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Paralympic Games
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Covering the Olympics/Paralympics live and in person for Wikipedia and other WMF projects[edit]

Hi. For the 2012 Summer Paralympics, two Wikipedians (myself and User:Hawkeye7) are going to London to cover the Games with press credentials acquired through Wikimedia Australia. Covering these Games successfully on Wikinews and Wikipedia provides a fantastic opportunity to use this as leverage to get the Commonwealth Games and the Olympic Games in the next few years. The more successful we are at doing on the ground Original Reporting that coincides with Wikipedia article improvements and getting pictures in advance, the better we can use it to get additional access because Wikipedia and Wikinews will have a track record of success. In order to do this, we need your help on Wikinews. The Wikinews part is being organised as Wikinews:Paralympic Games. The main focus needs to be writing Original Reporting. We need people to help copy edit, to take original reporting notes and write them into Wikinews articles, who can hunt down acceptable licenses for pictures to use on articles. (IPC policy only allows a CC-BY-NC kind of license at the events. Not sure accreditation wise we'll be good to go with getting our own images in any case.) We also need people who can help with reviewing. Any assistance you can provide would be very much appreciated. Please sign up at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. :) --LauraHale (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm just a little concerned about the almost exclusively Australian POV that has predominated so far in the activity of your group. Are you sure your group can "globalise" your POV? Roger (talk) 07:00, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Transferring the momentum from Olympics to Paralympics[edit]

We need to find ways to capitalise on the high energy of the past few weeks in the coverage of the Olympics. How do we get these active editors to "come over to the crip side" and do the same for Paralympics 2012? Roger (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

With great difficulty I'd imagine. A good start would be to ensure that each nation's 2012 Paralympics article is listed in a see also section of the equivalent Olympic article, which will also require confirming the participation of each nation and turing the red links blue at Template:NPCin2012SummerParalympics - Basement12 (T.C) 12:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Another idea to draw attention would be to getting some featured content on the main page. Their isn't a suitable Paralympic featured article but we have a number of featured lists that could appear. I've listed them at User:The Rambling Man/tfl but if any one feels up to writing the necessary blurb and submitting at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions that could speed the process along. - Basement12 (T.C) 13:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I've started with the convenience templates side. See Category:2012 Summer Olympics convenience templates. Will save a lot of effort, edit conflicts and storage space. HandsomeFella (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Event tables - help please[edit]

I'm working on creating the tables for all events in South Africa at the 2012 Summer Paralympics. I have not found any examples from which to copy the layout of tables for cycling and wheelcair tennis. I'm also quite intimidated by the thought of creating tables for swimming. It's really complicated trying to figure out which events have heats and quarter final and semis and which have fewer rounds. I need some help please. Roger (talk) 07:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I've done the cycling tables and I'm about to do the tennis. Swimming should be easy enough to work out with the help of the Schedule on the official site, but it isn't the end of the world if you leave in an extra round, someone will fix it easily enough when the event occurs - Basement12 (T.C) 09:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! It looks like you're the "fix it" person around here. Roger (talk) 12:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I've started creating templates in my sandbox. Some sports may have to wait, for example in boccia I have no idea how many individuals are in each group at the first stage. JoshMartini007 (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

New articles for Equestrian[edit]

Two articles - Para-equestrian (for the sport in general) and Equestrian at the Summer Paralympics have been created. Both are very small stubs, please help to expand them. Please also check that links in existing Paralympic articles point to the correct articles. Roger (talk) 07:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute in the main Paralympic Games article[edit]

Please participate in the discussion about NPOV at Talk:Paralympic Games. Roger (talk) 11:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Naming standard issue[edit]

Hello project.

I've come across a naming problem. Look at this:

Which way should they be named?

HandsomeFella (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I would say "Football 5-a-side" because that's the way the main articles and the Official Paralympics websites name it. There is also "Football 7-a-side" these two events are treated as variants of Paralympic association football. Go ahead and change the 2004 article. Roger (talk) 07:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done ... that and a bunch of similar artefacts. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Large number of Athletics redlinks[edit]

Many event articles under Athletics at the 2012 Summer Paralympics still need to be created - particularly the Women's events. Once the games begin it might be hard to keep up - we need to try to get as much preliminary work done as possible before the flood of results and news starts. Roger (talk) 07:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

A lot of the 2008 links are still red as well, unfortunatley it's a case of not enough people and too much to do. Event articles are easy enough to create once the events begin, other than a list of athletes (most of which would be redlinks in any case0 and the dates of events they'd contain little information yet anyway. When creating teh articles intros and infoboxes can be copied over from similar pages and modified and lists of athletes and times/distances can be copied in from the official results pages and formatted into tables without too much trouble. What does need to be done is the creation of a medal table like the one at Athletics at the 2008 Summer Paralympics#Men's events - Basement12 (T.C) 09:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
There are now no redlinks in the article (the pages generally existed, they'd just become a bit 'decoupled' Fayedizard (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

2012 Paralympic Event Templates[edit]

I've created templates for all of the events in my sandbox if anyone would like to use them in the "X at the 2012 Paralympics" articles. Of course if you want to use your own you are welcome to do so as well. JoshMartini007 (talk) 18:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

That's great! It's easy to see which events have "N/A" rounds! There's just one problem - according to WP:MOSHEAD images must not be used in section headings. Quite a lot of the articles do, but it's wrong. I once saw an explanation that it interferes with screen readers correctly identifying headings as such. Roger (talk) 18:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Images in headers cause screen readers to read the headings out rather strangely (e.g. "Archery - Paralympic pictogram.svg Archery". They also cause the section headings listed in edit summaries to come out rather weirdly, like "/* 30px Archery */". Graham87 07:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, there was a discussion about this at WikiProject Olympics recently and their use has now been removed from the style guidelines for Olympic/Paralympic nation articles - Basement12 (T.C) 08:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Well I've removed them, but not until after I've done over half the pages. I guess I'll remove them over the period of the games. JoshMartini007 (talk) 21:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Event article organization[edit]

Is there a consensus on how we want to organize the event articles? I've seen three different approaches, there may be more:

Personally I like the first option, the other two result in an unmanageable number of articles with a lot of duplicate information. What do you all think? — jwillbur 03:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Ideally we should have a separate article for each medal event, just as we do for the Olympics, linked to from the main "Sport" at the 2012 Summer Olympics article (I think this is what you mean with your third option), I don't see how that results in any duplicate information or why it is unmanageable. Lumping all classifications together in one article could result in unmanageably long articles and having both a men's 100 metres article and a men's 100 metres T11 article would indeed result in duplicate information - Basement12 (T.C) 08:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree with User:Basement12, each event should have it's own article - lumping them together will result in enormously long pages. Conversely I don't see any reason why a large number of articles should be unmanagable - that's what Navboxes and Categories are for. Roger (talk) 07:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

British Paralympic gold medallists[edit]

I've wikified the IPC database of British Paralympic gold medallists and placed it at User:Violetriga/British Paralympic gold medallists. This may help identify articles that we need to create for the competitors, events, or years. Do with it what you will! violet/riga [talk] 21:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Once it is cleaned up, those leaderboards would be a good addition to Great Britain at the Paralympics, as is done at Australia at the Paralympics.
The IPC database is full of ambiguous names and duplicates. If you have identified a change needed in the IPC database, let user:Graham87 know, or join the HOPAU mailing list. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Controversies at the 2012 Summer Paralympics[edit]

With Jody Cundy's removal after a misstart to the original ineligibility of Victoria Arlen with the removal of three Jordanian powerlifters to Channel 4's advert break during the parade to NBC's non-broadcast of the games, what is the possibility of having a page similar to the Olympic counterpart, I probably take it might not be likely especially the decision to refuse Cundy a restart was controversial and have been the talk of the games so far. Donnie Park (talk) 17:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Could you please restate your point(s) clearly and list each one separately. The monster of a run-on sentence you wrote above is very hard to parse - I can't figure out how many distinct "controversies" you have mentioned. A bulleted or numbered list would really help. Roger (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, I will mention it in bullet points as requested as follows as these are examples, all of these are sourcable
  • Advert break on Channel 4's coverage of the opening ceremony
  • NBC's non-coverage of the games
  • Victoria Arlen's eligibility
  • Removal of two Jordanian powerlifter from the game
  • Jody Cundy disqualification
  • Oscar Pistorius's remark over Alan Oliveira after he finished 2nd in the 200m race
  • Not sure if that count but George Osborn's reception when he presented medals (which you can see on Youtube)
If this doesn't get through, then I am not bothered. Donnie Park (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I think it's worth having - do we want to take the structure direct from the olympic counterpart? Fayedizard (talk) 18:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I've gone ahead a put something in the sandbox Fayedizard (talk) 18:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
An hour later, it's a bit more expanded and vaguely looking like an article - It could really do with someone looking at the Oscar Pistorius stuff, and also someone putting all the relevant project boxes on the talk page, but I'm going for a biscuit and a cup of coco now... Fayedizard (talk) 20:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
The Pistorius story is presented in a very one-sided way. The IPC is on record admitting that Pistorius contacted them six weeks before the Paralympics about the issue of excessive blade length. The IPC are willing to meet with him to discuss it after the games, thereby they have accepted that his argument is not without merit. See http://www.iol.co.za/sport/ipc-considers-action-against-oscar-1.1375648 I hope some balance and sanity can be brought to this controversy, instead of the rather gratuitous "Oscar-bashing" so evident in some media. Roger (talk) 22:38, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually I copy-pasted that one straight from the Pistorius article (with notes to make sure the right template is used...) I notice that you've done a bit of work since on the Pistorius article - would you be confortable transferring the information across? I suspect you're a lot more well informed on the story than me by now (I was concentrating on just expanding the article... Fayedizard (talk) 09:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
More generally - are the any controversies that have been missed? and would anyone object with the article going to mainspace once the Pistorius stuff is fixed up a little? Fayedizard (talk) 09:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I graduated this out of the sandbox today to Controversies_at_the_2012_Paralympic_Games - if there are any comments that would be great - I might even see if this is a good time to learn how the DYK process works..Fayedizard (talk) 20:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Boccia[edit]

I happen to be at Boccia_at_the_2012_Summer_Paralympics today - so I'll probably be poking that article later - while I'm there is there anything I should know about image rights and the like? i.e. if I take a picture in the arena, that picture is mine to upload right? Or will I run into some strange olympic rules? Fayedizard (talk) 06:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

You can see a discussion that we had over Olympic images at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics/Archive 13#Licencing of images taken inside venues? - Basement12 (T.C) 08:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) Fayedizard (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Medalist leaderboards[edit]

I've been building List of multiple Paralympic gold medalists at a single Games, as it provides many types of 'notability' statements that can be made on bios, "<nation> at the Summer Paralympics", "<year> .. medal table", and also in press releases. (I was hoping that Jacqueline Freney's seventh gold, if obtained, would put her at the top of one of those tables, however I have now completed the table for competitors with >= 7 gold medals, and she wont be able to knock the leaders of the top.)

It would be helpful if WikiProjects for each nation could be notified to create and improve bios of people on this list.

Are there any other leaderboards we should build?

The press and public are constantly looking for information about historical record holders, and that is our strength. John Vandenberg (chat) 16:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

For the types of similar articles that have been made for the Olympics take a look at Template:Olympics statistics, it should be noted however that there has been some discussion at WT:OLY as to whether such pages are necessary, and if they are to what degree. One major problem with this kind of list is the application of a "Rank" column, it implies some sort of winner of a category we've decided should be counted up which starts getting into original research/synthesis territory quite quickly - Basement12 (T.C) 23:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
But I do agree we should make an effort to turn the redlinks on that page blue and improve any that are stubs - Basement12 (T.C) 23:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I think a Paralympic version of List of multiple Olympic gold medalists in one event would be very useful. I'm less keen on the other leaderboards that WP has for the Olympics. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I refer you to two topics on which you have your say[edit]

Type of Disability and Disability Class and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Paralympics. --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Paralympic volleyball or Sitting volleyball?[edit]

Vote here. --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

It's a discussion to reach consensus - not a vote. Roger (talk) 07:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, the concept was that. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Paralympic sport pictograms[edit]

Hello. Just wanted to warn those who may be interested that I have begun creating pictograms for the Paralympic sports, in the same manner as the free-licensed generic Olympic sport pictograms. As I post this, I have already uploaded pictograms for archery, athletics, boccia and wheelchair basketball; in the next days, I'll continue uploading more. You can find them in my Commons gallery. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Tnx, expecially that of Athletics is nice. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
May I ask the wheelchair fencing please? --Kasper2006 (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, I can do that one now. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Here it is. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Tnx. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I immediately used to create this entry Wheelchair fencing at the Summer Paralympics. Point out,. also that the infobox does not work well (Template talk:Infobox Paralympic sport). --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Finding usable photos[edit]

How does one search for photos to illustrate the hundreds of articles the past games has generated? Google search does not have a paramater for copyright status so it's very hard to use to find photos we are allowed to use. There are zillions of photos on the web but I don't know of a way to sort them by licence. Roger (talk) 08:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The advanced search on Flickr [1] allows you to sort by license. You can then use Commons:User:Flickr upload bot to upload any you find to Commons - Basement12 (T.C) 08:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The question of Paralympic medal of Trischa Zorn[edit]

46 (32 gold) for IPC (see here) or 55 (41 gold), for others references (included same Paralympic.org). Here the discussion. --Kasper2006 (talk) 09:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

IPC country flag alias templates[edit]

We currently have 18 aliases in Category:Country_flag_IPC_alias_templates, and our templates then fall back on IOC aliases (see code of Template:FlagIPCathlete) which are in Category:Country flag IOC alias templates. However the reason for these 18 Paralympic specific templates is not documented, and doesnt appear obvious. {{Country flag IPC alias NZL}} is the same as {{Country flag IOC alias NZL}}; {{Country flag IPC alias ITA}} is the same as {{Country flag IOC alias ITA}}. However, they arnt all the same. {{Country flag IPC alias EUN}} is different from {{Country flag IOC alias EUN}}. Does the IPC use the same set of aliases defined in List of IOC country codes? (I believe it does!) Why would the Paralympics need different flags? John Vandenberg (chat) 15:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

There are always differences between the IOC and IPC versions of the templates, but you have to look in the edit window to see it. A separate IPC version is needed if a country has ever used a different flag for the Paralympics vs. the Olympics. Most of them are needed because the countries used a different flag at the 1980 games due to the boycott (see New Zealand at the 1980 Summer Olympics vs. New Zealand at the 1980 Summer Paralympics). — jwillbur 17:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Competitors at both Summer and Winter games[edit]

It would be useful to have a list of people who have competed at both Summer and Winter games. We can use category intersection to start the list by finding people who are in Category:Summer Paralympic Games and Winter Paralympic Games. There are currently 35 people in that intersection. John Vandenberg (chat) 16:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

London still labelled "Underway"[edit]

In the template at the top of this page (also used elsewhere) The London Games is still labelled "Underway", please update it. (I can't figure out how to do it myself.) Roger (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed :) Parutakupiu (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

classification renaming[edit]

See talk:Disability table tennis classification ; talk:Disability racquetball classification ; talk:Disability sailing classification ; talk:Paralympic powerlifting classification ; talk:Disability judo classification ; talk:Disabled lawn bowls player classification where this rename is proposed. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi. The above RMs failed. New Requested moves have been proposed at:

--Stfg (talk) 15:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

IPC Nor-Am Cup[edit]

If you're interested in skiing, Wikinews:IPC Nor-Am Cup is home to where we're taking the first steps to get Olympic/Paralympic media accreditation for the Sochi Games. Wikipedia:Meetup/Denver and Wikipedia:Meetup/San Francisco 18 are two meetups related to this.  :) --LauraHale (talk) 06:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Wheelchair Basketball Task Force[edit]

There is an initiative at WT:WikiProject Basketball#Wheelchair basketball to launch a Task Force. Roger (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Management of the category "paralympic athletes"[edit]

Categories that should be added in the article of a paralympic athlete? For esample. All agree that Category:Paralympic athletes of Australia is inside Category:Australian athletes. Moreover, the athlete should not be in the Category:Sprinters but in Category: Australian sprinters. Ergo in an article in the categories "athletes" and "event" should not be added. --Kasper2006 (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

If I understand what you're saying correctly, I agree with you. Articles should be in the most specific categories possible, and there's no need for them to be in a general parent category when a more specific subcategory would also be applicable. Graham87 06:16, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

New category[edit]

Note new Category:World record holders in Paralympic athletics.

  • I've gone systematically through the IPC Athletics World Record list to populate. 80%+ of the record holders had articles, but many were are literally just a sentence or two. Quickly improved a few on flyby, but clearly a huge amount of work to do. Sportygeek (talk) 19:07, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Moved from Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics#Recent changes]]. Graham87 07:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf[edit]

{{Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf}} has been nominated for deletion. Roger (talk) 07:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Disability swimming[edit]

Disability swimming is under discussion, see the WP:RFD. Also, the use of disabled swimmer has come up in the discussion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 02:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The discussion was no consensus: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_17#Disability_swimming. --John Vandenberg (chat) 09:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Paracanoe at the Summer Paralympics[edit]

I have just created this article, I would appreciate someone giving it a look over to check for errors and omissions. If you can expand it please do so. I also created Category:Paracanoe and Category:Paracanoe at the Summer Paralympics, please help to populate them. The main article about the sport in general Paracanoe still needs to be created. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:19, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

We need a pictogram for this new sport. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Ping Parutakupiu - as apparently the pictogram expert here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Tropical nations at the Winter Olympics[edit]

The title of Tropical nations at the Winter Olympics (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) is under discussion, see Talk:Tropical nations at the Winter Olympics -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 11:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update[edit]

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man) 05:20, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

To do[edit]

Surely on the to do list should be the swathes of red-link Paralympians? Matty.007 08:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Red-link multiple world record holders, even. Also Valery Redkozubov, who gave the Athlete's Oath in Sochi. Sigh. Sportygeek (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Style guide for WP articles about disability and related topics[edit]

Please see WT:WikiProject Disability#Developing a style guide where I have proposed the development of a guide for WP editors writing about disability related topics. Feel free to participate in the process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

In a related issue about categorization of people with disabilities, a RFC has been opened about a proposal to add disability to the WP:EGRS guideline. Please participate at WT:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#People with disabilities. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Vital Articles index has sorted Disability under Medicine[edit]

Please participate in the discussion to get it reclassified under Social Issues - WT:Vital articles/Expanded#Objection to Disability and related topics being marginalized under Medical. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)