest de Deir er-Rhassaneh, sur une montagne très-rapprochée, s'élève une koubbeh consacrée à un santon vénéré dans les environs sous le nom de Cheikh Kaouas.

A vingt minutes au sud du même village, j'en distingue un troisième, pareillement visité par moi en 1863, et appelé Beit-Rima. Assis sur un plateau élevé, dont les pentes sont couvertes de figuiers et d'oliviers, il renferme trois cent cinquante habitants. Les maisons, comme celles de Deir er-Rhassaneh, sont construites avec des pierres régulières offrant des assises, les unes rouges, les autres blanches.

Thank you for any help. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

PS: The original is here: p. 150. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, translation done. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Adélaïde Leroux

I just created this article. Someone more fluent in French may want to check the French sources for accuracy. Bms4880 (talk) 21:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Is it Paris? ... or Saint-Denis?

I need your help.

Is it correct to refer to Saint-Denis as a city in its own right? The following is copied from the Wikipedia article ...

Saint-Denis (French pronunciation: ​[sɛ̃.d(ə).ni]) is a commune in the northern suburbs of Paris, France. It is located 9.4 km (5.8 mi) from the centre of Paris. Saint-Denis is a subprefecture (French: sous-préfecture) of the department of Seine-Saint-Denis, being the seat of the arrondissement of Saint-Denis.

Saint-Denis is home to the royal necropolis of the Basilica of Saint Denis and was also the location of the associated abbey. It is also home to France's national stadium, the Stade de France, built for the 1998 FIFA World Cup.

Saint-Denis is a formerly industrial suburb currently reconverting its economic base. Inhabitants of Saint-Denis are called Dionysiens.

Because we are having a continual struggle on Rugby Union articles when stating which "City" France host their internationals such as the Six Nations Championship, my reason for asking here is to attempt to put this quarrel to bed.
The current example is here.
Your assistance would be much appreciated
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gareth - I think the problem is the ambiguity of "Paris" - Saint-Denis is a town (commune), in the Paris urban area, but not in the city of Paris - so it's analogous to the relationship between Twickenham and London. If we can say Twickenham, London then we can also say Saint-Denis, Paris - which might also placate town-proud Saint-Dyonisiens. Hope that helps. Mcewan (talk) 13:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, this is now clear to me—many thanks, Mcewan. That explains it perfectly.
Our rugby problem is our listing the venue of each country as a "city", namely, Cardiff, Dublin, Edinburgh, London and Rome. I cannot visualise a compromise here between the two camps
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 13:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
At least with Twickenham Stadium, we can shorten that to say "Twickenham, London" and not be misleading. – PeeJay 15:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Could you not do something like this?

Nation Home stadium Location Head coach Captain
 England Twickenham Stadium Twickenham, London England Stuart Lancaster Chris Robshaw
 France Stade de France Saint-Denis, Paris France Philippe Saint-André Thierry Dusautoir
 Ireland Aviva Stadium Dublin Republic of Ireland Declan Kidney Paul O'Connell / Rory Best
 Italy Stadio Olimpico Rome France Jacques Brunel Sergio Parisse
 Scotland Murrayfield Stadium Edinburgh England Andy Robinson Ross Ford
 Wales Millennium Stadium Cardiff New Zealand Warren Gatland Sam Warburton

Mcewan (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

@ Mcewan, that looks ideal to me, and should satisfy all factions, I would have thought.
It is kind of you to get involved and I know from our previous meetings that you are our on-the-scene reporter.
Because your post is before Mcewan's, Tom, I am not fully understanding your suggestion. Having read Mcewan's, does yours fall in line with his?
What do want to do, Tom?
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 16:46, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't bother me. Although it would not be incorrect just to say that Twickenham Stadium is in London. – PeeJay 16:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
... but for consistency, surely Mcewan's version is ideal, isn't it?
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 17:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Tricky one this, I'd always assumed France played in Paris, but it seems not. I took a look at the FFR website[9] and that lists the 6N fixtures as being played at the Stade de France, Saint Denis. I think the table shown above is a sensible compromise and the comparison with Twickenham reasonable - Twickenham being a location in the greater London area, just as Saint Denis is a city in the greater Paris area. --Bcp67 (talk) 21:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, but "Saint-Denis, near Paris" would be better, "greater Paris" doesn't exist yet, it's just a project: see Grand Paris. --El Caro (talk) 09:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The Paris urban area does exist though and Saint-Denis is well within it. The point is that it is as much in Paris (in that sense) as Twickenham is in London (in the Greater London sense).Mcewan (talk) 12:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
"Paris urban area" doesn't really exist as an official or administrative entity, it's just a satistical area, very different from London. Never mind, I support "Saint-Denis, Paris" too, and admit that that situation may be difficult to understand for rational, non-French people ^^ --El Caro (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Good evening. Here in France, we say Paris, Parc des Princes when the game takes place in the Porte d'Auteuil Stadium, and we say Paris, Stade de France when the game takes place in the Saint-Denis Stadium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akseli9 (talkcontribs) 22:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Akseli9 (talk) 22:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Caroline Lacroix Baroness Vaughan.jpg

file:Caroline Lacroix Baroness Vaughan.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

New communes

Has anyone else noticed this?

While preparing an article on Château de Baugé, I consulted the French version and discovered that the castle is no longer in the commune of Baugé but in the new commune of Baugé-en-Anjou, created on 1 January 2013 from a merger of Baugé and four other former communes (Montpollin, Pontigné, Saint-Martin-d'Arcé and Le Vieil-Baugé). (Reference: Préfecture de Maine-et-Loire, Arrêté n° 2012090-0002 portant création de la commune nouvelle de Baugé en Anjou, du 30 mars 2012.) I have amended the five commune articles mentioned and deleted them from Communes of the Maine-et-Loire department. However, it must be that there is still a lot of work to be done in connection with this. For example:

Identify possible post code and INSEE changes
Identify political changes (mayors, etc)
Population stats

As it happens, the former commune articles are all stubs so there is little to change there. Of more concern though is the question of whether other commune mergers have been made that need to be reflected in the English Wikipedia. The French Wikipedia article fr:Commune nouvelle gives background and details of some other new communes. Emeraude (talk) 11:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Chopin FA

After a discussion with User:Nihil novi over on my talk page, I've decided to finally work on the Frédéric Chopin article so we can take it up to FA status if possible. I plan to get this as a TFA on 17 October 2014 (165th anniversary of Chopin's death). If anyone wants to help out, please do so. All are welcome to assist in this process and if anyone wants to suggest improvements, please do so on the talk page. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help expand Jean Bureau

I happened on this article on the unsourced stub section of Wikipedia. Judging from the sources that I obtained so far, I believe that he was a great man during his time and helped regain France's territories through the Hundred Years' War. Heck, he was even called the "evil genius" of the French campaign by one of the sources that I found. How cool is that? I hope that you could expand his article with French sources since the info that I obtained from English ones are limited at best.--Lenticel (talk) 03:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at the fr:Jean Bureau article on the French language Wikipedia. Scope for translation from there I would have thought. Emeraude (talk) 07:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Expanded. Someone more familiar with this period may want to check for accuracy, as some of the sources had conflicting information. Bms4880 (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Mickiewicz for GA

I am mostly done with improving article on Adam Mickiewicz, the greatest Polish poet who lived in Paris for ~20 years, to B/GA class. I wonder if anyone would like to translate fr:Monument à Mickiewicz? It would make a nice DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Pavillon Vendôme -- strange "vcgfbb" at the bottom?

Greetings. I create a page for the Pavillon Vendôme (which you're welcome to expand). Any idea where the 'vcgfbb' at the bottom comes from? I can't find it in the editing process.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Related to the {{France-stub}} template, that I have removed for now. Mcewan (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Marshal Bazaine with his personal staff officers in 1870.jpg

file:Marshal Bazaine with his personal staff officers in 1870.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

If the photo was taken in 1870, I don't see how the uploader can be the "copyright holder." Bms4880 (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
It's tagged with {{wrong license}} as well, indicating that. -- (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Autoroute signs up for deletion

Several autoroute signs are up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2013_April_23 -- (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

French input requested at Paris Ouest AFD

See this link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris Ouest (2nd nomination). French input is requested because this subject is not really known by people without French background. Thank you. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Madeleine Riffaud

Hi, I'm English and I've just finished the page for Madeleine Riffaud, I was wondering if a French person could have a look at improving the article with better knowledge and sources. Many thanks Bblears (talk) 09:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


image:FRpass1.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 01:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

French corvette Prony

There is a notice about French corvette Prony at WT:MILHIST -- (talk) 03:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Air France Flight 447 regarding the Summary in infobox

An RfC (Request for Comment) has been initiated at Talk:Air France Flight 447#RfC - What "Summary" should the Accident have? The RfC is about the Summary in the infobox of the article. There has been extensive discussion and edit-warring about the issue, so please participate in this RfC. HeyMid (contribs) 08:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Prix Lumière / Lumière Award

Hi there. I've heavily improved the article The Fifth Element, which is under the scope of this project, and have nominated it for good article status. In my efforts to improve the article I am currently expanding the awards section and I'm confused about something. Can somebody tell me if the Prix Lumière and the Lumière Award mentioned here: Lumière Film Festival, are the same award? Or are these two separate awards that have little to do with each other? I ask for your help as, just like Korben Dallas, I only speak english and bad-english. Freikorp (talk) 02:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

San Tropez

The usage of San Tropez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:San Tropez (song) -- (talk) 07:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Mcewan (talk) 00:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


Just knocked up this new template {{Mérimée}} which may be of use

For example

{{Mérimée|PA00110281|Interesting building }} Interesting building

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


image:JMKTaxiCarriage1.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


image:ParisPoliceLogo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


File:RAMIGauthierWerhle.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 07:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that [Salon (France)] be merged into [Salon (gathering)]. I think that the content in the Salon (France) article can easily be explained in the context of Salon (gathering), and the Salon (gathering) article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Salon (France) will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. (talk) 15:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)


The usage of Gojira is under discussion, see talk:Gojira#Requested move 2 -- (talk) 00:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Category:24 Hours of Le Mans race cars

Category:24 Hours of Le Mans race cars has been nominated for deletion. -- (talk) 22:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Albert Clément in his Clément-Bayard at the 1906 French Grand Prix.jpg

image:Albert Clément in his Clément-Bayard at the 1906 French Grand Prix.jpg has been nominated for delete -- (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Edouard-Jean Gilbert

Bonjour all - I created an article on this botanist...but the main source I found was in French (which I can't speak). If any French speaking editors are happy to read the article (I think I can get a fulltext of it) we can source the article. CHeers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm a native speaker, I'd be glad to help, although I know nothing of botanics. Cheers. Akseli9 (talk) 18:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Rape during the liberation of France

I created Rape during the liberation of France. but I dont know well. Is there French wiki page? The article needs some help.--Syngmung (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Akseli9 (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Quebec (1775)

Today's featured article, Battle of Quebec (1775) is having ENGVAR issues, particularly, it's using American English, not British or Canadian. See talk:Battle of Quebec (1775) -- (talk) 02:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Château Rauzan-Ségla 1993.jpg

image:Château Rauzan-Ségla 1993.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 01:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured

Today's Article For Improvement star.svg

Please note that Louis Pasteur, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 07:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team


The usage of Dieppe is under discussion, see talk:Dieppe -- (talk) 04:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


image:Mucem-Villa-de-la-Mediterannee-Marseille.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


File:LeonGaumont.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Les Forgerons.jpg

image:Les Forgerons.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


File:Boillot1914Indy.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 11:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Coat of Arms of Charlemagne.jpg

image:Coat of Arms of Charlemagne.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 07:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Painting used in William of Gellone

Painting described as "La vestizione di Guglielmo d'Aquitania, ol/tl, 345 x 231 cm, Bologna, Pinacoteca Nazionale" on Commons.

The painting to the right seems to depict "Guglielmo d'Aquitania", and according to where this image is used, may refer to:

Now, it can't possibly refer to all three given the date ranges above. Anyone know for sure which one it is? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:14, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I've found nothing. I don't focus on art history so I'm can't provide insight. Based on the file usage it would appear no one else on wiki has asked this question before. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I've asked for participation from WP:VISUALARTS. Maybe someone there will be familiar with his works. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I would say it has to be William of Gellone, since only he became a religious (which is what vestizione presumably refers to), although both William X (died a pilgrim) and William I (founded Cluny) also have religious stories associated with them, hence the confusion. Srnec (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, and the Louvre think so too. I've removed the two wrong Italian uses. Johnbod (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox French commune nominated for deletion

Please note that {{Infobox French commune}} has been nominated for deletion. The discussion may be found here. --AussieLegend () 09:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Help for translation

Hello, I wrote in french wikipedia the article fr:Réserve naturelle régionale de la carrière des Nerviens wich is candidate for the label AdQ. I started the translation of this article into Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve. Would you help me, please ? Would someone correct the article, complete the category... ? Thank you. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 00:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Under "Creation of the reserve" it states, "In 2001, a person brought the site to the attention..." Do you know the person's name? Bms4880 (talk) 18:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Mr MALLET. I forgot his firstname. Thank you. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 20:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Grande Arche de La Défense et fontaine.jpg

image:Grande Arche de La Défense et fontaine.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:04, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

{{Countries and territories of the Mediterranean Sea}}

Template:Countries and territories of the Mediterranean Sea (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 10:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Requesting help with Pierre Nanterme's article

Hello, I'm currently working on behalf of Accenture to improve the article for their Chairman & CEO, Pierre Nanterme. As you can see, the article is extremely short currently, and poorly sourced. Because of my financial COI, I don't edit articles directly. Instead, I've posted a request for help at Talk:Pierre Nanterme, as well as a revised draft of the article in my userspace.

Given Mr. Nanterme's role as a prominent French businessman, I'm hoping that someone here would be willing to review my proposed draft and, if it seems acceptable, replace the current article with it. I've watchlisted this page, so if you have any concerns, feel free to let me know about them here, or over at Talk:Pierre Nanterme. Cordialement, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

This is Yes check.svg Done! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

{{La Francophonie}}

Template:La Francophonie (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 02:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

{{UN Security Council}}

Template:UN Security Council (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 03:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve

Hello, I translated the French article w:fr:Réserve naturelle régionale de la Carrière des Nerviens, whis is candidate to the status Article de qualité. Brenont has just made a complete review. Can I have your opinion on the Article Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve. Do you think possible to ask a status GA, A or FA ? Thank you. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


I have found that the Tour de France Website is really helpful for information relating to various communes especially when it comes to the last two years. The translations are very clear and they often include a link to the commune's website. Does anybody want to help me improve the pages for communes along the route of the 2012 and 2013 editions of the Tour de France? (Komvuelta (talk) 18:41, 30 August 2013 (UTC))

I'll take a look at it. You're referring to this [10]? Bms4880 (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes that's it. Go down to along the route. (Komvuelta (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC))

Article request: Neighbourhoods of Noumea

Is anyone interested in starting an article on the Neighbourhoods of Noumea? I found the French version at fr:Quartiers de Nouméa.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 04:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Commandeurs of the Légion d'honneur

Category:Commandeurs of the Légion d'honneur has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


The usage of Rousillon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Rousillon (horse) -- (talk) 04:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

This project is dead isn't it? Maybe it should be wound up :) ? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
There's some activity in July... Bastille Day checkup? Or we could post a notice to the French Wikipedia... -- (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

French Guichen.jpg

image:French Guichen.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Jean-Paul Paloméros french general.jpg

image:Jean-Paul Paloméros french general.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Air France Flight 4590.jpg

image:Air France Flight 4590.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 03:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


image:AFGonesseMemorial.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 03:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Cornell Bread Project

I have been working on a project for Cornell, as a newbie to Wikipedia, with the topic of Bread . I found this great article from the Today Show about the decline of the baguette culture in France. I think this would be a great addition to this page! This is the link to the article Today Show Bthuglas (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

La Lanterne (Versailles)

Hello. I would appreciate it if some of you wanted to expand La Lanterne (Versailles), now the official retreat of the French President. Please only add referenced info with clear citations. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Consensus needed

Could I get some eyes at this? I've been removing a trivia section that I feel is unnecessary, but another user thinks I should discuss it instead. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 07:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


Hello, Spartaz send me here, he told me you could help me for my firts article on Wikipedia. This is about Callicore, a french structure. He told me aswell that you are a french speaker (like me) and that it would be easier to undertand what i am talking about :-) Basicly, I would like to know if you could help me by giving some advices, telling me the mistakes or if my article could be ok for a validation on Wikipedia (when my article will be clean without mistakes and in a perfect english language). I thing that the english wikipedia is more apropriate for Callicore, even if it's french, because Callicore use to work with english or american artists... Am I wrong? Anaëlle M (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this their website? Bms4880 (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is Callicore official website Anaëlle M (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any online sources (English or French) that mention Callicore? I'm having trouble finding sources. Bms4880 (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I added again some of my links because I could open some of them on my user page. It should be ok now. All this links mention Callicore and the link "Interview MTV" is an interview for MTV of Laurent Mercier (who created Callicore) and the singer of the band Cake. In this interview, Laurent Mercier explain what does callicore when they work with the artists and here, what they do with Cake. You can have a look here :

Links/Sources :

Anaëlle M (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Does Callicore specifically specialize in animated video and album cover art, or do they do other media? Bms4880 (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, we need to clarify this sentence: "Callicore is recognized as being a structure a bit unusual, completely free, independent and which has often been regarded as an action of resistance against the system of majors and their cultural dictatorship of the media." Type it in French, if necessary. Bms4880 (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Callicore is specialized in animated video, this is the main thing they do. And also co-editor sometimes that's all. The sentence "Callicore is recognized as being a structure a bit unusual, completely free, independent and which has often been regarded as an action of resistance against the system of majors and their cultural dictatorship of the media." means that Callicore doesn't work like other studios. Their fans and the artists consider Callicore as a rebellious entity, for example Cake said "No concession. No compromise. Just one direction. That sums up both Callicore and CAKE - the story goes with 'Long Time,' the metaphor of a vagabond sentenced because he didn't follow the same road as others,"(on Basicly, Callicore follow his own way, they do what they like and what they want. The translation of my sentence in french is : Callicore est reconnu comme étant une structure assez hors du commun, complètement libre, autonome et qui a souvent été assimilée à une action de résistance contre le système des Majors et leur dictature culturelle des médias.Anaëlle M (talk) 09:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Does the statement on Callicore's website, "enlarge Callicore’s skills with music publishing," mean Callicore has expanded into music publishing? Bms4880 (talk) 17:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
User:Anaëlle M if you can find a WP:RS which states that they are independent and rebellious towards other media companies then of course you can add this to an article. There does not seem to be a Callicore article in fr:Wikipedia AadaamS (talk) 08:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes it mean that Callicore has expanded into music publishing, for example for the album "All Odds against me" with John Lee Hooker Jr in 2009.Anaëlle M (talk) 09:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I dont have any reliable sources to explain the fact that Callicore is considered as rebellious, etc... It is a rumor (a true rumor), and this is why the artists who want to work with callicore come to them. I can understand that this is not enough, you can delete this sentence, no problem, I just wanted to explain the mindset of Callicore and how people see Callicore. The reason why Callicore is not on the french wikipedia is that Callicore doesn't work with french artists, Callicore is more apropriate for english and american culture. I tried to publish it in french but aparently the sources and the story of callicore were more adapted to be an english article.Anaëlle M (talk) 09:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I apreciate the work you did on my article, I find it much better, thank you! Hope I am clear enough, I thing it's not easy for you to understand what I a want to say sometimes and I am sorry about that. Don't hesitate to ask me more question if you need.Anaëlle M (talk) 09:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Anaëlle M, before creating this article you need WP:RS to demonstrate that your article lives up to the WP:GNG, the guidelines which define if a subject is suitable for an article. Primary and self-published sources unfortunately do not count. If you have an article which talks about the company somewhere, even in French, this is useful. Even if the videos that the company have worked on are notable, it doesn't immediately follow that the company which made those videos itself is notable. Sources in French are fine, they can be used. AadaamS (talk) 13:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I though my sources was good enough for my article and that the Webby Award was an other goog reason to publish it, but I understand totaly what you are telling me. I have an other source, an interview for France 4 ( a french channel) of Laurent Mercier speaking about what he does in Callicore and in his other company, the school "Studio Mercier", where you can si him working on the Carbon Silicon music video. But I think It's not the kind of source you are looking for. If my article can't be published for all the reasons yous said, should I try to write an article about Laurent Mercier where a could describ Callicore and other thing he does? The sources you already know could be ok for that?Anaëlle M (talk) 13:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

AadaamS: Does Webby honoree meet the second bullet of WP:WEBCRIT? I'm not particularly familiar with web content notability. Bms4880 (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Anaëlle: Did the Mercier/McCrea interview air on MTV? Bms4880 (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes on MTV (USA not the french one) in 2011. The video you can see on youtube was sended by MTV to Callicore.Anaëlle M (talk) 14:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello Bms4880, do you have any news about the second bullet of WP:WEBCRIT? I added the french wikipedia link for the Washington dead cats, is that what you were looking for? Or do you need an english one? Thanks a lot for your help, the article looks better every day.Anaëlle M (talk) 12:41, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

It should be redlinked if there is no English-language Wikipedia article, but with a small link pointing to the group's French Wiki article (I've fixed it). As for WEBCRIT, I was waiting to see if AadaamS or any other editor had any further concerns over notability before moving this article to the mainspace. Bms4880 (talk) 15:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
If no one objects, I think the Callicore article is ready for the mainspace. Anyone? Bms4880 (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I have nothing to add on it, it's ready for me too.Anaëlle M (talk) 08:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Just a quick note that the article is up. Callicore (studio). Bms4880 (talk) 20:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Stub linked on Main Page now needs expansion from French version ...

The stub for Lothar Späth is linked on the Main page right now with the Picture of the Day. It could be easily expanded from the French version ... Djembayz (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

AfC submission

Would you review this submission? It certainly shows some good effort! Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms for place names

English_exonyms#France. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

OpenEdition Books

Does anyone know more about fr:OpenEdition Books? Shouldn't there be an article about this in English? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Frédéric Chopin - peer review

I've asked for a peer review of the article because its seems to risk at present gettng bogged down in side issues and needs a lot of work on some major aspects. Comments could help develop a consensus to assist editors concentration on the most important aspects. All opinions welcomed. Thanks, --Smerus (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thierry Repentin

Hi. I've tried to expand Thierry Repentin's page a little...can someone else please help? He's a very important politician...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

RfC at Claude Monet re: number of images

Please join in the discussion at Talk:Claude Monet#RfC: Are the galleries in the Monet article excessive? about the number and choice of images in the galleries. Curly Turkey (gobble) 08:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

The galleries are fine, we'd like the paintings to remain visible and seen by our readers...Modernist (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, the Claude Monet article is at the present time informative as it is beautiful. Keep as is. Coldcreation (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Just make sure the "informative" comes before the "beautiful." That's an awful lot of images compared to the amount of accompanying text. Bms4880 (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Place Dauphine

Place Dauphine is showing "Width [Convert: Invalid number]" in the infobox because the infobox contains "width=12 to 67", which passes "12 to 67" as the input number for the conversion. Is there some way to fix this? Johnuniq (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

A similar issue occurs for:

These appear in Category:Convert invalid options which is for a new system that implements {{convert}}.

I'm hoping someone can say what {{Infobox Paris street}} is supposed to do. I might be able to find someone to fix it, but it's not clear to me whether the wikitext in the above articles would ever have worked. Johnuniq (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Christian de Villeneuve-Esclapon: please help me get the speedy deletion tag removed!

Hello. Please help me get the speedy deletion tag removed from Christian de Villeneuve-Esclapon's page, which I created earlier. Elected to the National Assembly, published non-fiction author, started a newspaper in Provencal, lots of references, has a page on the French wikipedia...But I need your help. And please expand it too if you can? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

More info on the Japanese community of Paris?

Does anyone know of sources that talk about the Japanese community of Paris? I started Japanese community of Paris but it relies heavily on one source and I need to broaden the article.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with an article?

I've got a request: I need help finding sources for a French language film, La fille du garde-barrière. They do seem to be out there, but I've hit a huge language barrier. For example, I can find some book sources in French, but of course Google Translate cannot translate the actual books for me. There's also a bit of an issue in that some of the sources don't seem to be online or only show partially. Can anyone help with this? I don't want to have to automatically redirect it to the director's page if there's a chance that sources exist. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 16:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Can you list some of the key French sources? Bms4880 (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I see your problem. While the sources you've found undoubtedly prove the film's existence and Savary's involvement, none of them as they appear from Google Books gives sufficient detail to be of any real use. For what it's worth, your source number 7 goes on to say
"Avec « La fille du garde-barriere », Jerome Savary et Roland Topor donnent plûtot dans la laideur subversive, façon Hara-Kiri. Dans cette histoire d'un amour absolu condamné malgré lui au purgatoire du bordel, on savoure la parodie des mélos du muet, on goute cette jungle à la Méliés oú gambadent les animaux tristes du Magic Circus." (I fiddled with the search parameters slightly to get this.)
Not much help, I know, but I'll see if I can find anything else. Emeraude (talk) 13:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
There is an entry at the Ciné-Ressources website which lists data including acting and technical personnel ([20]) and a link to a list of 14 contemporary reviews, though not the reviews themselves. Emeraude (talk) 13:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
And a few more sites:
Le Nouvel Observateur, a generally reliable source, has a page in its cinema section on Jérôme Savary ("Il signa également ..... La Fille du garde-barrière, un film interdit aux moins de 18 ans qui retraçait les amours contrariées d'un prince vagabond et de la fille du garde-barrière." [21]) and a page on the film itself [22]. The New York Times has similar [23] .Le Monde's obituary of Savary merely mentions that he made the film [24] as do the obituaries in other French newspapers. Emeraude (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
  • That's sort of the big issue I ran into while searching for sources. Thanks for helping to look- I always feel better when people help like this. :) Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. I think it's fair to say that, betwen them, these refs cover all of the article apart from the refusal of a certificate in the UK, which is not really a point of any great importance. Emeraude (talk) 11:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


I was surprised to see that we have a separate system of categories for hameaux in France, also by region and department. Since hameau is nothing more than a small village (they're not administrative subdivisions AFAIK), shouldn't we move these categories (e.g. Category:Hameaux in Auvergne) to the corresponding villages categories (e.g. Category:Villages in Auvergne), and reserve these for villages that aren't independent communes? Markussep Talk 10:11, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I nominated it for merger at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 January 20#Category:Hameaux in France, please join the discussion there. Markussep Talk 12:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Could use some fresh eyeballs and voices at this previously stale merge proposal, splitting the content at Opium Wars into the articles First Opium War and Second Opium War and turning the page into a dab between them, to avoid the existing content fork. — LlywelynII 13:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

2014 Chemins de Fer de Provence derailment

Assistance in improving the 2014 Chemins de Fer de Provence derailment article from French language sources is sought. Mjroots (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

More opinions needed

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TAFI needs global view

Today's article for improvement is Reconnaissance satellite, which is currently tagged with {{globalize}}. According to {{Rest of the World Reconnaissance Satellites}}, France has 4 recon satellites, but as yet the page has no material regarding France's program. Perhaps the editors on this page would be interested in adding some material related to the French perspective on the subject? 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:41, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Channel Islands

Hi, I created this proposal for a Channel Islands WikiProject if anyone wants to take a look. Thanks, Matty.007 19:49, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Latin peoples article deletion

Article Latin peoples has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss. Diego (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Articles on ethnic populations in Paris

Does anyone know of articles on ethnic populations in Paris? Something about the Algerian, Moroccan, Tunisian, and/or West African ethnic groups? What about ethnic Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians? Ethnic Tahitians, Reunion people, New Caledonians? WhisperToMe (talk) 03:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Need help finding French language articles on the International School of Paris

I would like to have help finding French language articles on the International School of Paris. Is it called "International School of Paris" or "Ecole internationale de Paris" in French? I know the New York Times posted an article talking about the school. Surely the French newspapers have done this too? WhisperToMe (talk) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fundamental Laws of the Kingdom of France

Dear France experts: Here's an old abandoned Afc article that lacks references. However, there is material in the French Wikipedia article that could be added to make it viable. Should it be kept and improved, or deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:08, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/de la Mare family

Dear France experts: This old abandoned Afc submission will shortly be deleted as a stale draft. Is there a reason to keep it? —Anne Delong (talk) 20:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't find an article for this family on the French-language Wikipedia. A few of the family members are discussed in the fr:Royaume de Nordmøre article, but not much else. Bms4880 (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to check this out. We do have Delamare, which at least lists notable members of this family. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


I am trying to translate some pages from the English Wikipedia to the French Wikipedia but am having trouble identifying communities in the French wikipedia where I can get involved. Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you, ForrestLyle (talk) 18:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Explanation of the French elections (1816-1824)

I found that the articles for the French legislative elections are missing or erroneous.
The elections in France between 1816 and 1824 were somewhat complex. The MPs were replaced by 1/5 each year, so partial elections were held in 1817, 1818, 1819, 1820, 1821 and 1822 (about 17 departments voted at each partial election). In 1820, following the law of the Double Vote, an annual replacement was held as usual in addition of the election of the 172 MPs elected by the wealthiest electors - as scheduled by the law. Consequently, it wasn't general election.
In 1822, two partial elections took place (in May and November), the second one was in fact moved ahead of schedule in order to vote the budget on 18 months.
Therefore no partial election was held in 1823.
In 1824, the Lower House was dissolved and general election was held. Soon after Villèle government passed a law to schedule the election every seven year, without annual replacement.
As I'm new to Wikipedia and not a native speaker, I don't feel confident enough to create the articles for the elections during these years, but I'd be happy to help and check if someone wants to do it (I have the accurate dates and results). Currently, there is only one article on these partial elections.(JoB 35 (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2014 (UTC))

I can help with this. Will we need articles for each election? Bms4880 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Not sure there is a need to create new articles for all the partial elections, as it was the same legislature from 1816 to 1824. One page with several sections for each partial election would be better imo. It also means the article for the French legislative election, 1820 should be merged with the French legislative election, 1816, but I don't know how to do that. I will add the proper party descriptions and electoral results because they are currently false. The website quoted in source isn't reliable.JoB 35 (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Let's go ahead and create a separate article for each year, since that appears to be convention. Do you have the figures from these elections? Bms4880 (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
OK. Here are the dates of the partial elections, with provisional results.

20/09/1817 (63MPs elected): Liberals: 12; Government: 61; Ultras: 0
20/10/1818 (52MPs): Liberals: 20; Government: ?; Ultras: ?
11/09/1819 (52MPs): Liberals: 32; Government: 15; Ultras: 5
04, 05, 11 & 15/11/1820 (223MPs):
01, 04 & 10/10/1821 (86MPs):
09, 14 & 16/05/1822 (88MPs): Left opposition: 32; Government: 56
13, 14 & 20/11/1822 (86MPs): Left opposition:: 7; Government: 79
I will fill the blanks tomorrow, and also explain the changes among the parties. If you create the pages, it would be easier for me to directly add the results there. Can I quote the newspapers of the time for the results? They are digitalized so I can add the links (for example here) JoB 35 (talk) 00:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

There is apparently a typo in the 1817 figures. Were 73 MPs elected, or did the Government faction win 51? Bms4880 (talk) 14:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. It's 51 MPs elected, including: Liberals: 12; Government: 39; Ultras: 0. However, I will probably make some slight corrections as it's difficult to have exact figures.JoB 35 (talk) 15:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Does the "Government" faction equate to "moderate royalist"? Bms4880 (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
In some ways (during the year 1815-20 and 1828-29). By "Government", I mean anyone not in opposition; people of the time said "Ministériels", but I couldn't find a translation. "Parties" were still primitive during the Restoration and there were a lot of changes; it was more stable later. The Liberals (or Far-Left) were constantly in the Left Opposition, joined by the Doctrinaires (or "Centre-Left", or "moderate royalists") between 1820-7 and 1829-30 (Villèle and Polignac ministries). The Centre-Right, composed of moderate royalists, always supported the Government, and allied either to the Centre-Left between 1816-20 and 1828-9, or to the Ultras (or Far-right) between 1820-7 and 1829-30. Hope it's clear.JoB 35 (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I've created French legislative election, 1817. I included a source, but it'll need the newspaper source as well. We'll need to clarify the pro-government and opposition situation of the contesting factions. Bms4880 (talk) 17:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I added a description of the political situation. I think we need a second column in the table to show the new weight of the parties in the Chamber after the partial election.JoB 35 (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Do you have the numbers for the new weight? We can create another column. Bms4880 (talk) 18:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
For the moment, I'm calculating the results between 1817-1821, but I will post them as soon as I have them. JoB 35 (talk) 18:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Here are the results for 1819. 53 seats: Liberals: 35; Government: 13; Ultras: 5. Two newspaper reports here and here. JoB 35 (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I've created French legislative election, 1819, with the two newspaper sources. We still the newspaper source for the 1817 article. Bms4880 (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Here is the Newspaper for 1817.JoB 35 (talk) 22:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/de Saboulin Bollena

Dear France experts: Here's an old Afc submission which will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is there any information and reference material in it which should be moved to the existing article at De Saboulin Bollena ? If so, is there someone who is familiar with this topic and could do this? —Anne Delong (talk) 20:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Artelia

Is this company notable or is this submission just someone looking for advertising for his company? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

French municipal elections, 2014

This article looks like it needs to be updated to cover the political shift in the elections. Can someone who is familiar with the topic take an attempt at it? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Never mind that article. What about every one of the 36,681 articles on French communes? The infobox on each includes (or should include) the name of the mayor and his/her period of office. This is almost never referenced. In all but a handful of cases, the information is for 2008-2014, so there is a massive updating task to be undertaken here - one hell of a chore. I believe saome time ago I came across an official website which listed mayors and municipal election results, but I can't remember where and have been unable to find an updated version. There is a lot to do here and much too much for one person. Anyone fancy setting up a working group, finding the information and sharing out the task (by department, perhaps) of updating these articles with a reference? Emeraude (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm in. I'll see if I can find some lists. I'm not sure if there is a grand list anywhere. Bms4880 (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 16/05

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Marina Affair. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)