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All the best: Rich Farmbrough01:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

Potential project for you guys?[edit]

Hi, guys. I'm contacting you to see if your group has interest in taking lead on a potential project to collaborate with the History Channel on information related to the Texas Revolution. In a nutshell, they are going to be running a program called "Texas Rising", which focuses on the battles and events of the Texas Revolution after the Alamo. Horizon Media has contacted us to see if there would be any possibility of the article on Texas Revolution or the one on Santa Anna reaching featured status for TFA on the day the program launches, May 25, 2015 (Memorial Day). They are aware that we are not an advertising platform, but hope to be able to point viewers to the main page article for further information. There is a possibility, if there is interest, that they may be able to get some assistance in developing either article from History Channel historians.

They have been apprised that article development is managed by volunteers, as is the assessment of quality and the coordination of TFAs, and they are very interested in working with a volunteer group who might be interested in exploring this possibility. You guys seemed to me like a natural fit. Is there any interest in taking part in this? Any questions or concerns I should pass along first? --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 19:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Mdennis (WMF): The only Milhist Texas writer that I know of is Karanacs, who is interested in that exact time period but hasn't been active for some time. Perhaps you could try emailing her? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
G'day, I believe that Maile66 is currently working on something related to this: the Runaway Scrape, an article which is currently being reviewed at Milhist A-class review. Not sure if they would be interested or not. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
After The World Wars (miniseries), why would anyone interested in history want to work with the History Channel?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I'm involved in Texas history. However, I would at least try to get the word out to Karanacs and Kuru who contributed to Texas FAs. Also, WhisperToMe might be interested. And, yes, by the way, the Runaway Scrape is the subject matter. It is a brief of what happened after the Alamo until Santa Anna's surrender.— Maile (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Maile, for pinging me on this. I have long wanted to get Texas Revolution up to snuff, but I had planned to write about each of the battles first... and then burnt out halfway through. I've barely begun research into the second half of the war - although it looks like Maile has! This is a big undertaking - it would need to be done and nominated for FA by mid-April to have a prayer of passing before Memorial Day. In that time frame, it would take a team of at least 3, I think - 1-2 to finish the research (Goliad campaign, battle of San Jac, aftermath/significance), 1 to pull together the existing research/summarize the FAs already written, 1 to write up the new research. Plus drop-ins from a copyeditor (perhaps Modernist?) and someone who knows something about images. I don't have the amount of time that I used to have to devote, but if we could get a few other volunteers to commit, I'm in for a collaboration. At this point, I'd probably be better suited to doing research and posting my notes and letting someone else write. Then I could help with the FA prep, since I used to do a lot of that. Karanacs (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I would also be interested in doing Sam Houston - I have 3 biographies of him at home just waiting for me to read them. Karanacs (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
And thank you for answering. I'm willing, but I realize my limitations. For one thing, I don't have access to nearly enough research material for that part of it. I'm willing to pitch in and do what I can, but I also believe there are writers here at MHProjject who far surpass me on writing skills. The timing of this is ironic. I just happened to run across Runaway Scrape in October, not having seen it before, and decided to make it more understandable. Hope this idea gets volunteers. — Maile (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, guys! In January I may be able to get some archival material from institutions in southeast Texas. Are there particular libraries you have in mind? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd be thrilled to help with such a project, but that is a real big project. In essence, you'd need to cover the entire Runaway Scrape - the article and it's relevant sub articles. Additional consideration could also be given to the articles Six flags over Texas and History of Texas, since those two articles are also part of the history of Texas, and would be of interest to people checking the series out. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
PS: Maggie Dennis (WMF), thanks for bringing this up here. I can't vouch for the rest of the editors here, but this new just made my day (or more accurately, my night, since I don't think I've seen the sun in a week :) TomStar81 (Talk) 02:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this here, Maggie -- with Karanacs (welcome back!), WhisperToMe, and TomStar81 expressing interest, it sounds like there might already be the nucleus of a project team. Karan's suggestions for division of labour (sorry, labor...!) make sense to me. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mdennis (WMF):In order to determine where exactly we should concentrate our efforts here can we get some idea of when exactly the series wraps up? The period they are covering could have one of two possible end points: the aftermath of the Battle of San Jacinto, or the Texas annexation of 1845-1846. If its the former, then my original assessment that we would need to work on the Runaway Scrape, but if they are planning on going a little further than that then we would need to expand our horizons a little to adequately cover the series. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, Runaway Scrape needs to have the A-Class review wrapped up. — Maile (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I googled the History Channel production. It claims to be "the story of how the Texas Rangers were created" (which has pretty much zero to do with the Texas Revolution, so keep reminding yourself this is a fictionalized account and people deserve a great article to point out reality). The list of characters is mostly people who played big parts in the Battle of San Jacinto. It may go as far as Lamar's presidency (he formalized the division), but I doubt much further than that. Since most people will google Texas Revolution instead of Runaway Scrape, I don't think we need to focus on the latter article. Karanacs (talk) 23:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Except that it was nominated for A-class review before this other ever came up. I'm just saying I would like that review to progress as normal, whether or not any additional editing happens to it. It was termed "horrible article" on the talk page, and nobody could make sense of it before I completely rewrote it. My purpose with the A-class review was/is to put those talk page doubts to rest. — Maile (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I've started brainstorming at Talk:Texas Revolution. Karanacs (talk) 16:03, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm answering a ping above and on my page. I'd love to help in any way. Anything that keeps Karanacs as an active editor; very excited to see you back. Will check in on the TR talk page and volunteer as needed. Kuru (talk) 02:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi, guys. I'm sorry for the delay in my response. I've got an inquiry out to them, as I'd like to put them in touch with one of you directly, but they are not speedy correspondents. :/ I will update with more information and hopefully make a direct connection as soon as I can! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 14:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Mdennis (WMF), to the surprise of no one, Karanacs has taken the old Texas bull by its long horns and is gradually putting in place a structure the rest of us can work from. Please see Talk:Texas Revolution. She can answer for herself, but I would suggest putting her out there as the main contact for this project. She's got the experience, know-how and initiative to see this through. — Maile (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, — Maile . :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Voting for the military historian of the year for 2014 now open![edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Military historian Goldenwiki 2.png of the year 2014

Nominations for this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, the second and third placed editors and all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided below. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~)

All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (GMT) on 21 December 2014.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, TomStar81 (Talk) 00:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Nominations[edit]

  • Parsecboy: The (mainly German) ship-building continues apace, with a huge number of GAs this year. Incredible workrate. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Sturmvogel 66: A prolific ship-maker who has contributed hugely to Milhist GAN throughput via reviewing as well (has reviewed 493! GANs). Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Euryalus (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3.   Cliftonian (talk)  14:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Lots of good reviewing going on during the year. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Molestash (talk)
  6. Anotherclown (talk) 00:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  7. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  8. Reviews both for substance and for writing quality. Rammer (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  9. Catlemur (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  10. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  11. Nick-D (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Tomobe03: Great work this year, significant contribution to Croatia War of Independence articles/lists (1 × FL, 22 × GA) and lots of GAN reviews. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Anotherclown: massive contribution as a reviewer at GAN and ACR this year, as well as content creation work at B-class and GAN. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Cuprum17 (talk) 14:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 19:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Zawed (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Ian Rose: another fantastic year for Ian in terms of content creation, co-ord duties and FAC work. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Zawed (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Arius1998 (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. Nick-D (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Peacemaker67: a strong year of content creation in a contentious field and significant contributions to the project through work as a co-ord. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. One of our strongest contributors in all facets of the project over the past year. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2.   Cliftonian (talk)  14:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Kierzek (talk) 15:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Anotherclown (talk) 00:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. Catlemur (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  7. Cuprum17 (talk) 19:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  8. Arius1998 (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  9. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Hawkeye7: made a significant contribution to the project's co-ordination through creation of MilhistBot. Has also continued to produce top quality articles throughout the year. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. I think I vote for Hawkeye every year but the quality and quantity of his work just doesn't slacken, and he's topped all that off this year with the most useful bots for both ACR and FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Euryalus (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  4.   Cliftonian (talk)  14:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. The bots were a stand-out contribution this year. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  7. Anotherclown (talk) 00:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  8. Cuprum17 (talk) 14:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  9. Catlemur (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  10. Arius1998 (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. A series of great articles on subjects many readers find fascinating, but few editors feel up to tackling. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Kierzek (talk) 15:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • BoringHistoryGuy Tireless often behind-the-scenes worker, whose name is often the answer when I ask my self, "Who did all this?" Carptrash (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Must help a person named "Boring"! Rammer (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Diannaa Copy editor extraordinaire, a tireless work ethic, significant contributions at improving articles, adding cites, removing OR and vandalism edits; great collaborator and reviewer. / Extremely kind person, always willing to help, awesome collaborator, and highly appreciated copy editor. Kierzek (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC) and Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 01:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Thanks for all your hard work, especially adding cites. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. As co-nom. I gladly add my vote for the reasons I state above. Kierzek (talk) 15:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Nick-D (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • P-123 A tireless and outgoing copy editor whose non-stop editings give other editors energy and motivation for editing. He is skilful at addressing the disputes and leading them toward consensus. Mhhossein (talk) 09:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Auntieruth55 - Dedicated hard working editor whose numerous streamlined contributions tend to fly below the radar, but one whom the project definitely relies on to help with the work. TomStar81 (Talk) 19:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Agree with everything Tom said. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Dank: has had a hand in most A-class and FA-class articles the project has produced this year through involvement in reviewing and copy editing. AustralianRupert (talk) 06:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Has copyedited every A class abd FAC article I've submitted, which is much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Buistr (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. As a copyeditor (and sometimes co-nominator) Dan seems to have had a hand in just about every Milhist article that's gone to ACR and/or FAC, a great record of dedication. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Hchc2009: sterling work on medieval-themed milhist articles in 2014. Zawed (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Another highly productive editor. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Suffers from being at the bottom of the ballot. Rammer (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
     :) Hchc2009 (talk) 20:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. As nominator. Zawed (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Voting for the military history newcomer of the year for 2014 now open![edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Military history newcomer Goldenwiki 2.png of the year 2014

Nominations for this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, the second and third placed editors and all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided below. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~)

All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (GMT) on 21 December 2014.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, TomStar81 (Talk) 00:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Nominations[edit]

  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Anotherclown (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Cuprum17 (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Lineagegeek (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Cinderella157: active since June 2014, mainly working on a re-draft of the Battle of Buna–Gona article with a view to eventually going live with it. A new editor who is putting in a lot of work to get things right and who will be a great asset to the project. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. --Molestash (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. As nominator. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Anotherclown (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Saxum: made considerable contributions in the first year of project participation adding half a dozen GAs. In all honesty they're active in Milhist since late November 2013 - so I'm not quite sure if they apply to the "newcomer" category, but I figured this year's round of nominations were in practice the first where they could be nominated. Cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Kierzek (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Jonas Vinther: joined us in late December 2013. Since then he worked on a number of articles and supported the project by reviewing many articles. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Anotherclown (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Cuprum17 (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:36, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Kierzek (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • P-123 A tireless and outgoing copy editor whose non-stop editings give other editors energy and motivation for editing. He is skilful at addressing the disputes and leading them toward consensus. Mhhossein (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Yes, Wikipedia needs nice editors who work diplomatically with people. Rammer (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Pendright: a US Navy veteran of World War II who officially joined our project just over a year ago and has shown great dedication since then, taking a brace of articles through GA, A, and finally FA-class reviews. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:20, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. As nom. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. RobDuch (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  6.   Cliftonian (talk)  14:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  7. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  8. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  9. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  10. Jehorn (talk) 18:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  11. Excellent to have this military historian who has actually been there. Rammer (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  12. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  13. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:36, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Especially notable for demonstrated ability to recruit others. Rammer (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. TeriEmbrey TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Kierzek (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Return of assessing IP[edit]

An IP with a history of assessing articles for this project that project members found unsatisfactory has returned: [1], previous discussion here from April 2014. They were blocked back then as a sock of Wild Wolf. I have no idea whether the latest assessments are problematic, but they're doing a lot of articles so the project needs to be aware. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

The user needs to at least provide an edit summary to justify the change to each article's assessment (rating). A note on this was added to the the IPer's talk page. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, the IPer seems to be mainly copying in the B-class assessment fields, but not checking if each criteria is passed or not ('yes/no' is being left for each field). -Fnlayson (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, it's more than one IP involved with the same history. No block log on this one, but they stopped doing the assessments 2 December 2013 and resumed 1 December 2014 and stopped 2 December 2014. The one noted above by Yngvadottir stopped the editing 26 August 2014 and resumed 6 November 2014, stopped 26 November and resumed 4 December. Looking at the times of the edits of both, there surely must be some kind of automation involved. — Maile (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Be amazed at how fast one can copy paste. It looks like a previously banned editors work but it would need more than blanket assessing to get a permanent sock ban. --Molestash (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
This one, too. They edit exclusively Nov-Dec, this year and last. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, they're all located in Kansas, and that last one is the Topeka & Shawnee County Public Library.— Maile (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I will vote for[edit]

the first editor who can tell (here or my user page) the date of the uniform Kit Carson is wearing in the lede picture of that article. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 05:42, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Its probably a civil war uniform, likely from his time from the civil war since the insignia on his shoulder appears to be an eagle (rank of Colonel) as opposed to his brevet General rank attained after the war ended. As there is no mention of his Indian war service, TomStar81 (Talk) 07:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, after a little more digging I can narrow Carson's uniform down to no early than 1853/54, and no later than 1865/66. According to the article, in 53/54 Carson;s future unit (the department of NM) was formally created, since he held the rank of colonel in that unit his uniform could not have been issued any earlier than that to have been photographed with the eagle insignia. He was recommended for brevet general's rank in 65, so the uniform's insignia would have had a general's star past 65/66. Accordingly then, based on this empirical evidence, I can safely say with a high degree of certainty that this photograph in the lead was taken at some point during the civil war, or the immediately preceding Indian interventions; more probably the former than the latter since the civil war has a better collection of photographs related to commanding officers. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
One might also suggest that, comparing the photo with that from 1868, Carson is considerably younger in the former - hair fuller and dark, face less lined. Which would point earlier in the 1860s than later.Monstrelet (talk) 16:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Winter War[edit]

There is an ongoing neutrality dispute in Winter War article. See the discussion here. I have started discussion on NPOV noticeboard and I was advised to turn to you. Can you help to resolve the dispute? --Gwafton (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

"Royal Army"[edit]

The usage of "Royal Army" is under discussion, see talk:Royal Army (disambiguation) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:53, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Danny Boy[edit]

The Battle of Danny Boy has been in the news this week. Would anyone care to expand the article? -- PBS (talk) 16:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Kosovo, input requested[edit]

There is currently a discussion (after an Edit War) in this article concerning how to list the modern day location of this historic battle from the 1300s. Would project members please review the article and comment as to what the norms or standards are in this matter, Talk:Battle_of_Kosovo#LOCATION.3F.21.3F.21. I am trying to stay uninvolved and just facilitate consensus. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:22, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Ethos[edit]

[2] I've been in the habit of putting urls on theses held by Ethos and have just found that the link doesn't always go to the thesis indicated, particularly on articles where more than one thesis is in the References section. I've tinkered around and can only make the link specific by logging in, which seems unwise to disclose on a Wikipedia page. Does Wiki have a corporate membership or something to get round this?Keith-264 (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Keith-264, do you want to link to the PDF of the thesis or the page giving key info about it (eg)? Nev1 (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I've been doing it per the example and finding that the same address has come up on subsequent urls to different theses.Keith-264 (talk) 10:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not very familiar with EThOS URLs, but the odd part there seems to be did=7 - does stripping this out of the URL and just keeping the uin=... part solve the problem? It should be unique, at least in theory. Andrew Gray (talk) 12:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Tomitarō Horii and Draft:Battle of Buna-Gona Japanese strength and order of battle[edit]

hi, have been working on Draft:Battle of Buna–Gona and posted following to Talk:Tomitarō Horii

Hi, I am working on a rewrite of the Battle of Buna-Gona. All wiki reliable sources I can access Give Horii's rank as Maj Gen. I believe (from Wiki unreliable sources) that he was promoted posthumously. Was hoping to clear this up. Does anybody have a precise reference to address this 'apparent' discrepancy please? Thanks Cinderella157 (talk) 04:16, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thought this might get wider coverage here.

Regarding Draft:Battle of Buna-Gona Japanese strength and order of battle, I have only been able to find relevant images of the dead, wounded or captured. I think this is unfortunate. I was hoping for something more positive if anybody could help. Unfortunately, my revision for the battle Draft:Battle of Buna–Gona (just like the current page) is written from an Allied perspective. I see no way around this except to write an additional article from a Japanese perspective. Regards Cinderella157 (talk) 03:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

From memory, I think that it was routine for World War II-era Japanese military personnel (or maybe just officers?) to be promoted posthumously. Regarding sources with material on Japanese perspectives, I think that the main works are Bullard's translation of the Japanese official history and Collie and Marutani's book The Path of Infinite Sorrow (best used carefully). Blood and Iron by Lex McAulay apparently also provides good detail on Japanese perspectives (I haven't read it), but might now be a bit dated. Please don't create articles with different perspectives: doing so would violate WP:NPOV, and be confusing to readers. If it comes to it, there are lots of sources you can draw on which explain the limited availability of Japanese perspectives and sources (in short, few of the Japanese personnel involved in the 1942-43 New Guinea battles survived the war, the records of their units were destroyed during the war, and translation problems mean that Japanese perspectives are greatly represented in English language accounts). Nick-D (talk) 03:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Regarding perspectives, I was mainly acknowledging that most articles are usually written from one perspective (in this case, from the Allies). The main reason is that most of the material available to English readers is written by British or American authors relying on English language sources. In this particular case, Japanese sources are limited (particularly for English only speakers) for some of the reasons you have identified. I would also find it difficult to perceive a good, readable, coherent account interwoven from both perspectives (both sides of the wire). From a purely objective perspective, different things are happening for different reasons. If you then overlay analyses from various sources, it could easily become confusing and disjointed. It would take a very good writer to pull something like that off. On the otherhand, the two perspectives, together, could combine to make a whole. I acknowledge the WP:NPOV. Accounts of most battles are recounted largely from one perspective or vantage point. For the Battle of Buna-Gona, this is from the perspective of the attacker. I perceive that neutrality of 'point of view' and the perspective from which something is seen are somewhat quite different (though the distinction is clearly not black and white).
"To the Bitter End" is the relevent McAuley work here. But regarding sources, I was mainly referring to images. While I appreciate your explanation regarding posthumous promotion, it still leaves the matter of Horii's rank without a reliable source to substantiate it and many sources that would dispute it. Thanks again for the response. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 05:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

CSL lakers[edit]

How are two lakers within the scope of this project? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Thunder_Bay_(ship,_2013) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Baie_St._Paul_(ship,_2012) Cpfan776 (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

This user has been adding the Milhist flag to a lot of pages (Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao).Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:31, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that - don't know how they got in there, but I've retagged them. (I try to winnow stuff out when I'm tagging, but things slip through from time to time.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate that you correctly flagged two category talk pages I created.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 04:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Happy to be of help. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

M5 Half-track (APC)[edit]

The naming and existence of this article is under discussion, see talk:M5 Half-track (APC) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Contents boxes[edit]

Is there a view as to whether dates should be included like this:

   3.1 First phase
       3.1.1 Battle of Pilckem Ridge: 31 July – 2 August
       3.1.2 Capture of Westhoek: 10 August
       3.1.3 Battle of Hill 70
       3.1.4 Battle of Langemarck: 16–18 August
       3.1.5 Subsidiary operations: 19–27 August
       3.1.6 Second offensive battle of Verdun
   3.2 Second phase
       3.2.1 German defensive changes
       3.2.2 Battle of the Menin Road Ridge: 20–25 September
       3.2.3 Battle of Polygon Wood: 26 September – 3 October
   3.3 Third phase
       3.3.1 Battle of Broodseinde: 4 October
       3.3.2 German defensive changes
       3.3.3 Battle of Poelcappelle: 9 October
       3.3.4 First Battle of Passchendaele: 12 October
       3.3.5 Battle of Malmaison
       3.3.6 Second Battle of Passchendaele: 26 October – 10 November

thanks.Keith-264 (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

As far as I know there isn't a convention for this, but I can see that it might help the reader navigate while it also produces a pretty bulky table of contents. I think if it's going to be done, it needs to be consistent within the article. So why no date for the Battle of Hill 70 for example. As a middle ground, how about giving dates for the three phases and not the battles which make up the headings below? Nev1 (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that the contents box looks best when it's rather slim but since it's for a reader, leaving the dates out might be unhelpful. On the other hand if the dates are in the first line of text and not in the box will that be enough? I left dates off Hill 70, Verdun and La Malmaison because they weren't part of the battle/campaign but had reciprocal effects. I wondered if there was a convention since I can't make my mind up. I think now I'd take them out but that would be for aesthetic reasons rather than certainty that a reader wouldn't miss something.Keith-264 (talk) 10:12, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Quotes[edit]

Here is a list of quotes I have gathered. If you wish to use anyone of them in article just ping or message me and I will throw you a link to the source or sources.

"6 June 1941. You can feel that something big is going to happen. For months now trains of troops have been rolling to the East. Why are all these troops being taken to the East? We have a treaty with the Russians. Shouldn't we be fighting England?"

— Diary of a confused private in the Germany Army

"My father, who's a general, told me the French have 40 divisions on the border! We have 15. All the rest are in Poland. 500,000 men against 200,000. They outnumbered us two to one."

— The diary of a German enlisted man who talks about the French and British declaration of war

"In my opinion Russia can never be annihilated. She is defended by her very size—a country so fast that it can never be conquered or held. The Russian chapter is over. We should make peace with Stalin."

— Mussolini in a private conversation to Hitler after Stalingrad

"I have asked our enemies to cease all hostilities. I have taken this decision, painful to the heart of a soldier, because the military situation demands it. "

— Pétain addressing the nation on 17 July 1940

"Yesterday announced a non-aggression pact with Moscow. Great world sensation! London and Paris can't believe it. The Fuhrer has made a clever chess move. Let's see how the world will react to this smokescreen."

— Diary of Goebbels after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

"It's unbelievable, but true. At 11:15 Mr. Chamberlain spoke on the radio. He said that his Majesty's government had sent Hitler an ultimatum to withdraw their troops from Poland. There has been no reply and the ultimatum has expired at 11 o'clock. We are now at war with Germany."

— Diary of a woman from London

"In the morning we searched houses. The population here is very afraid of us "barbarians". A women was throwing herself at my knees, employing me not to kill her children! I told her in my broken French that we were only looking for weapons. But she didn't believe me. She just cried, cried and cried."

— Diary of a German private talking about the German occupation of France

"I don't know if you will ever read this words. But I know for sure this is my last letter. A fight is on. A heated, deadly fight. Our tank has been hit, fascists are all around us. The street is filled with corpses. They look like large motionless lizards. It is unbearably hot and I'm thirsty. Your portrait is lying on my knees. I'm looking at it into your light blue eyes. Don't cry. You properly wont come to my grave. Will I have a grave?"

— Letter of a Russian private in the Red Army to his wife

It was never quite clear how they selected the people that were executed. Some of them were known fighters, but most of them were just normal Serbs. Not very nice the whole affair. I was quite surprised to see one old man—why did they shoot him? And also one of the Jews of our town, who was very incident, who hadn't harmed anybody before."

— The diary of an unknown Serbian man who witnessed an execution.

"Dear dad. Never before have I felt so alone. I'm sure that I can't last much longer. We have paid a heavy price. I know I shouldn't write like this, but there is noting else to say. I'm so sick of war that sometimes I feel like I'm loosing my mind. It's been very hard, but the damn thing can't last forever. Not for me it can't. All my friends are gone now. I'm a stranger among battalion. I shall try to do better in the next letter."

— Letter from First Lieutenant Howard Bradford to his father

All the best and Merry Christmas. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move: Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher[edit]

A "Requested move" has been done on Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher. I have already opposed to the move. I call on anyone in the WikiProject Military History to participate in this requested move. Also, you will see previous comments on the talkpage which was archived, now placed back to the talkpaged. Is there any way to have them archived like before? Adamdaley (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Just linked to the archived discussion where needed, especially if that is months old or more. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CV, December 2014[edit]

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Library[edit]

What has triggered my interest in this recently was that I took on the task of fixing the citations in the article Peninsular War. It turned out that a lot of copy and past had been done between three articles, Peninsular War, Battle of Corunna and the biography John Moore (British Army officer), but these copies had included short citations but sometimes without the accompanying long citations to go with them. It turned out that many of theses sources are available on the internet, so it was possible to check them, and several of them are detailed accounts of the whole of the Peninsular War (eg. Oman's seven volume, Southey' six volume and Napier's four volume histories).

Many editors are probably not aware of what is freely available, even if they are sorting out the different complete multi volume books avaible on the internet is time consuming, and so many editors probably go through the same time consuming steps. So I propose to start a new sub page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Library, the purpose of which will be to coordinate resources that are easily available to editors who work on military history topics and it will be structured along similar lines to the military history topics listed on the Project page, while there is a list of Personal libraries, I think that for many military history topics it would be useful to have a list of books and articles that are available on the internet.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this. -- PBS (talk) 17:14, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

GA nomination of Exhumation of Richard III of England[edit]

I've nominated Exhumation of Richard III of England for consideration as a Good Article in advance of his reburial next March, which will attract a huge amount of interest. The article is in good shape and is quite comprehensive, so I'm sure it will be a good GA candidate. I'd be grateful for any help with the GA review. Prioryman (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Task Force 1-41[edit]

Don Brunett, a member of Task Force 1-41 during the 1991 Gulf War, has written an article on the task force. I have turned it into a redirect to the 41st Infantry Regiment (United States) article for reasons explained on the talk page, but I'm not really an expert on Wikipedia's coverage of such task forces; if they usually are deemed notable, some help would be appreciated. Huon (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

On my article I presented two sources supporting what I wrote about Task Force 1-41. Road to Safwan and Jayhawk: 7th Corps in the 1st Gulf War. I was not finished with my work when I mentioned the 1st British Armoured div. We in fact had a brigade from the aforementioned division assigned to us at the Battle of Norfolk. I also provided our Valorous Unit Award Citation which further supported the claims I made and provided a link to the site which the Award is clearly presented along with the other units who also received this award during Desert Storm. Everything I provided was indeed fact that could be supported by both books I listed as references. Huon cited incorrect numbers and his date off by a decade. The U.S. had 23 Abrams tanks damaged or destroyed. We lost five and two of them to enemy fire. Read the first citation on the link I provided below and tell me these were not exceptional men. Thank you. Don Brunett

http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/vua_citations.html

G'day, I have responded on the article talkpage, and have refactored the above comments into one thread, hope you don't mind. IMO, the most appropriate way to resolve this is to AfD the article, that way a community consensus on its notability can be established. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

German submarine U-573 and Spanish submarine G-7[edit]

Over two years ago a discussion was spawned whether the two articles should be merged. Participation was rather low and I would say the outcome was rather inconclusive. Since then, none of the two articles progressed much and both more or less tell the same story. In similar instances (see USS Ringgold (DD-500), later German Zerstörer 2 (D171), or Greek Kimon (D42)) we only have one article for the entire service career. Does it make sense to revisit this discussion? MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2014 (UTC)