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Cleaning up our project pages[edit]

As I said in my June election pledge, I'm planning to copy-edit and clean up some of our Project pages between now and the end of the year. For a project that prides itself on the quality of its copy-edits, I think some of our pages are woefully confusing. Obviously they're the work of multiple editors and have become cluttered over the years; now is as good a time as any for dusting out the electronic cobwebs!

I'll start with the drive page, which I think needs clearer, more concise instructions. I've copied it into my user space here. Please feel free to comment; either here or on its talk page. I'll require the approval of at least two coordinators before I move it into project space.

Are there any GOCE Project pages you think need particular attention? Please list them below in this section and I'll work through them one-by-one. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The page I have envisioned making into a much better tool is the Task List. I have not had the energy to take it on, but I envision a step-by-step guide explaining exactly which pages need to be edited in order to open a blitz, close a blitz, open a drive, close a drive, and calculate and distribute barnstars. This would include instructions on creating and distributing newsletters, updating the various status pages and tables as well as the "current blitz/drive" tabs. There are a lot of little steps to opening a drive, for example, and it would be good to have a solid reference for how to do it.
If you're not interested in taking that on, focus on what interests you. I have your sandbox on my watchlist, so I'll keep an eye on changes happening there. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives and Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes both have Instructions for coordinators sections at the very bottom. It might be a good idea to centralise this information, though. I think we sometimes used to forget they were there :) --Stfg (talk) 08:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Some of the drive and blitz coordinator instructions (notifying the Signpost, posting on the reward board and the community bulletin board) are, I think, either obsolete (I don't think the Signpost promotes drives any more) or—given our recent QC problems—inadvisable. All the best, Miniapolis 13:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
While we're at it, I have a draft of an SVG version of the GOCE logo kicking around. Apparently it is on some sort of priority list for conversion. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philg88 (talkcontribs) 14:39, 4 September 2014‎
Thanks for the suggestions all; I'm certainly interested in getting as many of our pages as I can cleaned up / copy-edited. I'll start with the drive page as I've already coped that to my user space, and I'd prefer to tackle one page at a time, but I can make a "to do list" in my user space. If anyone else is interested in taking these on, please feel free to do so. Phil, thanks for doing the draft. If you'd like to upload it somewhere I'm sure we can discuss changing from the current PNG version, but I'm giving a non-comment comment at the moment; sorry. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────My cleaned-up version of the bi-monthly drive page is here; please feel free to do any further work you think is necessary. I've tried to make the instructions clearer and more concise, and I've juggled the layout somewhat. I've populated the page with old data to show how it would look if implemented. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:03, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Looks good—less cluttered and less intimidating to new copyeditors. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 13:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Drives main page[edit]

I've copied the Drives main page to User:Baffle gab1978/Sandbox2 for editing; you can use the talk page there to make page-specific comments. Note though that it'll be deleted if and when the result is copied into project space. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Blitz main page[edit]

I've replaced the above with the blitz main page in User:Baffle gab1978/Sandbox. I've copied relevant text from the new version of the drives main page and am editing as relevant the blitzes. Please feel free to check and comment upon my editing; it should be ready to copy over in a few days from now. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I've now finished my initial work on the Blitz main page; comments appreciated before I copy it over. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Copied over. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Blitz page template[edit]

I've created a template for the blitzes; coordinators can more easily create blitz pages without having to fish out pages from old blitzes' histories. It's at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/Template; please feel free to make any edits necessary. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed copyedit and layout change at WP:AVOIDYOU[edit]

There is a copyedit and layout proposal at "Avoiding personal attacks". Guild member participation would be appreciated. Lightbreather (talk) 00:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I love copy editors[edit]

I like to write articles and reference the stuff in articles. I am a total bafoon when it comes to wikimarkup for the references. I couldn't do it without copy editors. How can I give every copy editor a barnstar?

  Bfpage |leave a message  22:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyeditor Barnstar Hires.png to all of you

Aw, thanks; we'd have nothing to copyedit without the content creators :-). All the best, Miniapolis 22:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Reorganising the Main page[edit]

Hi all. I'd like to rewrite and reorganise this project's main page. I think it should be outward-facing, informative and welcoming to new copy-editors. Wikiproject Military History does this quite well, albeit with layout problems; our main page comprises rhetorical questions (New to copy editing and need help? Want to join the Guild? What is copyediting? Want to request an edit?), unfocussed text and odd things like the progress chart. "Goals and scope" is probably the most focussed section there, though I think the "Top 10" is patronising. The "Tools" section is useful, but I must scroll right to the foot of the page to find it. The page, at best, is a jumble.

So I'd like to invite suggestions for reorganising, rewriting and simplifying the main page. What do you want to see there? What are its strengths and weaknesses? How can it be improved? Over to you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

My initial thoughts: I think the audience for the page should primarily be people who want to find out if getting involved in our project is a good fit for them.
Most of our activity is organized around drives and blitzes, both of which are usually focused on reducing the backlog of articles tagged for copy editing. We should lead with these activities.
After that, we should probably describe the skills that are needed to be a good copy editor, and maybe some examples of good copy editing work. We could also describe, briefly, the mechanics of how to copy edit an article (e.g. review the article to see if you can improve its prose, remove the copy edit tag, edit the article in sections if it is long, provide good edit summaries).
We should mention the Requests page at some point, with an invitation to editors to submit their requests, especially for articles pursuing GA and FA status. I don't have a strong opinion on where this section goes in the flow of the page.
So that's the main body of the page. We probably also want a few "status-update" sorts of items, like the monthly backlog list and some sort of "how are we doing", along with maybe the Ombox.
That's my late-night two cents, anyway. I'm open to other things being included, but I think the basic items above should be the focus. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Just to add to all that (which I agree with), imo the requests should be placed to give them some prominence, because this is what we contribute to the quality end of the encyclopedia. --Stfg (talk) 09:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking on these thankless tasks, Baffle; you've done a great job so far, and I trust your judgement. You're right, the page as it is now is cluttered. It's also, IMO, too long; the top 10 reasons and the progress chart can probably go, and the "Tools" section should be moved up. While we obviously need to publicize the requests page for potential contributors, I'd also like to see an emphasis for new copyeditors on learning the ropes with becklog articles before tackling a GAN or FAC. The drives and blitzes are fun but overemphasizing them, I think, tends to attract editors who may lose sight of the ultimate objects of our game: timely copyedits of requested articles (particularly GANs and FACs) and the ongoing whittling of the backlog. Thanks again and all the best, Miniapolis 13:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for all the comments so far; I'll copy the page's elements into my sandbox later this evening and start working on it there. I'm not totally opposed to the progress chart, but I think it could have its own sub-page—I think it's a useful tool for generating stats etc. Further comments are welcome, and I'll be taking my time to make a decent job of it. My mock-up is here in my Sandbox; all the component pages are in their project-space equivalent locations in my user space. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

An idea to make creating Drive and Blitz pages easier[edit]

Hi all, I wonder whether using a template to create new Drive and Blitz pages would be wothwhile. It occurred to me that the entire blank page, which coordinators must cut-and-paste from existing drive page histories, could be put into Template space and simply invoked whenever needed. Something like {{subst:Create-GOCE-drive-page}} would be obscure enough to discourage misuse and specific enough to avoid accidental invocation. It might even be possible to automatically fill the variables, like start and end dates, using piped switches. So would this a) uoset anyone or contravene any community norms, or b) break and rules of the use of Template space? Would it be a useful way of creating these pages? Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea. I don't see what rules of template space it might break, but if it does break any, then it could be put in any page in GOCE project space. Substitution and template syntax can be used anywhere. --Stfg (talk) 09:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Simon. Thanks for thinking outside the box! All the best, Miniapolis 13:59, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all; I've asked on the help desk here whether this would cause an unexpected problems; the last thing I want is to have others cleaning up my mess. Stfg, I didn't realise substitution could work anywhere; thanks for telling me. If I can't copy the pages into template space, we could subst them from pages in Wikipedia space. This makes me realise I've a lot to learn about templates! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking about this suggestion while I was supposed to be listening to something else today. Could we / should we be clever enough to have input variables that consist of the current month, the backlog months that get extra credit, and the month of the previous drive (for linking to the previous drive's barnstars page)? I think it would be great if those things could be populated in all of the appropriate places. We always miss one or two. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Jonesey; I'd like to be able to put all the variables into the templates; I can't promise anything yet though. However, I've been playing in my user space; the simpler Blitz template is at User:Baffle gab1978/Create-new-Blitz-page and an example of the result is at User:Baffle gab1978/Sandbox2—feel free to play there if you wish. I'll start the documentation later tonight. I still want to eventually move these into Template space to keep the syntax as easy and memorable as possible. Despite asking on the Help Desk, I haven't heard any reasons I shouldn't move them there. Maybe {{GOCEBlitzpage}} and {{GOCEDrivepage}} would suffice; I doubt those names would cause any problems. Unfortunately, I haven't yet found a ways of adding the "Signing up" section creation link through the template syntax, so that'll have to be added manually until I can. Cheers,Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)