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Problems with existing lists[edit]

  1. The additions of Eilean Fladday and Eilean Tigh are now fixed courtesy of Finavon, but Eilean Trodday is more problematic. Measured at 42ha from the OS this is the first (and presumably last) occasion when we have come across an island that is not tidal and >40ha. Leave it at 42 ha with explanations, or call it 39 ha to avoid contradicting the assumptions of the main published source?
  2. Fraoch-eilean and Eriska are both inhabited but to date no population numbers are available. Should they not be added to the main list to make the total 99 rather than 97 even if we don't know the actual totals? Ben MacDui 10:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Here's another anomaly. Eileanan Chearabhaigh at grid reference NF866476 is a sort of tidal version of Eileanan Iasgaich. It's easy to see why H-Smith's definition cuts out a lot of complication. It's possible that using our definition it is, from time to time, an island of 40 ha plus, although there is probably no way of knowing without hiring a hot air balloon and hovering over it from time to time. Probably worth an article in due course, but in the absence of positive evidence I don't think it can be included as a single island of >40ha. Ben MacDui 17:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It seems to separate into islands at high water (west: 31 ha; east/; 22 ha.) and join a very watery Benbecula at low water (when the combined area is about 100 ha). Finavon (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I'm assuming you are, in the absence of evidence, not proposing it be added to the area list.... Ben MacDui 14:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Correct. It is essentially part of Benbecula and might deserve a mention there. Finavon (talk) 18:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Mull by any other name[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_December_20#Category:People_from_the_Isle_of_Mull http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_December_20#Category:Mull

are two discussions - one completed - regarding the name of categories to do with Mull SatuSuro 06:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Skye Villages[edit]

FYI: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 25#Category:Skye_Villages (proposed renaming). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Freshwater islands and offshore island lochs[edit]

A very good New Year to all - hope you have a great 2010. In tarting up the List of freshwater islands a few pertinent issues emerge.

  • There are a fair number of such islands not named by the OS, even in the 20 ha range.
  • There are about 15 mainland lochs, 10 rivers and 45 island lochs with named islands, the vast majority of the last being in the Outer Hebrides. Although the average number of islands per island loch is smaller than the mainland, freshwater islands, it turns out, are to a considerable extent an offshore island phenomenon.
  • Lochs on offshore islands have few articles (see new Category:Lochs of Scottish islands) and the source material is not very extensive either. There are islands with numerous large lochs barely mentioned in the island articles.
  • The river island images are colourful and varied, and exist for a good percentage of the islands concerned. So far I have found only one photo of an offshore loch plus island (Finlaggan). Geograph has a few, but the settings are mostly low lying and the locations treeless, which may in part explain the apparent lack of interest in these complex waterscapes.
  • Dunglass Island in the River Conon at NH533546 is over 40 ha. I make it about 60 ha and a second opinion is hereby requested. Ben MacDui 10:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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Clickimin[edit]

I don't think the Broch of Clickimin is the best article to be redirected to. There needs to be another article created for a more exact match. Bo98 (talk) 11:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

What would this cover - its surely just an area of Lerwick? Ben MacDui 11:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Sumburgh - to be or not to be[edit]

I have just had this oddity pointed out to me.

Sumburgh is a disambiguation page pointing to Sumburgh Head and Sumburgh Airport. It also doesn't appear on {{Shetland}}. However... I'm sure there's actually a village of that name - I drove through it yesterday! - & it's definitely named on the OS map. Is this just one of our little lacunae which I can go ahead and fix up, or is there some complicated subtlety about Shetland place-naming I should be alert to? Shimgray | talk | 16:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The settlement is tiny - barely more than a hotel and a farm. I've added it to the dab page although I am not convinced it merits an article. Ben MacDui 11:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Village names[edit]

I have only just noticed that Stein was moved from Stein, Skye to Stein, Isle of Skye some time ago on the grounds that this was consistent with other villages. In fact they Skye villages are about half and half and as far as I can see, and no attempt was made to amend the relevant links. Its my intention to move it back unless there are objections.

I believe that the general convention should be to use "Village name, Island" unless some kind of disambiguation is necessary - which I doubt would often be the case. Ben MacDui 19:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. I've checked over a number of village names, project wide, and there are various anomalies but as the number of articles increase it would be good to avoid random styles being repeated. A conundrum is posed by Carbost. There are two on Skye and Carbost, Loch Harport, Skye and Carbost, Portree, Skye are clumsy but maybe helpful to those unfamiliar with the territory. "Carbost, Loch Harport" and "Carbost, Portree" would be easier to use and remember, but maybe have a less obvious meaning to the uninitiated. Its my guess that they attract pretty low levels of traffic and that the shorter names would work just was well. Ben MacDui 09:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Latter done.

Lord, what a mess[edit]

A Top importance article is currently blanked due to coyvios . See Talk:Lord of the Isles. Ben MacDui 08:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Now resurrected, alebit in truncated form.

Sarah's Island[edit]

Sarah's Island has made an appearance. It is 0.4 ha in size , pretty non-notable and there is no sign of any WP:RS mention of the name. I have left a note on the talk page. Ben MacDui 08:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Islands by population density[edit]

Just added a new table at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Islands by population density. As to date I am the sole author the data should be checked before use - and please note the caveats in the usage section. It would enable a density field in the infobox. Some of the information is quite surprising. Rùm is not the least densely populated island. The most densely populated should be easier to guess, although I thought it might be Bute, which it isn't. I'm amazed by the third in rank and will check this is accurate asap. Ben MacDui 15:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Read all about it[edit]

Uninhabited Islands of Scotland: Rockall, Gruinard Island, St Kilda, Scotland, Staffa, Hirta, Mingulay, Barra Head, Stac an Armin, Ailsa Craig by LLC. What better present for a friend than a paperback edition of - the island articles you wrote on Wikipedia for free - and yours for only £9.93. Ben MacDui 18:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Is it?!--MacRusgail (talk) 17:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Well I can't say for sure as I don't have a copy, but I found myself purchasing something by the same publisher and in the same style on an unrelated theme not long ago and that is what it was. Ben MacDui 18:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Shetland maps[edit]

I think these Shetland maps are a massive improvement, Ben you should be grateful that they actually highlight the island. If anything I'd suggest removing the pin locators and just having a map for them if you are worried about infobox bloating. Dr. Blofeld 18:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the infoboxes should have a standard appearance - the pin map achieves this and shows the overall location. The extra maps are good and show more detail of the island (but at differing scales). They would be better outside the infobox (provided the article is of sufficient length). Finavon (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I tend to agree with Finavon. The maps themselves are excellent and a big improvement on the earlier generation but as a simple infobox locator I prefer the existing as it highlights the area for someone unfamiliar with Scotland, and would tend to seem them as proving more detail in the geography etc. section. Ben MacDui 08:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I'd say that strikes me as a more appropriate way to use them and was my initial intent (the locator being a supplementary map, whilst a location map is used in infobox). A locator map of Balta, Shetland is pretty much useless for instance.
More sensible would be to have location maps for smaller areas (like each island group), and then using an inset to show the location in Scotland in a manner like File:Shetland UK blank map.svg, as this provides more useful locational info: The existing pushpins just show an island in the Shetlands is in the Shetlands, and where the Shetlands are relative to Scotland; a closer map and an inset would show where the island is within the Shetlands and where they are relative to the whole. Larger islands could then use a locator instead of the location as appropriate (would need recoding the template to allow that break).
This could be done by using the Shetlands political map and the locators, but would be better with relief map equivalents (someone with right skills could generate a relief map equivalent to the political one).--Nilfanion (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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Missing Garvelachs[edit]

Has anyone else noticed that the Garvellachs are missing from Google maps, and from the satellite picture?

There's sort of a smudge on the satellite image, but if you zoom in there's no detail, though neighbouring islands are clear. Nor is there a message saying that no image is available at this resolution.

Should something be done about this?

Kognos (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the "heads up", although I generally use the Ordnance Survey maps myself and I fear that in any case we carry little weight with Mr. Google. Ben MacDui 18:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed village article moves[edit]

Proposed move of various village articles in the Outer Hebrides- see Category talk:Villages in the Outer Hebrides. Ben MacDui 16:27, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

In a related discussion that originally began on the above date (or was it 28th?), a proposed move of Category:Villages in Mull is located now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_5#Category:Villages in Mull. Simply south (talk) and their tree 21:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Monro's Hebrides[edit]

Monro's Hebrides is now available via the main navigation box. This has all the islands on Monro's 1549 list and attempts to identify them. There are numerous unidentified ones, and all those who speak English, Scots, Latin and Gaelic should have fun attempting to track them down. The original aim was to make it easier to identify the islands and thus lift Monro's comments and put them in articles and Template:Monro is also provided to assist with this. The larger island names are mostly straightforward, but whilst the descriptions of for example "The Pigmies Ile" and "Senta" are vivid, the modern names are hard to place. Ben MacDui 09:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

No, hadn't seen those, I'll see what I can do. Some are obviously badly parsed Gaelic - 183 for example Naneache is "Eilean nan Each" without any doubt. He's just not recorded the Eilean/Innis bit for some reason. Where do you want comments? Akerbeltz (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I think you've got the gist. Anything longer could go on the talk page. Ben MacDui 19:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've commented on a few, more next time :) This is fun Akerbeltz (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Inhabited Orkney islands[edit]

The insular geography of Orkney never ceases to amaze. It is now nearly two years since the last "discovery" of an inhabited island, but I can now offer two more possibilities.

  • Holm of Grimbister in the Bay of Firth near Finstown is an unlikely contender. It does not have its own article, is not listed by the Census and not counted by H-Smith as it is tidal and c. 20ha and even the name implies pasturage rather than inhabitation. However, step forward Mark Jones, Tory Candidate per SIC nominations. There is more elsewhere on the web on Mr Jones and his working farm. Geograph also provide this and various other images.
    Causeway to the Holm of Grimbister - geograph.org.uk - 1312791.jpg
  • Inner Holm in Stromness harbour is similarly linked to Mainland by a causeway and clearly the location of a des res- although it may be a holiday home.
    Outer and Inner Holm - geograph.org.uk - 1361996.jpg

Ben MacDui 12:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Scottish Gaelic task force[edit]

See new Scottish Gaelic task force. Ben MacDui 10:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Origins of the Ui Imair and Earls of Orkney[edit]

I've dropped an essay into Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Origins of the Uí Ímair and the Earls of Orkney and comments/edits are more than welcome. Some of the reasons it is not (yet) an article are explained on the talk page - I also think it needs some input from those much more familiar with the relevant history than I am. Ben MacDui 15:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

GRO Template[edit]

The much used Occasional Paper No 10: Statistics for Inhabited Islands was moved to a new page by the General Register Office for Scotland a while ago and is generating dead links. Template:GRO10 is now available as a quick fix. Ben MacDui 18:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"Inhabited" and red-linked in Loch Sween[edit]

I doubt Eilean Loain is permanently inhabited although this image is pretty convincing evidence for a summer retreat of some kind. Painting here looks cute, but not too many ghits on an initial trawl. Ben MacDui 08:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Curious. Haswell-Smith (p. 30) seems to think it is inhabited too. Ben MacDui 18:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Contin Island[edit]

Vclaw has unearthed this freshwater island at NH460557. It is c. 20 ha in size, but more interestingly if the OS is correct, it is probably inhabited. No images on Geograph and none that I can see on Commons. Ben MacDui 08:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Contin Island. Ben MacDui 11:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Fuaigh Mòr[edit]

Please see recent edits at Fuaigh Mòr + my talk page comment. Ben MacDui 12:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Corry, Highland[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Corry, Highland#Corriechatachan. -- Trevj (talk) 08:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Scarp parliament[edit]

An editor questioned the workings of this at the talk page of Scarp. Its existence wasn't cited and I can see no sign of a reference to this parliament in Haswell-Smith, Murray (1966) or Thompson (1968) and nor are there any ghits. I have removed reference to it for the time being. Any information gratefully received. Ben MacDui 08:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed template deletions[edit]

Template:Parliament of Scotland former constituency infobox, Template:Infobox Scotland council area and Template:Infobox Scottish island have been proposed for deletion. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 28. Ben MacDui 18:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Scottish island is still under discussion. Ben MacDui 19:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Voted to keep it. Ridiculous to delete it. Highly useful, and also has some essential parameters not in island box.--MacRùsgail (talk) 20:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Census results[edit]

The statistics from the 2011 census are now available as a pdf at - Statistical Bulletin: 2011 Census: First Results on Population and Household Estimates for Scotland - Release 1C (Part Two).

I have created Template:NRS1C as a successor to Template:GRO10 to use as a reference. See also BBC report "Scotland's 2011 census: Island living on the rise".

The tasks are:


Any assistance gratefully received - especially with the third once the new table is done. Ben MacDui 09:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Quite a few interesting changes - three new inhabited islands and several islands that did not have residents on 2011 census day but are apparently classified as "inhabited" for official purposes. Ben MacDui 09:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I am working on the 4 red links that the census has created and I can't find any a "meaning" for Eilean dà Mhèinn. Island of the mine? Translations and references gratefully received. Ben MacDui 19:25, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Two Mine Island or Island of Two Mines assuming the spelling is correct. I'm not watching many articles on the English wiki anymore, Ben, but you can always ask on my talk page if you need help with Gaelic. Akerbeltz (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Go raibh maith agat. Ben MacDui 09:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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The data still needs the attention of local editors:

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ScotWiki Mailing List[edit]

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Three little stubs needing improvement[edit]

After stub-sorting current headliner Erraid Davies and doing a bit of work on her article, I felt inspired to create Delting (as "Delting Dolphins Swimming Club" got a mention and was a red link), and from that I went on to create Voe, Shetland and Voe, Northmavine, to disambiguate the two "Voes" at List_of_United_Kingdom_locations:_V#Vo and add them to the dab page at Voe (as one does, when there are more important jobs one ought to be getting on with!) But I'm no local expert, so I hope that someone more knowledgeable about Shetland will build them a bit further. (Well, the minor Voe seems from the map to be a single house, so there may not be a lot to say about it...!) Over to you lot. I'm not even sure I've named them appropriately, but it's better than just two redlinked "Voe"s. PamD 18:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Delting was a serious omission, and the larger Voe is clearly a genuine settlement. I wouldn't have bothered with the second one myself - its clearly tiny - but no matter. The great machine has room to absorb it! Ben MacDui 17:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

3000 up[edit]

The 3,000th article assessed by this project was Finn-men created by User:Jamesx12345, so many thanks to him and indeed everyone involved in creating and assessing these articles. Ben MacDui 20:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)