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Missing flag[edit]

File:Friuli-Venezia_Giulia-Flag.png has been deleted from Commons. See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Friuli-Venezia Giulia-Flag.png. It is used on numerous articles so it needs replacement. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:57, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

The image shouldn't be on Commons, so I reuploaded it to English Wikipedia as File:Friuli-Venezia_Giulia-Flag.png.
Italick (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Norman conquest of southern Italy[edit]

Hi all, I started a discussion on the Norman conquest of southern Italy article in regards to the introductory paragraph. If anyone wants to provide input they are more than welcome. Cheers, — - dain- talk    23:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Pasta-gate[edit]

Should Office québécois de la langue française be updated to account for pastagate? It did garner international attention, especially in Italy, unlike many of the other OLF gaffes. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Bank deposit levy[edit]

Bank deposit levy is a very high profile topic at the moment. It would be good to have more examples of when this has been attempted in the past. I have found reference to a much smaller levy in Italy, but am struggling to find an in-depth explanation of what Italy did during that the 1990s crash (see talk page). John Vandenberg (chat) 10:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Eggfett2.jpg[edit]

file:Eggfett2.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica[edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Michael! (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Tano Badalamenti.jpg[edit]

File:Tano Badalamenti.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

translation of Liberazione day[edit]

I started a translation of it:Anniversario della liberazione d'Italia into Liberation Day (Italy) (see also Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_importation#Import_of_it:Anniversario_della_liberazione_d.27Italia_to_Liberation_Day_.28Italy.29). My draft is here: User:TheAnarcat/Liberation_Day_(Italy), and feedback is welcome! --TheAnarcat (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Bruno Munari.png[edit]

File:Bruno Munari.png has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Giò Ponti[edit]

File:Giò Ponti.png and File:Giò Ponti in a doorway.png have been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 04:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Lombardy task force[edit]

I think that the concept of task forces for the larger region is well-deserved. The most deserving of the regions is Lombardy. I was thinking of proposing the creation of this project; so, in order to assess feasibility, could some voice their opinions? Thanks! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Cervinara-Stemma.png[edit]

File:Cervinara-Stemma.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Alessandro Dudan.gif[edit]

File:Alessandro Dudan.gif has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Bosconero-Stemma.png[edit]

File:Bosconero-Stemma.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

New article about a village in Pistoia[edit]

Please take a look at Colle di Buggiano which I have just passed into Mainspace from Articles for Creation. I am struggling to categorise the article correcly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Messa - Massa?[edit]

Can anyone id the correct Italian town? See Talk:Scipione Piattoli#Messa. Probably Massa, but which one? Also, perhaps somebody could stub him on Italian wiki? :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I created the stub [1], but cannot yet explain which "Massa" is involved. Piarists have been active in Tuscany since the 17th century. Massa is the most important town with this name.--Broletto (talk) 17:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

"Fascist Rectors"?[edit]

On the talk page to List of mayors of Bologna I've queried the usage of the term "Fascist Rectors" as a translation of the Fascist Podestà. I notice the expression is also used in other similar lists of mayors. Saluti, 86.171.162.156 (talk) 09:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Oops, I fear I may have been overzealous meting out "podestà" in the Pre-unification period (eg [2]). For the series, i dubbi atroci... 86.171.162.156 (talk) 00:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Sidereus Nuncius Medicean Stars.jpg[edit]

File:Sidereus Nuncius Medicean Stars.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Edgar Meyer watercolour Welfenstein Castle.jpg[edit]

image:Edgar Meyer watercolour Welfenstein Castle.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

"Blick auf Rom" (View on Rome) by Edgar Meyer[edit]

have been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Sitia 1941.jpg[edit]

image:Sitia 1941.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Italian landing at Sitia 1941.jpg[edit]

File:Italian landing at Sitia 1941.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 02:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Pope-leo-xiii-01.jpg[edit]

file:Pope-leo-xiii-01.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

image:Pope-leo-xiii-01.jpg has been renominated for deletion, for the same reason. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 11:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Clara Gonzaga.jpg[edit]

file:Clara Gonzaga.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Sangro-carriage.jpg[edit]

file:Sangro-carriage.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 01:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Sanseveroaltar.jpg[edit]

File:Sanseveroaltar.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 01:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Rembrandtbugatti.jpg[edit]

image:Rembrandtbugatti.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Help with Naples article[edit]

The Naples article is mostly good, except for three subsections – the Cinema and television section, the Literature and philosophy section, and the Theatre section. These are basically just lumps of incoherent text, written (I think) by an Italian with almost no grasp of the English language. They include a lot of useful wikilinks, but are so badly written and unstructured that they are of little use to readers. They are also completely unsourced.

I have done a lot of work on the article, but these subsections leave me at a loss – in some parts of them, I genuinely don't know what the original editor was trying to say. I have been tempted to delete them completely, but that would leave the article lacking a lot of coverage on Neapolitan culture. I am requesting someone (preferably with some knowledge of Neapolitan culture) to help me clean up these subsections and find reliable sources for them. Thanks. – Michaelmas1957 (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Coats of Arms up for deletion[edit]

Many coats of arms used in Italy are up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 July 17 -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Please have a look at this submission. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

At a glance it looks basically good, and certainly good enough to be moved to article space without further ado. As it is essentially a translation from the Italian Wikipedia, attribution will be needed: as indeed the author already knows. I don’t know what the currently recommended way of doing this is, however. (Most editors don’t bother to do it at all, which is a bit of a disgrace.)
The short verse by Vico Faggi will need to be translated (or else removed), and the whole thing would benefit from copy-editing, since the English is not always quite idiomatic. (In the caption to the second image, for instance, ‘municipality’ is awkward as a translation for municipio, because that word is normally employed—especially in American English—to translate comune, which is a higher level of the local government hierarchy.) But this sort of thing can be dealt with later. Finally, the author, User:Tomias80, should certainly be thanked for his/her diligent work and encouraged to do do more of it!Ian Spackman (talk) 11:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Circolo della Vela Sicilia[edit]

We seem to be missing an article on Circolo della Vela Sicilia , Luna Rossa's sanctioner. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Zerai Deres.jpg[edit]

image:Zerai Deres.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Convert WikiProject Bernini into a taskforce of WP:ITALY[edit]


Italian dialects[edit]

Started a RfC: the last few years of the page have seen one complaint after another about how awful the article is; I started an improvement; almost immediately, it degenerated into an edit war.

So, with the knowledge that this stirs up POVy passions we need to work past, we could use some guidance:

IN ENGLISH, should "Italian dialects" describe
A non-recognized languages like Venetian or
B only regional flavors of Standard Italian?

Comment here. Answer A should mean some version of my edits (listing major Italian varieties of Gallo-Romance and Italo-Dalmatian) should be kept; answer B should mean that the existing page we've got should be merged with languages of Italy. In that case, we'll need help rebuilding it; and (in any case) we could use better sources. — LlywelynII 12:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

{{Countries and territories of the Mediterranean Sea}}[edit]

Template:Countries and territories of the Mediterranean Sea (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Conservation issues of Pompeii and Herculaneum[edit]

This article may have issues, like biased view and lack of inline citations. I hope this article must be fixed in some way. --George Ho (talk) 04:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

{{pasta}}[edit]

template:pasta has been proposed to be merged into template:noodle -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 02:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Alfa (rocket)[edit]

FYI, there's a notice at WT:MILHIST about this article -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 23:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/La Guarimba International Film Festival[edit]

Dear Italy experts: This article which has been submitted for review at Afc has been waiting a long time for review. Can anyone here help? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Could you look at this one too? Thanks! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:55, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Article review/critique[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I just finished translating the article giulio d'este from italian and would appreciate it if some people took a look at it and reviewed it. thanks GrassHopHer (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

template?[edit]

What is this kind of templates: Template:IT-LAZ? trespassers william (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms for place names[edit]

English_exonyms#Italy. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone with this project have any issues with this edit? Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 19:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you really mean to deny that Florence is the French for Florentia? Whether it's worth saying is another question, but English does use Florence, Rome, Milan, Venice because French does. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I've seen sources that have the etymology for the given name go straight from Florentia to medieval English. Of course, French influence was all over the place back then, so the line may be hard to draw. Do you know of any sources that discuss the etymology of the city name in English? Also, on the your second point, would you object to its removal on relevance (or other) grounds? Dohn joe (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
However, English uses Tyrol. Septentrionalis PMAnderson
I think the question is whether that holds for the comune as well as it does for the province. (Or whether the comune even has an English exonym or usage.) Dohn joe (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Help finding sources?[edit]

Hi! I'm working on an article for the Italian director Mario Landi. I'm having a bit of trouble, as his stuff was never really brought to the United States and as such, the sources are entirely in Italian for the most part. I don't speak any Italian and Google translate can only do so much, especially since most of the things I'm finding can't be translated into English. (Book entries, etc.) I'm also running into issues with sources as the bulk of his work was made before the advent of the Internet, so if anyone knows where to look for anything along those lines, I'd be incredibly grateful. I have a copy in my userspace, so if anyone is so inclined to help with it, feel free to edit it at your leisure. (User:Tokyogirl79/Mario Landi) I've just really hit the limit of what I could personally do with the article, but I hate to delete it since he seems to be fairly notable in Italy. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 07:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

"Marche" or "the Marche"[edit]

Can anyone from this project help at a CFD debate on naming categories relating to the Marche region?

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Old ministries question[edit]

The Independent writes that Federico Zeri worked in the Ministry of Cultural Heritage about the years 1945-1952. WP writes it was established 1974, replacing the Ministry of Public Education. Is that where he worked, or does the Fine Arts Committee happen to be under under the Ministry of Tourism or whatnot? trespassers william (talk) 00:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Dogo Sardo[edit]

The deletion log for article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dogo_Sardo Hafspajen (talk) 16:20, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Castello Barbarossa[edit]

Hi, Castello Barbarossa is a traslation of it:Castello Barbarossa, but this one was suspected to be a copyright violation. In fact, I found some sure violation for the following paragraphs: Descrizione e struttura, Botanica, and Ornitologia. To avoid troubles, I have reformulated also the paragraph about history.

The same work should be carried out on the english translation: Castello Barbarossa. Best regards. --Harlock81 (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

The same is true also for Gardens of Augustus. Thanks. --Harlock81 (talk) 00:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Paolo Giubellino[edit]

Please help improve the new article about Paolo Giubellino (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) - the man leading the Large Ion Collider Experiment Collaboration. Many thanks in anticipation. Dandandandandandandan (talk) 06:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

TAFI needs global view[edit]

Today's article for improvement is Reconnaissance satellite, which is currently tagged with {{globalize}}. According to {{Rest of the World Reconnaissance Satellites}}, Italy has a recon satellite, but as yet the page has no material regarding Italy's program. Perhaps the editors on this page would be interested in adding the Italian perspective on the subject? 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update[edit]

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man) 05:12, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion for Italian occult psychedelia[edit]

If anyone is interested, there is an ongoing deletion discussion for Italian occult psychedelia at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Italian_occult_psychedelia. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Latin peoples article deletion[edit]

Article Latin peoples has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss. Diego (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Craxism[edit]

I removed a proposed deletion notice from the article Craxism because the Italian article on the same topic, it:Craxismo, appears to be substantial and sourced, and from what I could tell, can at least arguably sustain a separate article from our biographical article about Bettino Craxi. However, as the editor who prodded it correctly noted, the English language article is not in very good condition at the moment. Review by editors having greater facility than I do in Italian (and Italian sources) would be most appreciated. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Quartetto Cetra[edit]

Hi Italy,

Can anyone please help improve Quartetto Cetra (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) in any way, even small. I have just discovered this group, and I think it is a fascinating subject - but the article is very poor; it is highly non-neutral, and totally unreferenced. I'd like to try improving it myself, but there are few good references in English - there seem to be lots in Italian.

So, that's it... a humble request, if anyone could please help improve the article on this rather ancient Italian musical ensemble.

Thanks! 88.104.30.86 (talk) 19:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing important article: The Holocaust in Italy[edit]

I was surprised to see that The Holocaust in Italy is a red link. We have articles on Holocausts in many smaller countries, as well as a surprisingly long article on The Holocaust in Italian Libya. Can someone try to start this badly needed article? Category:The Holocaust in Italy can be of use. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Holocaust in Italy, is this?--Michele-sama (talk) 16:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Italian Pirate Party[edit]

Hi, I just finished translating the page from it.wiki. Can someone proofread and change the template in the talk page? Thank you very much, --→ Airon 16:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Help with an article?[edit]

There's an article up for AfD, Era mio fratello. I'm finding some sources such as this one, but I'm not overly familiar with Italian language sourcing and as far as translations go, I'm working with Google Translate. Can anyone help look for sources and possibly save the article? I don't want to accidentally discard a source that could be seen as reliable and so on. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:14, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 05/05[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Archaeological Museum of Savona. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured[edit]

Today's Article For Improvement star.svg

Hello,
Please note that French Revolutionary Wars, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 01:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

Sabbioneta English-language page[edit]

Hi

I wanted to question some claims made on the english-language [page]:

"Sabbioneta is also known for its historic Jewish Ghetto and Synagogue, and in particular for its Hebrew printing-press. In 1551 Tobias Foa set up the press; he had, however, published certain "anti-Christian books" and his career was "forcibly ended". His work and possibly his type were taken up by a Christian printer, Vicenzo Conte".

There are two links but both are to non-existent pages on sabbioneta.org - the website of the Pro Loco for Sabbioneta. The quotations are unattributed.

According to this document - written by Alberto Sarzi Madidini and produced by the Sabbioneta Pro Loco, there was a long-established Jewish community in Sabbioneta which lasted for 500 years, but there was no ghetto - ie an area where Jews were forced to live and had to return to at dusk. I've not been able to find out when Foa died or the circumstances of his death, but the document says that the work of the printshop ceased with Foa's death and that its work briefly resumed under Vincenzo Conte. The wikipedia article seems to be implying that Foa's business was expropriated and handed over to a Christian printer -is there any evidence to support this? If there is then it should be referenced.

The italian-language page does not include these claims.

The pdf referenced in this post is being hosted by moked.it - 'il portale dell'ebraismo italiano' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andycm2 (talkcontribs) 15:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Infobox "nationality" conundrum[edit]

I would be interested to know if there is consensus here on how the "nationality" entry in some infobox templates should be handled for Italians (i.e. Italian people) who lived before unification. Personally, I find the entry itself is troublesome, but I feel the suggestion made here for Amerigo Vespucci is helpful. Others hold different views (e.g. [3] [4] - just two examples among many, I think). 86.181.67.132 (talk) 18:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I assume it would be best to simply avoid putting that entry in the infobox. Place of birth which lists contemporary political divisions should be sufficient, and the lede should include person's nationality anyway in its opening sentence per MOS, linking to Italian people. Timbouctou (talk) 21:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
That would also be my preferred solution as it solves the problem without any loss of information. I'm wondering whether regulars here agree? 86.181.67.132 (talk) 22:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014[edit]

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Europe may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:50, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis[edit]

The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:

  1. Adriana Serra: it:Morti nel 1995
  2. Antonio Montico: it:Morti nel 2013
  3. Enzo Cozzolini: it:Morti nel 1962
  4. Franco Frasi: it:Morti nel 2009
  5. Gian Tommaso Scarascia Mugnozza: it:Morti nel 2011
  6. Luciano Pigozzi: ru:Умершие в 2008 году

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:44, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Please evaluate a draft at AFC[edit]

Draft:ISTAO - Istituto Adriano Olivetti Ancona needs to be checked for notability and verifiability. All its references are in Italian, which unfortunately none of the AFC regulars can read. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)