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NEW BUILDING - 885 Sixth Ave, New York, NY[edit]

NEW BUILDING - The Continental 885 6th Avenue New York City NY United States

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=69708http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=69708 http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/10/20/tower_111_with_a_new_name_about_to_start_leasing.php

Status: built Construction Dates

 Began 2009 
 Finished 2011 

Floor Count 47

 Building Uses 
- mixed use 
- office 
- residential 
- retail 

Structural Types

- highrise 

Architectural Style

- modern 

Materials

- glass 
- concrete 

Heights Value Source / Comments

Roof  169.0 m  CTBUH  

Description Architect of Record: Costas Kondylis & Partners Design Architect: Goldstein Hill & West Architects


>>> The Continental, New 53-Story Costas Kondylis-Designed Sixth Avenue Luxury Rental Tower with Indoor Pool & Spa, Begins Leasing

NEW YORK (Jan. 6, 2010) – The Continental, the new Costas Kondylis & Partners-designed, 53-story, 338-unit luxury rental tower located at 885 Sixth Ave. begins leasing Fri., Jan. 14, with move-ins anticipated for February.

Developed by Tower 111, LLC and situated on the corner of Sixth Avenue and 32nd Street, The Continental offers studio, one-bedroom, one-bedroom with home office, and two-bedroom apartments starting on the 9th floor. The building’s lobby, amenity spaces and garage, as well as premier retail space may be found on the lower floors. Monthly rental prices range from approximately $2,550 to more than $6,110.

Upon move-in, residents will enjoy the exclusive Continental Club & Spa, featuring a 50-foot indoor infinity-edge lap swimming pool with heated hydrotherapy spa, set within a double-height, glass-enclosed atrium and extending onto a beautifully landscaped sun terrace furnished with lounge chairs. A health club with a fitness and cardio center, yoga studio, his-and-hers locker rooms and his-and-hers treatment rooms, will also be available to residents.

The Club’s lounge with fireplace opens onto a landscaped terrace with seating and dining areas, and there is a fully equipped catering kitchen for residents to easily host private social events. The Wi-Fi-enabled space also features a gaming lounge with billiards and LCD displays. On the 48th floor, there is another sundeck and outdoor terrace lounge. Additional amenities and services include a 24-hour doorman, concierge service, BuildingLink, on-site valet services, on-site parking, and bicycle storage.

“The Continental’s location, views, floor plans and unique amenities all have contributed to the buzz and interest from renters we are already seeing in this tower,” said Cliff Finn, managing director of new development marketing for Citi Habitats Marketing Group, the exclusive marketing and leasing agent for The Continental. “The building is an impressive addition to the Sixth Avenue corridor and surrounding neighborhood, which is burgeoning with new food destinations like Eataly, Bar Basque and Food Parc, hotels such as the Eventi and Gansevoort, shopping and nightlife.”

The tower’s state-of-the-art lobby features exclusively designed custom furnishings by Capri Furniture, Christopher Guy and J. Robert Scott. Apartments boast floor-to-ceiling tinted windows, ceilings as high as 10 feet, white oak flooring throughout and Asko washers and dryers in every residence.

Kitchens have Florenza porcelain tile flooring, wood-grain cabinetry with stainless steel hardware, concealed full-extension silent self-closing drawers and quartz countertops and backsplashes. The stainless steel appliance suite includes a gas-range stove, microwave and dishwasher and Fisher Paykel refrigerator with in-door water dispenser.

Baths at The Continental offer Verdana porcelain tile floors, polished marble vanity countertops, recessed medicine cabinets with mirrored doors, Kohler bathtubs and polished chrome fixtures by Moen to create a clean spa-like setting.

Steps from restaurants, shopping, nightlife and culture, The Continental is also conveniently located near major transportation hubs like Penn Station and Port Authority, as well as near multiple bus and subway lines, including the 1, 6, B, D, F, M, N, R, and W, and the PATH.

For more information, to speak with a leasing agent or to schedule a tour of the model apartments and amenity spaces at The Continental, please visit www.thecontinental.com or call 212.695.3232. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.248.219.56 (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Complexe Desjardins[edit]

There is a disagreement over having a building infobox at Complexe Desjardins, can someone provide additional input? 64.229.101.119 (talk) 01:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Beekman Tower vs. 8 Spruce Street[edit]

Input from this project is requested here for a requested move discussion about the proper name for the article on this building. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Central America[edit]

The list of tallest buildings in Central America does not include any buildings in Panama City. The article defines Central America by listing several nations located there, but it omits both Panama and Belize. Yet a separate Wiki article on Central America clearly states that Panama and Belize are in fact part of Central America. Someone needs to decide which nations actually belong to Central America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.227.118 (talk) 06:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but there appears to be no List of tallest buildings in Central America article, nor is a similarly named list mentioned in Category:Lists of tallest buildings or any of the sub-categories. There is however a List of tallest buildings in Panama City. It would be helpful if you tell us which article you mean by providing a link here; or you can edit it yourself (in which case please be sure to add [[Category:Lists of tallest buildings|Central America]] to the article). Astronaut (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Update needed at List of tallest buildings in Philadelphia[edit]

Hey everyone. Over at List of tallest buildings in Philadelphia, a featured list, there's a highly outdated section located here. Could anyone with a strong knowledge of the subject help update this section? Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 06:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

height of Taipei 101[edit]

Hello. I already asked on article's discussion page, but no answer since 19th May. Taipei 101 article refers solely to the building's emporis page for its height (509.2 m). But numerous other webpages refer to it as being 508 meters tall (bbc article, (French) lemoniteur.fr article ...). I don't think emporis height should be the only one to be used in the article. Kind regards. Freewol (talk) 08:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Answered at Talk:Taipei 101#height. Astronaut (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Chicago[edit]

There was unexplained editorial activity at List of tallest buildings in Chicago this week. Floul4 (talk · contribs) moved the John Hancock Center ahead of Aon Center (Chicago) and Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) with this edit. I have reverted it because I think he was just adding antena length to a personal favorite.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

If this project is still active, the Chicago list needs an update.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Bloomberg Tower[edit]

I have been working to expand the Bloomberg Tower article from Stub status (draft saved here in my Sandbox) and would appreciate input from other editors before I move forward with any changes. I have tried to improve the article by including more information about the history and construction of the tower along with details about the Bloomberg L.P. offices. I have also rewritten sections with bulleted lists into prose paragraphs and added citations throughout. In the interest of full disclosure, I am affiliated with Bloomberg L.P., as I have explained here on the WP:COIN. Please let me know if you have any suggestions and I look forward to your feedback to improve the article further. Thanks! Ordwayen (talk) 18:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Input needed at RfC on Pingan skyscraper[edit]

Input is needed at RfC on Pingan skyscraper, at Talk page here. Issues involve whether or not skyscraper has started, or is halted, and WP:Crystal ball (are future skyscrapers entitled to articles)? --Noleander (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Active or inactive[edit]

Is this project active or inactive? Looking at the project page, it seems that this page might have been inactive since 2009.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. People occasionally add themselves to the participants list, but no one seems bothered to answer my questions here and I suspect the article quality info has never been updated. Out of those I might consider the founders of the project, Hydrogen Iodide (talk · contribs) hasn't edited since early 2009, and Sahmeditor (talk · contribs) has only about a dozen edits this year (all on non-skyscraper stuff), but Raime (talk · contribs) was still quite active up until a couple of months ago. Astronaut (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Reliable resources?[edit]

The project's page lists resources. Are these considered reliable for wikipedia articles on skyscrapers? My question is motivated by the TFL nomination of List of tallest structures in Tokyo and particularly I am wondering about emporis.com and skyscraperpage.com. bamse (talk) 11:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The strongest sources are the CTBUH database, the Skyscraperpage diagrams section(not the forums) and Emporis. Emporis and CTBUH are contributed to by people in the construction industry, and the Skyscraperpage diagrams section has strict editorial control. The forums themselves (skyscrapercity and skyscraperpage)are not reliable sources since they amount to hearsay, but they do often lead to reliable news articles and other official materials. The skyscraper Wiki should not be considered a reliable source.Scalzi+ | (Talk | contribs) 16:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Will link to it in the TFL nomination. Maybe something like the above could be added to the Resources section!? 17:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
One more question, what about the database section? Reliabele or not reliable? bamse (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The database section has the same information as the diagram section, just presented differently. So yes, it's reliable. Scalzi+ | (Talk | contribs) 04:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. bamse (talk) 06:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree with CTBUH as the best source, i am using it, if the numbers are conflicting. As second tier Emporis and Structurae; SkyscraperPage as not entirely reliable, only if previous three are not including th building. --Jklamo (talk) 13:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

WTC 7 RfC[edit]

I have submitted a request for comment on a subject of interest to this WikiProject. Please feel free to provide your input on the issue.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Dubai[edit]

I have nominated List of tallest buildings in Dubai for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

This project needs its own Barnstar. I haven't seen one for this project yet Zonafan39 (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings and structures in Salford at WP:FLRC[edit]

I have nominated List of tallest buildings and structures in Salford for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Expert needed: Mandarin Oriental, Atlanta / Mandarin Oriental Atlanta[edit]

These two articles discuss almost identically named skyscrapers on the same street - one built, one proposed. I'd suspect the proposed but never constructed tower 'became' the built one but the dates seem wrong. Can an expert have a look and either merge or clearly disambiguate the two please? - TB (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Does this list from the CTBUH help? Astronaut (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Mandarin Oriental, Atlanta matches this one, whereas Mandarin Oriental Atlanta looks like this. If they are indeed two separate buildings on the same street in the same city with the same name, there has to be a reason. Rival developers trying to annoy each other perhaps? - TB (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

FLRC[edit]

I have nominated List of tallest buildings in Toronto for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBrandley (talkcontribs) 04:54, 17 November 2012‎

King's Reach Tower[edit]

I see King's Reach Tower has been rebranded South Bank Tower and there are some more details on what the developer CIT are planning for the tower. Maybe the wiki for King's Reach Tower can be changed to South Bank Tower? (http://www.propertyweek.com/news/news-by-region/london/king%E2%80%99s-reach-reborn-as-south-bank-tower/5051083.article & http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/6668) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.117.14 (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Redundant India pages?[edit]

I came along looking for something else and noticed that there seems to be a lot of redundancy in these articles:

and all of the detailed city ones:

This redundancy is going to be a nightmare to keep maintained. Surely there's a way to have the info in only one place, or at most, 2? For instance, List of tallest buildings in different cities in India could just be replaced by links to each of the city pages. And then the repeated list of ALL the see alsos to all of the cities on each page could just be replaced by one link to the consolidated list. Just my thoughts. Elf | Talk 20:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree. There does seem to be a lot of repetition here. List of tallest buildings in different cities in India seems totally redundant because the List of tallest buildings in India allows you to sort by city. While there is more detail in the individual city lists, it is once again repeating information available in List of tallest buildings in India and adding a bit (presumably to keep that main list to a manageable size) yet creating the maintenance headache you mention. Another problem is the sourcing. I haven't looked in detail (or at all for that matter) but Wikipedia relies on reliable sources. They do not include forums such as the popular skyscrapercity.com, flickr, sales hyperbole on real estate sites, or simply walking round a city claiming "...it must exist with the details I've added because I walked past a building site last week". It would be worthwhile checking the sources used for things like List of tallest buildings in Lucknow (yep, some of it is skyscrapercity.com again!) On the other hand, the CTBUH is reliable and I would suggest other sites like Emporis and Structurae as nearly as reliable.
You could propose some of them for deletion or create a set of merge discussions, but be aware that many of these lists have been created by the same editor who could well cry how is this different from a List of tallest buildings in New York City with its list of other cities in the 'See also' section. Astronaut (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

World Trade Center[edit]

World Trade Center, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Reliable Resources 2[edit]

Right now I'm trying to get the List of tallest buildings in Milwaukee to featured status, and in doing so, I have found conflicting info from Emporis and Skyscraperpage.com. My question is, which one should I go with? Zonafan39 (talk) 04:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I find the CTBUH website a more useful resource (though it can be a little slow to update at times). Other sites, including Emporis can also be slow to update if something about a project changes. If several sites say there are 48 floors and one says 50, 48 might be the better choice of an encyclopedia article; or you could investigate the reason for the difference (maybe the 50 includes mezzanine or basement floors which would make something you could mention in the article citing both sources). Astronaut (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of notability standards for large construction projects at WT:N[edit]

I am attempting to start a conversation (perhaps this is a de facto RfC) about notability and sourcing standards for large construction projects over at the talk page for the notability policy. I would appreciate additional input over there. -- UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ]# ▄ 22:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) floor count[edit]

Recently someone has been changing the floor count at Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) and List of tallest buildings in Chicago for the Trump building. I am not sure what the issue is. Can someone see that this gets cited correctly.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:19, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Tallest[edit]

See [1] which discusses an "official" US body for these height issues? Is that what we follow, or has criteria been/not been decided? Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

See also [2] [3] discussing November meeting and the issues. Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:24, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat is considered a reliable source and is referenced in many tall building articles. For One World Trade Center, the article currently uses the CTBUH figures. The issue of 'vanity height' is what will be discussed by the CTBUH in November, and could result in the official height of 1WTC changing. If that happens, it will be reflected on their website and will probably be reflected in our article as well. Pretty much the same happened with Burj Khalifa. Astronaut (talk) 11:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. For the WTC, the issue appears to be, in part, that although it is "topped out" it is not yet "completed" (liscenced for occupancy?) according to the CTBUH. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:07, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
The way this worked with Burj Khalifa was that during construction most reliable sources said the design was to be 818 m tall, although there was speculation in unreliable sources of heights between 700 m and 950 m. It was listed in 'under construction' lists at 818 m. Construction topped out in October 2009 and it was listed at #1 in List of tallest buildings in the world at 818 m; until that time it could only be considered a structure, not a building. When Burj Khalifa had its official opening in January 2010, the height was announced to be 828 m, all the articles had to be changed since reliable sources were now saying 828 m. A short while (2 months?) later, the CTBUH finally ratified their figures and included a 1.8 m tall antenna on the top of the spire. This leads to the figures which currently appearing in the Burj Khalifa and other articles.
I noticed the issue of spire or antenna is covered in One World Trade Center#Height. In my opinion, it would be sad if the CTBUH rules that it is an antenna and not a spire because it would remove the symbolic height of 1776 ft from the official record. However, the rules exist for a reason - to discourage building owners from erecting ever taller antennas in an attempt to reclaim a title lost to rival buildings. Such shinannagans are covered in Willis Tower#Height and more of this reasoning is covered in Petronas Towers#Comparison with other towers. Astronaut (talk) 12:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, the CTBUH duly met and decided the structure topping One World Trade Center was a spire. This was announced at a press conference, yesterday in Chicago, and reported by many reliable sources including the BBC. The building therefore gets to keep its significant height of 1776 feet. Astronaut (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Tallest residential building or tallest apartment building[edit]

One57 is claiming to be the worlds tallest residential building in an article with a title suggesting it is merely the tallest apartment building. It is not taller than Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) and other supertall residential buildings. What is going on?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Tallest buildings in a region[edit]

If a city doesn't have enough notable buildings, could a page be created for a region or state? Such as South Dakota or Upper Peninsula of Michigan? Dermoid (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

List of tallest residential buildings in the world[edit]

I have nominated List of tallest residential buildings in the world for "Featured List" status. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. I would like to have your valuable contributions in this article. I would request all members of "Skyscraper Project" to improve this article by thoroughly reviewing its content, images, references, prose, additions / deletions (If required and desired). Nabil rais2008 (talk) 18:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Vancouver at WP:FLRC[edit]

List of tallest buildings in Vancouver has been nominated for demotion at WP:FLRC. It would be helpful if people at this project weighed in to help prevent the featured status being removed. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Merger RfC[edit]

This is a request for additional input regarding: V on Shenton be merged into UIC Building (>>>discuss<<<). Please feel free to add your input. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 19:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings at Monterrey[edit]

A recent edit at List of tallest buildings at Monterrey changed the height of Torre Sofia from 525 feet to 492.126 feet (and the next edit changed that to just 492). The edit broke the {{convert}} template. Should the edit be reverted or cleaned up? Johnuniq (talk) 06:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Normally I would say fix the edit so the template works (ie. put a "|" in the right place). However, I can find no evidence in the usual reliable sources (CTBUH or Emporis) that the Torre Sofia has any height planned or that it even exists. This includes the only source used in the article (skyscraperpage). That whole list has a number of problems with it: Sourcing from reliable sources is just one of them. The under construction list should list metres first. There is still evidence of untranslated Spanish (eg. "23 y 20"). The introduction to the first list says equal height has a "=" in the rank column, but that is not the case. Astronaut (talk) 10:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
And I moved the whole article to the more grammatically correct List of tallest buildings in Monterrey. The "at" is not correct in English. Astronaut (talk) 10:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that it was a bit of a mess, and I could see that papering-over the convert problem was not a good idea. Some quick Googling failed to find sources for several buildings, and I wondered if some rule of thumb was being used to guess the height from the number of stories (which is more readily confirmed). It looks as if quite a lot of the article is unverifiable. Johnuniq (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Pittsburgh[edit]

I was cleaning up List of tallest buildings in Pittsburgh as it is a featured list but had suffered from a large amount of additions to the page since it passed. The editor that made these additions is dead set on keeping then even though they do not conform with the projects explanation of what should be in a tallest building list as outlined here. It is currently only he and I discussing it on the talk page. Could other editors please chime in?--Found5dollar (talk) 00:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

FLRC List of tallest buildings in Miami[edit]

Just a notification of this:

Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of tallest buildings in Miami/archive1

B137 (talk) 19:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Must every building on a "tallest buildings in X" list have its own article to be included on the list?[edit]

At Talk:List of tallest buildings in Cyprus, an editor has taken the position that no building may be listed on a list of tallest buildings unless the building is "notable enough on their own to warrant them having their own page". [4] Is there any such rule? --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

There is no such rule, but to reqire two reliable independent sources for building without own article is legitimate. --Jklamo (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Lists of 'tallest buildings in X' exist usually to show comparative heights. There is no sense in missing something off the list if the list can be independently sourced.
However, on some lists there is a rule that an article must exist before it can be added to the list. But those list are usually just a list of articles. Lists of buildings usually have some ranking criteria and leaving out one item because it doesn't have an article seems to me to be unhelpful to the reader. Of course, there could be items on that list, that might not themselves be notable. For example, a building called Marina 106 started construction in Dubai and while it is very tall, it was not considered notable and its fledgling article was deleted. However, deleting it from List of tallest buildings in Dubai#On-hold, or List of tallest buildings in the world#Skyscrapers on-hold makes no sense at all. Astronaut (talk) 16:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)