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List of EuroCity services[edit]

I've created this article, based on the list that was on the EuroCity pages, to try and make it more informative and current. It's a work in progress, so it's still incomplete and a bit messy - any contributions to completing the page would be welcome. I noticed that a number of people are creating new articles for specific TEE/EC services, so this ties neatly into that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtVandelay13 (talkcontribs) 16:58, 6 March 2013

Derailment in Montana[edit]

Yesterday, there was a freight train derailment in Montana. Nothing unusual about that you may think, just one of many and probably not worth more than a mention in the relevant list.

Normally, you'd be correct, but this particular freight train was carrying 6 brand new Boeing 737-800 fuselages as well as component for B747 and B787 aircraft. Three of the wagons carrying fuselages went down an embankment, with two of them ending up in a river. At least one of the fuselages shows clear signs of breaking around its circumference.

Is this accident worthy of a stand-alone article? Please consider it not just from the railway perspective but from the aviation perspective. We could have two, if not three brand new aircraft written off before they even flew. I'll inform WP:AV of this discussion. Mjroots (talk) 16:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

If the load had to do with the derailment, then more likely so. Are these exceptional transports (maybe an adjusted load gauge for the route)? -DePiep (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
These are everyday production aircraft subassemblies and components, not complete aircraft or parts of significant prototypes or anything like that. As such, from the aviation perspective they are not notable in their own right. Notability might arise if the accident has a notable knock-on effect, say to Boeing's ability to do business. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Let me advise Boeing that they add wings to their planes. Let me advise BNSF they stay away from air transport. Let me advise they push the "duck" button. -DePiep (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Seems like a footnote to the rail line article or BNSF article; while certainly interesting, it was just a derailment. Doesn't seem to have killed anyone, or caused any more disruption than any other derailment. I suppose it's only the monetary value of the lost goods is higher than usual. -- (talk) 05:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I suggest writing an article on wikinews: in lieu of an article on Wikipedia. -- (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all, looks like consensus is against an article. It is mentioned in the List of rail accidents (2010-present). If you think that there are other articles that this should be mentioned in, please add the info there. Mjroots (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

If major recommendations and/or legislation develop from this crash then it might be notable, but we'll have to wait on the NTSB report. Mackensen (talk) 16:16, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


I'm interested in refactoring the Interurban article. Comments appreciated at Talk:Interurban#Proposed refactoring. Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Possible non-neutral research[edit]

I think that recent edits by Blythwood (talk · contribs) at Abbey Line, Birmingham New Street railway station, Broad Street railway station (London), Central line, Gill Sans, Metropolitan line, Wantage Tramway, Waterloo & City line may need review for WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. I don't see any new sourcing either. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

User:RalphOnTheRailroad/Sandbox/My Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway[edit]

Hi all, I accidentally discovered this cache of detailed articles lingering in a retired editor's userspace. Can someone with some knowledge merge them into the current versions of the articles? Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that would be fine. I got diverted to other research. Then I had to take care of my mother. I probably wouldn't get back to this for another year. RalphOnTheRailroad (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
@RalphOnTheRailroad: I'm glad to hear you're interested in getting back and finishing them! I just assumed that you probably wouldn't come back, given that you hadn't edited in four years, but it's good to know that you're still around. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Small set of public domain early train images for re-use[edit]


Not sure if this is the right place or way to notify this, but I've recently changed the license on my vintage photograph collection to be Public Domain. Within the collection I have a really nice small album of early images of named locomotives and thought you may be able to make good use of them (some of the images are already linked from articles, but not actually uploaded to Wikimedia and displayed on the article pages).


Whatsthatpicture (talk) 14:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It's {track gauge}, not {RailGauge} any more[edit]

FYI: The template has moved. It is {{track gauge}}, not {{RailGauge}} any more.

There is no need to edit articles for this, old template name will be supported (forever). It's just that you'll see the new name in documentation and in talkpages. See this {TG] talk about the Move. -DePiep (talk) 21:32, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Help needed: Illinois Central Railroad[edit]

I am working on a draft article in which the subject: Walter W. de Lacy was a prominent civil engineer and topographer of the mid 19th century. In his biography William F. Wheeler (1896). "Walter Washington De Lacy A Brief Biography As Given By Him In Several Conversations and From Other Sources.". Contributions to the Historical Society of Montana 2: 241–251. Retrieved 2014-08-08.  and other sources, it says that de Lacy was employed for several months on the Illinois Central Railroad being built in 1839. His biography says this was at (most probably) Jonesboro, Illinois. He had just completed a year of instruction in mathematics, engineering and topography at West Point. However, the Illinois Central Railroad article indicates this railroad was not chartered until 1851. I want to link to the proper article in the de Lacy article, so a link to Illinois Central Railroad would be incorrect if the charter date is actually 1851. Can anyone in this project provide some clarity here. Was the Illinois Central chartered in 1851, if so, was there a precursor? A similar question exists for the St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern Railway which de Lacy also worked on in 1839. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 13:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

The legislature chartered the "Jonesboro and Mississippi Railroad" in 1837, but it doesn't appear to be otherwise heard of. Perhaps this was an abortive attempt at constructing it? It had charter rights to connect with "the Central Rail Road", and apparently the legislature did charter an "Illinois Central Railroad" in 1835; it was never built, and the legislation was repealed and a new IC chartered in 1851. Choess (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@Choess - Thanks. The Illinois legislative reference is sufficient to support a footnote explaining the disconnect. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Unused train/tram templates[edit]

Hi WikiProject Trains. (Now indef blocked) User:Appletreer created a whole bunch of train and tram templates which are all unused (see list below). Are these potentially useful, or should I nominate them all for deletion? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 10:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

You can delete them right away for WP:G5 (speedy). If you want to spend any more time on it, you can check for actual use in mainspace (and leave those alive). -DePiep (talk) 11:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Up for G5: Template:Mecca Metro color, Template:Mecca Metro lines: same editor, different sockpuppet username. -DePiep (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:RE-MV color[edit]

Hi WikiProject Trains. I've just come across Template:RE-MV color which currently contains (and has contained since its creation) "My Name is NIZAM UDDIN BABU.I am Bagladeshi.I live in Comilla in Chittagong District.I am Student of comilla Polytechnic Institute in Computer department". Obviously that content is incorrect, and the template should contain a colour code. But what colour should it be? In Berlin_Hauptbahnhof#Train_services, the "RE" services are coloured red, so should I make it red (i.e. #ff0000)? Or should it be something different? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 13:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

1. What does RE-MV mean? (related to template:RE-MV lines maybe?)
2. As it works now, it has no effect (style="background:nonsense text" does not produce any color). If you give it a color value, all uses must be checked because they may get that color - unintended.
3. Maybe do research through [WLH]?
-DePiep (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I've given it a color (which seems to be working) based off the code in {{Bahnlinie}}. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 14:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Again, how do you know that color is applicable in all template transclusions? -DePiep (talk) 18:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean. Of course it's applicable - it would only be called when
{{S-line|system=RE-MV ...}}
is specifically added to an article. It's only used on eighty-odd pages, all of them German railway stations in the MV area. There may be cases where different lines in the region have different colors - some but not all other German regions do - but those are easily added lately. For now, this is better than either the previous spam, or a null template. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Let me repeat. 1. What doe RE-MV even mean? What does it stand for? 2. If you give it a color (from non=blank=transparent), how do you know that color was intended? 3. What did you learn from WLH? It was a spam page always, so turning it into a color was never checked by the invoking editor. -DePiep (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
@DePiep: When I found {{RE-MV color}} and then {{RE-MV lines}}, I realised that {{RE-MV color}} was part of a standard "XXX stations/lines/style/color" rail succession template set, which was confirmed by looking at the WLH. ("RE-MV" stands for the Regional-Express train service in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern). I could have just had the template deleted as nonsense, but I thought since it had already been created, I may as well just set it to the right colour, but I didn't know what the right colour was, which is why I started the discussion here. (With regard to asking the editor who created the template what colour it should be, the fact that they populated the template with text suggests they probably wouldn't know, and they haven't edited since June 20 anyway, so if I left a message on their talk page, they probably wouldn't see it). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
All clear. -DePiep (talk) 11:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks for explaining that better than I could have, DH85868993. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

West Coast Railways fleet details.[edit]

Good Morning,

I know NOTHING about Wikipedia, so I hope this is in the correct place. In the listings of WCRC's diesel fleet, you list 47787 "Windsor Castle" as becoming operational in 2008. I photographed the loco at Dingwall on 16th September 2007, working the Grampian Railtours trip to Dunrobin Castle. It was in ex-works condition and was un-named.

Hope this is of some use.

Dougie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Briarcliff Manor[edit]

Hi all,

I saw on your project's "To do" page that you all intend to create a Briarcliff Manor train station article. I've been writing about the village and its related topics, and although I didn't think there was enough on the train station/library to warrant its own article, if you all have some knowledge or information that I don't, please do tell. Also, I'd be willing to add in what historical information I can find; I am also a member of the Briarcliff Manor-Scarborough Historical Society, so I can use their resources as well.--ɱ (talk) 23:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC)