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Ship flags[edit]

Ohconfucius (contribs) seems to have a vendetta against the use of flags in articles. He's been removing flags from aircrash articles and now from ship articles. I've asked him to cease and desist from such action, but there are many articles that need to be restored to their former state. These can be identified by the legend "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason" in the edit summary. Mjroots (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

RMS Empress of Britain (1931)[edit]

RMS Empress of Britain (1931) is currently dabbed by her year of maiden voyage, rather than her year of launch. Could an admin move it to RMS Empress of Britain (1930), per WP:NCSHIPS, as a redirect with history is blocking the move. Benea (talk) 12:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

You mean you're not an admin, Benea? Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Mjroots (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Shocking isn't it...if only I was, then I wouldn't have to keep bothering you. :) Talking of which, here's another, RMS Empress of India (1891) - should be RMS Empress of India (1890) - per WP:NCSHIPS. When some of these articles were being written it seems that there was an unofficial practice by the creator to dab by year of maiden voyage. Benea (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Mjroots (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah, Mjroots! I have a question for you then on Talk:Ocean ship about numbers built. Solid sources note 60 yet you apparently had reason to change that to 57 years ago. I looked at your page and didn't see activity of late so was "fishing" there. That Ocean ship subject is outside my recent interests but when I began hitting pieces on the group, knowing they were the models for the Liberties, I got distracted (easy to do reading a whole journal series in search of something else and running across little features like A Vanguard is Launched) and will spend a bit of time with them. Also, suggest a move of that article from "Ocean ship" that likely to some just means oceangoing ship to something like "Ocean type ship" or some such. Thoughts on title? Perhaps you could answer on the article's Talk page. Palmeira (talk) 16:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Replied there. Mjroots (talk) 21:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Having looked back through the Talk archive of WP:NCSHIPS, it's clear that dab discussion is dominated by warship considerations, with hardly a mention of merchant ships. For the latter, the launch year is rarely used as a descriptor in written sources and is often hard to find or is even unknown; year of completion/entry into service is virtually always known and in my experience very much more widely used. Staying with the example in hand, the sources I have to hand - Musk, Lloyd's Register, Hocking - all show RMS Empress of Britain (1930) as a 1931 ship and I would be very surprised if any of the cited sources characterise her as a 1930 ship. To me, the launch year defies both logic and common usage. Davidships (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Reviewers, please![edit]

Hi all, I know the Featured List process is a little more obscure than its Featured Article counterpart, but List of cruisers of Germany has been up for review for over a month now and has garnered a whopping 0 reviews. If you could spend a few minutes to review the list against the FL Criteria, I'd be very grateful. Thanks much. Parsecboy (talk) 15:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Template problem[edit]

At the top of MS Wissenschaft, there is currently an erroneous NO TITLE]] statement that seems to originate from the infobox template, but I could not figure out how to fix this. Thanks for any pointers or patches. -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 23:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by removing the unnecessary {{italic title}} template.
Trappist the monk (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Images related to National Defense Reserve Fleet[edit]

A lot of ships plans related to National Defense Reserve Fleet were uploaded as part of US historical places survey. I moved them to commons:Category:Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet. Files definitely needs better per ship categorization. They could be definitely used in articles. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Rhino ferry, used at Normandy[edit]

I've been asked to help expand this article, but I'm in the middle of a move and have absolutely no time to do so. Would any of the good topic experts here be able to lend a hand? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Blue Star Line mystery ship[edit]

Is this the 1935 ship Australia Star, or one of her post-war sisters?

In 2011 the State Library of Queensland donated 50,000 photos to Wikimedia Commons, including I think about 3,000 black and white photos of ships. There was a request to categorise them, but many have still not been properly categorised.

I have just categorised all the Blue Star Line ship photos I can find, but there is one that stumps me. Its library caption says it is Australia Star, which was an Imperial Star-class ship that Harland and Wolff built in 1935. But the name on her bow is invisible, and to me she looks like one of three replacement ships of the class that H&W built in 1946–47 to replace some of Blue Star's losses.

Post-war members of the Imperial Star class had a different bridge, masts and somewhat different superstructure. Compare this photo with those of Australia Star on the Blue Star on the Web site. I have found no evidence of Australia Star ever being modernised to loook like her 1946–47 sister ships.

I think I am right in deducing the photo is not Australia Star. But if so, what ship is she? Am I right in supposing she is either Empire Star (1946), Imperial Star (1947) or Melbourne Star (1947)? And if so, which of the three is she?

It's not a very sharp photo. If Commons had other photos of Australia Star, and photos of all three post-War Imperial Star-class sisters, it wouldn't matter. But it doesn't. Please will a contributor with a sharp eye for detail help to identify this ship?

Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 13:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Motacilla: - I've asked those nice folks over at the Ships Nostalgia forum for assistance. Mjroots (talk) 21:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The name on the hull, while very blurry, looks very much like Melbourne Star. Just my observation. Huntster (t @ c) 12:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I've looked at the image, and the original, and can't make out a name at all. Mjroots (talk) 09:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
As with Huntster, it looks more like Melbourne Star to me (on the black hull) - I've enhanced it a little on the SN page. Also, the bridge front matches the post-war vessel, not the earlier one. Davidships (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Concur. Looking at the Commons version, the first letters are M(possible),EL(probable), the second word is plausibly STAR and the word lengths fit. Dankarl (talk) 02:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Consensus at Ships Nostalgia is that it's Melbourne Star. Mjroots (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Hemmema at FAC[edit]

I recently nominated hemmema as a FAC. Since the article is included in the scope of this project, I'm posting a notification here. If you have time to spare, please drop by with feedback and criticial comments.

sincerely,
Peter Isotalo 07:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)