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File:Morara standard.PNG[edit]

File:Morara standard.PNG has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Need attention at Anma[edit]

The user Yotsume (talk · contribs) is making lots of changes to this article including copy pasted content from his own website and referencing his own work. I attempted to clean up the article to Wikipedia standards but he undid those edits and left me a message accusing me of "making inaccurate edits about the art of Anma" and "Being that I am one of only a handful of fully certified "Anmashi" (anma practitioners) in the USA certified in Japan I would like to ask that you consult with me before altering my hard work". I am leaving him a message to explain but I would like it if someone can help me keep an eye on this page. I'd appreciate it. --Atlantima (talk) 03:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh great, now he's just deleting whole sections without comment. --Atlantima (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sankei Hall, Tokyo, Japan[edit]

I want to create an article about Sankei Hall in Tokyo, Japan. Can you Japanese people please help me. I can't find references. Evangp (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the Japanese Wikipedia article as well as the Tokyo hall home page, it seems to me that the Tokyo hall is much less significant than the Osaka one, and probably does not deserve its own Wikipedia article. Michitaro (talk) 15:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm.....that is interesting as artists such as B.B. King and Free performed at the Tokyo venue in the early 1970s. Is this the same venue as the hall you linked to? Does it give a build date? Your help is highly appreciated! Evangp (talk) 16:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC) Also what are your thoughts on creating an article for Nakajima Sports Center in Sapporo, Japan? It is my understanding it has been demolished or am I reading wrong? It was a popular concert venue in the 1970s and 1980s with artists such as Pink Floyd and Rainbow performing there. Evangp (talk) 16:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Both the Osaka and the Tokyo halls are in newly rebuilt buildings, but searches still only find pages that talk about the Osaka hall in the past not the Tokyo one. As for the Nakajima Sports Center, even the Japanese Wikipedia does not have a page for that (there's just a one line mention in the entry on Nakajima Park). I doubt it would warrant a separate entry. Michitaro (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind assistance. I agree, it seems unfortunately both venues do not warrant an article :( Evangp (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Although it is worth noting during a Rainbow concert on January 27, 1978 in Nakajima Sports Center a fan was crushed to death in the audience!!! Evangp (talk) 19:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone have any further details regarding the Sankei Hall that existed in the 1960s and 1970s? It hosted famous artists such as Free (in 1971) at the peek of their popularity, so someone must know something. John Coltrane also performed (July 1966) at the hall. Cannonball Adderley performed in 1963. Evangp (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone please help!!! Evangp (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The Japanese Wikipedia article referred to above says that the former Tokyo Hall was in Yurakucho. The new hall seats only about 600, is part of Sankei Plaza (link provided above), and is in Otemachi, near Tokyo station. There's a huge new venue called Tokyo International Forum in Yurakucho. Other big concert halls that have closed in recent years include the Kōsei Nenkin Kaikan. The Budokan is one of few surviving older venues. LittleBen (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you little ben Evangp (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Further assistance is still welcome Evangp (talk) 12:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking for any info regarding the old Senkei Hall in Tokyo, but these details especially: The year built/opened; Capacity; The year it closed Evangp (talk) 12:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I searched again and am finding nothing about Sankei Hall in Yurakucho other than that Wikipedia entry. I think you should give up. Michitaro (talk) 12:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

In the Japan article, the infobox seems to break Kanji display[edit]

See "Infobox seems to break Kanji character display". LittleBen (talk) 13:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Canterbury Tail has "solved" the problem by removing the kanji, but I've just noticed that later in the article displays correctly: <Quote>"the full title of Japan was Dai Nippon Teikoku (大日本帝國?)"<UnQuote>. LittleBen (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
It's not a problem of the kanji displaying correctly; rather, it's a problem of the parameter you were trying to add not existing within the template, so it just won't display the information you want to add. It is unlikely that parameter will ever be added to that infobox template. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Asian film Infoboxes Merging[edit]

As per a discussion the three Asian film Templates will be merging. I'd appreciate as many editors get a chance to look over this and contribute their thoughts as to how the four film infoboxes will be merged together. Thank you. ₪RicknAsia₪ 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of National Merit discussion for Bamse[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Closed as a successful nomination. Congratulations, Bamse, and thanks for your hard work! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to start things off by nominating Bamse (talk · contribs) for his amazing work on the main article National Treasures of Japan as well as all the related list files (listed below). I don't know exactly how much time he's spent on these articles, improving them, building them, and going through all the work for each of them in the featured list and topic processes. I'm sure it's in the high hundreds or even into the thousands of hours. Bamse took all of these national treasure lists from creation to featured list status: archaeological materials, buildings (castles, residences, shrines, and temples), crafts (paintings, sculptures, swords, and others), writings (ancient documents, Chinese books, Japanese books, and others).

I think this has been one of the most significant Japan-related contributions in Wikipedia's existence, and has greatly increased the useful information to which readers of the encyclopedia have access. So, I'm nominating Bamse for the first Barnstar of National Merit issued by WPJ. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


Please indicate your support or opposition to this proposal below. Please also include the reasoning behind your opinion, especially if you oppose it. This allows us to have a better discussion and come to a consensus through the discussion.

  • Support as nominator. My reasons are given above. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Strong support. It's a belated nomination. It's a great work and Bamse's efforts deserve admiration. Oda Mari (talk) 05:42, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Can't be too belated when the award was just created ;) Cckerberos (talk) 11:44, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Cckerberos (talk) 11:44, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. I've long been a fan of Bamse's work; this award will be very well-deserved. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:41, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Curly Turkey (gobble) 16:39, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Cheers! Prburley (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: Anyone else wish to chime in? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment An important point seems to be left out of the nomination. I wonder if Bamse's more important success is not measured in time or accomplished results? His contribution history reveals a framework of development tactics and a long-term strategy. I wonder if this kind of overview may have changed the way the rest of us think about what is possible? If so, then perhaps we need to expand the focus of this unique Barnstar. Maybe we should highlight the way Bamse did what he did? --Ansei (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
    • You're welcome to write up something to that effect so we can discuss it. Regardless of how you look at it, though, Bamse has done a great job improving Japan-related topics here. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 14:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Wow! What an honour. Very many thanks also to all the friendly help I received on those articles not the least from the wikiproject Japan. Without it all that would not have been possible. I am somewhat busy at the moment, but hopefully in the near future I will be able to do some more work on Japan related topics. bamse (talk) 17:01, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, you definitely deserve it and your help is always appreciated. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:Featured article candidates/Japanese battleship Fusō/archive1[edit]

This could use some attention (per Dank). Thanks. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Momoiro Clover Z[edit]

Could someone please look at it? I think it may need more people who are able to evaluate the Japanese sources used in the article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

And any new suggestions for the DYK hook are welcomed too. See Wikipedia:Did you know/Hook, Wikipedia:Did you know/Hook format. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Sekai no Owari[edit]

Sekai no Owari is a band article. I find that weird, is the band that prominent? -- (talk) 06:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


Jutte has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:Jutte -- (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that one there. ;) Konjakupoet (talk) 06:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I have posted a move request for Jutte to its correct name Jitte. I would welcome input from Japanese speakers and/or those with experience in this area. Konjakupoet (talk) 06:00, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


Kiahan (kyahan) has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:Kiahan (kyahan)#Requested move. Just thought I'd bring this other VERY similar (exactly the same) RM to the request of WPJ as well. -- Konjakupoet (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Iga-ryu ninja[edit]

FYI, there's a notice at WT:WikiProject Martial arts about a proposal to merge all the Iga Ninja articles into the province article. -- (talk) 00:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kameni Nakamura[edit]

Please discuss therein. Bearian (talk) 22:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Category National Treasures of Japan[edit]

I might have discussed this before, can't remember, but here it goes... Category:National Treasures of Japan states: Articles in this category are about individual objects that are national treasures, or about institutions that hold these treasures, or the people who created them or about "Preservers of Important Intangible Cultural Properties", popularly referred to as "Living National Treasures". I have several issues with this:

  1. Living National Treasures of Japan are not a sub-category of National Treasures of Japan, see the Cultural Properties of Japan article. I would not include them here.
  2. I haven't seen the creators of National Treasures of Japan (e.g. Yosa Buson) being referred to as "National Treasures" anywhere besides here, so I would not include them in the category.
  3. Some people/sources seem to refer to "institutions that hold these treasures" as "National Treasures" themselves. In particular I've seen this with temples, where the temple itself is referred to as National Treasure even though only one building (e.g. a pagoda) is a National Treasure. So, including the institutions is technically incorrect, even though one could argue about it. bamse (talk) 08:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Feel free to be bold and fix it yourself (but also feel free to give me a yell if you need help). There are quite a few silly categorizations—the Japanese multilingual templates were formerly categorized under Altaic multilingual templates (until I added the category Japanese multilingual templates), and the Chinese multilingual templates were under Sino-Tibetan something. The parent category that they both (Altaic and Sino-Tibetan something) were formerly hidden under is Category:Multilingual support templates. But there is also a Category:Language templates containing Category:Japanese language templates. It takes quite a bit of specialized knowledge to clean up categories, and I seem to recall that the last person who tried to clean up and simplify the mess and the duplication got a long Wikibreak for being "overly zealous". LittleBen (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I fixed 1. and 2. I don't feel strongly about 3, but if you wish, you can fix it. bamse (talk) 21:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

A quick favor, please[edit]

Hello all. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what is written on the bottom of this photo? Many thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 23:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

The characters are from right to left, but to put them left to right for easier reading, 帝國巡洋艦 鞍馬. 帝國 is imperial, 巡洋艦 is cruiser, and 鞍馬 is the name, Kurama. So you get "Imperial cruiser, Kurama", essentially the same as the English. I'm not 100% certain about the character (艦) but if it's not that, it must be a variation with the same meaning.--Rsm77 (talk) 00:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I guessed it was something along those lines. Parsecboy (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
艦 is read kan and means a ship of war (or warship). As in 戦艦 senkan, meaning battleship. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


Those interested, please join the ongoing discussion at Talk:Mengu (Japanese facial armour)#Requested move. Thank you! Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 02:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Iga province ninja[edit]

I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts#Iga-ryu ninja to discuss combining some of the existing articles on these ninga. I'm hoping for contributions from those with more knowledge of Japanese history. Thanks in advance.Mdtemp (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)