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WikiProject icon WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities is part of the Fraternities and Sororities WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Greek Life on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to International social societies, local organizations, honor societies, and their members. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, visit the project page, where you can join the project, and/or contribute to the discussion.
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Corps Altsachsen Dresden[edit]

Hello everyone,

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A while ago, I started reading about this Wikiproject and decided that we needed to add a few German Fraternities to the mix. Hence, I translated an article with some friends of mine from German to English and added it to WP a few days ago. As I'm not a native speaker (and only two of my friends are "half-natives"), I would love to have the article be checked by a native English speaker.
The article deals with a typical old-school European fraternity that is only somewhat similar to what people know in the US and Canada as student societies. Anything that you'd like to add to or improve in the article would be highly appreciated.

The review can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Corps Altsachsen Dresden/archive1
(and the article, obviously is Corps Altsachsen Dresden)

Thank you for your help :) Cheers, --WikimanGer  Talk  Mail   17:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

AfD for Sorority at University of Ottawa[edit]

This AfD for Sigma Beta Phi on grounds of notability is relevant to your WikiProject, if you'd like to participate in the discussion. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:31, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Alumni Associations - new page or not?[edit]

A new user recently added a (rather large) list of area Alumni Associations to List of Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapters. I'm thinking that this list should be on its own page; while there are multiple AAs across the country, they're affiliated with regions and not specific universities/chapters. I thought I'd get some opinions before proceeding. Cheers. Primefac (talk) 18:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I'd say that alumni associations should definitely not be given a new page. I'm ambivalent on whether they should be on the chapter list pages: that should be a content discussion for the talk page.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Psi Upsilon crest[edit]

Hey, does anybody have an image of the crest of the Psi Upsilon fraternity? I've realized that we are missing one and it would be very useful to put on the page. Vacationlandman (talk) 07:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sorority and fraternity template[edit]

I'm wondering if we should make a sorority and fraternity template. There are separate templates for NPHC, greek umbrella organizations, etc, but it seems like it would be a better navigation tool if they were combined into one big template. For instance, if I'm in a fraternity and am interested in reading about that topic, chances are I want to read about organizations outside of just NPHC or NPC. I think it would be a good addition to wikipedia. I'm willing to do the work (if I can figure out how to do so). Thoughts? Bali88 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you talking about an infobox? If so, there's Template:Infobox Fraternity. Primefac (talk) 07:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
No, I mean a navigation template. I'm not sure if that's what it's called, but if you look at the bottom of the United States article, there is a "united states topics" box. I think there should be a big one that combines all of the various sorority and fraternity topics. Bali88 (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, it is finished. I'm sure it could still need some brushing up though if anyone wants to work on it. Template:Fraternities and Sororities Bali88 (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The template looks very nice, but it seems a bit lengthy to me. Is it really a good idea sticking that at the bottom of every fraternity/sorority page? There's already the List of social fraternities and sororities (which looks like it needs some minor cleanup), so a "See Also" section could be added to the bottom of each page linking to the full list instead of adding that monster.Primefac (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
It is very long. Way longer than I had anticipated. I'm still trying to figure out the direction I'm going to go with it. I figured out that some of the organizations are in multiple umbrella organizations, so if I delete the multiple listings, that will narrow it down some. I might also make the template just for social fraternities and sororities. That would cut it in half! It should change quite a bit in the next week or so. Bali88 (talk) 13:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I would leave just the first two rows "History" and "Related Concepts" and then add a third row with a list of lists of fraternities and sororities. Enos733 (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I tend to agree. I'll do that in the next few days. Someone else is welcome to work on it too. Bali88 (talk) 15:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Article on Beta Beta Beta needs this WikiProject's help to expand it[edit]

Granted, it's an academic fraternity (as opposed to social), but, this Project's Talk Page Banner (as seen at Talk:Alpha Phi Omega and other places) clearly states "includes but is not limited to International social societies, local organizations, honor societies..." and so there we have a Greek Letter Honor Society (AKA an Academic Fraternity). My point is that we should add more Sections to that Article, probably make the Chapter List a separate Article, and while I'm at it, make sure the serial numbers in the table match the actual chapter letters (instead of getting lazy at the end of a slowly expanding table, as it is right now).

Who else is with me on this? Look at the Article as it stands and see for yourself. It has improved immensely in the time I've followed it, but it is still not enough. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 22:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe this is obvious and I'm just not seeing it, but what are the numbers for? And yes, if we include all 500+ chapters, it would need a separate article! Bali88 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
The numbers are just a legend for the Local Chapter Letters. So we don't have to memorize that Rho Beta Chapter is (by definition) the 410th Chapter of its organization, for example. (Founding Chapter being Alpha, second being Beta, third Gamma, etc.) Still, you have a point. Perhaps we could remove the left column numbers from Beta Beta Beta (and other GLO Articles which currently have them) and Create an Article on Local Chapter Letters, or better yet, somebody develop an App that converts serial numbers to Chapter Letters and vice versa.
So we are in agreement about needing a separate List of Chapters Article, which we already have for Tau Kappa Epsilon, Alpha Phi Omega, Phi Beta Kappa, and others.
As to where this Article can go, there is plenty of information available on this organization's history, and also its association with Bios (one of the few peer-reviewed journals that accepts undergrad theses). There is certainly plenty of notability here! The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I think an organization with 500+ chapters is notable enough to have a stand alone list of chapters. My suggestion for the list is to make it sortable, then put a column detailing the year it was originally founded. That way, the reader can put it in order if they want to with just one click and if an editor comes by and does a crap job putting them in serial order, it's still a usable chart without a ton of work. Plus, I think there are probably a lot of dum dum readers like me who won't know what the numbers mean. Also, I don't know if this will work, but it's worth a shot: I'm wondering if we have a sortable list, instead of writing them out (Alpha Phi), if we put the greek letters instead (ΑΦ), if it would automatically alphabetize them? I think a sortable list is the way to go. I'm sure there are probably people who would want to put it in alphabetical order by school too, so I think it's a good solution. Bali88 (talk) 13:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
The entirety of this article seems to be the chapter list, so it definitely needs more fleshing out to avoid a possible AfD. I do agree, though, that there is no reason to put the chapter number in the table. I would suggest simply ordering them by founding date, which would both put them in Greek-alphabetical order; not really any reason I can see to have them be a sortable table. Any chapters founded out-of-order can have some sort of note (like those in the Phi Mu Alpha chapter list.Primefac (talk) 15:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
The reason I suggested to have a sortable table was because Willstro was concerned that multiple editors may work on it and put them out of order, necessitating further editing. Secondly, a reader may want to sort by most recent additions, or alphabetical by school. Also, it's not any extra work doing it that way, so there isn't much downside to it. Bali88 (talk) 15:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
See below, founding date and greek letter name do *not* line up for Beta Beta Beta.Naraht (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Table List[edit]

OK, I've uploaded the list from, cleaned it up a *lot*, table-ized it and put it at User:Naraht/BBB chapters sandbox (Yes, Ideally we'd use the Fratchapterstart, etc templates, but for now...). The numbers are irrelevant as far as I can tell, Beta was not chapter #2 in founding, (somewhere between 6th and 9th) and as far as I can tell, the chapter letters were defined by location, (for example all of the chapters starting with Zeta are in Puerto Rico). If the areas can be referenced, then it might even make sense to split the table by these sections. I can certain change/add the spelled out letters (Zeta) with the Greek, but I'm not sure it makes as much sense. No information on how to sort within the years, haven't found an easily accessible list with months and days. Anyway, take a look.

Archiving topics[edit]

This talk page is getting a bit long, if no one is opposed I'll set up an archive with lowercase sigmabot III.Primefac (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC

There are previous archives, but apparently created by hand (User:Miranda mostly). I'm cool with the addition of botted archives here.Naraht (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Derp, didn't even notice the archives list at the top. It's not a huge page (and doesn't get added to very often) so I'll just do it by hand. Primefac (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Just because there is a large (> 3 month) gap, I'd move everything up to April 2013 into the archive and keep the October 2013 and after.Naraht (talk) 16:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)