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City weather[edit]

FYI, there's a notice at WT:USA about a discussion at WT:CITIES concerning {{weather box}} -- (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

On a related matter, can the "weather box" be collapsible in its current format? Guy1890 (talk) 06:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
It appears that the box is collapsible; I just gave the template one look, and seeing a hide button, clicked it, and the box collapsed. I still don't know of how you would start out the box in a collapsed state, though. Dustin (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
By default, the box is not collapsed but if you add the parameter |collapsed= Y or |collapsed= Yes, the box will be in a collapsed state. See Template:Birmingham, Alabama weatherbox as an example. Ssbbplayer (talk) 14:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanx for the info. Is the weather box % humidity line the humidity at 6 AM, 3 PM, the 24-hour average, etc.? Guy1890 (talk) 02:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
@Guy1890: In the U.S., where I've input the data, daily RH is taken as the average of 3-hourly measurements (8x day). "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 17:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
  • FYI, there's now an RfC about this same subject as well. Guy1890 (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Paul Julian (meteorologist)[edit]

Dear weather experts: The editor of this draft has run out of time and patience. The subject is notable. There are some URLs for more references on the talk page. Would anyone who understands meteorological terminology like to finish this up? I suggested that s/he resubmit, but this hasn't happened.—Anne Delong (talk) 23:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

All due respect to Anne, who is a wonderful editorial colleague, the article needs no further preparatory work, only approval, and the only patience I lost was with the Wikipedia system, where chaos so often reigns. I stopped with the article because of opportunity cost, when (i) a reviewer rejected the submission after looking at the wrong version, an earlier unreferenced version, (ii) when the 15+ citation article continued to be over-scrutinized as a beginning stub, though it is far better than many other longstanding biographical articles at Wikipedia (e.g., search Paul Julian, a name-fellow of the meteorologist, an artist designer with a longstanding stub with no real citations); and (iii) when those reviewing showed a clear lack of experience with biographical research into pre-internet government scientists (e.g., questioning the NCAR archival records as valid). So, I am hoping someone with a perspective a bit more spot on can can to a rapid approval, see Section below, same signature and date. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
The article does look good, however im not really able to provide much help or feedback on it.Jason Rees (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Great thanks. Feel free to refer to anyone you know who might. Cheers. Le Prof
Draft was accepted on 5 Jun 2014 by User:Chris troutman.
SBaker43 (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Overhaul necessary[edit]

I believe it is necessary that WikiProject Meteorology receive some sort of overhaul. The page design (no offense to the creator) is not particularly good (in my opinion) and could be greatly improved. For example, there might be better organization of subpages if the main page were to instead use tabs like WP:USA/WP:WPSCI or the appearance could be improved to be less generic, like WP:WPTC (which also has better organization). Regardless, this first comment here is not so much a proposal for what to do as a way of saying this project needs to be overhauled in some sort of way. I mean, a large portion of this project is just in complete disarray, and much is too general. As the main project for weather things, I thing it is important that some changes be made. Regard this not as a final proposal but as a resolution. That's all I will say for now. Input would be welcomed. Dustin (talk) 16:49, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

If you feel that an overhaul of the Project page is needed then be bold and do it, i dont think its been done in a few years.Jason Rees (talk) 15:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Part of what I am proposing might require me (or other willing editors) to fragment the main page of the WikiProject, which is why I am being cautious in just making sweeping changes. If we can agree on it though, I think some good changes could be made. Dustin (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I think a project page overhaul is a rather easy task. WikiProject Meteorology is more like a broad overview of the subject, with individual subsets that focus more on individual topics, so in terms of how the project is run, I'm not sure what solutions I can bring to the table. TheAustinMan(Talk·Works) 02:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

If changing editing habits is too difficult, then why don't we just start with the page design? It would at least help with organization, I think. I personally think the project's page design could do with some major improvements. Dustin (talk) 03:19, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Paul Julian stub awaiting approval[edit]

Paul Julian, of the Madden-Julian oscillation, formerly of the NCAR, has never had a biosketch here, and I salvaged one from deletion so that a stub could go up (original author, who knows). If there is anyone here involved in reviewing articles awaiting approval, please take a look at it, here [1], and/or refer it to someone else who can approve. Sooner it is in main article space, sooner AMS members, your WikiProject members, etc. can come forward with further biographical material and strengthen the article, Madden can be next. Cheers. Le Prof (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I don't understand if you are only asking for reviewers or if you also are hoping that people will make contributions. If the former holds true, then I will not be able to aid because I am not a reviewer. Dustin (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Also, this was undoubtedly an accident, but you were not signed in when you made the above edit, so your IP address is shown instead. Whenever I do that, I often try to replace it with my correct signature. That's not really a major issue, though. Dustin (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the attention Dustin; both are desired, someone to approve, and others to contribute (but probably in that order). I will, as soon as it is in the main article space, but up some further resources for editors. Again, feel free to refer... For now, just waiting. Cheers. Le Prof
@Leprof 7272: Okay, I don't know if you already submitted the article, but it looks at least good enough to be submitted to AfC, although I wouldn't consider it completed. In any case, I guess I might be able to help with references after the article is created; I am not an expert on biographical articles, but since you requested, I think I may be able to help in at least some small way. Dustin (talk) 04:40, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Haze meter[edit]

FYI, there's a notice at WT:PHYSICS about Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Haze meter -- (talk) 08:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft at AFC needs your help[edit]

Please evaluate Draft:Convective Boundary Layer for acceptance into mainspace. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Great flood of 1913 in Indiana[edit]

There are several notes in the article that Fort Wayne was flooded by the Ohio River and its tributaries. That can't be, as Fort Wayne is only at a tip of one small creek reaching to the southwest edge of the city. Most of the water in Fort Wayne drains to the northeast on the Maumee River. (talk) 00:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. At a quick glance, the given source does seem to say that Fort Wayne was flooded by waterways in the Ohio drainage basin, though I'm not familiar with the hydrology of that area. By all means, please feel free to edit the relevant article to correct any inaccuracies (so long as your changes are supported by reliable sources, per the standard disclaimer). It does seem peculiar that Fort Wayne appears to be chiefly within the Maumee River Watershed, but again... not my area of expertise. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Meteorology at Wikimania 2014 (updated version)[edit]

Please note: This is an updated version of a previous post that I made.

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Adikhajuria (talk) 15:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The aftermath of the ENSO to El Niño article move[edit]

Last year, the ENSO article was moved to El Niño, the most discussed half of ENSO. This allowed for most of the La Niña information to be shed this morning, which was added to the La Niña article. This now leaves room for an ENSO article to be resurrected, which can use summaries of the El Niño and La Niña articles, and greatly simplifies the editing process. Sometimes, wikipedia works. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmm interesting work, one question would ENSO cover the Neutral conditions?.Jason Rees (talk) 22:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I have a line in there for the definition of neutral. Otherwise, neutral would be climo.  :P Thegreatdr (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

atmospheric phenomena[edit]

FYI, See WT:PHYSICS, where several atmospheric phenomena articles are being discussed -- (talk) 06:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


The uses of Particulate, Particulates, Particulate matter is under discussion, see talk:Particulates -- (talk) 04:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Merge of High-pressure area into Anticyclone[edit]


I am proposing to merge High-pressure area into Anticyclone, the same thing. Please feel free to enter the discussion.

Pierre cb (talk) 02:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

List of dust storms with visibility of 1/4 mile or less, or meters or less[edit]

Just wondering if this was an encyclopaedic list. It seems to set the bar pretty low - there'd have to be dozens of such storms in a given year. Hack (talk) 06:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Has any consensus been reached wrt template:weather box?[edit]

Tommydenham (talk · contribs) is adding it to articles; depending on window size it may buggily overlap the infobox (e.g. Warrington, Florida). --NE2 03:21, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure some of those articles should have the weather box even if it didn't badly fit with the infobox. Dustin (talk) 03:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorting by date[edit]

Sorting by date does not work, it gives day order rather than year order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[edit] itself doesn't take you anywhere anymore, but all original pages at the website now redirect to some commercial antivirus website at for some reason. Just try; that is where I found File:NOAA Weather Partners.gif. What's the deal here with a website under the Federal Government (NOAA) suddenly redirecting to a completely unrelated antivirus website that just happens to be named "Norman"? I suspect at least some human error is at hand here. Dustin (talk) 04:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Must be something at your end going to the .com site if the site at some other TLD is down. For me simply gives "server not found". --NE2 05:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@NE2: The first thing I said: " itself doesn't take you anywhere anymore". Try the sublink I provided. Thanks. Dustin (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The same thing happens. It's being done by your computer or ISP. --NE2 14:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@NE2: No, it is not. I figured it would do it the same way it did to; I don't have a virus or whatever you are trying to say. Only this actually does it, I guess, and, the site of NOAA Weather Partners, has been taken down, sadly, it seems. Dustin (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The site does not redirect to Whatever is redirecting is on your end. --NE2 19:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@NE2: Then why would multiple different computers in completely different locations still be linking to Dustin (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Most likely they're all on ISPs that redirect in that manner. --NE2 19:55, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@NE2: I still think there is more to it, else I would expect the direct link to the website ( to also link to , rather than solely having link to I'll have to wait for other responses, I guess; this is not going well with only one sample other than myself. Dustin (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
In any case, the issue should be why no longer exists, and how to replace links to media there. Dustin (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for input from those with subject knowledge[edit]

The redirect Lightning in a tropical cyclone has been nominated for deletion and is being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 19#Lightning in a tropical cyclone. The discussion would significantly benefit from input by one or more editors who have knowledge of meteorology, particularly tropical cyclones and/or lightning. Thank you Thryduulf (talk) 01:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)