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Proposed deletion of List of companies based in Nashville[edit]

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The article List of companies based in Nashville has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This unqualified directory of companies in a location fails WP:NOTDIR and is attracting linkspam. Duplicated by Category:Companies based in Nashville, Tennessee.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Ivanvector (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm posting this here because the list does not have a talk page to determine what project might be interested, and nobody seems to edit the article enough to be concerned with notifying them. It seems to me that the various "list of companies in some place" lists that exist on Wikipedia would all be better off as categories. In this case in particular, the list isn't frequently maintained and attracts spammy external links, while a category would automatically update whenever a company page is categorized. I'd like to hear what this WikiProject thinks about it. Thanks! Ivanvector (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this seems better suited for categories than list articles. DonIago (talk) 14:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Someone removed the prod. I added some wikiproject banners and found some more categories for it. I have no opinion on whether there should be lists like this on Wikipedia, but there are - quite a few of them; so if you're considering taking this to AfD, you should probably look for AfD's on similar pages first. RockMagnetist (talk) 17:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The article appears to largely be a WP:LINKFARM, though a slightly disguised one in that citations are used as a cover for external links. That's a valid argument for deletion right there. I just initiated an AFD on a similar subject, though the AFD got mooted by a speedy as it developed that the article had been deleted previously. An alternative to deletion might be to delete the items that are not sourced in a way that establishes their significance. Or people interested in the page should establish inclusion criteria. DonIago (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Although I agree that lists should have selection criteria, that guideline is part of the Manual of Style. A more pertinent criterion for AfD's is WP:LISTN. RockMagnetist (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The ordinary inclusion criteria for any such list of companies is that the company must be notable. That's standard for any list of X where not every X that exists merits an article (people, books, etc.). The relevant guidelines are WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN; LISTN has little if any applicability to a standard index (i.e., navigational list of articles) such as this one, and indeed LISTN has more relevance to groups where the entries aren't individually notable (which is why we'd then look to notability for the group) or the indexing method is not standard or of particular significance to the subject (unlike the fact of where a company is based). postdlf (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
If I'm reading this right, are you suggesting the list should essentially be trimmed to those companies that are either linked internally or have a third-party source to establish their notability? Not that being linked internally guarantees notability, but it's a good starting point. DonIago (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. postdlf (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing all of this out, and I agree with the rationale for de-prodding. Another standard worth mentioning is WP:LISTCOMPANY. It seems that all of the guidelines mentioned here lean towards it being ok to list companies like this as long as there are independent sources indicating they exist, even if they are not notable. That seems overly broad to me, but who am I to argue with consensus? Also, I think it's okay to remove the redlinked companies that use their own websites as citations - that is refspam. Ivanvector (talk) 18:57, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
On second thought, it's probably better to keep the companies in the list but replace the citation with a proper source. Ivanvector (talk) 18:57, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
There could be a good reason for including non-notable companies in this particular list, though I'm not aware of one. At any rate, that's just a content issue to hash out through normal editing and discussion for each such list. postdlf (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I've boldly removed entries from the list that had no WP article and didn't seem to be cited to independent RS. The deleted entries have been placed on the talk page for consideration/rescue. --Mark viking (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm admittedly not interested enough to look, but off the top of my head that sounds like a good edit. Bonus points for moving the entries to Talk instead of just deleting. DonIago (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
@Postdlf: I disagree that LISTN is inapplicable to a list like this. There are limitless ways to combine notable articles in frivolous lists, and avoiding such lists is the main purpose of LISTN. Also, without a good source for a list, it can have glaring omissions. Indeed, List of companies based in Nashville offers a good illustration. It was only by finding a source for this list that I discovered that it didn't yet include the largest company in Nashville, HCA Holdings, Inc. RockMagnetist (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
From WP:LISTN itself: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability." This is one of those lists. I think your mistake is in believing that LISTN is somehow the sole guardian against bad lists. postdlf (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The following sentence is "Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists". No, I don't think that LISTN is the sole guardian - actually, I am sometimes frustrated by the tendency of AfD's to focus on notability to the exclusion of all else - but I think it would be a mistake to use LISTPURP as an excuse to not bother looking for sources. RockMagnetist (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

It shouldn't be deleted. Ideally, this should be turned into a list with prose...which most all wiki lists should be. So as not to be a simple directory. It is the ideal, but a minority of lists on Wikipedia currently meet this ideal. On city pages I think this type of list would make a great addendum to the description of the economy. i.e., descriptors about each section of the economy and how notable companies play a role in that sector. But deletion should be avoided because the major companies of most cites have been discussed as a set by at least one business journal. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 09:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Archived some threads[edit]

I've archived some threads which were inactive and essentially links to discussions that have since been closed. — Cirt (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

List of retailers[edit]

Hello,

I am working on some countries supermarket chains list, however it looks that there are much more retailers than supermarkets, so I suggest to change supermarket chain list to retailer list per country and sort them in categories like in List of supermarket chains in Lithuania.

Can it be done this way? Andriusk (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

There is no rule against it. But I'm not sure there is much use for such lists. Although I am not a fan, I would suggest expanding the information offered in the tables. Maybe things like date they entered the country, goods offered, etc. Also, any store without a Wikipedia page needs a source establishing WP:Notability, otherwise it should be deleted. And references should be its own column. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 22:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Lists and references[edit]

See Talk:Sports in Alaska where we are discussing the needs of referencing and that list. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:11, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

1st Grande Prêmio Cinema Brasil Peer Review[edit]

I've just created and put the 1st Grande Prêmio Cinema Brasil article up for Peer Review with the intention of nominating it as a Featured List Candidate. I'd appreciate any and all feedback. The review is at Wikipedia:Peer review/1st Grande Prêmio Cinema Brasil/archive1‎. Thanks, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC).

Neutral notification of RfC on List of Palestinians allegedly assassinated by the Mossad[edit]

Is here: Talk:List_of_Palestinians_allegedly_assassinated_by_the_Mossad#RfC_on_article_title.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Table in List of circulating currencies needs fixing[edit]

Parts of the table in List of circulating currencies are pure nonsense in their present form. Please see the Talk page there. --Thnidu (talk) 06:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Lists of ports[edit]

I've just significantly expanded Lists of ports, a list of lists article. It would benefit from someone more knowledgeable than me taking a look at formatting and structure, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 14:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I hope you added it to list of lists of lists. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 21:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC).
Yes check.svg Done

Subsidiaries[edit]

I asked over at WP:WP Business

"Should we, perhaps, have a category for lists of subsidiaries/associates? "

All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 21:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

RfC: Naming of articles about an actor's roles and awards[edit]

Please see the RfC at Category talk:Filmographies#Naming of articles about an actor's roles and awards, which relates to a number of FLs past, current and future. Comments are welcome there. – SchroCat (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A List Task force[edit]

I wanted to know if it would be appropriate to start a task force dedicated to managing/deleting lists that don't meet criteria. I bring this up because there is some debate about transit route-related lists, and my personal goal is to try to gain consistency on Wikipedia. The idea is this: The task force would check lists that violate such policies as WP:NOTTRAVEL,WP:NOTDIR, etc... and handle them through the appropriate channels. Yes I could do this alone with no issues, but I think a task force would help set easy, clear guidelines that can be followed without having to search several policies to ensure that an AfD (or any other) tag would be appropriate. ®amos likes messages! 16:19, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't look like there is much jump on this. Perhaps if you put a list together of lists you think might qualify for deletion and we just discuss it here. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List_of_American_women's_firsts#Proposed_lede[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List_of_American_women's_firsts#Proposed_lede. Thanks. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

List of state protected Monuments in Telangana/Andhra Pradesh[edit]

Dear members of this project, please take a look of these above mentioned articles and their history. The Telangana article seems to have been copied from the Andhra Pradesh article alongwith from ASI website as noted and tagged by CorenSearchBot in this edit. User:Vin09, who created the Telangana one had possibly ripped info from Andhra Pradesh for the Telangana one. Editors could please check if the Telangana one or the concerned user has flouted any guideline. One more aspect is ever since the creation of new state, Telangana, more such lists could be in the offing. Please keep an eye to ensure the articles are neutral. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)(Support) 23:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, the problem seems more nuance than that as several of the sites listed on the citation for Andhra Pradesh sites are now with the new state of Telangana which split from there this year. Fortunately, the citation lists each site by district so the Wiki lists have done a good job splitting the lists by which district each state now controls. So I don't see the problem. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 02:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Unless, are you suggesting these monuments no longer have state protection since the split?--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 02:58, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
You may need to give ids for monuments. Otherwise it will be difficult for WLM-- naveenpf (talk) 03:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Sure, I'll give the ASI monument numbers and improve it.--Vin09 (talk) 03:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Lists At Wikimania 2014[edit]

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:
Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 18:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Possible FL Nomination[edit]

I've spent a little time editing List of viscountcies in the peerages of Britain and Ireland and at some point would be looking to nominate it for FL status. I know there a few issues with referencing all the listed peerages still, but input would be much appreciated (especially regarding the lead and the format/layout of the list). I've start a peer review request here. Thanks! Sotakeit (talk) 11:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Grammy Award templates[edit]

Suddenly a raft of less important Grammy Awards templates are being created. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards and prizes#Grammy Award templates.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)