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Wikipedia in local news[edit]

Assessment[edit]

Tons of South African articles need to be assessed at Category:Unassessed South Africa articles. Any assistance here will be appreciated. Nathan121212 (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Are there currently any expanded guidelines on article importance for our wikiproject? If not I think it would be great to draw this up (especially with a South African context) as currently many of the article importance "rankings" seem very random Jacobmacmillan (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

POV balancing at Boerehaat (hatred of Boers)[edit]

This draft at AFC looked very interesting, and a glance at GoogleBooks shows the term Boerehaat has been used since at least the 1970s, and the concept is "a thing" (whether accurately applied or no). So on those grounds I approved it for publication, but I have concerns that the article may muddle the issues of genuine xenophobia to the Boer, versus legitimate socio-political critique of Boer society. Further, the article broadly describes anti-Boer opinions, but needs to stick more closely to specifically that which is labeled Boerehaat. Can someone take a squint and see how we can best ensure Neutrality on this new article? MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and any other issues considered. Let us know if and when it'd be ready for acceptance. Cheers, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
In order to hate something, there must be a reason. The article will need to discuss the origin of this "hate". I don't believe it does that at the moment. Conlinp (talk) 03:34, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I removed a lot of unsourced original research and wikified it somewhat. I will try find some reliable sources to flesh it out. My impression is that it is primarily the sort of propaganda promoted by right-wing Afrikaner nationalists such as those in the Front Nasionaal political party. I previously came across quite a bit of unsourced material on Wikipedia promoting an imaginary contemporary English-Afrikaans antagonism, which to my horror foreign journalists were repeating without question, and have cleaned some of it up. White-black antagonism is more complex in practice, but in my opinon it does not justify the alleged Afrikaner persecution painted in some places such as this article. HelenOnline 12:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion (unless I can find a source for it), the term is used as a form of race cardism. HelenOnline 12:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I have addressed the issues to the best of my ability. I would prefer if someone else removed the tags (if they are satisfied that the issues have been addressed). HelenOnline 08:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I went ahead and removed the tags myself. If anyone objects, please let me know. HelenOnline 08:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
This page still needs lots of work. to be npov it requires lots of additional history,it needs to reflect that "boers" was a derogatory way of referencing citizens of ZAR and Orange Free State, later, during apartheid, the SA Police were often referred to as "boere", today criminals still refer to Cops as "boere" it needs quotes and remarks from royalty, rhodes, etc. needs the "boors", dumb dutchmen and "original" hatred of boers. it needs to reflect that farmers are/were occupying land that previously was simply taken in 1913 and that these farmers (or boere) were hated by the communities so displaced. There is so much confusion about who and what boere is, and there is little or no specific academic research, except that research that refers to the various times, and the various names... Anyway, boerhaat could refer to criminals hating the cops, it could refer to general SA people hating the so called "boere" fringe political groupings, it could refer to the hatred that the British felt for the citizens of the ZAR and Free State at that time and that the word, in reference to the Britsh press of the late 19th century, is used to dehumanize these dumb boorish people. It could refer to hatred of boere during apartheid, it is a very under researched term, well depends if you count the saiir papers. Then there are the very real numbers in terms of statistics, the number per 1000 of farmers murdered violently in SA is many times the number of mineworkers per thousand, or any other class of worker in SA, by default making it one of the most dangerous occupations in our country - something which is not popular to say. So, what boerehaat is exactly, well that page does not reflect all this, and it is a pov/npov quagmire which frankly scares me too much to get involved in right now Zarpboer (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for reading it. Please don't confuse the article with the Boer article, it is specifically about the term Boerehaat, or the "hatred of the Boers". I bent over backwards to find reliable sources online for this, if you have others that would be great. HelenOnline 05:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
BTW I have listed the article at GAN in an attempt to get it reviewed and assessed for POV among other things. HelenOnline 06:58, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
@HelenOnline Your edit is a great improvement on the tripe that was there, and I specifically like how you balanced the POV about zar citizens with the liberal uk view, that was very well done! - It does need some additional meat though, just so that it more completely reflects the period, I am thinking about the Queen, Rhodes and maybe some of the others, more specifically where there is hate speech, (rhodes, etc) and then to balance that again with the cape dutch view or what else? Then also, to add a section about the SA Police, as very frequently, they are addressed as such and their 'boerehaat' means again something else, i am sorry that i am too cowardly to edit there :) but you are doing such a rocking job yourself anyway Zarpboer (talk) 07:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Zarpboer I have exhausted all the resources I could find, there is nothing more I can add. For me to add anything else without a reliable source would amount to original research which is not allowed here. I am even treading a very fine line adding the Malema hate speech trial and Ramaphosa comments, as the Boerehaat term was not explicity used there, only related concepts (in reliable sources anyway, and the PRAAG website among others does not count unless we are explicity attributing opinions to individuals such as Dan Roodt). HelenOnline 07:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Rhodes views on the "kaffirs and boers" is fairly clear: "I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings" (in his '77 speech - *secret society* - the original doc is around somewhere on the interwebs (i think - i have a verified copy of the original as well, also somewhere *sigh*), (of course in his will (p17) secret society afrikaner jh hofmeyr makes an appearance...(https://archive.org/stream/lastwilltestamen00rhodiala#page/16/mode/2up), in case you are thinking about tinfoil hats and unmarked black helicopters, or seeing little green men, half the civilized world featured in his will :) hehehehe anyway, there are quite a few choice boerehaat (and racist) statements to go around, just little academic research, like you said, 'it is a battle to get reliable/trusted/acceptable citations...) - anyway, you are 100% correct: Not enough published and acceptable academic research and it is easyTM to find a citation to even prove that: "the earth is flat"... :) Zarpboer (talk) 08:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
There are other articles on Jingoism and Imperialism, which I have linked in the article. Unless you can find sources specifically denigrating the Boers, or painting them as a threat, I don't think we can include them in this article. It is actually quite an interesting subject, I learnt a lot editing the article. HelenOnline 09:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
hmmm, okay, RE: the boers of the 19th century, I will find additional sources and citations for you, there is three that I can think of, at the top of the list is a paper by an American, that is properly cited, I will also check with saiir for additional academic and try to establish the general acceptable academic view. SA POLICE: I am actually very surprised that there is no usable citations for the slang/criminal use to refer to the Police as "boere"... FARMERS: There are a few possibly usable academic papers and the statistics are public and can be used, thing is that I need to then look for research that acceptably interprets the statistics, again saiir... - pls give me some time to get time to do find/look for all that... i am getting citations inline for apartheid, and that is proving to be quite difficult as there is so much and finding the best papers and documents is also challenging in a sea of papers... - re pov when doing something, i was once told that the best way to understand any other pov than your own, is to do research and write on the opposing pov, i wish i was a better author/write though *sigh* at least i am pretty! :) Zarpboer (talk) 09:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

History of women's rights in South Africa[edit]

Can someone please have a look at this article which is written a bit like an essay/opinion piece? Gbawden (talk) 10:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

While an article about the history of women's rights in South Africa is needed, this is just not it. If nobody is prepared to completely rewrite it I think it should be taken to AFD. Some of the external links listed on the page may be useful for such a rewrite. I have asked for input from WP:WikiProject Feminism too. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:37, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
It's a pity the author(s) seem to be hit and runners, as their intentions are obviously good. I am wary of chasing away potential constructive local editors, goodness knows we need more of them. I will post a note on their talk page and see if we get any response. HelenOnline 12:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Did you get any response? Imho WikiProject Feminism relies far too much on "one shot" editathons. They recruit like-minded people who have no actual interest in becoming Wikipedians, get them together and then with the "coaching" of a few experienced editors they create a bunch of new articles during a single organised session of just a few hours, then they leave. I've referred to it as "ninja editing" because the arrive, do their writing and then disappear before anyone can even engage with them about their contributions. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Kroondal - School - verifications[edit]

The Kroondal School was started in up in 1892.*) Neither Louis Botha nor J.D. du Toit attended the Kroondal School. Louis Botha was thirty years old when the Kroondal School was begun. J.D. du Toit attended school in the Cape Colony at that time. Both, however, did attend schools founded by missionaries of the Hermannsburg Mission Society; Botha at Herrmansburg near Greytown **), du Toit at Morgensonne (Morgenzon) near Rustenburg ***).

 *) Fritz Scriba et al, Die Kroondaler Schule - Anfangsjahre, p. 4, 1982
**) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Botha
      • ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totius_(poet)

41.13.70.51 (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Which article(s) is this about? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Unsuitable editing at Transvaal Colony[edit]

Please keep an eye on editing activity at this article, which is supposed to cover the history of the territory in the eight years between the end of the Boer War in 1902 and the founding of the Union of South Africa in 1910. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Also South African Republic. Not really my area of expertise and I was not feeling up to tackling it today. HelenOnline 12:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Productive discussion at Talk:Transvaal Colony has begun, please feel free to join in. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Even though I managed to get the POV rhetoric at Transvaal Colony toned down yesterday, the editor is now ripping into South African Republic. I've delivered a Level 3 POV editing warning, but I'm not sure it's having the desired effect. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Edit history on Transvaal Colony simply proves that I adjusted the article to reflect history and I added citations and acceptable references. Similar to the edit history and current quality of the South African Republic, I added citations and removed fiction, through consensus with other editors, I cleaned up the maritz republic headers and added the correct name of the country. (With references and citations) - I am not saying that the article is now complete, just that there is now a factual base to build on. Your removal of the entire second boer war, quoting NPOV and political bias, etc. is simply not true. The second boer war did happen and you are welcome to dispute the number of kids and women that died, but not simply deny that it happened. What would be great is if you bother to check the citations and look at the original documents, treaties, conventions, etc. referred to - before simply and easily deleting sections. Maybe follow the policy of this group? (to discuss in the talk pages? before simply blindly ripping into someone else's contribution? I am far from perfect and make lots of errors and would like you to point out where an error is, so that I may look at the cited source, look at supporting documentation and see if what I added is POV and not factual and maybe build on whatever someone else discovered or added as well... this improves the overall quality and means that we deliver something of value and something useful? Zarpboer (talk) 13:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
The way you are going about it is disruptive. Completely replacing entire sections of stable articles with your own chosen version of "The Truth" is not the way we build articles. Please just slow down and discuss before making such radical changes. The tone of your writing gives a clear indication of your personal POV of the events you write about (Boer=good & British=evil). Anyone can pick and choose sources to support any side of almost any argument so saying you have sources is in itself fairly meaningless. It is not necessary for the ZAR article to contain extensive details about the Boer Wars - there are many other articles that specifically cover those wars in considerable detail. You've even added arguments about the Afrikaner/Boer ethnic identity dispute referencing the Broederbond and other topics irrelevant to the history of the ZAR. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Since when is http://www/boere.co.za a neutral reliable source with a reputation for fact checking and professional editorial oversight? In fact at closer inspection it looks like Zarpboer (or someone with a very similar username on that site) is in fact the author of much of the content of that website. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Does nobody else care that articles covering important parts of SA history are now being twisted into blatantly biased "Boere" propaganda? Both myself and HelenOnline are busy with other matters and cannot give this issue the attention it urgently needs. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I already completely rewrote one article, which nobody could be bothered to review. I suspect the sudden interest in these articles may have something to do with Front National's land claims. HelenOnline 08:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Roger. Will attempt to write a history of the Transvaal Colony 1902-1909, give me a few days. I have limited sources of South African history, so future drafts will need to add other sources. Conlinp (talk) 15:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
The issue has been referred to ANI - see WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Extensive OR and POV-pushing by Zarpboer. - further discussion should take place there rather than here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Those editors with any interested can please have a look at the South African Republic page, feedback and comments are very welcome. And yes, I am still using the boere.co.za library ref found on google, if you have a different/better/whatever library where this book/citation is available - please edit the citation, i have removed the afrikaner bond and all other things that absolutely anyone complained about and will discuss in talk for collaboration/consensus before adding... tx Zarpboer (talk) 07:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Also just watched the video online about the Front National land claim, interesting... Their claims are based on properly detailed land and "deeds of sale" and not so much political or about wars or restitution except insofar as it relates to the original deeds of sale. The land in question was simply "taken" by proclamation, from the British point of view, the black king had no authority to dispose of the land and the whites were 'freebooters', from a zar perspective they also simply decided to 'absorb' the land into zar, hectic. anyway - cool word, no? freebooter.. hehehe, i guess all events have two (or more) sides - Anyway, point of this edit is: No, HelenOnline, my interest/contributions have absolutely nothing to do with any land claims or political views or selling any coolaid to anyone and if you tell me which page you re-wrote, I will gladly review it :) Zarpboer (talk) 11:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Cape Town 6: Wiki meetup[edit]

This is just a quick shout out and invitation to the 6th Cape Town Wiki-meetup this Sunday, 7th September 2014, from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Details can be found at the meetup page on Wikipedia. --Discott (talk) 14:34, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Open Book Festival edit-a-thon[edit]

Open Book Festival has partnered with the University of Cape Town to host edit-a-thons for South African literature. There looks to be a smaller "build-up" event on 5 September and a larger event on 21 September 2014. Event listing. gobonobo + c 01:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Song "I've Never Met a Nice South African" Mid-Importance[edit]

The article on this song has no sources at all, making a case for its notability pretty bleak. This WikiProject rated the article as Mid-importance. As it stands, it has offended a few people. Unless it gets some sourcing showing non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent RS, I think it needs to go. I have not ever nominated an article for deletion, and I applaud what the creators of this song were trying to do at the time, but because this is unsourced and potentially offensive, I think it has to go unless it can be fixed up. Anyone care to take that on? Dcs002 (talk) 03:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Offensiveness has never been an accepted criterion for deletion, so don't even mention it in your proposal as it will only weaken your argument. I wonder who decided to give it a Mid importance rating - in terms of country projects I doubt that any songs except maybe national anthems could ever really deserve such a high rating. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

New article needs a lot of help[edit]

Please help to improve Santam, it's one of the biggest and oldest insurance companies in SA, so it really should have a better article than the current stub. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

POV pushing at Waterval[edit]

Could an editor please take a look at this [1] and the next few edits. Seems like major POV pushing to me. This was found by this bot that detects wikipedia edits from parliament. Nathan121212 (talk) 19:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

these are big changes, they require citations and consensus, although some of the edits after the change seems valid, I reverted all the edits since the large change Zarpboer (talk) 05:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

26th South African parliament[edit]

If anyone could help update 26th South African Parliament with these recent developments [2] it would be greatly appreciated. I'm also not sure where this info would fit in and I've not had a lot of time to edit lately. Thanks - Nathan121212 (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anything has changed. Business as usual. HelenOnline 17:44, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

How do I join?[edit]

I am a new wikipedian who is not entirely sure how these things work Jacobmacmillan (talk) 16:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome! You can add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa/Participants. You can also subscribe to the mailing list of Wikimedia ZA here. Just ask if you have any specific questions. HelenOnline 17:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thank you Jacobmacmillan (talk) 17:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Apartheid[edit]

an emotional page, provoking strong POV, also an extremely important page. "The Precursors to Apartheid" section, imho, is not NPOV, it is extremely well written though. How I came to the page, is I tried to figure out what led to Apartheid, how did it happen, did some evil dude wake up one morning and say, howzit, now all these races go here and all those go there? Obviously not. Apartheid has a rich developmental history with lots of actors, contributors and as the page stands now, it simply does not reflect any of that and is an apologetic and explanatory non neutral POV, that does not tell our kids where this crime on humanity came from and how it developed. There is obviously a lot that could be said about the history of Apartheid and how it developed. As painful, difficult, controversial and challenging as this may be, it needs to be done. I am a human, so I have bias. I have a POV, my POV is not written in stone, but I cannot go and do this by myself, my POV needs to be balanced with all the other POV that there is: Pro and Against: White Supremacy POV, Racist POV, Non Racist POV, Boer POV, British POV, Dutch POV, European POV, Black POC, White POV, Indian POV, Asian POV, Other Races POV, Afrikaner POV, Anti Afrikaner POV and the hundreds of other POV... Please help me to balance my POV, even if you just comment or even if you re-write everything, any and all contributions are pleaded for... Zarpboer (talk) 06:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Creation of Vital Articles South Africa[edit]

Hey ladies and gents

I'm not entirely sure if something of this kind already exists, but if it does not I really think it would be great to draw up three levels of vital articles for South Africa - ie. articles regarding South Africa that Wikipedia should have corresponding high-quality articles. The main vital article project can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles. While this may be similar to article importance, I think they are different measures and that having vital SA articles would assist wikipedia contributors. Thoughts? Jacobmacmillan (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Yoga South Africa[edit]

Could someone have a look at this article - I am tempted to AfD it - makes no sense and doesn't seem to be notable Gbawden (talk) 07:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree, AFD it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

2nd Boer War[edit]

I added an RfC to the page as I am not sure how to improve the Origins section on the page, anyone with any interest please add your vote Zarpboer (talk) 05:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Maritz Rebellion[edit]

Please check my spelling, style and grammar here: Maritz Rebellion and maybe also comment on theRfC on the talk page? Zarpboer (talk) 10:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

New draft article needs help[edit]

I have started drafting Draft:Disability in South Africa, some help to expand and improve it would really be appreciated. In particular the section on demographics could use some expert input - a report on disability was published recently by StatsSA,. Unfortunately I am not good at exctracting and summarizing the essential elements of such reports, my ability to parse socioeconomic statistics is rather limited. Some of the other sections also need to be expanded before the draft will be ready for mainspace. The article structure is modeled on similar articles such as Disability in Australia and Disability in Sierra Leone. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I really need some help with the demographics/statistics, please. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
I would volenteer myself but I am a bit snowed under these days with work and I suspect my ability with the stats might not be much better than anyone else's. Although I might be able to give it a go after the 1st November. In the mean time I would suggest asking Htonl, he is a wizz at that sort of stuff.--Discott (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia South Africa Annual General Meeting[edit]

Dear Wikipedian / Wikimedian,

Notice is hereby given in terms of the Articles of Association of Wikimedia ZA NPC, that the Annual General Meeting of the Chapter will take place on Saturday, 1 November 2014.

The AGM will be followed by the Annual Wiki Loves Monuments award ceremony.

Further details of the event will follow in due course, but please do diarise the date.

Wiki Regards --Humetheresa (talk) 17:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


Update on Wikimedia South Africa Annual General Meeting[edit]

This is to inform all interested parties that the Wikimedia ZA annual general meeting will be held on the 1st November 2014.

Location: Cape Town (you may join us over Google Hangout; if you are going to join us digitally then please let me know so I can send you and invitation)

Time: 11:30am to 3:30pm

Date: Saturday, 1st November 2014

We will inform everyone closer to the time on the exact location within Cape Town of the AGM. We are currently looking at two possible locations.

--Humetheresa (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I just want to update everyone that the AGM will be taking place on the first floor of the Truth Coffee Building at 36 Bree Street. More information about the event can be found here.--Discott (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Establishments in South Africa by year[edit]

South Africa did not exist as a country before 1910. Should the older categories in Category:Establishments in South Africa by year be merged with categories such as Category:Establishments in the Cape Colony by year? HelenOnline 06:27, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention[edit]

This is a notice about Category:South Africa articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments Award Ceremony[edit]

We have pleasure in inviting you to the 3rd Wiki Loves Monuments South Africa Award Ceremony, an event where winners of this year’s South African component of the largest photographic competition in the world, will be awarded their prizes.

The best photographs submitted from South Africa and around the world will be on display.

Please join us on Saturday, 1 November 2014 at 18:00 at the Slave Church 40 Long Street, Cape Town.

Refreshments will be served at this semi-formal occasion.

Please feel free to forward this invitation on to anyone who you feel might be interested in attending, and you are welcome to bring along a partner.

For more information or to RSVP please email The Administrator

Wiki Regards

--Humetheresa (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Dennis East[edit]

Hi all. This article is up for AfD - Can someone more knowledgeable about SA music weigh in? Gbawden (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia ZA Annual Report[edit]

A copy of our Annual Report is now available online

--Humetheresa (talk) 10:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Oudtshoorn[edit]

Guys, this is an iconic town with a rich and colourful history. I've been improving it, but I could use your help, too. Please and thank you. Willhesucceed (talk) 03:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I added a lot, but there's still quite a bit missing, for example on Oudtshoorn's importance to trade, and especially with regard to pre-settlement history. Please, feel free to add to it.
I'd also appreciate it if someone could do some copy editing. A fresh pair of eyes would be of much help. I'm aware the article is not as encyclopaedic in tone as it could be. Willhesucceed (talk) 18:20, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Trade Unions[edit]

Hi all, I am attempting to work on the pages for the different page unions since when looking up information on the unions due to their recent appearance in the news, I found them pretty much all to be stubs or extremely outdated and unsourced. This is a massive job. I would like someone to go through the Congress of South African Trade Unions page and the Democratic Nursing Organisation of South Africa page in which I have started making edits to see how they can be improved as I am sure my edits are nowhere near to the standard that they could be or should be. Any help and advice with regards to these articles would be much appreciated. --DSBennie (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Primary School: first Calls for Articles![edit]

Hi everybody, I'm quite excited to announce the first two articles selected to kick-start the content phase of the Wikipedia Primary School project! This research project focuses on the South Africa primary school curriculum: the involved teams have selected a list of 100+ relevant articles which will undergo review (or creation) by Wikipedians, scholars/experts, or journals. We thought that involving the Wikipedia community was the obvious first step in the process, which is going to last for the next couple of years. So the articles we'd like to suggest for creation are:

  1. Makhonjwa Mountains;
  2. Stone-walled town of Kaditshwene.

Please see the project pages for more information and instructions, and thanks in advance for your invaluable help. Best, --Elitre (WPS) (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

2014 Synagogue Church building collapse[edit]

The article is a truly pathetic little stub sourced only from Nigerian media. As it has had such a large social and political impact in SA I think this project should give the page some attention. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Good day Dodger67, I will assist in improving the article but unfortunately there is little information on this topic as the investigation has not yet been completed. --DSBennie (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

There's the whole diplomatic to-and-fro about Nigeria's slowness in identifying and releasing the bodies of the SA casualties - that has played out in the press for weeks. The church's PR people have put out a lot of material and many sources have responded to it too. The official investigation is only one aspect of the story. (Unfortunately my time here is very limited currently, but please feel free to jump right in, don't wait for me.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I could not agree more, this is a very important even and it is very poorly covered here. Even if there is little avalable sources on what actually happened there is, in South Africa at least, a wealth of sources that can be used to cover the diplomatic impact of this event.--Discott (talk) 09:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Youth in South Africa article[edit]

Hey all! I've created a new article, Youth in South Africa. I'd love feedback, edits, and contribution on my work. Thanks! Macmaclee (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I've done some categorization. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
The article is missing a section on politics. Youth have played a major role in SA politics over a very long period - many political organisations (particularly on the left of the spectrum) tend to have strong youth wings. Example: the 1976 Soweto uprising was initiated by high school students. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Africa Competition[edit]

The Wiki Loves Africa Photo Competition comes to an end on 30 November 2014.

On 28 November there will be a Cook-Off where 4 chefs representing Cape Town's diverse culinary traditions will be on display. Of course there will be tasting as well.

We are inviting chefs to donate recipes to a Wikibook of Cape Cuisine and attendants will also have the opportunity to share theirs.

There will be an opportunity for people to upload their images to the contest and we are calling all volunteers who are willing to assist people in doing so.

Where  : 6 Spin Street, Cape Town
Time  : 15:00 - 17:00

We hope to see you there!

--Humetheresa (talk) 06:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

South African Arms Deal[edit]

My fellow Milhistorians, this article could do with some updating to take into account the Seriti Commission Gbawden (talk) 07:35, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

First Thursdays[edit]

Have you heard of First Thursdays, an incredible way of experiencing the cultural wealth Cape Town has to offer?

This Thursday, entries from the Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 competition will be on display, and auctioned to help raise funds for Wikimedia ZA, a not-for-profit organisation representing Wikipedia editors in South Africa.


When : 4 December 2014

Where : iSSi on Bree, 130 Bree St

We would love to see you there so please diarise the date and join us! --Humetheresa (talk) 08:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Dictionary of SA Place Names[edit]

I've got a copy of the (just published this year) 4th edition of the Dictionary of Southern African Place Names. I'm happy to look up entries for anyone who wants to use them as references for articles. (The 1987 first edition is also available on the Internet Archive here.) - htonl (talk) 11:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Primary School: first call for Community Reviews[edit]

Hi everybody! After our previous call for articles, here is a friendly invite to improve some articles before a version is sent to some external experts for review in January 2015. Deadline is Dec 31, 2014 for: Walter SisuluDiscriminationStereotypeHerero and Namaqua GenocideWinnie Madikizela-MandelaFrances BaardSan people. Thanks a lot for your help with this! --Elitre (WPS) (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC), Wikipedia Primary School project.