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C&VG to die final death[edit]

According to MCV, Future will be closing down C&VG.[1] No official word from Future yet, so no details on what will happen to the website, but I won't be surprised if the content disappears and the site just redirects to the listicle dreck at gamesradar. There are thousands of links to C&VG on Wikipedia. - hahnchen 16:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay, we need to move fast. Because I don't actually know this, when it goes down, will the Wayback Machine still work or will we have to use WebCite? I can do either, but I'd like to find out before I start archiving. (I think I've already gotten the 1UP, Allgame, and ONM links on most if not all of my GAs and FAs, and that wasn't much of a problem, but it looks like I'll be handling a lot more.) Tezero (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Wayback Machine works after the website's down, long as we archive before it dies. Can't say anything about WebCite, never used it. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Supernerd11 WebCite works for pages that are no longer stored by their site (NowGamer being a personal experience) and old urls, so I think it can store pages from dead sites. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I have a bit of time now so I'll get to archiving a few. Tezero (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@ProtoDrake: Alright, thanks. I'm busy with finals coming up, but I've been archiving a few AllGame URL's here and there; nice to know that WebCite can sometimes work for when Wayback Machine doesn't. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 00:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I have a custom python script I use to archive urls for my own articles, so if it's what we need I can run through this list and generate webarchive/webcite urls, then save them to a subpage somewhere. What I can't do is actually add archiveurls to the articles in question; I don't have a bot or any on-wiki scripting experience. Do we have a bot somewhere that can archive on demand? Do you guys want me to generate archiveurls to get manually placed into articles? --PresN 02:02, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I've looked and haven't found one yet. Is there some way you could combine your Python script with someone with some wiki-scripting experience to automatically archive urls (I have some HTML experience, but it'd take me quite a while to figure out how to do something of that scale)? Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 03:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's more urgent to make sure every link has an archive on the Wayback Machine than that this archive is being used in Wikipedia. >90% of the time the page has already been archived on Wayback anyway - I'm guessing they have a bot that crawls Wikipedia - and we can simply implement those archives after dealing with the remaining <10%. Tezero (talk) 03:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I started it running- the first ~60 are at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video_games/CVGurls; the rest of the ~3600 will be up when they get done tonight. Only delaying factor, besides loading the pages, is that webcite has a rate limiter that will cut me off after a while. --PresN 07:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
All 3159 links are archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/CVGurls. Since this was done automatically, it's possible that some of the archives are malformed (archived a 302 page or something), but if so they should be a small minority. We should now work out a way to get these archive links into the articles. --PresN 03:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Should we maybe keep a running tab of sites that are going/have recently gone black? AllGame and C&VG are shutting down, Official Nintendo Magazine did not that long ago, 1UP & UGO links 404 but the former still shows up in search engine results (at least with DuckDuckGo), so it couldn't've been that long since they shut down....we've got quite the situation on our hands. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 03:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Site closure confirmed - "The current site will be closed and some content migrated in to the new GamesRadar+." - hahnchen 00:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

It's affected Edge too...[edit]

Back in May, MCV reported that Future were planning on closing the Edge website along with C&VG. It's still there, but it's been given a redesign (yes, yet another one). Fortunately, most of the content I checked seems to still be online, but a lot of contributors' byline credits - whether to "Edge Staff" or a specific person - seem to have disappeared. (And not that this will affect Wikipedia references, but their switch to Disqus means user comments are gone too).

Links to used to automatically redirect to their equivalents, but no longer do so; fortunately, that first part of the URL seems to be all that you need to change in order for the link to work. (However, it seems it has to include the "www." at the start; omit it and you'll just be redirected to the site's main page.) --Nick RTalk 17:45, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Sigh... Okay, thanks for notifying. Are Wayback and WebCite up and running again? Tezero (talk) 01:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I tried them a while ago and nothing. It's proving very frustrating. Jaguar 01:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Health (gaming), Experience point and magic point[edit]

The article on health in gaming describes health as a value measured in health points or hit points. The articles on experience point and magic point describes their topic as a unit of measurement. Should we change the name of some of these articles so that they are consistant? I myself would prefer to make an article about the value itself, rather than the points used in measuring the value. Note that MP in particular is a very poor article, and EXP and HP are considered Start-class. Health also mentions a "Defense value". Opinions? ~Maplestrip (chat) 10:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I just found out that an article called Magic (gaming) does exist, but it seems to attempt to define the magic system used in video games. Interestingly, magic system is also for a large part about video games - perhaps the two should be merged? Both articles are in pretty poor quality... This might be an entirely different conversation, though, and I'd prefer to focus on my previous question. ~Maplestrip (chat) 15:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Looking around some more, I checked out the articles on statistic (role-playing games), and more specifically attribute (role-playing games). From here, it seems clear that Health and Magic are attributes as described by these articles: "An attribute describes to what extent a character possesses a natural, in-born characteristic common to all characters in the game."
Do note that this information isn't sourced, so it might as well be original research. I also don't know whether Experience would fall under this definition. Again, thoughts? I'm surprized that 5+ people congratulate a new administrator, but nobody seems to care about this issue... ~Maplestrip (chat) 11:33, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, you get some weird imbalances with what people respond to sometimes. Anyways, my thoughts: Magic system and Magic (gaming) should definitely be merged; while fantasy novels could have a magic system, that article does not talk about that at all and only looks at it from the perspective of gaming, so they're duplicates. I'd then keep health (gaming) and magic (gaming) names as they are- health is sometimes but not always measured in points, so defining it as a unit of measurement seems wrong, and the same goes for magic- magic is a game mechanic, that sometimes has points of mana associated with it. Experience point, on the other hand, should stay where it is- experience as a game mechanic is invariably measured in discrete quantities, so experience point is accurate. Finally, I agree with you- health and magic are attributes of a character, while exp isn't- level may be, but not the thing that fills up the bar. --PresN 18:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, just saw that magic point exists. Hmm. I don't really think that should be separate from magic (gaming), since it's intrinsically tied to it, and not that much can really be said about it that requires a separate article.
Experience Points may need a better name for the article, actually- it's really about character progression, and all the different types, including exp-based systems. Maybe rename it to Character progression (gaming), or something? --PresN 19:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Character progression can be about leveling, skill aquirements, stat improvement, but also story-based character development. Experience is focused on a specific numeric value that is common in many video games and as far as I know, role-playing games as well. :::::It might be an idea to focus on levels rather than experience, though, as gaining experience is all about going up a level. The level in this sense might be what the focus of the article should be about.
Either way, we have to figure out a way to approach these topics both encyclopedically and accurately, which is hard, because any game may use these common systems slightly differently. And, as you said, there isn't incredibly much to say about them. I'm really proud of my work on health (gaming), but that kind of information is way harder to find on MP... ~Maplestrip (chat) 19:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
To be clear here, though, what do you suggest to do with the whole magic situation? ~Maplestrip (chat) 19:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I think magic point, magic system, and magic (gaming) should be merged into magic (gaming). Magic system and magic (gaming) seem to be about the same thing, and I think magic (gaming) should discuss that magic points/mana are sometimes used to quantify how many spells can be cast/how much they cost. I agree with you about "character progression", what about "Leveling (gaming)"? My concern is that experience point starts off talking about that, but they spends a lot of time talking about leveling systems, some of which do not use experience points. --PresN 20:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree about magic, though a mass-merger will be tough to pull off. I might start a draft on Monday to collect all the references these articles have and put them together logically, but it'll be a lot of work.....
I think I support the idea of "leveling (gaming)" as an article to replace Experience. Leveling is something a player does in a game, a goal, so to speak. level (gaming), on the other hand, is the what you get. Obviously, however, that already exists in the form of areas and such, which is awkward to say the least. Hmm, level is a typical RPG-element, so perhaps "Level (role-playing games)" would work. Note that I include role-playing video games here as well. ~Maplestrip (chat) 20:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I did start working on a draft, User:Maplestrip/Magic (gaming), but finding sources is a disaster. Right now it is mostly a blank state, but if anyone could find somekind of source, that would be great. ~Mable (chat) 10:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

AllGame alert, Part II[edit]

Something terrible has happened. All of the AllGame links that we have archived until yesterday have been erased from existence! It's as if AllGame doesn't want us to remember all the reviews we have archived before the website closes! I have a sad feeling that we will never save AllGame before it shuts down! It just wanted to wipe out everything we have archived yesterday, and it did! Can't anyone do something? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Wait. Is it possible to re-archive them? Was it effected by robots.txt or something? This is very puzzling. GamerPro64 17:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
*Ron Paul face* I tried to warn you; WebCite is the way to go... But seriously, I don't think there's anything that can be done about these links for now, so we should focus on contacting Allgame or whomever else it might concern that Wikipedia very much appreciated its links while they lasted and can't access them now. Tezero (talk) 18:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, it is possible to re-archive them, but I'm afraid there's not enough time. In Mickey's Speedway USA, for example, the AllGame link is claimed to have been archived on "November 14, 2014". However, when I got to the archived link itself, it takes us all the way back to 2010! Same goes for the link I had archived earlier: it gets canceled out and erased from existence! If AllGame can't be saved before Friday, then you might as well remove "AllGame" from the list on this link here. Sometimes I even wonder why AllGame even bothered to show up on the code list in the first place. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, Hermes, this is just cataclysmic. The links not archived are still up, but WebCite isn't accepting them. Does anyone know of any archiving systems similar to WebCite that might work? Tezero (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, that's not all that's cataclysmic. Lately, all the links from other websites we have archived from October 2014 all the way to the present have been erased from existence as well! The link shown here has been moved all the way back to 2013! And when I access this link here, it is acting as if we never archived the links from October 2014 all the way to the present! That's strange! It seems that archived links are disappearing! When will the Wayback Machine be fixed? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Also bad. Sorry, I guess I wasn't able to empathize much at first because it's so rare that I'll stone-carve a site using the Wayback Machine for any date after, like, 2012. Regardless, in case the threshold climbs even earlier, maybe we should double-bag Waybacked links that are working using WebCite or something. I don't know. Tezero (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Redundant archiving is great in theory, but probably isn't very feasible due to the time factor. PresN in a similar conversation above (C&VG to die final death) said that he had a Python script that automatically archived links, then just put those on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/CVGurls for us to put into the articles at our leisure, but I'm not sure he'd be willing to take care of it every time a site goes down, which seems to be a frighteningly common occurrence. I've been slowly working on archiving some AllGame links, but I just don't have the time right now to be able to knock out a whole lot. If someone's got some bot experience, that'd be a great project for them to try and take care of, but my HTML knowledge is too limited to be of much use here. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
How have you been archiving Allgame links, Supernerd11? Have you checked to see that they're actually being committed? (WebCite turned out not I be for me.) Tezero (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I was just using Wayback Machine and doing the archiveurl-archivedate thingy in the refs. At the time, they were fine, but now that we're having the issues with it, I'm not sure my efforts will do any good (depending on what's going on exactly with Wayback). Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 16:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
To clarify about my script- given a list of urls in some format, it just runs through and finds the latest web.archive url that is returned for it, and if it gets the live site instead, it submits to webcite. Currently, it doesn't check if the web.archive returned an archive of a redirect, nor does it go back to check if the webcite archive failed or not- I wrote it intending it for individual articles, not lists of thousands of links. That said, I can totally adjust it to do those checks for problems like this, and run it before Friday if I have a list- it just runs itself, so it's not a big deal. The problem is that webcite cuts you off for 24 hours if you make more than a few hundred requests in a row, so best to get started early. I am willing to run it every time a site goes down- it runs itself, I just paste the results into a page, it's not a big deal. --PresN 18:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

It may only be temporary, but Wayback is working again. All those lost archive urls are back, from the few I've tested, including those linked above. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I can see that the links archived from October 2014 all the way to the present are back as well! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 15:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Just a bit of interesting reading on this topic: GameInformer feels our pain. --MASEM (t) 15:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Wayback Machine is acting up again since yesterday![edit]

I have more bad news. Lately, all the links from other websites we have archived from October 2014 all the way to the present have been erased from existence as well! The link shown here has been moved all the way back to 2013! And when I access this link here, it is acting as if we never archived the links from October 2014 all the way to the present! That's strange! When will the Wayback Machine be fixed? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

It could be a server glitch. Or a crash. Or something to do with the fund raising. I don't know who to ask. I see someone, possibly you, has posted to them about it in their forums. We'll likely get a reply. --ProtoDrake (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope so. And yes, I did post the guys at the forums about it too. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 23:22, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope people are now nervous about being over-reliant on one archive, and realise this is a serious issue. Wasn't there a plan to create an archival service specifically for Wikimedia sites by an editor? What happened to that plan? I'm pretty sure it was some Frenchman who had a little project going on or something. --benlisquareTCE 11:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


WebCite is acting strangely now too. I decided to give it a test after failing to archive a Famitsu link. When I tried to archive this IGN page (IGN has been accepted by WebCite in the past) and a page from Gematsu. They both sent back the message "When WebCite tried to archive the page, it received a document type that WebCite could not understand." Something is up with both Wayback and WebCite. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I experienced the same result. Maybe it'll be feeling better again today. I certainly do hope so. Tezero (talk) 16:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
WebCite is throwing an error when you try to archive something that they're out of disk space, while Wayback's twitter says that the storm in SanFran knocked out power to their data center there, so they're offline for the time being. I suspect that WebCite's problems are related. Just wait a couple days for them to get back up, I guess. --PresN 19:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Review Thread: Holiday Edition[edit]

2014 is almost over. But it doesn't mean that Wikipedia ceases from article work. So if you're free and interested, please look at this nominated articles:

  • Sega Saturn has been nominated since November 17th with only one Support in it.
  • Freedom Planet has been nominated since November 19th with also one Support.
  • Jumping Flash! has been nominated since December 17th with no comments.
Peer Review

Now for the articles currently nominated at GAN that haven't been reviewed of right now

And there's the daily reminder that Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests has been backlogged since 2011. If you're interested in making any of the articles on the list, go right ahead. GamerPro64 02:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Begging/bribing/collusion section[edit]

I'll kick off the review trading! If any of you could find it in your heart to review my Hugo Award for Best Fancast FLC, even though it's in no way related to video games, I'll do you a review back (or owe you one for later, if you'd like). --PresN 02:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll do it if you can take the time to review Mussie or E language. They're both short, easy reads also unrelated to games - the first about an obscure legendary lake monster in Canada and the second about an obscure creole language in Southern China - but they've been languishing at GAN since the late Bronze Age. Tezero (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Reviewed Mussie; it's only been there 5 weeks, and E 2.5, so not exactly bronze age- Idolmaster up there's been waiting for 2 months! --PresN 19:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Ooh, ouch. I didn't want to do that one since I reviewed The Idolmaster Dearly Stars and the series ought to get some fresh eyes, but I'll take your list. Thanks! Tezero (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope no-one minds, but I decided to relieve Tezero of the problem of no fresh eyes by taking on the Idolmaster nomination, since I'm a total novice to the series. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
...While we're here, anyone want to trade a review for E? It's okay if you're not familiar with language articles - could be advantageous, actually. Tezero (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
...Eh, what the hell; Scribblenauts has sat on the toy shelf long enough. Happy Hanukkah. Tezero (talk) 01:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC) GamerPro seems to have one-upped me. You're the lucky child, Loved! Tezero (talk) 01:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Might as well. Gotta pay my due here sometimes. GamerPro64 01:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I will add at least some basic plots and gameplay of some games.[edit]

I will do so. Please give me some articles to work with for such thing. I want to help Wikipedia become much better. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Qwertyxp2000, these articles all have very little written in them so far. I'm not really interested in writing about them for the most part, because they tend to be sports, tabletop-style, or just from the '80s (I play basically nothing from before the SNES/Genesis), but any of these would be a great place to start. Often sites like IGN and GameSpot will have reviews or articles on them that you can use as sources. Tezero (talk) 23:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
What I am saying is to give me some articles that need a plot or gameplay added to it. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
...That's what these are, Qwertyxp2000. Take Absolute Zero (video game), for example: almost nothing is written. Tezero (talk) 23:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Perfect example. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Where is the table that shows which websites are reliable when it comes to video games? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
There, on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources.

Original games StoryBundle returns[edit]

Heads up that the original video games StoryBundle has made a return, for those that missed it (including me—I previously lamented somewhere in the WTVG archives). Expires in a week. Link is

Books include:

The Making of Karateka by Jordan Mechner

Kill Screen Issue 2: Back to School by Kill Screen Magazine

Confessions of the Game Doctor by Bill Kunkel

Constellation Games by Leonard Richardson

Killing is Harmless by Brendan Keogh

Generation Xbox: How Videogames Invaded Hollywood by Jamie Russell

Videogames: In the Beginning by Ralph H. Baer

The Making of Prince of Persia by Jordan Mechner

Phoenix: The Fall and Rise of Videogames by Leonard Herman

Haven't looked into the reliability and potential WP of each of the titles, so feel free to do that and report back, if you're interested. Would be worth adding these to our WP library czar  03:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I seem to remember something about Phoenix alongside others like Game Over: How Nintendo Conquered the World in a discussion here a while ago, and the Ralph Baer one would probably be reliable. Constellation Games is fiction, so that's obviously out. The others are all nonfiction, but I dunno about their reliability. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Excuse me, I accidentally deleted SuperNerd's post due to a conflict. I just returned it ~Mable (chat) 15:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

So beautiful, so free use[edit]

Apple used the mobile multiplayer online battle arena game Vainglory (Halcyon Fold map pictured) to demonstrate Metal's graphics capabilities at the iPhone 6's September 2014 announcement event.[1]
  1. ^ McWhertor, Michael (September 9, 2014). "This is the game Apple used to show off iPhone 6". Polygon. Vox Media. Archived from the original on September 9, 2014. Retrieved September 9, 2014. 

Had to share this score (Halcyon Fold map from mobile MOBA Vainglory). Let me know if you have other ideas on how we can use it. (Yes, I'm already aware of at least one way.) czar  03:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

...Wow, that is gorgeous, easily deserving a rare spot in my art collection alongside the Jackson Pollocks and scrawlings by literal four-year-olds (still mix 'em up). Doesn't quite turn me onto MOBAs, but now I can move them from the scorpion pit to the non-sexy whipping dungeon. Any articles related to MOBAs or their related game mechanics would be obvious candidates, and because it's such a niche, new genre, you won't be running into the kind of screenshot warring I did at Platform game. Maybe even the iPhone 6 article could work. Tezero (talk) 04:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't that make the first video game screenshot to be featured? I very much approve of that :3 About how to actually use it, we can't just haphazardly slap it onto any article in which is kinda makes sense. I don't know too much about MOBAs, what exactly is happening in this scene? Is this the full level map? What are the purple things on each side of the map? How many players are shown? I think this picture could probably be used in MOBA, though I don't think placing it this big is according to Wikipedia's guidelines... ~Mable (chat) 08:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I know there was one a while ago for some mobile game, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. Something about a skateboarding kid fighting zombies, I think. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
About a month ago, I was checking out basically all featured images of the past year, but I didn't find any game-related ones. Not even a person! Don't we keep track of our own featured images, though? ~Mable (chat) 14:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Yep: WP:VG/FC#Featured_pictures czar  14:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, haha. I just came back to say that I only managed to find the formerly featured image, [2]. Looks like I just had to scroll up a bit to find the current ones. That reminds me, though, how would [3] do as a featured image? ~Mable (chat) 14:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
There was consensus against making the animation a FP last time, but it's possible that feelings have changed czar  16:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and appended the OTRS tag so it's all legitimate. Great scoop. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 00:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

GDC Vault[edit]

I realise it's a long shot, but I'm wondering if anyone here has a subscription to the GDC Vault? There's a lot of resources over there that could really help me, but unfortunately I can't afford to pay the hefty subscription fee. If you have a subscription, please let me know. Thanks! -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 10:00, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014 on the main page[edit]

We're almost done with 2014. But we're still getting our articles on the main page. Starting on the 19th, List of Key video games will be that days "Today's Featured List". As well, on the 30th, Thief II: The Metal Age will be that days "Today's Featured Article". And as always, keep your eyes peeled on vandalism. GamerPro64 00:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Congrats to (Juhachi) for List of Key video games, and JimmyBlackwing for Thief II! --PresN 19:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The article was a lot of fun to write, and I'm glad that more people will get to read about such an interesting subject. And I'm beyond honored that so many articles I've worked on (four!) have hit TFA this year—it's been wild. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. This kind of came out of left field since I wasn't the one who nominated it. It's the first, and will probably be the last, article I have a hand in that appears on the main page. Unless I somehow get one of those articles on the list up to FA.-- 21:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U passed its retention[edit]

If anyone is willing to do the work to get Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U prepared for WP:GAN, please do so soon, as it has passed its its retention period for Wikipedia:Featured topics/Super Smash Bros. series. The article already appears to be in excellent shape, so there is probably little that needs to be done to make it a Good Article, and it would be a shame to demote the topic only to promote it at a later date.-- 21:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)