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WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas (Rated NA-class)
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Beginning[edit]

I created the basic framework of the wikiproject but didn't want to get too far without input. How should the goals and guidelines be phrased? -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Added more rough draft ideas - please feel free to edit. -Uyvsdi (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

I've added some more infrastructure. Some of these will be blank or redlinked until the relevant bots do their next run. Rd232 talk 02:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! -Uyvsdi (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
You're welcome. I would also recommend setting up User:AlexNewArtBot and using User:Xenobot Mk V or similar to tag pages with the project banner based on what category they're in. cheers, Rd232 talk 16:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm planning on that, but have been first trying to identity and categorize articles. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Twitter[edit]

Hi! I'm going to make a Twitter account for the WikiProject, allowing us to share new, expanded and updated articles with the public. It might even be a cool idea to make a Facebook page. With other projects I've been involved in, it's really helped gain views and awareness about what we're producing. Sadly, I'm not that creative or I'd come up with some clever logo :) I will post an update with the Twitter account and any Project folks interested in the password information can email me. Missvain (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Automated process to tag articles in project scope and/or auto-assess unassessed articles[edit]

A request has been made to tag & auto-assess articles in the scope of this project based on categories and/or auto-assess the project's unassessed articles.

To auto-assess, the bot looks for a {{stub}} template on the article, or inherits the class rating from other project banners (see here for further details).

Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this process. The task will commence after 72 hours if there are no objections.

Uyvsdi (talk) 06:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC) -Uyvsdi (talk) 06:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

New articles and DYK[edit]

A housekeeping question: should articles that have appeared on DYK (and are listed in the DYK section) be removed from the 'New articles' section? -- Donald Albury 13:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

You're right; I'll get on it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

links from language articles[edit]

Although you guys have been good at linking ethnicity articles to the appropriate language articles, we've been pretty slack in doing the reverse. I've made a proposal at Infobox language to add an ethnicity parameter (or whichever term you think is appropriate and easy to type – 'nation' has been unfortunately (and inaccurately) used for states where a language is official, though we can change that to s.t. else with a bot if people like) so that there's quick and easy access to the anthro articles from the language articles. (More obvious and probably more reliable in the long run than a 'see also' link at the bottom of the page.) Please chime in if you'd like that; you'd probably know best here which articles should be linked. — kwami (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles finally autotagged[edit]

DodoBot autotagged articles for the Indigenous peoples of the Americas, so next step is assessing them. There's now over 493 articles here: Category:Unassessed Indigenous peoples of the Americas articles, and articles can be assessed for importance as well. This is a great step in finding out where the gaps are in coverage of IPA articles. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

questions about using template[edit]

I've recently added a couple of articles about notable persons with Indigenous heritage (Alan Tafoya, Darryl Tonemah) and am not sure about using the identifying template for this project with them. I put them on the articles' talk pages. Is this correct? Or should it go elsewhere? Or do these articles even fall under the scope of this project? Thanks MinervaK (talk) 17:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. These individuals might be best covered by WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Indigenous peoples from Canada and the mainland United States are well covered by that group. Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America are all geographically part of North America but tend to get neglected by WPIPNA, so I typically double tag those. Greenlandic and Alaskan articles get tagged WPINPA as well as WP:WikiProject Arctic. WP:WikiProject Mesoamerica focuses on precolumbian and protohistorical Mesoamerican history, so anything more recent fall under the aegis of WPIPA. Then any indigenous articles from South America fall exclusively under this group. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Native American stickball in Mississippi[edit]

The LA Times did a story on Choctaw Native American stickball in Mississippi:

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Request for comment on article naming conventions for peoples, ethnicities and tribes[edit]

Please check the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)#Articles on peoples (ethnicities and tribes) on how ethnicity articles should be named. Thanks, -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Ceramics of indigenous peoples of the Americas[edit]

This article is getting a much-needed overhaul and is shaping up to be a very good overview. Many regions' ceramic traditions still need summarizing. Please take a look at Ceramics of indigenous peoples of the Americas, if you would care to contribute. The Guianas/Intermediate Zone and the Amazon could certain expansion and the Caribbean section hasn't even be begun. Thanks for any assistance! -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Textile arts of indigenous peoples of the Americas[edit]

Seeing how there's still such a dearth of top-tier indigenous art articles, I just created this article. It's still fairly rudimentary, so any additions and improvements would be gratefully appreciated. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

College class working on relevant articles, January – May 2012[edit]

I'm teaching a class on Human Rights of Indigenous Peoples during spring semester at Hunter College. The class includes a Wikipedia component by way of the Wikipedia:United States Education Program. Its homepage is at Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Human Rights of Indigenous Peoples (Carwil Bjork-James). Please welcome my students as fellow editors to topics relevant to this project. Cheers!--Carwil (talk) 20:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! Look forward to seeing their work. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi
I'm an Online Ambassador. I'll go ahead and add myself to the course page. -- Donald Albury 21:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I have left some links for refs see here.Moxy (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I think this article could have a lot of potential. If I were to change or add to it, I would include more about their history and background. Also I could have a separate section made specifically for land disputes and current events happening between the Wai Wai and local peoples of the nation of Guyana and Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waffleszrus (talkcontribs)

Waffleszrus, I think this comment belongs at Talk:Wai-wai people. -- Donald Albury 00:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

RfC on Indigenous people[edit]

I have started an RfC at talk:Indigenous people regarding the definition and scope of the article because some editors are using the page to include all ethnic groups who claim to descend from the first known inhabitants of a place - such as Germans, Finns, Russians, Georgians etc. This definition would exclude several indigenous groups that have migrational histories from the scope and conflict with the established political definitions of the term. Please weigh in on which definition to use.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Indigenous peoples of the Americas/Intro[edit]

Anyone care to look into this? An editor who has not contributed to any indigenous peoples of the Americas is pushing his uncited POV that there's something wrong with the concepts of being mixed-race or multiracial. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Added it to my watchlist. -- Donald Albury 13:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Standard for European "discovery" in the Americas[edit]

An issue has been raised on what guidelines exist in WP on how to describe the first sighting by Europeans of physical features in the Americas (see Talk:Vasco Núñez de Balboa#Quotes around the word "discovery"). Which made me look up a quote I saw recently, from the author's (Warburton Pike) introduction to The Barren Ground of Northern Canada:

... I naturally passed through a great deal of new country, and discovered, as we white men say when we are pointed out some geographical feature by an Indian who has been familiar with it since childhood, many ...

So, anyway, are there any existing guidelines that would apply, or should we pursue developing a quideline? -- Donald Albury 12:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Fifth World (Native American mythology)[edit]

An editor has just brought this article to my attention. It seems to be based on Graham Hancock rather than any of the academic literature. I'll drop some links on its talk page. Dougweller (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Must get to bed but I've just had to replace all the text as it was straight copyvio. Found an old version which is also pretty bad, but it was either that or blank the page. So it wasn't Hancock after all, someone just added that as a reference. It was the first 3 paragraphs of this page[1]. Dougweller (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Defining indigenous American identity[edit]

This discussion is posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America since that Wikiproject is more active, but please, please contribute to the dicussion there, since it needs to be addressed. Of course, no two people on the planet have the exact same criteria for determining indigenous American identity, but hopefully some commonalities can be discovered and good citations shared. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Recognition of Native American sacred sites in the United States[edit]

The article seems completely notable but would be the scope of WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. I can link other articles to it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Need subject expert concerning Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Gregory Deyermenjian[edit]

A couple of us have uncovered a large set of articles which seem to be promotional for Gregory Deyermenjian and which have probably been edited by him or by close associates. We need expert assessment of the articles from someone who is familiar with the state of Incan archaeological studies. It would be simplest if the discussion were conducted at the WP:FT/N section linked above. Mangoe (talk) 18:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Nephite and Lamanite[edit]

An editor has just added them to this wikiproject - is that appropriate? I'd say no. Dougweller (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

"America"[edit]

The usage of "America" is up for discussion, see talk:America -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

"The Americas, a landmass comprising North and South America"" — I see no problem with this. -Uyvsdi (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Lanaguage?[edit]

I cannot verify that Conambo language existed. Found no hits on Google. It could be google bias against everything non-English and non-western, or it could be a hoax. I don't have any specialized knowledge in linguistics or indigenous peoples. Can someone look into this? Thanks, Renata (talk) 20:36, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Ethnologue doesn't mention it, and it has no ISO 639-3, so should probably be nominated for deletion. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

WikiProject Americas[edit]

FYI, there's a proposal to create a western hemisphere coordinating project above NA/SA/etc. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Americas -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC at Talk: Genocide of indigenous peoples[edit]

There is an RfC at Talk:Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#RfC:_Scope_of_this_article about whether that article should employ the narrow legal definition of "indigenous peoples" or a broader commonsense definition.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Eyes needed[edit]

See Talk:Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Dougweller (talk) 11:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Naming convention for identically named indigenous peoples[edit]

I'm about to create a new page for the Yuki people of central Bolivia. However, Yuki people already exists, describing an unrelated ethnic group in California. Does anyone have strong preferences about the disambiguating phrase: country, state/department, or broader ethnic category. That is, should there be Yuki people (United States) or Yuki people (California) on the one hand, and Yuki people (Bolivia) or Yuki people (Cochabamba) or Yuki people (Tupi-Guarani) on the other. I'm leaning towards Yuki people (California) and Yuki people (Bolivia) since these are recognizable geographic divisions with the necessary specificity (the Yuki of Bolivia previously lived in Santa Cruz as well as Cochabamba departments).--Carwil (talk) 05:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Maku people is one of the worst case scenarios, I've encountered, so it's remained a disambiguation page. Ethnologue is the best source I've found for alternate names (and for pointing out which names are pejorative and should be avoided). They prefer the term "Yuqui", so that might be your best choice in this instance, with a hatnote placed at the top of the Californian Yuki people article linking to the Bolivian article. (BTW Yuki people has been stable in its name for three years, so even though there's a lot of unilateral moves going on in ethnic group articles :( any moves there should be proposed and consent established.)
Yuqui, Yuquis, and Yuqui people are all up for grabs. Their language, Yuqui language, already has an article, as distinguished from Yuki language, so that establishes a viable naming system. BTW thanks for creating the Yuki-Ichilo River Native Community Lands article. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:39, 23 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Despite the fact that the letter k is an unusual letter in the Spanish, Yuki appears to be a far more common name for the indigenous group in Bolivia, but sources differ. Advice?
test Yuki Yuqui
Google hits Yuki Bolivia -wikipedia
About 843,000 results
Yuqui Bolivia -wikipedia
About 44,500 results
Google hits, English phrase "Yuki people" Bolivia -wikipedia
408 results
Yuqui Bolivia -wikipedia
190 results
Google Books hits Yuki Bolivia -wikipedia
1640 results
Yuqui Bolivia -wikipedia
About 2200 results
Bolivian Constitution "Yuki"
Ethnologue "Yuqui"
Alliance for Linguistic Diversity "Yuki"
Territory "Yuqui-CIRI"
In general, I don't think avoiding duplicates by using different spellings is a good enough reason, so please help me get this right.--Carwil (talk) 04:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I am not sure if this is a good naming precedent to set. We would be basically creatingrenewed impetus for a naming convention that appears to be otherwise declining. Probably a disambiguation solution is better, for example Yuki people (California) and Yuki people (Bolivia).User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 04:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Yuki people is well established, so moving it would require consensus-building. -Uyvsdi (talk) 07:57, 24 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
User:Uyvsdi has created Yuqui people (and put in some good work on fleshing it out) rather than await an agreement here on what's appropriate. I'm not comfortable with that as the decisionmaking process. (And I would add that this kind of sidestepping an active conversation feels disrespectful and frustrating; if it were my first foray onto wikipedia, it might have discouraged me from coming back.)

Anyhow, comments on the naming? Should I solicit more input at a noticeboard?--Carwil (talk) 16:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to offend you, but the problem is utterly solvable and has been for years. Many ethnic groups who don't have Wikipedia articles do have corresponding language articles, and there is nothing wrong with following the precedent set by the language articles. Yuki people is arguably the primary topic, so there would be no call to move that (and you would need consensus). During the five-day gap in this "active conversation," I was able to create four Bolivian ethnic group articles.
There already are longstanding policies in place about disambiguation. According to WP:NCDAB, "Natural disambiguation. When there is another term (such as Apartment instead of Flat) or more complete name (such as English language instead of English) that is unambiguous, commonly used in English, and equally clear, that term may be used." It goes on: "Natural disambiguation is generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation; for instance mechanical fan and hand fan are used instead of fan (mechanical) and fan (implement). If natural disambiguation is not available, a parenthetical is used." There was a simple natural disambiguation here. Parenthetical disambiguation is a last resort, not a first resort. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
BTW Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes) spells out some issues. You might suggest edits to that. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

AfD requiring expert attention[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daykeeper could use the input of experts in Maya culture, who I assume frequent this page. Thanks!

הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 18:52, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Have you posted at WP:WikiProject Mesoamerica? That would be where the Maya experts would be. Mesoamerica is North America, so WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America might be good as well. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

New genome sequencing study[edit]

I'd just like to note that I've added information to the Clovis culture article about the genome sequencing study that just appeared in Nature, and nominated the story at WP:ITN/C. Additional edits would of course be welcome. Looie496 (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Will add this to Genetic history of indigenous peoples of the Americas when i read more about it over the next few days. Feel free to do so yourself if your in a rush. -- Moxy (talk) 19:24, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

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Jemez language promotion from a stub.[edit]

Hi there. I recently noticed that a lot of content was added to the Jemez language page. It was roughly put there, perhaps copied and pasted, but it was a significant amount. I've reworded a lot of it, and fixed the crude typological layout and have removed the stub template. I've also added some sources in the bibliography section for further research. If anyone has access to these articles, it could really help that page. Thanks. Joeystanley (talk) 14:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I contacted a user who had access to one source, so I added as much as I could to the page. Tribal rules prohibit the the language to be written, so I wasn't able to put specific words (one of my edits has already been deleted because of this). I also transferred the consonant inventory into IPA charts, though I'm not sure if they look all right. Anyway, that's my update. Joeystanley (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your edits. I added information about the tribe's language program and updated the WikiProjects. Since the Pueblo of Jemez is in the United States, it would fall under WP:WP Indigenous peoples of the Americas' daughter WikiProject: WP:WP Indigenous peoples of North America. WP:WP IPA was created since Latin American Indigenous peoples articles have been so neglected. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi

AfC submission - 22/04[edit]

Draft:Tlaxcalteca nation and affiliated tribes. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 03:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuSandLeArN, have you considering merging your material into the pre-existing Tlaxcaltec article? The fact that you've been able to cite your material should make expanding the Tlaxcatlec article no problem. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 04:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi
I'm not the submitter. I'm an AfC reviewer calling for your attention. That's along the lines of what I told the editor too. Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Checked it out further and commented there. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi