Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Microbiology
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- 1 Cis-regulatory element / Cis-acting replication element
- 2 Aumatic taxoboxes
- 3 Wikipedia:HighBeam
- 4 Microbiology categories are a big mess
- 5 stubs
- 6 Germ theory of disease
- 7 Help with explaining jargon.
- 8 New animal phylum: Picozoa
- 9 Inter-kingdom homonyms
- 10 Removal of material on biological contamination of Earth from Mars
- 11 Viking spacecraft biological experiments#Labeled Release, i.e. Life on Mars claimed to have been discovered
- 12 Where should KPC-Oxa 48 redirect to?
- 13 Methylobacterium mesophilicum
- 14 O157:H7
- 15 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Microbial Solar Cell
- 16 Wikipedia:WikiProject Transporter Classification Database
- 17 Archived a few threads
- 18 Popular pages tool update
- 19 Total free access to Royal Society History of Science journals for 2 days on March 4th and 5th !!!
- 20 AfC submission - 19/03
- 21 AfC submission - 06/04
- 22 Request for article reviewers
- 23 Explain what the certain above-level terms are!
- 24 Microbiota
- 25 Royal Society journals - subscription offer for one year
- 26 Request for COI review of John Postgate (microbiologist)
- 27 AfC submission - 26/05
- 28 Canine parvovirus
- 29 Copy and paste issue
- 30 Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
- 31 Nitrosopumilus maritimus
- 32 Launch of WikiProject Wikidata for research
- 33 Mueller-Hinton agar
- 34 WikiProject X is live!
- 35 Most written about bacteria we're missing
- 36 Victivallis vadensis
- 37 Discussion on potential article: Supergroup_(biology)
- 38 Lactobacillus seriously needs to be improved
- 39 New Essay
Dear all, thank you for reading.
I honestly have no idea because most things that I have read have either talked about one or the other, I haven't found any overlap.
Microbiology categories are a big mess
I have been going through some the the microbiology categories, mainly Category:Microbiology and Category:Bacteria. They are a real mess!! I have stripped out maybe 400 articles out of the microbiology category. It was useless for navigation. What is left needs the experts from this WikiProject to sort out to make sure it follows WP:CAT etc. Same goes for all the related categories. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
i've created many microbiology stubs recently. feel free to let me know if you have any pending ones which you need created. i'd be more than happy to do it. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Germ theory of disease
Help with explaining jargon.
I need to explain (or at least make an appropriate wikilink) the term "L forms of streptococci". I get the streptococci part, but what does the L form mean? I know some chemicals can be L or D, but I don't think this is what it means. Any suggestions? thanks... Lesion (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- I missed this from the streptococcus page, "There are 20 described serotypes, named Lancefield groups A to V (excluding I and J)." so I will just wikilink to that page. Lesion (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
New animal phylum: Picozoa
- From a quick look at the reference you cited, it looks as if picobiliphyte should really be moved over Picozoa and updated accordingly. SmartSE (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Seeking comments about how to handle cases where a scientific name is homonymous across different nomenclatural codes. Please go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life#Inter-kingdom homonyms for discussion. Plantdrew (talk) 20:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Removal of material on biological contamination of Earth from Mars
This probably needs some introduction first.
Origin of the concerns
Carl Sagan was concerned about back contamination of Earth, and all the official studies since then have confirmed his concerns.
The main concern is that in the worst case it could cause environmental disruption of the Earth. This is thought to be a very low probability possibility, but can't be ruled out. As a result the conclusions of studies by the European Space Foundation, and the National Research Council, is that a great deal of care should be taken for any Mars sample return.
Legal issues and need for public debate
Due to the international nature of the low probability worst case scenarios, there are also many legal issues including internationally and the domestic policies of countries other than the launching nation, and the need to involve the public in debate world wide.
This is the mainstream view. There is an organization ICAMSR which is an advocacy group opposed to any return of a sample to Earth. They shouldn't be confused with this mainstream view that accepts the concern and says a return to Earth is possible but needs great care, changes of law and worldwide public consultation.
Some space colonization advocates such as Zubrin take the view that these concerns have no scientific validity but his is not a mainstream view.
All the material I contributed on this removed
An editor has removed all the material I contributed to wikipedia discussing these issues. My material was heavily cited and carefully researched. He did it on authority of an AfD of an article I wrote, which was improperly carried out in many ways.
He seems to have support of most of the other editors who have got involved in the debate so far, so am posting to other related projects, to see if I get more sympathy elsewhere where perhaps there will be editors with different views on it all.
Links to follow up more
This is a short summary of it from previous version of the back contamination issues page: Back contamination from Mars
Here is a longer treatment which I keep in my user page because I can't add this to the main space in wikipedia at present:
This is about irregularities in the AfD. Previous AfD
This is WPs most recent proposal to remove everything on interplanetary contamination issues from wikipedia except for one article (plus a short page about the extreme views of the ICAMSR).
Why I posted here
I'm not sure what to do. The admin I've been working with so far is unsympathetic, and the other editors involved in the debate so far seem to be mainly in agreement that the material should be removed, though not giving any reasons why such notable material should be removed.
- To explain more - I posted this because just about all material in wikiedia on planetary contamination issues has been removed over the last few weeks or replaced with material biased towards the views of space colonization advocates that the issues are of little or no consequence. I wrote most of this material, summarizing numerous notable sources as best I could.
- I feel it is wrong to remove it. I proposed to address issues of bias by collaborating with a friend with opposite views to do. But that was of no avail and it seems there is nothing I can do about it.
- The admin who was helping me feels that I am ""whining" about this informal topic ban, that I can't seem to get the message of the other editors. Really no-one on wikipedia apart from me seems to think it matters at all if this material is removed, though many of my friends and colleagues outside of wikipedia think it is outrageous, especially exobiologists which is why I thought to post here. Anyway it now seems to me unlikely anyone can help, but just in case anyone else feels as strongly about it as me, that the material is needed, leave this in place for now. Be aware if you do try to restore it or support my side, you will encounter fierce opposition and insults from editors totally opposed to its inclusion in wikipedia. Robert Walker (talk)— username (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 21:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Have put the following extended discussion into a separate header so if anyone does want to reply you can do so here.
- However, note, I have now totally given up on including this material in wikipedia. I am willing to give it a go if there is someone who is really keen to have it included, but any attempt would encounter fierce opposition and ad hominem attacks and insults from WP and BI and there are at least two other editors also now supporting them. Short of an admin incident on it all, I can't see any way forward, and don't want to do that so have give up. Robert Walker (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Update - have decided to reuse the articles I wrote for wikipedia on other sites where they are welcome, under CC By SA. Those articles of course are released under the same license. So, the content can be used here in the future if the climate of opinion on this matter changes. Robert Walker (talk) 07:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Extensive discussion by WP accusing me of being a SPA and spamming wikipedia
- I am not a SPA. Recently all my talk page discussions have been on contamination issues because a single editor took on himself to remove everything I wrote on contamination issues from wikipedia. Also before that I was engaged in a long weeks long attempt to save an article I wrote from the same editor- eventually it got deleted in an AfD.
- Hiding long exchange with BI. of no relevance to microbiology or the issues above. I happen to be a developer of music software which I sell. I have full disclosure of this on my user page, you can show the exchange below if interested but I assume most readers here won't want to read it.Robert Walker (talk) 14:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
That's OK. I think as long as you are WP:CANVASSING multiple project pages in order to recruit meat puppets to your lost cause, I feel it's important that others know exactly what you are... Warren Platts (talk) 15:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- You seem to use Microtonal music as an insult, don't understand why. It is decidedly notable indeed many countries have significant ethnic microtonal music, e.g. Turkey with its maqams and India with its ragas, Thailand with its near seven equal tuning and so on. Historically in "Western music" the system we are all used to as twelve equal only became commonn in the C20, Chopin for instance would still have used a tempered tuning on his piano, and to this day some organs are tuned to quarter comma meantone because the long held chords sound better in that tuning, and many modern composers use microtones.
- Same pattern here: throw up walls o' text on your fringe POV in order to draw eyeballs to your blog and Science20 articles.... lol! BTW your website is broken. You've been obsessing at Wikipedia so much your business is starting to suffer. It might be a good idea to redirect your energies for a while. Cheers, Warren Platts (talk) 13:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Outrageous rewrite of my Metronome talk page post by WP. I did not add a price to my post. I did not make the product name into a link. It is good behaviour to disclose that you are an author of the software, and no-one else on the talk page commented on this, and the page itself makes no mention of my product. Robert Walker (talk) 14:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- You are right, missed that, yes seems I did make that one occurrence into a link to the website. Was not meant as promotion and had forgotten. Can't remember now why I did it, possibly just so they know what I'm talking about. A link to my website on a talk page discussion four years ago which I'd forgotten about does not count as spamming wikipedia :). And I did not mention the price or have any call to action or anything that could be considered advertising. Robert Walker (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- As with the Manned mission to Mars page where I added material to Concerns section after a request for material, in the Metronome article I added the material in response to request for positive material on metronome use because the article as it was then was thought as being too much biased against metronome use. I disclose my connection with the software in my talk page posts. Also my user page also has full disclosure of my connection with the software I sell. Robert Walker (talk) 14:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- The criticism section for Metronome use was already there and not written by me. I can see that WP might now try to remove all my contributions to wikipedia on any subject. If he does that I will definitely file an admin incident report on him, which I have come close to doing a few times already. Robert Walker (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Viking spacecraft biological experiments#Labeled Release, i.e. Life on Mars claimed to have been discovered
Can someone add more views to that section? Smacks of WP:FRINGE. It's currently mostly based on Levin's publications. A search in Google Books finds plenty of material... Someone not using his real name (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- Depends what you mean by fringe. In the sense of minority view valid science, yes. But not so far fringe as e.g. Chandra Wickramasinghe's theories. More like a minority view that hardly any of his colleagues seem to accept. Probably we will only know for sure if someone does a successor to Viking on Mars, carries out an identical experiment and finds out in detail what happens and why. Until then it is a case of alternate theories, and most scientists are sceptical that the found anything.
- There is a later controversy section in that page but that is baised towards the Levin interpretation too. I agree, it needs clearer statement of the mainstream POV and it needs to be made clearer that his is a minority view, but I think it is an interesting minority POV, needs to be balanced by clearer statement of mainstream view. Robert Walker (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Where should KPC-Oxa 48 redirect to?
Seems to be important enough to even be stubbed (mentioned in ), but Wikipedia doesn't seem to have anything significantly related, at least as far as the non-expert (me) can tell. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157:H7 is a horrifying mess; along with ludicrous formatting errors, huge areas of the article having been blatantly coped-and-pasted from an external source, to the extent it has
Last Updated: May 2009 © 2009 page 5 of 10
right in the middle of one of the paragraphs-and this is marked as a top-importance article! Unfortunately I'm not remotely experienced enough with the ways of the wiki (particularly the markup language) to try to fix this myself, so I'm requesting help here. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Transporter Classification Database
Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Transporter Classification Database to "Related WikiProjects".
—Wavelength (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Archived a few threads
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Total free access to Royal Society History of Science journals for 2 days on March 4th and 5th !!!
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AfC submission - 19/03
AfC submission - 06/04
Notabe academic? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/E. Peter Greenberg. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Request for article reviewers
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Explain what the certain above-level terms are!
If you want people to understand the page, For the higher-level terms like "Pathogenesis", explain what it means! Otherwise, the page is useless. (Well, useless to people like me.)220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)Anonymous Individual
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Request for COI review of John Postgate (microbiologist)
Could someone please look over this article, as both contributors have a COI; me as Wikimedian-in-Residence at the Royal Society, of which Postgate is a fellow (so basic notability is not an issue), and him as the author of most of the text, which I edited slightly and posted. Ideally someone could add more on the significance of his research & publications, which I rather downplayed in view of the COI situation. I'm no expert but I see he crops up in basic accounts of nitrogen fixation, microbial survival, and sulphate-reducing bacteria etc, and is described as a "father figure of British microbiology" on the first page here. Wiki at Royal Society John (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
AfC submission - 26/05
Copy and paste issue
Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
In this article about N. mar. is a wrong Phylum for this species: Its no longer part of Crenarchaeota. The new Phylum is Thaumarchaeota [Brochier-Armanet et al., 2008] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:540:9E8:5893:CE95:15CD:42A6 (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Launch of WikiProject Wikidata for research
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The article on Mueller-Hinton agar provides the recipe (w/v):
30.0% beef infusion 1.75% casein hydrolysate 0.15% starch 1.7% agar pH adjusted to neutral at 25 °C.
According to the recipe provided by several standard suppliers (e.g. Sigma), beef infusion should be 0.2%. Everything else is consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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Most written about bacteria we're missing
- Clostridium pasteurianum, Clostridium (Clostridia, Firmicutes)
- Actinomyces bovis, Actinomyces (Actinobacteria, Actinobacteria)
- Azotobacter chroococcum, Azotobacter (Gammaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Desulfovibrio desulfuricans, Desulfovibrio (Deltaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Rhizobium trifolii, Rhizobium (Alphaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Rhodopseudomonas viridis (synonym) = Blastochloris viridis, Blastochloris (Alphaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Agrobacterium radiobacter (synonym) = Rhizobium radiobacter, Rhizobium (Alphaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Erwinia herbicola, Erwinia (Gammaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Bacillus circulans, Bacillus (Bacilli, Firmicutes)
- Streptococcus cremoris (synonym) = Lactococcus lactis subsp. cremoris
- Actinomyces viscosus, Actinomyces (Actinobacteria, Actinobacteria)
- Corynebacterium glutamicum, Corynebacterium (Actinobacteria, Actinobacteria)
- Streptomyces antibioticus, Streptomyces (Actinobacteria, Actinobacteria)
- Acholeplasma laidlawii, Acholeplasma (Mollicutes, Firmicutes)
- Lactobacillus lactis (synonym) = Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. lactis
- Enterobacter agglomerans (synonym) = Pantoea agglomerans, Pantoea (Gammaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Rhodobacter capsulatus, Rhodobacter (Alphaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Haemophilus aegyptius, Haemophilus (Gammaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
- Corynebacterium pyogenes (synonym) = Arcanobacterium pyogenes, Arcanobacterium (Actinobacteria, Actinobacteria)
- Thiobacillus denitrificans, Thiobacillus (Betaproteobacteria, Proteobacteria)
These are the binomial names of bacteria species which we don't have articles for, sorted by the number of books or volumes they are found in. Each appears in at least 943 books or volumes. Many of the synonyms just need a redirect (or perhaps a disambiguation page). All the species already have genus-level articles, but if you're looking to add more species-level articles, these could be good candidates. Data sources are Google Books ngram data and Catalogue of Life. (P.S. Wikipedia already has articles or redirects for 98 of the top 100 "most written about" bacteria species/binomials. This will be 100 of 100 when items #1 and #2 are no longer red links.) —Pengo 00:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Discussion on potential article: Supergroup_(biology)
There is a discussion about whether an article called Supergroup_(biology) should be created, but the term appears to have different usages in eukaryotes, bacteria, and viruses. Please weigh in at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#We_apparently_need_to_create_an_article_for_Supergroup_(biology). Cheers! --Animalparty-- (talk) 21:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Lactobacillus seriously needs to be improved
I really think the Lactobacillus article has a lot of things that need to be fixed, including but not limited to the reliability of sources, the structure of this article, and lots of unreferenced content, as well as lots of important missing information. I would really appreciate if anyone could help raise this article to at least a C-class rating :)
Reliability of sources and Unreferenced content
That article really needs some more reliable sources to prove the information on it. Firstly, some claims such as the dental caries thing, does not have any sources that prove it. The source being used simply states a hypothesis, and is not sufficient to prove the effects of Lactobacillus on teeth. There are no sources about the metabolism of the bacteria as well.
Structure of article
I think that the structure of the article seriously needs to be fixed. It is lacking essential information. The sections list things that are very specific, and often are not the most important, but have too much content. Look at E. coli's page, which itself is being graded as a Good Article. Its structure is clear, the general topics are mentioned and the article then zooms in to the more specific topics. Lots of general information e.g. its biochemistry and its genetics, are missing from this article. Some sections such as taxonomy and metabolism need some serious fixing and expansion.
There is a new essay, "Identifying primary and secondary sources for biology articles", you are invited to comment on.DrChrissy (talk) 12:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)