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Interpreter stubs[edit]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_12#Category:Chinese_interpreter_stubs. The cat "Chinese interpreter stubs" was deleted, but none of the possible associated actions were taken. I tweaked the stub template but was reluctant to create the new cat. Do feel free to change it further. All the best: Rich Farmbrough00:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC).

Stub type sizes page broken[edit]

I'm not sure what triggers the rebuild of this page, but it hasn't updated since June. Can someone investigate and revive the automatic monthly build of this page? Dawynn (talk) 11:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The data comes from a subpage, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes/data, which was built on the 10th of each month by BernsteinBot (talk · contribs). Many of the reports built by BernsteinBot have not been updated since 1 July 2014, because that is when Toolserver went down permanently. I believe that each individual report needs to be rewritten before it can be run again, so the person to ask is MZMcBride (talk · contribs), who is the operator of BernsteinBot. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

New task for MoohanBOT[edit]

I have just filed a bot request for a new task for MoohanBOT. MoohanBOT currently performs minor stub sorting tasks, retagging biography articles from {{stub}} to {{bio-stub}}. The new functionality I have proposed will enable the bot to sort articles relating to British, English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish people into more specific categories. If the bot is accepted and works as planned there is scope to expand this method to other geographic regions. Your input would be appreciated on the request page! Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Petersburg Census Area replaced with Petersburg Borough[edit]

This CFD clears up a long-standing problem needing correcting, in that the Petersburg Census Area, Alaska ceased to exist when the Petersburg Borough was incorporated nearly two years ago. {{PetersburgAK-geo-stub}} should be changed to reflect the current subdivision. I'll do it myself if necessary, but I thought I would offer notice here first. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Lapland geography stubs[edit]

Category:Lapland geography stubs was recently moved to Category:Lapland (Finland) geography stubs. Since Lapland is ambiguous, I renamed {{Lapland-geo-stub}} to {{LaplandFI-geo-stub}}, without a discussion (I considered it routine cleanup, but I should know better...), but now I am not sure what to do with {{Lapland-geo-stub}}. It could be converted to a disambiguation page if we create a template for Lapland (Sweden), or it could be a general template for Lapland (region), but I know that it should not redirect to the Finland template. I am willing to fix/reverse anything I've broken. Any suggestions? Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages are (mostly) in article space, but {{Lapland-geo-stub}} is a template: very few templates are set up with the intent of offering dab choices. One example is {{sandbox}}, but I really don't think that we should set up stub templates like that. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I see the logic behind your position. Would it be better just to delink and delete the template? -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Should struct-stub be a subtype of geo-stub?[edit]

Should the Category:Building and structure stubs be a subrtee of Category:Geography stubs?" I see inconsistancy here - for example, Category:Building and structure stubs is a subcat of Category:Geography stubs; on the other hand, Category:Alaska building and structure stubs isn't a subcat of Category:Alaska geography stubs; and upermged {{Chad-struct-stub}} doesn't feed into Category:Chad geography stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

My thought would be that Buildings are not geography, maybe being a rural lad, but I think of geography as mountains, rivers, villages, coasts etc not buildings. However Category:Buildings and structures is a subcat of Category:places which is a subcat of Category:geography so maybe my feeling is wrong. Waacstats (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs[edit]

This category has been well and truly overpopulated for too long (It had been just as big for a long time when I started my sabbatical from stub sorting about two/three years ago). I decided to have another look at it and notice that the majority of articles seem to have been turned into redirects, do we put stub tags on redirects or can we remove the tag from the redirect and therefore reduce the size of the category? My feeling is to remove them as redirects are not articles and therefore can't be stub articles, but am open to other suggestions. Waacstats (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Redirects don't get stub tags, as a stub is defined as a short "article" and redirects aren't articles. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:20, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Israeli football defender stubs[edit]

I came across this and noticed there is a problem. This stub category is listed under Category:Israeli footballers and Category:Israeli football biography stubs. I think it should be removed from Category:Israeli footballers since it's already in the Category:Israeli football biography stubs subcategory. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems pretty straightforward. I went ahead and made the change. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Small alteration required[edit]

The template {{Belgium-law-bio-stub}} displays the text "an Belgian" instead of "a Belgian". Could someone fix this please? Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 05:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Redrose64 (talk) 12:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
@YSSYguy:It's very simple - simply look down the source of the template for the problematic phrase (note the double square bracket for the wikilink]] and fix it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Detecting stub templates with more than three categories[edit]

There's a discussion about possibly altering Module:Asbox to add pages to a tracking category if any stub templates on them add more than three categories. If you're interested, please comment at Template talk:Asbox#Unlimited categories. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Stub sorting tool?[edit]

I read the "Tools" section and there is nothing that makes sorting stubs easier. --Mr. Guye (talk) 00:07, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

How long has this been broken?[edit]

Anybody else notice that no articles have shown up in Category:Stubs in at least two weeks? I did some poking around and I can't figure out why it's broken but even after I fixed a hundred or so, there are at least 1,000 unsorted stubs lurking out there waiting to be sorted. Help? - Dravecky (talk) 10:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Codehydro: Could this be an Module:Asbox issue, or is it unrelated? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 11:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I'd vaguely assumed that there was a hyperactive stub-sorter working in a different time zone from me, sorting them all immediately they appeared in the category. Does seem a bit unlikely now you mention it. PamD 15:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
They are being added to Category:All stub articles (which has 1,888,431 members), but not to Category:Stubs. PamD 16:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I would investigate this - weird bugs in templates are something of a specialism of mine. Unfortunately, {{asbox}} was recently converted to Lua (see Module talk:Asbox), and its code is now impenetrable. I do not see anything above where the proposal to Lua-ise the template was mentioned, let alone discussed. We could revert the template to its pre-Lua version. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
(Sigh) "In Lua" is not the same as "impenetrable". You should really learn to code in it some time - I think you'd enjoy it. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I went to Module:Asbox, and knowing that the category with the problem was Category:Stubs, and that it must be treated differently from other categories, I did a search for the word "stubs". I found it twice - once is in a comment, the other is in this construct:
                        table.insert(stubCats.v, v == '' and not p.demo and pageDoc.exists and
                                'Stub message templates with documentation subpages'
                                or not cat:match' stubs$' and {k = 'S', t = page.text}
                        )
I know about regular expressions, specifically that $ - it's looking for the word "stubs" followed by a newline. The code here does not seem to be concerned with the decision whether or not to categorise an article; and the amendment made by Codehydro did not touch those four lines, and the word "stubs" is not found there either. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Lua doesn't have standard regular expressions, which is probably what threw you off. To be able to fit inside tiny devices (think chips on toasters, etc.), the Lua developers decided not to implement the relatively heavy regular expression syntax, but instead created their own system of Lua "patterns", which are similar to regular expressions but also differ in a few important ways. In this case, the most important distinction is that Lua strings are always multiline, so "$" means the end of the string, not the end of a line. Codehydro also makes heavy use of Lua and/or logic here - for that, see Programming in Lua, which has a better explanation than I could hope to write. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: I would also point out that I too thought the problem involved stubs and did the same search for the word 'stubs'. Nonetheless, our thinking that category:stubs recieved special treatment was flawed and ended up sending me on a wild goose chase, since the bug was triggered by |tempsort=no rather than the category's name. Blame the person who decided {{stub}} shouldn't be categorized... or me for my botched consolidation of Asbox/templatepage, not Lua :P (Of the hundred of templates I've tested, I don't remember seeing a single stub template other than {{stub}} that sets tempsort=no) —CodeHydro 19:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • This has now been patched. The bug came from the consolidation of Template:Asbox/templatepage (Asbox's helper template) into Module:Asbox. Basically, the helper included instructions, when |tempsort=no, not to place the category tag specified by |category= (but not category1 or category2). When the templates were separate, that instruction was ignored on articles simply because the helper was not transcluded on articles. However, the unintended consequence of consolidation is the presence of helper code without transclusion. In other words, while great care was taken to include instructions from both the main template and the helper in the consolidated module, the module was missing an instruction that was not present in either template because the instruction wasn't necessary when the templates were separate. (Yeah, I just spent hours trying to find something that was not present in the original templates -.-;) —CodeHydro 21:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
@Codehydro: Thanks for fixing it. Will the 1000+ articles which were tagged with {{stub}} while the template was broken be recategorised correctly into Category:Stubs automatically now? I see a few very recently tagged stubs have found their way into the category, but what about the previous lot? PamD 22:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
They'll work their way back into the category gradually as the job queue catches up. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. PamD 17:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Right now there are 289 articles in the category; this is after I stub-sorted 2 out of it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
There are still just 410 stubs showing in the category but just shy of 1,300 using the {{stub}} template. - Dravecky (talk) 05:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────As long as the number of stubs in the category keeps going up, without the number of uses of the tag doing the same, I wouldn't worry about it. It went up from 289 to 410, while the uses of the stub tag stayed fairly stable. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)