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Draft:Wide Latin[edit]

I have started draft at Draft:Wide Latin, since it is a ubiquitous font (at least, it is widely represented in lists of fonts that are hated and advised against). I can't seem to find any historical information on it, and don't know where to start looking. Who created this broad, angular mostrosity, and how, and why? bd2412 T 04:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

It's a font designed by Stephenson Blake. I've not found a credited designer. Many fonts of that era didn't have one since they were very much team projects. The company would set a corporate goal (we want this kind of font for this kind of market) and have people make it. That said, it is interesting: it seems to be rather like hand-painted signs, which couldn't be practically made as fonts until large high-quality decals came in towards the 1970s. Blythwood (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there a source for that? Is this article-worthy? bd2412 T 20:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Probably not worth a whole article. Maybe redirect Wide Latin to the S-B article & put details. Source: [1] & here: [2]Blythwood (talk) 21:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Done that now, actually.Blythwood (talk) 01:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I have deleted the draft accordingly. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

'Hash' or 'number sign'?[edit]

Template:Punctuation_marks: No_more ( )[edit]

See Template:Punctuation_marks: No_more ( ). -DePiep (talk) 21:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


I just had a quick look at Bracket and then i checked the talk page. I was astonished to find it a C class article when it obviously deserves higher. One of you guys should reassess. NickGibson3900 (talk) 17:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Proportional and tabular figures[edit]

Hello. I've been interested in creating an article on this topic, and have now completed a draft here. I'd be really keen to hear comments. Blythwood (talk) 22:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Irish typeface image[edit]

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This image, which appears only on Irish orthography, is a low-quality image. The edges of the letters are not smooth, and the letter "names" use some sort of quasi-phonetic spelling. It looks it was put together in an old version of Microsoft Paint. It would be nice if someone redid it (I don't have the necessary typeface). pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 19:25, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Fleuron image recs[edit]

There are some good illustrations of these around, but they're all of individual glyphs, mostly from modern fonts. Does anyone have a recommendation for a non-copyright scan of an entire printed page of some book with floral borders on Flickr or Wikimedia to give people a sense of how they look on an entire page? I could create one using modern fonts like Hoefler Text and IM Fell but would rather show one laid out by professionals. Blythwood (talk) 22:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about professional, but this is nicely ornate and full of fleurons/flowers. . --Mark viking (talk) 23:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Do you know any good ones that are printed rather than manuscripts? Blythwood (talk) 06:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
The Triumph of Plutus
The only printed printed example I was able to find was from the French wikipedia at left. As for modern examples of typeset borders with fleuron glyphs, I don't know of any non-copyrighted images available. There is a public domain image of sample fleuron rules/borders at flicker [3]. --Mark viking (talk) 14:06, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! Blythwood (talk) 14:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
On balance, decided that the Flickr image would be better. I've uploaded it and put it on the fleuron page (and the typeface page as well). Blythwood (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

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OS X typefaces navbox[edit]

Hi! At the moment I'm drafting a navbox template for typefaces included with Mac OS X on my sandbox here. Syntax is not complete yet but I'm hoping this will be a useful resource for gathering fonts together. I don't think it makes sense to put it on literally every article on a typeface bundled with OS X, since there are so many, but it might be useful to join up little articles like Menlo, and as a guide to notable fonts that need their own articles. In addition, it might be useful for users since some fonts are bundled with OS X but hidden unless you enable them (including some really big names like Bank Gothic, Bodoni, Century Gothic, Century Schoolbook, Garamond, several cuts of Lucida and Twentieth Century MT), so it would be really great to tell people that they're there. The Wikipedia article on the topic is totally outdated so I'm basing it on this data sheet, focusing on the current situation as I don't have a list for Yosemite. It's totally incomplete since I'm using the Microsoft one as a model and rewriting it as I go, starting with the Latin fonts-though I may split the Latin fonts up into serifs and sans-serifs and scripts. Help (or justifications of why this is a stupid idea) eagerly sought! Blythwood (talk) 04:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Word Spacing[edit]

Hello! I was thinking of adding some information and history about word spacing. A lot has been written on subjects around it (e.g. letter spacing) and I feel this would benefit the Typography Project. Amac19 (talk) 21:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello again! I've added a brief section about readability and word spacing, with references as well. I've adjusted it and I plan to add more information soon as well as mention two views on spacing that I've read in literature. If anyone has any feedback or suggestions, that would be much appreciated! Thanks! Amac19 (talk) 03:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)amac19

-I've added several paragraphs to Word spacing plus the references consulted. I also added Leading to the See Also list because it seemed to be quite relevant for readers of typography. As always, any questions, comments, concerns about the edit is appreciated! Amac19 (talk) 17:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)amac19

Hi Amac19, I like your additions to the word spacing article. Readability is a good topic. If you are looking to expand the article....Word spacing is also affected by the type of font used, e.g., monospace fonts don't have adjustable word spacing, whereas proportional fonts are usually more flexible. You might mention that word spacing can depend on typographical format. For instance, to achieve justified paragraphs, word spacing is altered to adjust lengths, see [4] . But in ragged right set paragraphs, word spacing is typically fixed. --Mark viking (talk) 04:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mark viking Thanks very much for the feedback. I had read sources that had some discussion on what you suggested, though as my posting was part of a project, and as a first time poster, I was a bit hesitant to write on this without better knowledge on this topic, but a good note for how the Word spacing page can progress! Amac19 (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)amac19

Line Length[edit]


I am a Master of Library and Information Studies student. As part of my course Information Systems Management I have been tasked to make a substantial edit to a stub article related to IM topics discussed in the course. I am particularly interested in typography and so I have selected the Line Length article. There has been a fair bit of work done on the subject so I will be adding a short section (about 500 words) and references for your review.

I look forward to your input. Melissa

MelissaArchibald (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I have added two sections to Line Length: "Printed Text" and "Electronic Text". Headings are open to change. References have also been included. I appreciate any feedback. MelissaArchibald (talk) 02:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Type color[edit]

Hi - I noticed the type color page is fairly informative but has no references to back it up. I'm looking at rewriting it a bit and adding some references as part of a school project. Katieolive.b (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Circled Characters[edit]

Very Small Point : Elsewhere the "AT" sign (@) is referred to as a circled letter "a". . It is NOT -- rather it is a wrapped-tail letter "a" : The "circle" is NOT closed. Allenwoll (talk) 23:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Boxout, Floating Box, Sidebar[edit]

While looking for unreferenced articles, I noticed Sidebar (publishing), Boxout and Floating block. They are tagged by this WikiProject and they seem to describe fairly basic concepts, but I can't find works that describe them in detail in the context of layout and print. The Survival Guide To Journalism glossary describes Box out as a synonym for Sidebar for example (p. 143). Two of the articles have been missing references for several years now - it would be great if someone could help out. Also, and that is just my opinion as a layman, Floating block and Boxout seem to describe the same thing. I'm crossposting a link to this section to WikiProject Graphic design. Recdep (talk) 20:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Scripts: Subscripts, Seriscripts, Superscripts[edit]

Seriscripts is a term used by some semioticians to identify scripts "within" the base of texts, that are not below or above the typed "X" height. Furhermore and to be strictly or technically proper, fixes like "st" and "nd" and "rd" as written suffixes attached to root numbers like 1 and 2 and 3 are related to syllables but are called clitics and are not scripts. (talk) 12:24, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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