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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob247 (talkcontribs) 21:03, 9 October 2012‎ (UTC)

Standardizing College presidents templates[edit]

A small matter, but can an admin help me with changing Template:Louisiana College Presidents to Template:Louisiana College presidents? All the other templates show small case for presidents, so I thought I would make it consistent.........Pvmoutside (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Done.....Thank-you!....Pvmoutside (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Bank Street[edit]

I am looking for the foundational theories upon which Bank Street Children's school practices are based. Does anyone have that information? 98.155.35.204 (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)May98.155.35.204 (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Style discussion underway[edit]

FYI: MOS discussion within the scope of this project

A discussion about the style of the academic course names is underway at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles#Names of academic courses. Ibadibam (talk) 23:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Editing Infoboxes[edit]

Hello everyone - as some of you have seen, I've been working on information regarding campus sexual violence. In my research for other articles, I've found that many of the universities that are part of the recent OCR list have been found in violation (not just investigation) a number of times. I was wondering how people felt about editing the college/uni infobox template to include something along the lines of "Found in violation of Title IX" (with some more graceful wording, of course). This information is becoming quite central to the history of higher education in the United States, and so I think that should be reflected in our information. TYVM for your input Thebrycepeake (talk) 18:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Are we also going to add infobox parameters for the (a) the number of civil lawsuits filed against the university, (2) the federally-guaranteed student loan default rate of alumni, (3) number of building and health code violations, (4) the number of sexual harassment lawsuits filed against faculty and staff, or (5) the percentage of male, female and transgendered faculty? The possibilities are endless . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose inclusion in the university infobox. The infobox should be limited to essential, defining characteristics of the subject. This is interesting and important information that should be included in the article but it doesn't rise to the level of inclusion in the infobox. (In case anyone is wondering or going to raise an objection, I do oppose the inclusion of some of the information that is already prevalent in the infobox. It would certainly be different if it were solely up to me!) ElKevbo (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Like ElKevbo, I think the infobox should be limited to defining characteristics of the subject. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. In addition to the arguments above, this would be a purely US-centric addition which makes no sense for the great majority of universities. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Earnest Question I see this "not defining characteristic of the subject" used over and over again, and I'm still trying to figure what this means -- defining to who? At what point does something come into definition? If the short history of Title IX, places like University of Florida have been found in violation of federal regulations (not just accused) FOUR TIMES. That's almost once every 10 years! What is the point at which something becomes defining, and how do we locate that point?Thebrycepeake (talk) 15:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
That's a good question and I don't have a short, easy answer at the tip of my tongue. Thinking out loud, I'd imagine that such an answer might say something about the core mission of the institution and its lasting impact. A more concrete answer that is easily defended using Wikipedia's core principles, particularly WP:OR and WP:RS, is that the infobox should contain the information that other reliable sources commonly cite as being important and common characteristics shared by most colleges and universities e.g., what information do people and organizations like the U.S. Department of Education, publishers of popular rankings, well-respected scholars, and the institutions themselves typically share as essential information that defines and distinguishes institutions? If I were starting this infobox from scratch, that is probably where I'd start.
As I've said to you before, I think you're much better off first writing a good article about this topic and then linking each institution to that article as appropriate. A few institutions will have enough history with this topic to warrant a brief (or maybe even long) discussion in their main article but most will probably only warrant a mention with a link to the main article about the topic and its history and present developments. ElKevbo (talk) 16:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Your advice last time was well taken, ElKevbo - see U.S. Department of Education Releases List of Higher Education Institutions with Open Title IX Sexual Violence Investigations and New Campus Anti-Rape Movement, and edits at Campus rape. In the process, though, I'm discovering that Title IX violations (and sexual assault in general) have been part of many US college and universities histories in the 20th and 21st century (and not simply after the 1960's as some articles suggest). This is not original research, but simply going through decades and decades of new reports, government documents, etc. while writing the previous articles.
That brings me to where I am now: I agree with Jonathan A Jones that it is not a global issue, and probably doesn't belong in the infobox, but I think it is a defining enough characteristic to go in the leads of many (though probably not all as you mention above) US colleges and Universities. News articles in relation to sports and the like have been citing issues of sexual violence as "defining" since long before the public OCR lists, with plenty of cites to be made to make this case. I felt like WP:IAR might start to apply here, but apparently (beyond categories) there is no WP rule on "defining"... Thebrycepeake (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't you think there's a difference with being subject to a Title IX investigation and being subject to federal sanctions under title IX? In other words, shouldn't there be a higher bar for being "defining" than just being investigated, but rather if that investigation resulted in something?--GrapedApe (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Sure GrapedApe - I'm not saying that the folks under investigation should just be added to the lede (although I may think so, I can understand the resistance to it). What I'm talking about are schools found OUT OF COMPLIANCE by the OCR (not just accused of it), especially because most of the universities on the list released by OCR have been previously under investigation and/or found in noncompliance. As for federal sanctions, no one has ever been sanctioned, which pulls all federal aid and is called the "nuclear option," because it does more damage to students and faculty than it does the administrators who facilitate non-compliance. see here for a simple version of the debate on sanction. What do you think? Thebrycepeake (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)