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Is this a recognised theory, badly explained, or is it nonsense? I can't make head or tail of what galaxies have to do with any of it... AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- The article on Hamid Rajaei suggests that it is probably a real thing, but I'm dubious that the article ought to exist, given that the current version has no WP:RS-compatible sources. Looie496 (talk) 13:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- I just reverted Mahtabshadi's edits to Creativity . The edits were in patent violation of WP:RS and WP:UNDUE. "Galaxy-like and gradual correspondence theory" is a mess; no third-party sourcing, just OR. Mahtabshadi (an obvious sockpuppet of blocked editor Hhrqsh) has been promoting Hamid Rajaei's non-notable work since January. Mahtabshadi wrote the whole article about Rajaei. Someone should nominate for deletion both articles. --Omnipaedista (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Huon has AfDed both of them. See the first article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. --Omnipaedista (talk) 13:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- This is the biographical article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. --Omnipaedista (talk) 11:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
(outdent) Hamid Rajaei was eventually deleted but User:Mahtabshadi recreated it as Hamid Rajaei Rizi. --Omnipaedista (talk) 08:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Cutural movements and philosohpy
A number of articles on cultural movements, such as Postmodernism, Post-postmodernism, New Sincerity, Metamodernism (at this point I got bored checking) include philosophy in their scope, along with the more obvious arts, literature, etc. Are they right to do so? Are they right to be categorised in Category:Philosophical movements? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- Encyclopedia Britannica classifies postmodernism as a philosophical movement. Given that Pomo is skeptical of structure and reason and emphasizes ideological biases, philosophy certainly seems a part of it. I'd put the other derivative movements in the same boat. --Mark viking (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 15:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
A dispute has recently arisen over the inclusion of material critical of John Rawls's philosophy at the article on Rawls. User:HiLo48 has argued against including the criticism, but his talk page behavior has become frustrating. I'd be grateful if project members could visit the talk page and offer their comments. ImprovingWiki (talk) 07:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Dear philosophers: Wikipedia already has an article Edmund Burke. Should this draft be merged with the mainspace article, made into a standalone article, or deleted as a stale draft? If standing alone it would need improvement in referencing. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks Anne Delong. I cleaned it up, made a bibliography, posted it to article space, then connected the main Edmund Burke article to this one. It is useful that you brought this here. The article is saved. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Friedrich Nietzsche and free will — no references to secondary sources, entire article sourced to Nietzsche's works. The article is 100% original research. Additionally, it uses outdated translations. To me, the options are: 1. reduce to a stub. 2. nominate for deletion. Thoughts? — goethean 17:38, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- It is an interesting subject, but unfortunately, from the way you describe the article, I suspect deletion is the only option. ImprovingWiki (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Looking around, there are secondary sources out there on Nietzsche and free will in the context of his moral philosophy, e.g., SEP's entry on Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy. But I agree that the article is full of synth and original research. WP:TNT may apply. --Mark viking (talk) 04:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Project members may want to take note of the behavior of Piotrniz, who is making aggressive, repeated reverts at Friedrich Nietzsche, for example here, here here, and now once more here. It would help if Goethean or other users could make suggestions about what to do about this ongoing situation. Should the user be taken to ANI? ImprovingWiki (talk) 08:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The biography is copied verbatim from his website: sustainablehistory.com . Should be up for deletion, suggested whole rewrite. It's within your interests so I thought I'd let you know. I'll have a gander at it. amosabo t@lk; 09:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
A 'New' Philosophy for the 21st Century and Beyond, by Nicky Stoddart, Thinker, artist, single-mother and life-long lover of Earth and all in it and on it.
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OK folks, as a 54-year-old woman and a Philosophy graduate of 1982, I believe it's high time to clear up a few(!) things.
1. I hope you will all accept that the major Philosophical thinkers/writers of the last 2000 years have been male (for a whole variety of reasons which, forgive me, could perhaps be lumped under Patriarchy, and possibly fear).
2. Throughout the B.C. years there were, world-wide, wise men and wise women, who understood and FELT that, as hominids, we were not SEPERATE from the Earth but a part of it alongside all other life on Earth. Yes, they recognized that the planet we call the Sun had a crucial role to play in all life on Earth, and that everything was interconnected and inter-dependent: alter one tiny or large part and the reverberations take place throughout the whole. Communities/tribes were small, and individuals would no more contemplate adverse actions against Earth than they would contemplate adversity towards their tribal members, or any other living thing in their environment. (If there was adverse action, it would be quickly dealt with by communally agreed action depending upon the severity of the action in question.)
3. Hominids living BC had no concept of themselves having DOMINANCE or GOVERNANCE over the Earth (as, in contrast, is described in, for example, the Old Testament). Their survival REQUIRED respect for everything around them. As hunter-gatherers they 'gathered' nuts, fruit etc, and also took other living creatures when their survival depended on it.
BUT when they took an animal's life, they begged for forgiveness and made all reparations that they could with the animal, recognizing it as an equal spirit to themselves. And, for the vegans and vegetarians amongst you, plants, animals etc have their own level of feelings towards other living things - their survival may depend on them taking the lives of other living beings on an equal par with them. I would argue that morality amongst hominids/homo sapiens predates any religious/philosophical tenets, it arose from empathy and implicit understanding of their place within Earth's life-cycles in all their forms.
To live in Sartre's 'Good Faith' is to acknowledge that we all have a choice regarding our actions, a choice about who we ARE, the person we want/choose to be. However, I want to add something to Sartre's ideas as expressed in 'Being and Nothingness': I have every respect for vegans and vegetarians, but I believe our heritage is 'omnivore' rather than 'herbivore' (NOT that humans HAVE to be one or the other - to some extent our consciousnesses have, perhaps, made a qualitative difference between ourselves and other living organisms. (I had been a veggie for years prior to the birth of my son. But after a few weeks he simply did not want to eat my lovingly prepared veggie meals. What was I to do? Let him starve to death because of my conscious/conscience beliefs? As soon as I introduced some meat into his diet, he began eating in earnest. Sorry, but it was a no-brainer, and I was not going to starve the most precious thing in my life for the sake of principles from the rational side of my brain.)
4. So, my first main point perhaps, is that the trajectory of rational thought/science for the past few centuries has been overly dominated by male systems of thought. Fine in so far as this goes, but vast areas of other human and particularly female knowledge, gained through emotions and experience, have unfortunately been left out of the equation. Again, with more time, I would attempt to argue that these are equally valid truths.
Sorry men, but while you provide the spark/sperm that joins with our eggs to begin life, you do not CREATE and GROW life inside you.
Given space and time I would argue in more detail than here that just maybe this began to be felt by male humans as some sort of lack, and thus perceived ultimately as a threat to male supremacy (in Christian theology, both God and Jesus are/were, respectively, male), just as the wise women/herbalists/'witches' became a threat too. Prior to this rise of male dominance, both males and females were valued EQUALLY for their strengths - co-operation not confrontation was the prevailing model, since this was the only route to continued survival of our species. See, for example, some of the wonderful descriptions of this mutual respect in Rae Beth's 'Hedgewitch', ISBN 0-7090-4851-3.
As I write this, on Wednesday 24 September 2014, Obama has already initiated action against the supposed threat from insurgents in the Middle East, and Cameron's string-pullers are flexing their muscles for the UK to join in. I hesitate to include this, but as women from locations and recent decades the world over have said, if they were in charge, or at least equal charge, we would try EVERY avenue to avoid any of our children being killed in the cause of 'my toy gun/pocket money/dad/ideology etc is bigger and better than yours'.
There are no citations to this article. I am not in academia, I am on ESA and DLA, and all I want is for all us humans to just 'GET REAL', wake up and understand what is at stake.
188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a soapbox. You may wish to create your own blog, somewhere else, and post this and similar material there. -- Hoary (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- In particular, these Talk pages are for the purpose of collaborative discussion about Wikipedia's content and not anything else. A blog or discussion forum somewhere does sound more suitable for your needs. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 15:58, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Eyes requested at Brian Leiter again
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RFC in progress
There is a Request for Comments in progress at Talk: Artificial intelligence concerning the wording of the lede of the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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