Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Populated Islands
Do you want me to add South Walls? Finavon 11:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Innischonan or Innis Chonain
OS and GRO differ on the populated island in L Awe. Which are we going with? I favour OS. Finavon 00:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Innis Chonain - for me. Grammatically correct. --MacRusgail 21:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Islands with low populations
Can some folk help me out, I have been trying to add Scottish entries to - List of places with fewer than ten residents, but the table format they use is a nightmare to edit (at least for me). Also, some of the US states and Canadian provinces are listed, Scotland itself isn't. --MacRusgail 21:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed the formatting is a hybrid and difficult to use. I have tidied what is there, taking the main division as UK and secondary as appropriate. Finavon 21:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you Finavon, very helpful... --MacRusgail 00:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Rona's population halves
Forewick Holm now has a population of 1 (and arguably no longer Scottish having declared independence). We clearly can't be amending population data all the time, but I think we need to add it to the list as it was previously uninhabited. The infobox will need tweaking too. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 10:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I live on Ulva and would like to contribute to the information. Can anyone tell me how i can update the population? For the past couple of years there have been only 10 people living here, not 16 as shown. Many thanks Rebecca Munro, Ulva —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Rebecca - first of all, congratulations on your excellent choice for a residence. The difficulty with the infobox information is that if we don't use a consistent measure for the many inhabited islands, things start to get complicated. There is however no reason not to have a sentence in the main text along the lines of "The population as recorded in the 2001 census was x but since 2005 has now fallen to y". The complication is that Wikipedia's Verifiability criteria mean that we can't just take your word for it. If you could point to a website, newspaper article (or even a letter to a newspaper) that would confirm this we can proceed. Regards, Ben MacDui 12:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
From main talk page: Fraoch-eilean and Eriska are both inhabited but to date no population numbers are available. Should they not be added to the main list to make the total 99 rather than 97 even if we don't know the actual totals? South Walls would be a precedent of some kind. Ben MacDui 15:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have been adding "No estimate available" to the infobox of islands with very small populations not listed by the Census and where there is clear evidence of permanent inhabitation adding them to the total that appears in the infobox. With Holm of Grimbister that now makes 100. Ben MacDui 17:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
As far as changes to the number of islands in the list are concerned, we currently have on the table:
- 101 entries, 5 with estimates (South Walls, Holm of Grimbister, Eriska, Fraoch-eilean and Contin Island).
The census changes are.
- 93 inhabited islands.
- There are 7 islands no longer inhabited: Papa Stronsay, Lunga , Davaar , Eilean Ban, Inchcolm, Eilean Donan , Sanda.
- Of the five estimates, Holm of Grimbister is now added as inhabited, the remaining 4 are ignored by the list.
- There are 4 new inhabited islands: Eilean Tioram, Holm of Grimbister, Eilean da Mheinn, and Inner Holm. The last of these they admit to including in Mainland Orkney in 2001.
In other words we had 96 + 5 and we now have 96-7+4=93, plus 5-1=4 in total, plus they list another 10 which are "inhabited islands but had no usual residents at the time of either the 2001 or 2011 censuses": Caisteal Chiosmuil, Castle Stalker, Eilean Horrisdale, Eilean Loain, Eilean na Cille, Ensay, Inch Kenneth, Inchlonaig, Inchruin, Lamb Holm.
In order to keep things simple I think we should add the 'no estimates' to the 'occasional habitation'. It is hard to know what logic they are using. They seem to have co-incidentally caught up with Inner Holm, Holm of Grimbister, and Eilean Loain but ignored our other estimates. Eriska is clearly inhabited regularly, but it is not even on the occasional list. They may be excluding smaller bridged islands.
Arguably there are now 93 inhabited, 10 occasionally inhabited and 4 for which no estimate is available i.e. 93 plus 14 = 107 altogether. We may need a standard note in the Infobox (assuming it isn't deprecated).
- Red Links: Eilean dà Mhèinn (in Loch Crinan), Inner Holm, Eilean Loain, Eilean na Cille (surely off Grimsay, South East Benbecula rather than off Island Macaskin) (it is clearly bridged, and clearly has fewer inhabitants than Fraoch-eilean). 'Inchruin' is presumably Inchcruin. Ben MacDui 13:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Having revised the table it seems clear that the NRoS are including the seven no longer inhabited islands in their "occasional" category. This gives an absolute total of 93 inhabited, 17 occasionally inhabited and 4 for which no estimate is available i.e. 93 plus 21 = 114 altogether. Ben MacDui 16:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)