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Top 101 Industrial Songs of All-time[edit]

I'm posting this link here, in case anyone wants to use it to start adding mentions to the songs on this list. Feature: 101 Greatest Industrial Songs of All Time. COMA is a reliable source, so this should be good to go. —Torchiest talkedits 22:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Bumping this so the bot doesn't eat it. —Tourchiest talkedits 21:49, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Added pages to project[edit]

I just put {{WikiProject Industrial}} on about 1400 talk pages, so our various bot friends will know to look there (e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Industrial/Article alerts). Almost anything under Category:Industrial music, so there's tangential stuff. We'll see how it goes - David Gerard (talk) 23:36, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Chris Carter (musician) and Cosey Fanni Tutti weren't in the project. Wat - David Gerard (talk) 00:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
The {{WPINDU}} template redirects to the main template, so I'm pretty sure the bots were already able to monitor the articles with that. But nice work doing that many articles. —Tourchiest talkedits 21:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Front Line Assembly single discography[edit]

Been doing some work on Front Line Assembly releases lately. I completed the single discography but realized that there are not enough resources available to justify own articles for every single. In fact, in most cases there are no online resources that could add anything of value in terms of notability. So this is a serious notability issue. I suggest merging the singles with their respective albums. I am not sure yet how I should deal with singles that weren't taken from an album. Furthermore, I'd like to add the singles covers to the album articles. As for the FLA template, I going to link the singles to the respective singles section of the albums. IndustrialGiant (talk) 19:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Well. Can you find reviews for the singles? That'd provide third-party verifiability and rateability, at least.
Also, check all the charts. The Deutsche Alternative Chart provides rich pickings. [1] - David Gerard (talk) 21:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Industrial singles are extremely difficult to source, as they rarely get reviews or any other coverage. I would agree with upmerging singles into their albums. Unattached singles might just die off, unfortunately. On including the singles images, you might get some grief for that. I'm not sure if the general consensus is that single images are considered fair use in album articles. You could ask over at WT:ALBUMS and see what they think. —Tourchiest talkedits 21:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Single covers in album articles, basically not unless there were some compelling reason. Really, if you want an article on a single then a chart (mainstream, alternative or genre) may be helpful. (e.g. I made articles for VNV's "Genesis" and "Beloved" when I noticed they'd both made the mainstream German charts, even if low down for a single week. XPQ-21 was saved from deletion because they had several DAC entries.) - David Gerard (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
FLA made indeed the DAC several times but – apart from a few exceptions – not mainstream charts. Remains the issue with the lack of reviews and other coverage for the singles. I pretty much googled, binged (Bing not binge) and duckduckgoed everything about FLA. So I'll stick to the merging idea. Thank you both for your thoughts about including single cover images. I already thought that. Will leave out the images. Another plus is that including the singles would make the album articles richer. Non-album singles could be assigned to albums when both were produced during the same session. Example: The single Plasticity is part of the Hard Wired session. IndustrialGiant (talk) 15:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Chart sites in general[edit]

Sites I've found useful for evidence of Wikipedia notability:

  • charts.de (German mainstream charts, also .ch, .at, .se, .be)
  • hitparade.ch (Swiss mainstream charts, other countries mentioned)

Is there a handy site for historical data from the DAC? trendcharts.de and the DAC site has the current week's ...

Are there other sites with suitable information? - David Gerard (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for those. The only other thing I've found is the annual DAC pages, like what you used in the XPQ-21 article. There's always Billboard itself; while few industrial works get into the Billboard 200, a decent number make it into their specialty lists, like the electronic, heatseakers, etc. Too bad the site is so poorly organized now. —Torchiest talkedits 16:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Something else that can give spotty results, but better than nothing. There are archived pages here for some weeks of the DAC chart. —Torchiest talkedits 16:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Thankfully, genre charts are totally acceptable for WP notability - David Gerard (talk) 18:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Assimilate: A Critical History of Industrial Music[edit]

While doing online research for Front Line Assembly-related articles I stumbled over this book from S. Alexander Reed, Assimilate: A Critical History of Industrial Music. It was published in 2013. Upon casual browsing, my impression is that the book might prove very valuable for a lot of Industrial-related articles. In any case, the parts where FLA is mentioned look promising. It appears to be critical in scientific terms and comes with a reference to sources. It mentiones all the big and not so big names and seems to be well-informed. It even quotes Genesis Breyer P-Orridge on the back cover: "Spectacular and accurate in so many ways." The book was generally well-received both by critics and readers though there have been critical remarks about the author's approach and his focus on theory. In my eyes definitively a piece one can work with. IndustrialGiant (talk) 16:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Very cool! There's also Alternative Rock by Dave Thompson (ISBN 0879306076), which covers some industrial bands. —Torchiest talkedits 16:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Yep! Print is great stuff. Basically, just dump the book line by line into WP ... - David Gerard (talk) 18:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)