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Talk page at Kilcoy, Queensland[edit]

I haven't got a lot of time to spare for Wikipedia anymore nut I do drop in from time to time, such as today. I did notice an interesting discussion at Talk:Kilcoy, Queensland that might need some cleaning up/investigation. The "discussion" - aside from being inappropriate for a talk page - appears very one sided. I suspect some very naive sockpuppetry. If someone has the time an inclination to clean up, it would be appreciated ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes I agree - I have deleted the entire thread as it doesn't seem to be aimed at improving the article. Perhaps other editors may think that is a bit extreme though. Open to a different approach of cse. Anotherclown (talk) 06:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Given that living people were named (directly and indirectly), I've also revision deleted it. I tend to agree that it's likely that a single editor was talking to themselves here. Nick-D (talk) 09:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Nick. Makes sense. Anotherclown (talk) 03:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Weird title[edit]

My eyes continually jerk on "notice board" since I watchlisted this page. Why isn't it "noticeboard", as it is everywhere else? Tony (talk) 12:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure it's weird? The containing Category:Regional Wikipedian notice boards has 58 "notice board"s and only 3 "noticeboards". I did notice that one of the parent categories is Category:Wikipedia noticeboards, so the wider Wikipedia is not entirely consistent anyway. --Scott Davis Talk 13:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
That's a pity. My US Encarta dictionary says: noun, Brit.—a board for displaying notices. the term's list of lectures has been put on the noticeboard. an electronic noticeboard. There's no AmEng entry, strangely. What do Americans use??? And there's a hyphenated alternative redirecting to the closed version. Yeah, it does seem wrong to me. Tony (talk) 15:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
No idea what is used elsewhere but the Macquarie Dictionary uses "noticeboard". Does WP:TIES apply here? Hack (talk) 15:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Really? Is this what it has come down to? Worrying now about whether or not to include a space in a title that has existed for over 10 years with no concerns? If you don't like it, take Category:Regional Wikipedian notice boards to CfD, get the spelling changed and then we can move all the notice boards to match the category name. Or, alternatively, you can be more productive and fix up the far more serious problems that exist in Wikipedia articles. --AussieLegend () 15:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:36, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, I really have to ask this separately. Tony, as an Australian editor, why are you using a US dictionary to check Australian spelling? --AussieLegend () 15:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Because WP:AWN was taken and WP:AWNb would drive us all batty. The-Pope (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
    • Legend: first, I have clearly have higher standards than you do concerning language. If that is what "worrying" means, so be it. Now you can go off and do what you want to "fix up serious problems in Wikipedia articles"; I'll look at quality and thank you not to be bitchy.

      Second, I use the Encarta because it's comes on my desktop by default. It contains (marked) US and British spellings. What's your complaint now about that? Tony (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Tony, you "have clearly have higher standards" concerning language. Sorry, I know it's just a typo, but I love it when people boast about their language, spelling or grammar standards or point out others' errors, and then make an error themselves [quickly re-reads previous sentences for errors]. --Canley (talk) 03:09, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Tony, the fact that you're using an obsolete US dictionary (Encarta was discontinued in 2009) betrays your claim of superiority. My browsers use current dictionary add-ons and even the wiktionary entry for notice board seems more current than Encarta. I was not being bitchy, I was asking a serious question. Thanks for your response. Have a have nice have day have. --AussieLegend () 03:44, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed bitchy—which is why no one takes any notice of you. Tony (talk) 08:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
That is completely inappropriate and out of line. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Also confirmed bitchy. Tony (talk) 11:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
This is more than inappropriate now. Your comments are dangerously close to being outright personal attacks. There is no need for this. Please be civil. --AussieLegend () 11:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
You need to stop your tirade against me. It's no secret that you have disliked me for years. I suggest you back off and cease the harrassment. Tony (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Tirade? Really? I wasn't the one who started calling people bitchy just because they asked why you were using a US spelling checker to check Australian spelling. Tony, I have very little to do with you and have no feelings for you either way. You're simply not on my radar. I suggest you be mature in your interactions with other editors. This is becoming quite ridiculous. --AussieLegend () 12:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Don't make assumptions that you are on "my radar", either. How laughable. Grow up. Tony (talk) 12:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Clearly, this is going nowhere. I must be on your radar because your claim that "It's no secret that you have disliked me for years" indicates this is something that affects you, otherwise you would not have said it. I'm not sure how this happened but please be assured that I neither like nor dislike you. Goodbye to you. --AussieLegend () 12:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Clifton Pugh[edit]

didn't Uncle Clifton Pugh paint the present duke of Enderbura — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.143.106 (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed.--Melburnian (talk) 05:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia by road[edit]

Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia by road, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:24, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Brooke Street Pier[edit]

I've recently created Brooke Street Pier and nominated it for a DYK. Does anyone know of any other floating buildings of this size (5300 tonnes) in Australia? News reports have referred to it as "Australia's largest floating building" but I can't find references to ANY other floating buildings including on Wikipedia - floating building is a redlink, even Floating dock (jetty) is pretty minimal. I even had to create Category:Floating structures as it didn't exist. -- Chuq (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

There was one in the 1980s on the Great Barrier Reef (4000t displacement I think) but it was relocated to Vietnam (see here). A 2012 study mentions only this one and no more in Australia. From what I can see it's the only significant current floating building in Australia - Peripitus (Talk) 23:13, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Great finds Peripitus! They are certainly a good starting point. I guess it is the challenge of how much research is someone expected to do and not find any larger buildings, before it can be considered as "the largest!" -- Chuq (talk) 09:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
There'd be a few floating oil rigs in Australian waters. Hack (talk) 16:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
They are called Floating production storage and offloading (FPSOs), and are basically more ship than building. The-Pope (talk) 16:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I wonder where the line is drawn - is a cruise ship a floating building? What about a ship permanently moored? (eg. SS South Steyne?) -- Chuq (talk) 23:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Rule of thumb, if it moves under its own power (or used to), its a ship/boat. If it was never designed to move without assistance, its either some type of barge or some type of floating structure. -- saberwyn 23:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

How much research is someone expected to do and not find any larger buildings, before it can be considered as "the largest!"? If you can find a reliable source that makes that claim, then you can use it with just a single reference. If you can't find any reliable sources that make the claim, then you can't make the claim on Wikipedia even if you've scoured every source on the planet. That would be RS. If reliable newspapers have made the claim then that's good enough for inclusion in the article. If someone can find another source that contradicts it, then we can worry about which is correct. Remember, we're interested in verifiability, not truth.Mark Marathon (talk) 23:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Saberwyn and Mark Marathon (BTW - I think you meant "OR" not "RS"?). Consensus on the DYK nomination page suggests the same, so the ABC source is fine. Still keen to create articles on any other Australian floating buildings people find :) -- Chuq (talk) 03:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
@Saberwyn: - Unless it's a floating dry dock apparently. --AussieLegend () 07:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:ACTinttop and Template:NSWinttop[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:ACTinttop and Template:NSWinttop have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the templates' entry on the Templates for discussion page. Evad37 [talk] 01:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Template talk:Islam in Australia[edit]

Extra input appreciated here. Frickeg (talk) 04:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Murder of Kylie Maybury[edit]

Could Australian editors, in particular, Melburnians, take a look at Murder of Kylie Maybury? There's no doubting the notability - it made the front page at the time, even pushing Reagan's win over Mondale over to the side. I'm still uneasy about using "handbag" by itself as handbag on its' own usually indicates the type used by adult women and little girl's handbags are smaller and have licensed themes such as Barbie and Disney. Paul Austin (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Murder_of_Kylie_Maybury&diff=644196877&oldid=644077686 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitch Ames (talkcontribs) 03:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Rosie Batty[edit]

Rosie Batty has been announced as the Australian of the Year Award winner for 2015 (unfortunately, she was one of only two who didn't already have a Wikipedia article). I've created a stub article - but no doubt it will attract a lot of searches over the next day or so. -- Chuq (talk) 07:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Australia Day Honours list[edit]

The Honours list has been released - Order of Australia recipients are here: http://gg.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/honours/ad/ad2015/1_%20O%20of%20A%20gazette.pdf and a few others - I've updated post nominals for a few articles but it would be easier with a bot! -- Chuq (talk) 21:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm starting some articles for the Companions (ACs), there was only one: John Funder. I've started Jeremy Chapman and am working on Janice Reid. Done a few postnom updates when I see them. --Canley (talk) 01:33, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

CBD and South East Light Rail[edit]

Can we have some more eyes on this article? Some dude is adding a long and unsourced criticism section, ignoring any and all requests to take it to the talk page, and is breaking 3RR in the process. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

See Talk:CBD and South East Light Rail#Criticisms. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)