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Help with plot summary[edit]

I recently created an article for the Gravity Falls episode "Not What He Seems". It's mostly done except for the plot summary, which I find myself currently unable to write. Can someone familiar with the series help me with this? Thanks. 23W 05:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Anyone? 23W 01:37, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

The Disney Afternoon/Disney-Kellogg Alliance[edit]

There is a dispute at The Disney Afternoon about including the industry name of the block, Disney-Kellogg Alliance, from 1997 to 1999. Disputing editor claims "dubious information" and "Not notable" despite sources. He wants a general consensus. Please centralize comments to the talk page thread there as requests will be made on other Wikiprojects. --Spshu (talk) 21:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This request for comments is still open as no one has commented. --Spshu (talk) 00:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:Episode list[edit]

I realise that most editors don't really get into the actual mechanics of templates, but there's a disturbing trend that affects us all so you need to know about it. I'll try to dumb it down as much as possible so everyone understands. All templates used to consist of many lines of code but many are changing over to use "Lua" "modules". In the past, when you wanted to get a template changed you went to the template's talk page and somebody would then change the template's code directly. This does not happen now. Instead, the code has been replaced by a simple call to a Lua module. For example, {{Episode list}} was changed like this to call Module:Episode list. {{Episode list/sublist}}, which is used in season articles, used to contain different code to {{Episode list}} but both now use the same module and, even if {{Episode list}} is on your watchlist, changes to Module:Episode list won't be seen, meaning that the template can change without any of us realising. This happened in January, when a WP:REFPUNCT violation was introduced and now a proposal to make episode titles optional (which does have problems) has been made based on a single request by a new editor unfamiliar with the template at the teahouse. I have left a request that editors working on Module:Episode list leave notification at Template talk:Episode list or here, but I encourage all editors, if you see something strange going on with {{Episode list}} raise it here so we can all work out what is going on. --AussieLegend () 19:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

And now somebody has modified {{Infobox television}} without any discussion,[1] despite there being two current discussions on the talk page regarding potential changes. ("related" and New "header" wording parameter). --AussieLegend () 16:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Dcbanners[edit]

For those interested: Dcbanners was identified as a sockpuppet of Finealt. Sad day. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Finealt/Archive. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:09, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I was gonna say you're a couple days late... but wow... EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Must have been same IP used to give that level of certainty given the widely disparate editing focus and style. If range is what I think it is, it is highly dynamic and it is possible a chance overlap. I don't really wish to believe it as Dcbanners is a valued contributor, and Finealt—isn't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez: I thought so too. I looked at the edit days/times of the Finealt socks listed on SPI for the past 5 weeks. There's no overlap between Dcbanner's editing and the sock editing. Clear divisions between the edit times. :-/ Sadly. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I had recently nominated him for Editor of the Week for all his hard work. I know that the CheckUsers check more than just IPs. Either he's behind the whole shebang, or it's a freak inconsistency, or a combination of the two? We don't get to talk much about vandals, as it's best to not give them the attention they seek, but I can't fathom investing so much time and effort doing good, positive stuff, only to be orchestrating an equal amount of time doing pernicious stupid shit, particularly stuff that irritates people who actually liked you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Episode numbering at Henry Danger[edit]

There is a discussion about how to number episodes for Henry Danger at Talk:Henry Danger#First episode is one 46 minute special. So far with limited participation. Additional inputs would be appreciated to help resolve this issue. This may be an issue for other TV series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:34, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Succession boxes used for timeslots[edit]

A discussion about the addition of succession boxes is currently under way at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Succession boxes used for timeslots. Input from WP:TV would be greatly appropriated as this affect articles about Japanese anime television series. —Farix (t | c) 00:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Whale Wars cast table[edit]

I'm trying to sort out the cast section at Whale Wars and need some ideas. The series doesn't have a defined cast list, with significant changes in people from year to year, much like Big Brother and similar programs. Over the years people have added virtually anyone whose name was shown on-screen; if any of the ships had cats, I'm sure they would have been included in the cast table. Yes, I said table. I first pointed out in 2012 that the cast list needed to reflect the entire history of the series, but this was completely ignored with most people being updated to show only their latest position. Yesterday, after somebody I've never heard of tried to add their own name to the table,[2] another editor deleted the table entirely,[3] but I don't think that's appropriate. For now, while battling the unknown cast member,[4][5] I've pruned the huge table down to include only the ship captains and 2 others who boarded Japanese ships (the boardings were notable events reported worldwide in multiple sources).[6] That decision was arbitrary, and I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone who cares to comment. --AussieLegend () 02:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

This is kind of funny because I started second guessing my deletion. The table looks like it could be a problem just like it did years ago. But if IMDB is a source than I'm not too worried. But then again, IMDB isn't always a great source and I question if such info is even worth being in an encyclopedia. I'm on the fence about full on deletion or removal. I don't know how to handle a middle ground. What will help the reader?Cptnono (talk) 09:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Wacky Races changes[edit]

Looking for outside input on the changes I've made. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Better Call Saul - could use more eyes[edit]

Better Call Saul, a juicy high-profile series, could use more eyes. The episode summaries are rife with details (like the type of drink Jimmy pours himself) that don't advance our understanding of the plot. A few days ago I endeavored to condense some of the bloated summaries, but they've become bloated again, which I think you'll notice below.

I really don't think we need to know that we're going from black and white to color; or that Jimmy is "toiling" at his job; or that he has a moustache; or that Jimmy pours a drink before reminiscing, or what that drink is; or that the tape format is VHS; etc etc etc. Anyhow, TL;DR: it would be nice to have experienced eyes at Better Call Saul. ❤ Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"related" parameter in Infobox television[edit]

I think we need to be more specific about the related parameter in {{Infobox television}} so I've proposed changing the label for the parameter to make its purpose more clear. The discussion is at Template talk:Infobox television#"related". Come one, come all. --AussieLegend () 04:42, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Really, everyone is welcome. --AussieLegend () 06:54, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Future air dates discussion at Village Pump[edit]

I have started a discussion about verifiability of future air dates at the Village Pump. Comments are welcomed. —Farix (t | c) 14:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Do we add a final air date to the infobox before it has aired?[edit]

OK, so on the Downton Abbey page, people are adding the final air date even though this has not yet aired.

I'm looking for some guidance on this. I always thought that we didn't add the final air date until the final episode had been aired? However I keep getting reverted on the article.--5 albert square (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

If it is sourcable that the finale will be on such-and-such a date, and definitely known as the finale of the show, there's no issue in including that date as long as the source about it being the finale date is in the article. Yes, something might happen that cause a delay to change it but that's rare, and it can be fixed after it has happened. --MASEM (t) 19:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
For the infobox or the episode table? If it's the infobox, I would actually say "no", because we don't update the episode counts before they air, or update season counts before the season starts. I don't know why we would do that just for the series finale date. The episode table does typically have that in there for future dates, but that's a different situation.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
@Bignole: it is for the infobox.
@Masem: The lead in the article says it is expected to be Christmas Day, but that is unsourced and I can find nothing on Google to back this up. I'd expect that most channels do not know their Christmas schedule yet so this date may changed.--5 albert square (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Taking what Bignole says into account, if you can't find a source at all, that's OR (likely episode counting) and Crystal-balling. One thing I do see in counter to Bignole's point is that some pages will have, for episode counte "X (Y aired)" where X is all planned episodes from reliable sources, Y is what has passed. I do not see the issue with necessarily putting a sources show finale date in the infobox as long as that source for it is right there, but the other logic also follows too. --MASEM (t) 21:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
*slaps everyone around the head* Templates have instruction pages. {{Infobox television}} is no different. The instructions reflect the MOS and/or current consensus. For the last_aired parameter, which is what we're talking about, the relevant portion is Only insert the last episode's date after it has happened. In case you're wondering, the instructions for {{Infobox television season}} are similar. Downton Abbey editors don't seem to have ever read the infobox instructions. --AussieLegend () 06:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

YouTube Wikiproject Proposal[edit]

I have just proposed a YouTube Wikiproject that would cover any Articles relevant to YouTube People, Culture, Organisations and Business

I would love to get lots of support for this --- :D Derry Adama (talk)

Video vixen listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Video vixen. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. 65.94.43.89 (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The Amazing Race Episode title quotes sections violate WP:TRIVIA[edit]

I have recently resumed watching The Amazing Race after abandoning the show for several years (due CBS's dick move of putting it up against the Simpsons), and thus I have started looking at its articles as of recent. It seems to me that sections indicating who said the title quotes are unambiguously trivia. During the last Survivor season, someone proposed to add them to Survivor articles, but it was flatly rejected there per WP:TRIVIA. I was wondering is anyone else interesting in removing them? I brought it up at Talk:The_Amazing_Race_25#Episode_title_quotes_section_is_trivia, but other than Ryulong (in agreement) no one else responded. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:29, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Note: I previously posted this same exact message on the TAR task force talk page, but then realized that that page is too infrequently used to serve as good place for discussion

GAR[edit]

Ocean's Three and a Half, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Producer/writer/composer filmography navboxes consensus[edit]

I've started an RfC at ‎Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#RFC: Filmography navboxes that would be of interest to this project. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

N. B. the subject is creating a general rule to support deleting templates at Category:Film producer navigational boxes, Category:Film writer navigational boxes, Category:Television producer templates, Category:Television creator templates, and Category:Television writer templates.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Notification of new infobox parameter[edit]

Hi all. Just want you to be aware that I have implemented a new parameter to {{Infobox television}}. It is release, which will change the heading "Broadcast" to "Release". To use the field, simply put 'y' / 'Y' / 'yes' / 'Yes' to trigger it. Its intent is to be used on series released on streaming media sites such as Netflix, where all (or eventually all) episodes are released at once. The change was made because "Broadcast" is not the correct term for these series. I've personally updated many of these articles, but feel free to add it to any new ones that are created, and be on the look out for traditional broadcasted series that attempt to use this incorrectly. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

"The Rat Patrol" TV Series Started in 1966[edit]

The Rat Patrol debut Monday September 12, 1966 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.199.97 (talk) 20:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you have reason for posting this? --AussieLegend () 21:04, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)That is the date used in the article The Rat Patrol. AL's question is a good one. MarnetteD|Talk 21:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

RfC - years in the infobox[edit]

As a result of a previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 20#Presenters' years in infobox I have removed years from the infobox at Top Gear (2002 TV series). However, another editor believes more discussion is needed so I have opened an RfC at Talk:Top Gear (2002 TV series)#RfC: Should years be included in the infobox. Opinions from other editors would be appreciated. --AussieLegend () 14:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Infobox television film nominated for merge[edit]

{{Infobox television film}} and {{Infobox film}} have been nominated for merge. Anyone who wishes to comment can find the discussion here. You do not need knowledge of the intricacies of templates to participate in these discussions, just some common sense, so there's no need to be scared to get involved. --AussieLegend () 14:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Alternative proposal[edit]

One of the alternatives proposed at the above discussion is that {{Infobox television film}} and {{Infobox television}} could be merged as they have a very similar set of parameters and are both within this project. This is true although they do look different. I've been bold and added code to Infobox television's sandbox that merges both templates.[7] A comparison of the two infoboxes can be seen here. Merging the templates would have the benefits of requiring only one template for all main TV articles, and providing a consistent look and feel in all of those articles. Since it's a fairly simple modification (the code is already written) and doesn't seem to affect existing articles, does anyone see any reason why we shouldn't merge the two? I'll have to bring this up at the template talk page but thought I'd gauge the response here first. --AussieLegend () 18:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)