Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Urban studies and planning
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- 1 Userbox
- 2 Coordinators' working group
- 3 Portal:Roads
- 4 Article alerts
- 5 whyisTalk:Three Cups of Tea in this wikiproject?
- 6 Burnham Park (Chicago) GA Sweeps: On Hold
- 7 Historic district (United States) GAR notice
- 8 New article: Visual preference survey
- 9 Metropolitan Statistical Area vs metropolitan area
- 10 Preventing Edit Wars? or Spreading outdated misinformation?
- 11 WP 1.0 bot announcement
- 12 GA Reassessment of Cityscape of Ashland, Kentucky
- 13 Conurbation, Agglomeration, Metropolitan area
- 14 Merge proposal
- 15 New York metropolitan area composition
- 16 Third place movement
- 17 Urban studies and planning articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
- 18 Home Owners Associations replaced redlining
- 19 Please consider whether this article is appropriate for your project
- 20 Template:Largest Urban Areas of the United Kingdom
- 21 Notification of pending Foresight and Futures Studies Project Proposal
- 22 Important article in need of critique: Depleted Community
- 23 List of planning journals
- 24 Developing article, input appreciated
- 25 Proposed revision Exclusionary zoning
- 26 New WikiProject for squatting
- 27 FAR
- 28 Request for comment
- 29 Request for input on AfD Micro-urban
- 30 Add an example project.
- 31 Expansion and revision of a high-importance entry "Slum"
- 32 "Downtown"
- 33 demographia.com
- 34 Leaflet For Wikiproject Urban Studies and Planning At Wikimania 2014
- 35 Leaflet for Wikiproject Urban Studies and Planning at Wikimania 2014 (updated version)
- 36 Ecological Factors in Design
I just noticed that Aude uploaded a userbox. If there is any interest, I have been using this userbox. Note that I am by no means a pro at templates, so the coding could be horrendous. Sláinte! --Bossi (talk ;; contribs) 23:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is good to have alternative userboxes, but this is legible at all. I love Budapest as well, but the image is too litle to be visible. It is also not a template, so is not possible to determine if anybody else is using it. I suggest improving or removing it from the WikiProject page. Elekhh (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Coordinators' working group
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Burnham Park (Chicago) GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Burnham Park (Chicago) for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Historic district (United States) GAR notice
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New article: Visual preference survey
Metropolitan Statistical Area vs metropolitan area
There have been multiple discussions on Wikipedia about the tendency for people to use these terms interchangeably. I fall on the side that the terms should be used with more clarity, and if referrng to the "Metropolitan Statistical Area", it should always be capitalized, and always include the word "Statistical" to ensure there is no confusion. Here is how I think the terms should be applied.
- A metropolitan area (lower-case) is a general term that refers to an urbanized area with one or more central cities. The area covered would depend on the context of the speaker, but it almost always would refer to only the urbanized areas around the central city.
- A Metropolitan Statistical Area (upper-case), or MSA, is a specific term defined by the Census Bureau. The area covered is defined by the Census Bureau and almost always includes the entire county that the central city is in, including non-urban areas.
Am I being too inflexible with these definitions, and is it appropriate to use the terms metro or metropolitan area, if you really mean Metropolitan Statistical Area? MissionInn.Jim (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- The concept of a metropolitan area is a large urban nucleus plus the surrounding communities socio-economoically tied to the nucleus. This is opposed to an urbanized area, which is defined solely on the basis of continuous urban/suburban development and/or population density. As a general rule, a metropolitan area is bigger than an urbanized area. It contains the urbanized area plus additional communities that are economically tied to the central urbanized area. A metropolitan area typically includes the core urban area, adjacent suburban areas, and outlying exurban areas plus the intervening rural areas.
- The problem arises when one tries to delineate a metropolitan area. One has to define three things in order to delineate a metropolitan area: (1) what is the central area (can be an urbanized area, an area of minimum employment density, an administrative area, etc.); (2) what are the buidling blocks to be used for outlying areas (could be counties, minor civil divisions, census tracts, etc.); (3) what are the criteria for deciding whether an outlying area is included or excluded from the metropolitan area (could be in-commuting, media market, employment interchange, etc.) The U.S. metropolitan statistical area is one such method of delineating a metropolitan area. It uses counties as building blocks and uses as its central area the set of counties (known as central counties) that contains a large urbanized area (in the U.S. an urbanized area is defined based on population density at the census block group level). Outlying counties can be added to the overall area if they meet a 25% employment interchange measure.
- In this sense, a metropolitan statistical area is an approximation of the true metropolitan area for statistical purposes. Because of the use of counties as building blocks (which are relatively large in area), the metropolitan statistical area will typically include a lot of sparsely inhabited areas not actually part of the metropolitan area. These, however, do not affect demographic and economic data too much. It is important that people understand that the metropolitan statistical area does not represent the physical extent of the metropolitan area. It is simply a convenient area that, taken as a whole, approximates what the demographic and economic statistics of the metropolitan area are. When talking demographics and economics, it is normal to freely interchange "metropolitan area" and "metropolitan statistical area". It should not be used, however, to say that the metropolitan area extends for such and such square miles.
- In short, a metropolitan statistical area is one method of delineating a metropolitan area and should be freely interchangeable with "metropolitan area" when talking about demographic and economic data. It should not be used for determining the geographic extent of the true metropolitan area though, as the large building block size fuzzes things a bit. --Polaron | Talk 20:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Polaron: I agree that a "Metropolitan Statistical Area" is a type of "metropolitan area", or metro, but the reverse is not true. Not all metroplitan area references are intended to correspond to an MSA. Wikipedia's own definition of "Metropolitan area" states, "In practice the parameters of metropolitan areas, in both official and unofficial usage, are not consistent. Sometimes they are little different from an urban area, and in other cases they cover broad regions that have little relation to the traditional concept of a city as a single urban settlement." That is why I think it is important, particularly for an encyclopedic resource such as Wikipedia, to be very clear and specific when it is referring to an MSA. Based on your explanation though, it does sound like maybe I have been to restrictive in applying the general term "metropolitan area" only to urbanized areas. I have looked around and cannot find a source that defines the general term "metropolitan area". Where did you obtain the information and description you provided above? MissionInn.Jim (talk) 00:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
You can abbreviate Metropolitan Statistical Area with Metropolitan Area, and it would not be incorrect, by it would leave it ambiguous as to whether you were referring to the MSA, or a more generalized non-specific metropolitan area. If you want to shorten it, just use MSA, then there is no ambiguity. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 03:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
MissionInn.Jim: The information I wrote is mostly from the Federal Registers including "Standards for Defining Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas" and the other documents here. In the end, a metropolitan area is a fuzzy concept but once you start ascribing things to it like total population, unemployment rate, economic output, you would need to delineate it. It just so happens that the methodology in current use that is applied to the whole U.S. in a consistent manner is the MSA. For practical purposes, in the U.S., the MSA is the metropolitan area since there are no other nationwide, standardized delineation schemes in use. If you want to speak only of the urban core, the Census Bureau does have urbanized area definitions but there is much less data available for that particular census geography compared to MSAs. --Polaron | Talk 22:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Preventing Edit Wars? or Spreading outdated misinformation?
Hi, I wish to draw your attention towards this topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population If you go to the discussion page you would see that the editors are using one single source for this wiki article in order to prevent Edit Wars. However, the source list is flawd and even after proper reference was given for a possible candidate of the list it was not accepted on the basis that it does not come from the source. If that is the case then I feel it defeats the purpose of Wikipedia as it becomes more like an ad for the particular book instead of a collaboration. So at this point I would like to ask if we should give preference to preventing Edit wars over spreading misinformation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skchandon (talk • contribs) 03:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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GA Reassessment of Cityscape of Ashland, Kentucky
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New York metropolitan area composition
There is a dispute about the definition of the NY metro area that would benefit from additional input here: Talk:New York metropolitan area#New York metropolitan area composition. NYCRuss ☎ 17:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Third place movement
I added the WikiProject template to Third place, the article on the "third place movement". Surprisingly, it was already under WikiProject Business and not also under urban studies & planning. I dunno if there is anything else I should do (here) now that it's listed. The article could use some love. Unfortunately I'm more practically knowledgeable instead of well-read on the subject. If there's anything I need to do in order to add an existing article to this WikiProject just let me know on my talk page. Yclept:Berr (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, indeed an article well within the scope of this project. I'm sure you'll find many more which haven't been tagged yet, for instance by going through relevant categories such as Category:Urban sociologists or Category:Urban planners. --Elekhh (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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Home Owners Associations replaced redlining
I think Home Owners Associations should be added to this topic. Having read the HOA documents in our development in Arizona, and being old enough to remember the historical issues related to redlining, it is clear to me that the discrimination efforts morphed into HOA's when the government tried to fix the problem.
Today, HOA's are used by banks to accomplish the same thing that redlining once did. They attempt to ensure that residents are homogeneous from a financial and cultural standpoint so much so that a common interest is guaranteed. Almost exclusively that "common interest" turns out to be color and/or economic stratification.
If you read the typical HOA, you will notice significant benefits and rights accrue to the mortgage holders. The banks do not fear loaning to HOA communities because they enforce the kind of consistency that keeps "other" cultures out, and almost all HOA Boards have a legal right to enforce vague rules as they see fit against some but not all residents without recourse by the target resident for the selective enforcement.
Unfortunately the Courts so far have held up this discriminatory practice under contract law, but its time for us all to realize that the entire HOA debacle is nothing less than "legal" discrimination, arbitrarily enforced, and created in response to the regulations prohibiting redlining.
In Arizona there are homes selling in HOA areas for as little as $65,000 due to foreclosures, but these homes are never sold to minorities because everyone knows the HOA's will eventually drive out anyone who does not fit the conformance criteria. For example, you might be able to make the payments on a $65,000 mortgage, but can you afford to have your cars worked on by a mechanic at $80/hour because you can not do that on your property anymore? This is just one aspect of the discrimination. The rules are almost endless and in fact usually overtly open ended in scope. All that need be done to bring legal hell into your life is just be different in some identifiable way. That is why our development is 100% white, as are most with HOA's.
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Template:Largest Urban Areas of the United Kingdom
There is an ongoing discussion at Template talk:Largest Urban Areas of the United Kingdom about the use of terminology in that template, particularly over "cities" and "urban areas" . Inputs from interested editors would be welcome. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Notification of pending Foresight and Futures Studies Project Proposal
As a subject who's topics may overlap with topics in Futures Studies, I thought it appropriate to notify this project of a new Foresight and Futures Studies Project Proposal being undertaken. I look forward to any discussion your members might have on this subject. John b cassel (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Important article in need of critique: Depleted Community
Hi, I am helping expand the current article "Depleted Communities" which will extensively explore how once-urban areas have experienced economic decline. It will include causes of depleted community (including factors of Capitalism and uneven development) as well as well as possible solutions. I feel that this is imperative to Urban studies and planning because it takes a multi-dimensional look on the factors that cause uneven development, leading to economic decline. This eventually leads to poverty, inequality, and many other social issues that help perpetuate urban decay. Thus I think this article would benefit greatly from insight from the Urban studies and planning community, as well as gain some much needed attention to the issue. Please take the time to take note of the article "depleted community" as I work on it, and some constructive criticism as well! Thanks, Njeri Muturi (talk) 03:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello all, Not too long ago, I created the above-referenced article, with the intention, in part, of strengthening coverage within Wikipedia of scholarly journals related to Urban and regional planning. This article has now been nominated for deletion. I'd appreciate your input to this discussion at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of planning journals . Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 21:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- P.S. While looking into it, if someone would like to assess the importance of this article, that would be helpful, too. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Developing article, input appreciated
I am planning on expanding the Gentrification article in the coming weeks and would really appreciate ideas from the Urban studies and planning community. Gentrification is not a new phenomenon. The term, however, is relatively new, and so are the efforts to explain and predict its characteristics as a process as well as the locations it affects. It is accepted as a fairly universal concept, and is rated high by the this wikiproject on its importance to the content of Wikipedia. The existing article is an effort to encompass the complexity of gentrification theory, causes, and examples, but it is rated C-class in quality by both of the Wikiprojects Urban Studies and Planning as well as Sociology. This discrepancy between high importance and low quality certainly needs to be eradicated with revisions and expansions on the topic. I want to give this article a larger focus on the causes and effects of gentrification, for those are the aspects of the process that are actually visible in so many places around the world. The inclusion of two more extensive examples of gentrification will also enable the process to be understood and applied more clearly. I believe . Its study is integral to understanding our changing world. I will be making my revisions in the coming weeks-- stop by and let me know what you think! Lggernon (talk) 05:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Proposed revision Exclusionary zoning
The Urban studies and planning WikiProject seeks to ensure that articles relate to urban issues are well-organized and written. In compliance with this mission, I intend to remodel the current Exclusionary zoning entry with the hope of ultimately including it in this particular WikiProject. Exclusionary zoning would be an appropriate addition to this WikiProject community as it delves into the urban planning mechanism of implementing regulations in order shape and alter development. Through exclusionary zoning, many communities are able to attain a homogenous structural and demographic composition while simultaneously excluding certain population groups. This type of policy remains a largely unknown aspect of society. The page's dearth of relevant information does not align with the topic's particular significance and prevalence. Therefore, with the page's enhancement and addition to this WikiProject, I hope to raise awareness about exclusionary zoning. Primarily through the use of scholarly articles and policy reports, I intend to completely revise the current page by elaborating on the current sections of history and examples while addressing new topics such as the legality, motivations and effects of this type of policy. Given the gravity of this topic, I recognize that I likely will need assistance throughout the project. Therefore, I encourage all feedback and suggestions on any aspect of my proposal. Thank you for all considerations. Mwtwgt (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
New WikiProject for squatting
Greetings! I have recently nominated London congestion charge, an article under this projects purview, for review. Interested editors are welcome to comment at the review page. Thank you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Request for comment
Your attention is called to this section, Use Mapping L.A. as reliable source?, which could use your expert input. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Request for input on AfD Micro-urban
The article Micro-urban is going through AfD, and there is confusion regarding its definition (there seem to be many definitions in many different contexts), as well skepticism about its notability. If there are experts here who understand this concept well, their input would be very valuable. AlmostGrad (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Add an example project.
I know of a New Urbanism project happening on the Oregon coast. Thought I would offer up the info to see if anyone was interested in adding it to the New Urbanism Examples list.
Wilder Newport http://www.wildernewport.com/community/neighborhood/ "A neighborhood is more than a collection of houses. It’s an interconnected network of homes, families, businesses, individuals and green space all weaving into a living tapestry. The saying goes, “Measure twice, cut once,” and so we’ve put a lot of thought into our neighborhood."
Expansion and revision of a high-importance entry "Slum"
Hi, I am planning on expanding and revising the entry “Slum” as part of my course. Davis notes “slums” as a potential worldwide catastrophe of urban poverty in his book the Planet of Slums. The entry itself is also rated high on its importance by the project. However, the entry is a C-class article. I hope to do some revisions so as to match its quality to its importance. You may see a detailed plan here and I hope this entry can provide various aspects of slums. Since slums exist in urban areas and urbanization contributes to its formation. I would appreciate advice from you. Furthermore, to what extent do you think urbanization contributes to the slums? How should people relate slums to urban areas and regard the relation between them?
In addition, I want to add more scholar references to this entry as well as reports from UN-Habitat and some related conferences. Can you recommend some scholar references on slums or urban poverty? I want to raise public awareness of urban poverty by revising this entry. (Feihuamengxue (talk) 21:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC))
- You're welcome! I think one major gap to be yet covered is an article on Informal urbanism as informality and poverty while overlapping are not the same and are often confused (Currently there is an erroneous redirect from Informal settlements to Shanty town). Literature:  --ELEKHHT 02:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment. I will try my best to define "slum" during my revision and distinguish differences from "informal urbanism" (or some other similar topics such as informal settlements). (Feihuamengxue (talk) 23:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC))
Your input is very welcome at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#demographia.com. User:Elockid suggested here that it would be a good idea to post at this page, as we are considering now removing all the figures and accompanying references where they exist. Please feel free to comment at the reliable sources noticeboard. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Correct link: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_161#demographia.com. This is archive. So? Subtropical-man (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, source of demographia.com exists on dozens or hundreds of articles, why no one has been informed? This is too big a change in Wikipedia that made it a few people with quiet/hidden discussion about which no one knows. Furthermore, in my opinion Demographia is reliable source, better source than UN or similar. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
After consultation, I restart discussion about the source Demographia: World Urban Areas. New discussion is here. Ping to participants of WikiProject Urban studies and planning: Mcginnly, Chriswaterguy, Aude, Nick, CQ, CComMack, Chaerani, Rickyrab, TonyBoswell, DWaterson, Uneirlys, Bjrobinson, Dogears, Bossi, Isles, H Padleckas, Futurano, Midwestmax, Hydrogen Iodide, treekiller, Trulystand700, MRSC, Parkwells, Mesmith9, Bhockey10, Damian Doyle, Daniel Case, AlexPlante, Kagcole, Elekhh, Wittyallusion, Stevevance, Pondle, Jcovarru, MetroFan, Yclept:Berr, Hholt01, Jon314, PhantomPlugger, Mar4d, MakeBelieveMonster, LNWWatcher, Lggernon, Mwtwgt, NehemiahAnkoor, NehemiahAnkoor, PatSunter, Feihuamengxue. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Ecological Factors in Design
You might be interested in a Wiki Education Foundation class at USC called "Ecological Factors in Design" is happening this fall semester. I'm sure these students would appreciate your input. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)