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Categories nominated for deletion[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob247 (talkcontribs) 21:03, 9 October 2012‎ (UTC)

Requested move this project might be interested in[edit]

Or maybe not (lol) but here is a community college renaming move request: Talk:Gloucester County College#Requested move. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

University Sexual Assault Investigations in Lead[edit]

I've been inserting information (and created a category) for universities under investigation by the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights for Title IX violations. It's become a topic of debate as to whether this information should be placed in the lead, or if it should just be relegated to a controversies section. My feeling is that it is lead material: first, given that President Obama has both publicly named these institutions AND created a task force to address them; second, given the large amount of news coverage about university failures to address sexual violence; and third, because many of these places have a long history of turning a blind eye to sexual violence, such that their reputations are bound up in knowledge about their climate by both students and faculty. But I'd love to hear your thoughts as well. Thebrycepeake (talk) 13:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Tagging User:ElKevbo and User:Esrever, who have made edits relating to this issue. See also the discussions at User talk:Thebrycepeake and User talk:Mr. Granger. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
It's not clear to me whether this information belongs in the articles at all, but I feel strongly that it does not belong in the leads. Per WP:MOS/LEAD, we should not give undue attention to less important controversies in the lead section, and this controversy is not major in the scope of these universities' history. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Obviously inappropriate in the lead, probably inappropriate in most articles, and the category seems to reflect a lack of world wide perspective. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Assuming it's otherwise in good shape (e.g., neutral, balanced, due weight) I think it's reasonable information to include. It is a topic that has raised significant national attention at all levels and there are some particular institutions that have garnered particular interest in the media and legislatures.
For most institutions, I imagine that the best approach would be to simply include a generic line indicating that this institution is one of at least 67 institutions under investigation and then to include a link to an article that discusses this specific issue (which has certainly generated enough material to warrant its own article!). Some institutions would warrant additional discussion with material specific to the institution.
However, I don't think that this material rises to the level of inclusion in the lead of any article as it's not a defining characteristic of any institution. I'm certainly open to arguments that this is an issue that is essential for readers to know about if they're to understand one or more specific institutions but the argument has to be made. And for anyone who wants to have that discussion, please don't think that we should include this information in the lead just to balance out the positive POV of many college and university articles; I sympathize with that viewpoint and acknowledge that problem but this is not how it's solved. ElKevbo (talk) 16:21, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I tend to agree with User:ElKevbo on this. I think it might warrant inclusion in some articles, but that it is not material for the lead. As I noted in comments on my own talk page, I think it's not lead material precisely because it is so widespread. If it were one institution that had received significant national coverage over a period of years, then yes, that's a lead-worthy point. But it's a national problem that has only recently come to the attention of the media and the public. To put it in the lead seems to give it undue weight. Esrever (klaT) 17:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Also tending to agree with User: ElKevbo now, that it is not appropriate for the lead for some places. However, if you look at schools like UNH and Dartmouth (listening to NPR right now where they are being discussed), this is part of a longer institutional history that goes back to the early 1980's (itself a crucial moment in the growth of these institutions and all of US higher education). Thebrycepeake (talk) 17:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Do you have a list of the specific institutions that you think should mention this information in the lead? I'm not proposing we discuss each specific case here but it would be helpful to have a centralized list of the institutions especially if it would be better to hold separate discussions for each of them (here would be fine but we'd need to drop a line in the articles' Talk pages to let other editors know that we're discussing the article here).
It's also worth noting that it's going to be an uphill battle to argue for inclusion of material that is shockingly negative in the lead of any of these articles. I'm not saying that it's inappropriate or that I will be personally opposed but it's easy to imagine that many people such as alumni and current administrators and students may be adamantly opposed to such information being prominently included in the lead of an article about "their" institution. ElKevbo (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't. I was just speculating that I could conceive that there might be such institutions. Esrever (klaT) 05:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Here is a list of schools with very long histories of campus sexual violence, off the top of my head: UNC, Yale, Dartmouth, UNH, Harvard, Princeton, UVA. I'll work on digging up sources before I do any edits to their leads, though. Please feel free to add to the lists. Thebrycepeake (talk) 16:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • If properly sourced and properly written, it might be appropriate for the body of the article, or even possibly a sub-section, but I don't think the mere instance of an investigation is warranted in the lead. First, an investigation is just an investigation, it doesn't necessarily mean that the school was in violation. Second, unless the investigation results in something substantial, discussing it in the lead is WP:UNDUE. Third, there are also WP:RECENTISM concerns, since I'm sure there have been many investigations over the years, but these would be highlighted just because they're currently in progress. In other words, what El Kevbo said.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

The other end of the scale[edit]

I'm actually more concerned about the situation at the other end of the scale. Frostburg State University simply had the Category: Schools Under Investigation for Title IX Violations added. I'm *very* hesitant to have categories added that don't reflect any information or references in the article.Naraht (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Naraht, I will make sure the info gets put in today - I did tags this morning, and was planning on doing info this afternoon. Thebrycepeake (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanx, I still have concerns on a grander scale but that is a *very* different issue, Does this investigation currently have an article?

I think the investigation should have an article, and I don't think there should be a "controversies" section unless real serious controversies take place - this is just fact, this stuff has happened, it's happening, and well, it should be mentioned if there are multiple reliable secondary sources. I don't necessary think it needs to be in the lead, but, perhaps in history sections or sections about the institutions today. SarahStierch (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I've noted elsewhere that a "Controversies" section shouldn't be created just as a place for this material unless the editor is willing to rework the article in such a way that other controversies affecting the school (most will have had a few others) are suitably consolidated there as well. I think in most cases, a sentence or two about these (breaking) issues can be added, perhaps as Missvain suggests, into the History section or elsewhere. JohnInDC (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that the investigation certainly needs a page, and maybe that's where we should be starting from. Regarding the articles, perhaps what we're talking about is the absence of any information on most pages about the scandals that gave way to their Title IX investigations - rarely do these schools just show up as under investigation. Given that, I think folks are right, that maybe the history section is the best place, using Occidental College as a template? Thebrycepeake (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Folks here might be interested in the current conversation to delete Category: Schools Under Investigation for Title IX Violations. Please go weigh in on the debate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebrycepeake (talkcontribs) 03:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Standardizing College presidents templates[edit]

A small matter, but can an admin help me with changing Template:Louisiana College Presidents to Template:Louisiana College presidents? All the other templates show small case for presidents, so I thought I would make it consistent.........Pvmoutside (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Done.....Thank-you!....Pvmoutside (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Bank Street[edit]

I am looking for the foundational theories upon which Bank Street Children's school practices are based. Does anyone have that information? (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)May98.155.35.204 (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Style discussion underway[edit]

FYI: MOS discussion within the scope of this project

A discussion about the style of the academic course names is underway at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles#Names of academic courses. Ibadibam (talk) 23:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)