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Forza Italia[edit]

Hello everybody! I'm an italian user, I wanted to inform you that the "new" Forza Italia party of Berlusconi is not an opposition party yet. If Berlusconi will not be pushed out from his seat (an improbably but possibile thing), he can chose to remain in the government coalition. Also, FI has got one vice-minister and one secretary in the italian government! For now, then, it is better to correct the voices about Forza Italia, the parliament and the Letta Cabinet...in 10 days will be all more clear. Bye for now! --Franci---juve 21:46, 20 nov 2013 (UTC)

Reassessment[edit]

Just stopping by to let someone part of the project here to reassess Progressive Labor Party (United States) in its class rating. It is undergoing some changes at the moment due to the lack of sources, wp:soapbox, and POV problems that plagued the article before. xcuref1endx (talk) 14:52 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Question: laws vs politics[edit]

Politicians pass laws. Is every article about a law also an article about politics? Many articles, like the 1968 US law, are categorized as both. Some articles, like the one about Canada above, is almost entirely about laws yet its title defines its scope as politics. Is there any rhyme or reason for how we delineate articles and categories covering politics vs laws? I'm trying to clean up some categories but I'm not sure how these concepts are meant to be split up. Rezin (talk) 23:46, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Trying to pin down a cloud, huh? Well, let's try it, then. Law is what is written down and/or generally enforced, and includes disputes over what the law is. Politics is the process of making or modifying (or trying to) law, selective enforcement of the law, and includes disputes over what the law should be. There will be a large amount of overlap here, and I suspect that many articles will need to be in both a politics sub-cat and a law sub-cat and that several sub-cats will need to have both law- and politics- parents. Your example of Gun Control Act of 1968 is one that I would expect to see in both, for example. And it is, so we're good. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 00:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
That's helpful - thanks. It sounds like you're saying that even though 'law' is a subcategory of 'politics', it's OK for articles to be in both the parent and child categories. Further, it sounds like 'politics' is the more general concept so if there's only one article on a country's gun-related issues that it's OK, and maybe best, for laws to be covered in a 'politics' named article rather than the other way around.
Extrapolating further (maybe too far), perhaps the 50+ articles covering 'guns laws by U.S. state' (e.g. Gun laws in Alaska) should be moved to 'gun politics by U.S. state', so that they can accommodate both. Or is it OK to cover politics in a 'law' article? Having both a 'laws' and a 'politics' article may make sense for an entire nation, but for a subdivision like a state or province it might be excessive. Better to combine them? What about putting both 'laws & politics' in the title? Rezin (talk) 17:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@Rezin: I'd mostly agree, except for two points. First, an article should only rarely be in both a parent and a child category, but it can be in the both category trees in multiple different places (see WP:SUBCAT). Second, that I would not merge gun politics and gun law articles as a "rule". The two topics are quite different and, once developed, should cover their own topics as general summary articles. Rather, I would say that they could be combined if very short (stub- or start-class) and that their "child" articles such as "The xxx gun law of 20xx" or "the xxx gun controversy" would often cover both law and politics. Again, though, no hard-and-fast rules here - it'll depend on the actual content of the individual article. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 00:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Cabinet or Government of France[edit]

The usage of Government of France and the naming of Cabinet of France is up for discussion, see Talk:Cabinet of France -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:32, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation help needed for National Liberation Movement.[edit]

National Liberation Movement, a disambiguation page related to this project, has about 40 incoming links. Any help fixing even a few of these would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@BD2412: Have started going through them. All so far were actually for liberation movement rather than any specific one. May be worth having a discussion about redirecting the NLM page there, and having a separate DAB page. Number 57 14:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - that may be a conversation worth having, particularly if the use of the term is not likely to be for a specific resolution on the disambiguation page. bd2412 T 14:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@BD2412: All cleared now (I think). Number 57 14:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Generational Replacement / Postmateralism in Political History[edit]

There was a shift in values From Materialist values (Maintaining Order,Keeping Prices low) to Postmaterialism (Giving people more say in important political decisions, freedom of speech.) due to Generational Replacement In Western Europe after 1945 as predicted by Ronald Inglehart

Does this belong in Political history or in somewhere else in the politics portal?

Leejabramson (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Launch of WikiProject Wikidata for research[edit]

Hi, this is to let you know that we've launched WikiProject Wikidata for research in order to stimulate a closer interaction between Wikidata and research, both on a technical and a community level. As a first activity, we are drafting a research proposal on the matter (cf. blog post). Your thoughts on and contributions to that would be most welcome! Thanks, -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 02:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention[edit]

This is a notice about Category:Political science articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Austrian Federal Government[edit]

[Some] Editors [want] to chance the title of Austrian Federal Government to Cabinet of Austria. [..Removed argument..] Third opinions would be appreciated. RGloucester 14:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@RGloucester: This is a blatant canvassing violation. Please reword. Thanks, Number 57 18:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not violating anything. This is the politics project, and I'm asking for third opinions on a politics-related matter. If you disagree with what I've written at that page, feel free to go there and say so. RGloucester 18:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@RGloucester: You are very clearly violating WP:CANVASS, specifically "canvassing which is done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way is considered inappropriate. This is because it compromises the normal consensus decision-making process, and therefore is generally considered disruptive behavior." I have indeed noted this at the discussion for the closer, but please acknowledge your error and correct it. Thanks, Number 57 18:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC
There is no error. I don't want to "skew" anything. I asked for third opinions. What I think is already known, and I've a right to say it. I didn't ask for support, but for third opinions. If you want to play legal games, go elsewhere. I have no time for it. Frivolity incarnate! RGloucester 18:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@RGloucester: There is an error – you asked for third opinions in a way that is clearly non-neutral. Do you not understand the guideline, or are you just openly ignoring it? Number 57 18:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
No error at all. My wording was non-neutral, because I'm non-neutral on this subject. However, I asked for third opinions. Never did I say that only people that support my position should come and make a comment. Again, you can say what you like. I merely wanted to broaden the discussion, and did so appropriately. That doesn't change the fact that my personal opinion is what it is. In fact, declaring it in the open is much more transparent than hiding it. I have a vested interest here, and I've made it known. RGloucester 18:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I agreee that project notices should be neutral in order to not appear like canvassing (see point about campaigning). I changed/removed some of the original wording, and have marked the changes with square brackets. Hope this is OK with you RGloucester. Iselilja (talk) 18:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I believe that all Wikipedia editors on political topics have their own personal political opinions. However we have collectively agreed to suspend all political personal opinions while we are editing on Wikipedia. If you reject this consensus policy regarding NPOV, please use your own Facebook page to express your personal private opinions. Anyone who persists in rejecting the NPOV policy, could get permanently banned from Wikipedia. Rjensen (talk) 01:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Watergate burglaries[edit]

FYI, there's a request for cleanup at WT:USA about this article -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Title for Swedish Cabinet crisis article[edit]

I am working with the article Swedish Cabinet crisis, 2014 and hope to nominate it for DYK this evening; however I am unsure if the title is the right one; so I welcome comments and suggestions on that. (Also, I appreciate if other editors don't edit the article the next hour, end of 11 December, to avoid edit conflicts; but improvements are very much welcome after that). Iselilja (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Iselilja: I would say 2014 Swedish Cabinet crisis would be less awkward. Cheers, Number 57 22:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Eurasian Economic Union[edit]

The Eurasian Economic Union will launch on January 1 2015 with 5 member states and candidates planning to the join in the future. We're looking for someone that can assess the article so that we can get it ranked as a good article before January 1. We're currently working to make it fit the featured article criteria. If someone could assess the article it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers —Mentoroso (talk) 00:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC) (people that can improve the prose and comprehensiveness of the article are also very welcome)

Podemos[edit]

The usage of Podemos (political party) and naming of Podemos (Spanish political party) is under discussion, see talk: Podemos (Spanish political party) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Request for comments at Talk:White supremacy[edit]

There is a request for comments at Talk:White supremacy. It concerns the wording of the opening sentence of the lead. 86.170.130.156 (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Hello everyone!

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Layout of Template:Infobox political party[edit]

At Template talk:Infobox political party#Layout there's currently a proposal to change the layout of the "seats" bars in that template. Personally I don't ave much of an opinion either way and will implement the proposed changes in a week or so if no one objects. Wider community input would be welcome, though. Huon (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Carl Bildt[edit]

The biography of Swedish diplomat and politician Carl Bildt needs checked for its compliance with WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:Due weight, even more than usual BLPs. is a 12:24, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:The Progressives politicians[edit]

Category:The Progressives politicians, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:PEGIDA#Requested move 22 January 2015[edit]

I invite you to an ongoing move discussion; comment there to improve consensus. --George Ho (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

"Table of Nations"[edit]

The usage of the pagename Table of Nations is up for discussion, see talk:Sons of Noah -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 12:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

A Federal/State dispute in the US gets a mention on the Wikipedia Main Page[edit]

At the current time, and for the next eight hours or so, the political dispute is mentioned on the Wikipedia Main Page. Enjoy. N2e (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Secularism[edit]

The article Secularism is about separation of church and state, but Category:Secularism by country also contains a lot on irreligion and humanism. Shouldn't that be removed? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Templates nominated for Deletion: Members of the European Parliament 1999–2004, etc.[edit]

The following templates of interest to this WikiProject have been nominated for deletion:

1. Template:Members of the European Parliament 1999–2004;

2. Template:Members of the European Parliament 2004–2009; and

3. Template:Members of the European Parliament 2009–2014.

Please join the TfD discussion underway @ Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 2#Template:Members of the European Parliament 1999–2004 and voice your opinion there. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War GAR[edit]

Spanish Civil War, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Anotherclown (talk) 07:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)