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List of specialist photographic suppliers[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory. The list consists of four businesses, of which only one has an article. That business seems a bit dicey as far as notability is concerned. But in any case, the list a directory. That's a no no on here. Ad Orientem (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Delete Even the opening paragraph (well, sentence actually) makes it clear that the purpose of the article is as a directory so it obviously violates that policy. Keresaspa (talk) 19:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment - AO, I'm not taking it personally. I just figure it's useful. - Denimadept (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOTDIR. See also WP:USEFUL -- the answer to the question, "Why is this useful?" is that it will tell someone where they can find current purveyors of a service they need. It's a shopping guide. You could somehow rethink this so that it includes photographic businesses that are notable for providing unusual services, and don't limit the scope to exclude defunct companies, it might become encyclopedic. But I'm not exactly sure what that solution would look like. Could be moved to user space for more work. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Already copied to a sandbox space. - Denimadept (talk) 07:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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Walterlan Papetti[edit]

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Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Having photos published is not inherently notable. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep : Notable per coverage. Emilysantoss (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Evina Schmidova[edit]

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On 15 September 2014, I proposed this article for deletion with the following rationale: No independent and reliable sources confirming that she is a notable photographer. Close paraphrasing of http://www.evinafoto.com/bio-evina-schmidova/. My prod has been removed on 16 September 2014 by an IP, with the explanation: I don't understand. Why??!!! Look at http://www.evinafoto.com/portfolio-category/musicans-bands/. I don't think that the link constitutes what we consider reliable and independent source, my concerns about the notability remain and therefore I continue here at AfD. Thanks for any opinions. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 08:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete – notability not established. Merely existing is not sufficient in order to have an article. C679 10:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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Drik picture library[edit]

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This article has had large chunks of promotional text removed (it was written by a clearly COI account) but still seems to be a semi-coherent promotion for this picture agency and its related organisations. I'm not seeing anything anywhere to convince me it meets WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Theres no explanation for the "award winning" claim either. Sionk (talk) 22:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Keep (and move to "Drik Picture Library", so capitalized). The article has at times been a bloated PR text (2009 example) and was crap when Sionk nominated it for deletion. And it's still an unconvincing mess now, with its almost complete lack of conventional references and strange section of "further reading". It's me who perpetrated this section -- as a stopgap measure, because I simply lack the time to do more work on this article in a great hurry. The section recycles what was previously a list of "references", but replaces dead links with Wayback copies and removes links that were obviously unusable. (Do not infer that I think all that survive are usable. I haven't paid close attention to all of them.) We have some ho-hum stuff here, but we also have a "case study" of Drik in a non-negligible book, and more. To me, the term "picture library" looks like "stock photo agency"; but (for those with any interest in notability in the normal, non-Wikipedia sense of the word) it's clear that this outfit is more. As for the comment that there's no explanation for "award winning", that's right, there wasn't -- but it only took me a couple of minutes to find (here) that not only did it get an award, but that the award was of €200,000, which I'd say is a fair amount of moolah. So yes, the article needs more work (at the end of which most of the "further reading" will be recycled as references [via <ref>these things</ref>] and the remainder dumped), but there's enough promise here for it to be retained. -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Jubair Bin Iqbal[edit]

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Autobiographical article about an amateur photographer. No signs of any notability, the claimed awards do not seem to be at all major. Fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 06:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete. May qualify WP:CSD#A7. It is clearly self-promoting article. There we can find thousands of photographers like Jubair in Bangladesh, each having own some I don't know what it means kind of award and many of them feel fake "celebrity" status! None of them are notable enough to be on Wikipedia. – nafSadh did say 16:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Dick Swanson[edit]

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appears not to meet notability criteria. Additionally, this article has 2 people lumped together as one (look at the references), and splitting doesn't solve the notablility issue (also note Ticket:2014091210002996, which concerns me starting this AfD). --Mdann52talk to me! 07:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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First of all I don't have log in to your ticket thing, so I can't verify what is the problem. Second, as I mentioned in my edit summary one of them have over 400 photos for various notable magazines, as the ref suggests. My suggestion would be to live at least one of them. Any thoughts?--Mishae (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. This (details) shows that his archive is kept and catalogued by a major university, which I think indicates notability (in the normal sense of the word), and I think that there are enough bits and pieces about him on the web for the creation of an article. (There may be material in books and magazines too.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC) .... Elaboration: Keep an article on the Dick Swanson who was born in 1934. (I haven't yet formed an opinion on the 1933–2009 Dick Swanson.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think the main problem is that there are at least two Dick Swanson's that are photographers. The one born in 1934, raised in Illinois with the utexas.edu archive, wife from Vietnam, White House photos, etc.[1] / swansonphotography.com And the one born in 1933 in Michigan, died 2009 in Florida.swanson-media.com One of those (or a third Dick Swanson?) took a bunch of photos for the EPA in the 1970s and some of them ended up on commons, commons:Category:Dick Swanson. I think the utexas.edu one is the more interesting one, but there is very little biographical detail available online to use to make a proper biography. --Dual Freq (talk) 02:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment. Thank you for bothering to elucidate what I'd been too lazy to look into. ¶ The photographer of commons:Category:Dick Swanson is given a little fingernail [it hardly amounts to a "thumbnail"] sketch here. This work is hard to square with what's written in the CV of Swanson 1933-2009, though not completely incompatible with it. It's easier to square with the potted autobio of the other Swanson. Whoever the photographer was, I'd expect there to have been some correspondence between him and the relevant government agency; unfortunately the U Texas archive doesn't appear to include any correspondence, so we learn nothing here. -- Hoary (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep, but focus on Dick L. Swanson, photographer (b. 1934) of the U Texas archive and remove swanson-media.com related items. I found a handful of sources Talk:Dick Swanson#Dick Swanson (b.1934) and I think he meets WP:Artist. He seems well known in assignment photography, especially Vietnam related. A Day in the Life of the United States Armed Forces lists him amongst their list of "25 of the best military photographers". And his bio says his work is included in the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art.[2] Business Insider also thinks he is the same Dick Swanson of commons:Category:Dick Swanson and it would be nice to have a bio here since there are several dozen DOCUMERICA photos on commons. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Harry Weber (photographer)[edit]

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Does not appear to be a WP:NOTABLE photographer. Boleyn (talk) 21:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete In addition to not being able to find appropriate sources, the exhibition record looks weak for WP:ARTIST. --j⚛e deckertalk 01:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Zhang Peng (artist)[edit]

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Appears to be a Chinese artist. Tagged for unclear notability for over six years.Sources are not independent. Google produces primarily his social media. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Per WP:ARTIST he is in the permanent collections of the Saatchi Gallery, London and the Klein Sun Gallery, New York.  Philg88 talk 15:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Colin Hampden-White[edit]

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This is an unreferenced WP:PROMO article created by a WP:SPA used to promote only Colin Hampden-White ‎and Buck Brothers (a band photographed by Hampden-White). Additionally, this fails WP:ARTIST, including points 5b and 5c. (Exhibitions are minor gallery exhibitions and substantive press coverage is thin.)  —Waldhorn (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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There is a dearth of reliable sources that meet the intent of WP:RS and the significant coverage aspect of WP:SIGCOV, many are dead links and/ or awfully bloggy. I admit I didn't try to put these dead links in the "wayback machine". Allow me to ask you, do you think multiple good sources can be cobbled together for this person? The article reads like a resume, and that supported my agreement with the nom's rationale... Roberticus talk 03:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't claim to know whether the sources are adequate, or even near adequate. What I am certain of is that a claim that this article has no sources or no references either is false or extends the meaning of "no" far beyond anything to which I'm accustomed. But let's make a start by looking at the ostensible sources that I listed above. (I've lazily retained the titles provided in the Wikipedia article.)

The series "Mayfair squatters" shows young female squatters (we're told), dressed either attractively or not at all, lounging around what's said to be a monstrously expensive house. This will have some appeal to those who simply enjoy T&A, and plenty of appeal to the curtain-twitching readers of the Daily Mail, Evening Standard, and other tabloids. Not surprising that searching for our man's name together with "Mayfair squatters" brings quite a lot of hits. Sorry, I'm not motivated to investigate their quality, but I'd object to any claim that they don't exist. -- Hoary (talk) 14:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Women in photography[edit]

In connection with Women's History Month 2013, we are trying to develop coverage of Women in photography, just as we covered Women in architecture last year. There is already a basic list which we need to expand but we also need to write an article on the topic — I could make a start myself in a week or two if there are no other volunteers. Furthermore, I am sure we will discover lots of additional names, organisations, etc., which will require articles. We should try to get started quickly as March is Women's History Month. Anyone interested in participating? --Ipigott (talk) 10:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm in. I'll need to research the topic for a few days. Bms4880 (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I've added Fay Godwin to the list as she was an important British landscape photographer, also started a stub article on Australian photographer Polixeni Papapetrou whose importance can be judged from at least a dozen solo exhibitions and being in 30 permanent collections (see her website for many examples of her work). Samatarou (talk) 05:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to help (and have already added names to the list), but unfortunately my time will be limited. -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone know the oldest known photograph taken by a woman? I found something that said it was taken by Henry Fox Talbot's wife, Constance, but I can't find the photograph. Bms4880 (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Please see the evolving article Women in photography for early photographs taken by women.--Ipigott (talk) 13:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Great work on that article! As for the List of photographers, would a sortable list be better, or should it be divided by country, like the List of women photographers? Bms4880 (talk) 14:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. User Sionk was the one who came up with the idea of sorting by country in his List of female architects. I rather like it and it seems to work. It would also be a useful basis for developing separate lists of photographers by country. A sortable list is difficult to set up and may not be easy to manipulate by those who are not familiar with the markup, etc. But let's wait to see if there are other reactions.--Ipigott (talk) 16:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Are we keeping or ditching the key? Bms4880 (talk) 18:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it is very helpful. I would like to see a full revision. What do you think yourself? --Ipigott (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Reorganized[edit]

I went ahead and reorganized by country. I kept the key for now. If the photographer had more than one country, I went with the best choice based on the article, and I used country of origin when in doubt. Bms4880 (talk) 18:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Les Forgerons.jpg[edit]

image:Les Forgerons.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:36, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Lemuel Cook.jpeg[edit]

image:Lemuel Cook.jpeg has been nominated for deletion. This is a photo of one of only 7 veterans of the American War of Independence to have been photographed. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

WP: Exhibitions[edit]

In light of the increase in GLAM projects internationally, I'd like to start a new WikiProject, WP:Exhibitions to help coordinate activities around major museum and gallery exhibitions. If you are interested in the project, please contact me here or on my talk page. I'm hoping to establish guidelines for creating, editing, and tagging articles on major exhibitions and to begin improving articles in this area of Wikipedia. OR drohowa (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Interested in collaborating on a quick DYK article?[edit]

Ella E. McBride, an assistant to Edward S. Curtis, would make a great DYK. Has references, just needs some prose ... Djembayz (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Afghan_Girl#Requested_move_22_April_2014[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Afghan_Girl#Requested_move_22_April_2014. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject History of Photography at Wikimania 2014[edit]

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