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Get the STUB out[edit]

While I do not frequent the pro wrestling project a lot I do work almost exclusively on wrestling articles, primarily the Mexican lucha libre related articles. I have been working on expanding existing articles, reducing the number of stub articles listed for the project. Last night I expanded the last true Lucha Libre stub out there but I think it would be awesome if we do a focused effort on expanding all stub articles listed here Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles. Current there are 316 articles (kinda fitting for pro wrestling) but I am sure that this could be reduced great and would be a true improvement of Wikipedia.  MPJ -US  12:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I see many names I don't recognize. We should first go through the 316 to delete all those articles which don't meet notability (WP:GNG) - then focus on expanding the rest. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 05:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
    • No, we should expand them with the available sources that will help establish the notability. The goal of the stub article reduction drive was never to delete content just because it would take some work to improve it instead. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
      • I would like to help, but I don't have the level to expand these articles. However, I think the easy ones are the 9 In Your House, Final Battle 2013, Death Before Dishonor IX. Also, we have some DGUSA events, like DGUSA Open The Northern Gate, DGUSA United: NYC, DGUSA Uprising and Bushido. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Any little thing helps and I think that some of the stubs really should be deleted for not being notable. Not every wrestler needs to be on Wikipedia.  MPJ -US  00:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
    • @MPJ-DK: - about the current PROD-ing, I think we should focus less on historical wrestlers, instead focus on current, American wrestlers, who should get enough coverage online in the Internet age. Historical wrestlers may be notable but with their information offline. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 12:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeah I would agree with that. I have also been reluctant to prod non-American content too. Harder to find English language sources so those may take more time to expand.  MPJ -US  20:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Stuff to merge: probably everything in Category:Fire Pro Wrestling should go in one article. Plus everything in List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling albums. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 13:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Good ideas. I could easily fold the TNA articles into the list article, heck it is already 90% the same.  MPJ -US  20:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @MPJ-DK: - actually I think it should be easier for us to PROD in alphabetical order. So that we can double-check each others' PRODs, and anyone else can also help by checking alphabetically. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 12:33, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Could we hold off on adding more to the deletion queue for a while? It would be nice to have a chance to take a look for sources for some of these articles, but with 16 PRODs and 7 AfDs, it's a bit much at this point. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Looks like an IP did a good job expanding Allan Pinfold. It meets the criteria for a DYK nomination if anyone can come up with a hook by the 29th. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • It was MPJ-DK actually - so he can do a DYK himself. Perhaps the hook can mention the Light Heavyweight Championship and the refereeing after retiring. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Just more proof that editing when exhausted isn't always a great idea. You're correct that it was mostly MPJ-DK. Sorry about that. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I did not even realize I had expanded it that much. MPJ -US  21:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
  • We're down to 275 Stubs, from 316, I think that's a good piece of work - with some prods being deleted soon etc. we'll be looking at 250 or less soon. I got more I want to work on as well, so not just deletion.  MPJ -US  00:10, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm a little confused. How did we get from 316 to 275. Surely not so many have been deleted. So they've been expanded? If so, that's awesome. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 13:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Some were expanded and some were actually not stubs any more so they were simply re-rated without anything else needed.  MPJ -US  20:10, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • All of the PRODs are gone now, and most of the AfDs. I think we're ready for the next wave. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 13:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Well we are down to 251 stub articles now. I have been focusing on expansion more than deletion and I still see some I can definitely expand with very little research and others that I am sure can be expanded - a few deletion subjects here and here but not a ton. Great work and thank you for everyone who's pitched in with this so far.  MPJ -US  22:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Allan Pinfold is currently a featured DYK thanks to the expansion, and we're down to like 225 stub articles and counting.  MPJ -US  04:59, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Great work MPJ-DK, but just saying I can't work on this for until about three weeks from now. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 01:16, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I've been helping, and I helped a couple of years ago during the original stub reduction drive, too. I just expanded Ribera Steakhouse, and I'll probably nominate it for DYK tomorrow. Nikki311 05:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

  • 198 - Boom. *drops Mic and walks away.*  MPJ -US  22:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Category for retired pro wrestlers[edit]

Could we have something like Category:Retired pro wrestlers for pro wrestlers who have not been active in the ring for a certain period of time but who are still alive? Like Edge for example? I don't know if we do this for various careers but I think it would be cool. Ranze (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, but retirement isn't quite so easy to define with wrestlers, as it is with the slightly more on-the-level sports. Reunion indy shows are so common now, it's hard to keep treating them as "one night" or "special" return matches. For every dead '80s wrestler, there's a another stuck in the grey zone. "Semi-retired", we say.
Bobby Eaton (or even El Mongol) can still conceivably whoop any young lion, in this weird game. Not so odd to imagine Edge crawling back into an armory in a few years, after his TV vampire looks turn to dust, and half-assing it the same for a few thousand bucks. That's tempting, and there's no ladder to climb, like a broken-necked boxer would need.
So, in a nutshell, we don't know who's retired. We think we do, but we're marks. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:49, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
But yeah, if we used a certain period of time, we could do the math for sure. What time were you thinking? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:39, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'm thinking four years, in case you wanted to know. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:05, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

PPV buyrate conversion[edit]

This badly needs to be overhauled throughout the project. The PPV pages are all converting buyrate percentages (which we can find easily for all of the PPVs until giving the number of buys became) to the actual total buys (which are more difficult to find) all using the same a conversion rate, which is wildly inaccurate for a huge swath of PPVs from when the PPV universe was much smaller. There needs to be a change to only using the buyrate percentages for the older shows unless you can find a source contemporary to the PPV (most likely TV trade magazines like Broadcasting/Broadcasting and Cable, Electronic Media, etc. or the primary wrestling trade newsletters like Wrestling Observer and Pro Wrestling Torch). Until then, most of the PPV articles will have incorrect total buy info. --Bix (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Categorizing ring announcers[edit]

Please discuss at Talk:List of WWE personnel#Ring announcers - where should they go? starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 06:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)