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C&VG to die final death[edit]

According to MCV, Future will be closing down C&VG.[1] No official word from Future yet, so no details on what will happen to the website, but I won't be surprised if the content disappears and the site just redirects to the listicle dreck at gamesradar. There are thousands of links to C&VG on Wikipedia. - hahnchen 16:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay, we need to move fast. Because I don't actually know this, when it goes down, will the Wayback Machine still work or will we have to use WebCite? I can do either, but I'd like to find out before I start archiving. (I think I've already gotten the 1UP, Allgame, and ONM links on most if not all of my GAs and FAs, and that wasn't much of a problem, but it looks like I'll be handling a lot more.) Tezero (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Wayback Machine works after the website's down, long as we archive before it dies. Can't say anything about WebCite, never used it. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Supernerd11 WebCite works for pages that are no longer stored by their site (NowGamer being a personal experience) and old urls, so I think it can store pages from dead sites. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I have a bit of time now so I'll get to archiving a few. Tezero (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@ProtoDrake: Alright, thanks. I'm busy with finals coming up, but I've been archiving a few AllGame URL's here and there; nice to know that WebCite can sometimes work for when Wayback Machine doesn't. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 00:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I have a custom python script I use to archive urls for my own articles, so if it's what we need I can run through this list and generate webarchive/webcite urls, then save them to a subpage somewhere. What I can't do is actually add archiveurls to the articles in question; I don't have a bot or any on-wiki scripting experience. Do we have a bot somewhere that can archive on demand? Do you guys want me to generate archiveurls to get manually placed into articles? --PresN 02:02, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I've looked and haven't found one yet. Is there some way you could combine your Python script with someone with some wiki-scripting experience to automatically archive urls (I have some HTML experience, but it'd take me quite a while to figure out how to do something of that scale)? Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 03:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's more urgent to make sure every link has an archive on the Wayback Machine than that this archive is being used in Wikipedia. >90% of the time the page has already been archived on Wayback anyway - I'm guessing they have a bot that crawls Wikipedia - and we can simply implement those archives after dealing with the remaining <10%. Tezero (talk) 03:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I started it running- the first ~60 are at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video_games/CVGurls; the rest of the ~3600 will be up when they get done tonight. Only delaying factor, besides loading the pages, is that webcite has a rate limiter that will cut me off after a while. --PresN 07:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
All 3159 links are archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/CVGurls. Since this was done automatically, it's possible that some of the archives are malformed (archived a 302 page or something), but if so they should be a small minority. We should now work out a way to get these archive links into the articles. --PresN 03:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Should we maybe keep a running tab of sites that are going/have recently gone black? AllGame and C&VG are shutting down, Official Nintendo Magazine did not that long ago, 1UP & UGO links 404 but the former still shows up in search engine results (at least with DuckDuckGo), so it couldn't've been that long since they shut down....we've got quite the situation on our hands. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 03:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Site closure confirmed - "The current site will be closed and some content migrated in to the new GamesRadar+." - hahnchen 00:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

It's affected Edge too...[edit]

Back in May, MCV reported that Future were planning on closing the Edge website along with C&VG. It's still there, but it's been given a redesign (yes, yet another one). Fortunately, most of the content I checked seems to still be online, but a lot of contributors' byline credits - whether to "Edge Staff" or a specific person - seem to have disappeared. (And not that this will affect Wikipedia references, but their switch to Disqus means user comments are gone too).

Links to used to automatically redirect to their equivalents, but no longer do so; fortunately, that first part of the URL seems to be all that you need to change in order for the link to work. (However, it seems it has to include the "www." at the start; omit it and you'll just be redirected to the site's main page.) --Nick RTalk 17:45, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Sigh... Okay, thanks for notifying. Are Wayback and WebCite up and running again? Tezero (talk) 01:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I tried them a while ago and nothing. It's proving very frustrating. Jaguar 01:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Review Thread: Holiday Edition[edit]

2014 is almost over. But it doesn't mean that Wikipedia ceases from article work. So if you're free and interested, please look at this nominated articles:

  • Sega Saturn has been nominated since November 17th with only one Support in it.
  • Freedom Planet has been nominated since November 19th with also one Support.
  • Jumping Flash! has been nominated since December 17th with no comments.
Peer Review

Now for the articles currently nominated at GAN that haven't been reviewed of right now

And there's the daily reminder that Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests has been backlogged since 2011. If you're interested in making any of the articles on the list, go right ahead. GamerPro64 02:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Begging/bribing/collusion section[edit]

I'll kick off the review trading! If any of you could find it in your heart to review my Hugo Award for Best Fancast FLC, even though it's in no way related to video games, I'll do you a review back (or owe you one for later, if you'd like). --PresN 02:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll do it if you can take the time to review Mussie or E language. They're both short, easy reads also unrelated to games - the first about an obscure legendary lake monster in Canada and the second about an obscure creole language in Southern China - but they've been languishing at GAN since the late Bronze Age. Tezero (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Reviewed Mussie; it's only been there 5 weeks, and E 2.5, so not exactly bronze age- Idolmaster up there's been waiting for 2 months! --PresN 19:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Ooh, ouch. I didn't want to do that one since I reviewed The Idolmaster Dearly Stars and the series ought to get some fresh eyes, but I'll take your list. Thanks! Tezero (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope no-one minds, but I decided to relieve Tezero of the problem of no fresh eyes by taking on the Idolmaster nomination, since I'm a total novice to the series. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
...While we're here, anyone want to trade a review for E? It's okay if you're not familiar with language articles - could be advantageous, actually. Tezero (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
...Eh, what the hell; Scribblenauts has sat on the toy shelf long enough. Happy Hanukkah. Tezero (talk) 01:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC) GamerPro seems to have one-upped me. You're the lucky child, Loved! Tezero (talk) 01:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Might as well. Gotta pay my due here sometimes. GamerPro64 01:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone stop over at Freedom Planet '​s FAC? It's almost halfway through the Older nominations section and only has one support and JimmyBlackwing's mostly finished review. As always, I'll gladly take one of yours in exchange. Tezero (talk) 16:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Proteus is up at FAC for the 3rd time, if it isn't promoted due to lack of response again I think I'm going to give up! Sam Walton (talk) 17:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

So beautiful, so free use[edit]

Apple used the mobile multiplayer online battle arena game Vainglory (Halcyon Fold map pictured) to demonstrate Metal's graphics capabilities at the iPhone 6's September 2014 announcement event.[1]
  1. ^ McWhertor, Michael (September 9, 2014). "This is the game Apple used to show off iPhone 6". Polygon. Vox Media. Archived from the original on September 9, 2014. Retrieved September 9, 2014. 

Had to share this score (Halcyon Fold map from mobile MOBA Vainglory). Let me know if you have other ideas on how we can use it. (Yes, I'm already aware of at least one way.) czar  03:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

...Wow, that is gorgeous, easily deserving a rare spot in my art collection alongside the Jackson Pollocks and scrawlings by literal four-year-olds (still mix 'em up). Doesn't quite turn me onto MOBAs, but now I can move them from the scorpion pit to the non-sexy whipping dungeon. Any articles related to MOBAs or their related game mechanics would be obvious candidates, and because it's such a niche, new genre, you won't be running into the kind of screenshot warring I did at Platform game. Maybe even the iPhone 6 article could work. Tezero (talk) 04:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't that make the first video game screenshot to be featured? I very much approve of that :3 About how to actually use it, we can't just haphazardly slap it onto any article in which is kinda makes sense. I don't know too much about MOBAs, what exactly is happening in this scene? Is this the full level map? What are the purple things on each side of the map? How many players are shown? I think this picture could probably be used in MOBA, though I don't think placing it this big is according to Wikipedia's guidelines... ~Mable (chat) 08:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I know there was one a while ago for some mobile game, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. Something about a skateboarding kid fighting zombies, I think. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 14:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
About a month ago, I was checking out basically all featured images of the past year, but I didn't find any game-related ones. Not even a person! Don't we keep track of our own featured images, though? ~Mable (chat) 14:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Yep: WP:VG/FC#Featured_pictures czar  14:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, haha. I just came back to say that I only managed to find the formerly featured image, [2]. Looks like I just had to scroll up a bit to find the current ones. That reminds me, though, how would [3] do as a featured image? ~Mable (chat) 14:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
There was consensus against making the animation a FP last time, but it's possible that feelings have changed czar  16:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and appended the OTRS tag so it's all legitimate. Great scoop. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 00:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014 on the main page[edit]

We're almost done with 2014. But we're still getting our articles on the main page. Starting on the 19th, List of Key video games will be that days "Today's Featured List". As well, on the 30th, Thief II: The Metal Age will be that days "Today's Featured Article". And as always, keep your eyes peeled on vandalism. GamerPro64 00:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Congrats to (Juhachi) for List of Key video games, and JimmyBlackwing for Thief II! --PresN 19:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The article was a lot of fun to write, and I'm glad that more people will get to read about such an interesting subject. And I'm beyond honored that so many articles I've worked on (four!) have hit TFA this year—it's been wild. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. This kind of came out of left field since I wasn't the one who nominated it. It's the first, and will probably be the last, article I have a hand in that appears on the main page. Unless I somehow get one of those articles on the list up to FA.-- 21:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
FA isn't an insurmountable task, Juhachi, at least not for subjects like these that appear to have plenty written about them. Nominate one if you're interested. Most of my FAs are on topics people would normally have settled for GA with or wouldn't have bothered with at all. Tezero (talk) 16:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U passed its retention[edit]

If anyone is willing to do the work to get Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U prepared for WP:GAN, please do so soon, as it has passed its its retention period for Wikipedia:Featured topics/Super Smash Bros. series. The article already appears to be in excellent shape, so there is probably little that needs to be done to make it a Good Article, and it would be a shame to demote the topic only to promote it at a later date.-- 21:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I have more time than I did recently, so I can help out a little tonight. Yeah, not much work is really needed. Tezero (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
As a non-major contributor who's only rewritten the intro and done a few minor formatting fixes, I've gone ahead and nominated it. If anyone feels it is not ready, they may review accordingly, but please do not simply remove the GAN template just because I'm not a major contributor; I'm willing to make any needed fixes now and no major contributors have given any interest in nominating it themselves. Tezero (talk) 21:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

WebCite issues[edit]

WebCite has just today been throwing up a message when I try to access archived pages: "Warning: readfile(/home/webcita/public_html/cache2/2010/08/17/09322489076682a3049cbf532f9c879466c4d9e5) [function.readfile]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/webcita/public_html/mainframe.php on line 141" Something is badly wrong. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Reads like the database is offline or overloaded. It'll probably come back on shortly. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 20:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
As a faint glimmer of hope, Wayback seems to be up again. Tezero (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

A Merry Christmas to you[edit]

Not necessarily pertinent to a current gaming issue, but I thought it would be nice to wish Jaguar, PresN, CR4ZE, Tintor2, Sjones23, Xiomicronpi, Tezero, Czar Judgesurreal777, Crisco 1492, Nikkimaria, Gerda Arendt and Sergecross73, who have helped me repeatedly throughout the year on my various editing endeavors for the project, a very Happy Christmas and New Year. I, of course, also extend greetings to the other members of this project, but I felt the above deserved special mention. I could not have done so much this year without their help and encouragement. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I've enjoyed working with you too, and I hope to continue to do so in the coming year! Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
So what gives - newcomers don't deserve special mention!? Hihi, merry Christmas to all of you as well, and I will be looking forward to work with you all whenever some of you happen to end up at a tiny game mechanics no one cares about :) Happy new year! ~Mable (chat) 17:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I started this little section in the hopes that others would send greetings to whoever they wanted to. Yours are much appreciated, and welcome to the project. If I have encountered you before, then forgive my forgetfulness. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Not that I am aware, so your forgetfulness is forgiven. Still, don't let it happen again! On a more serious note, thank you for the warm welcome. ~Mable (chat) 18:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Merry Christmas all! I hope to start writing some video game content again in the new year, I've been slacking recently :) Sam Walton (talk) 18:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, now that I think about it it's been ages since I've nominated a video game GAN that I worked on entirely myself. Might be refreshing to pop out a quick one sometime soon. Happy holidays, everyone, and thanks for thinking of me, ProtoDrake! Tezero (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Merry Christmas to everyone in the project. Here's to another year of articles being made presentable. And to another year of potential new members on the site and project. GamerPro64 20:00, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the mention! It has been an honour working with all you guys this year (coming back from the dead from 2011). See you next year. Jaguar 00:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the mention. Hope everyone has a joyous holiday season, and a happy New Year! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as you lot have forgotten about them... as usual. Happy Christmas to all the WP:VG WikiGnomes, this place would have crumbled years ago without you. - X201 (talk) 09:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks everybody. I look forward to a good merry christmas.20:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)Tintor2 (talk)
  • Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate to everyone here! --PresN 22:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Holiday wishes![edit]

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WikiProject Video games, thank you for making this another fantastic year!

I hope you will find joy and serenity for 2015, and I am looking forward to our continued efforts in making Wikipedia ever better! Y'all deserve more glory and cheers than I could ever put into words. *hug* :)

  • Salvidrim!, once again feeling lucky to be a part of this amazing project!

Magic in gaming[edit]

The original topic was swept away during archiving, but I still don't know what to do with this, so I'll just ask again. We currently have the following three articles:

Magic system is technically about magic in fiction, but focuses mostly on magic in gaming. I want to combine these thee articles into User:Maplestrip/Magic (gaming). This article would then fit well with Health (gaming), explaining the concept as a mechanic simulating magic. However, I have a hard time finding sources and would like some help. I also can't exactly go to these articles and say "so, I'm now nominating these three articles for deletion." Do you guys support me doing this? ~Mable (chat) 10:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it would be nominating those articles for deletion, it'd be merging bits of them into the proposed article. To me there is a lot f duplication between them so a merge seems to make sense. As for sources, sadly I don't think there are many good sources on these essentially basic components of game design; they often get overlooked. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I know how hard it is to find sources on these things - they are my favorite kind of articles :p Of course it would be a merge, but that's just semantics. I'm afraid there isn't much quality content in those articles and I've already implemented everything useful I could find in them that wasn't original research. I was hoping I could find some help, though, because the current situation is just painful to watch and the draft still needs expanding... ~Mable (chat) 17:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The problem with these kind of articles is that they are about a very generic and loosely-defined concept that varies from one game to another, so that's why it is hard to expand them without original research. My suggestion? Explain the magic points, magic, and magic system of a game in the gameplay section of its corresponding article, and merge the few bits of "generic stuff" to Role-playing video game under the Character actions and abilities subsection. Then, you can get rid of these three useless articles. --Niwi3 (talk) 11:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

After some more work, I managed to find the amount of references needed for a decent article. It sadly still doesn't discuss magic potions or even mentions that magic in this sense could imply any kind of energy-powered ability. However, I just haven't been able to find the needed sources for that. I moved (and replaced) my draft to Magic (gaming), which had a "complete rewrite" tag on it anyway. Right now I'm simply just thinking about requesting deletion for the other two articles, which would solve this issue. It might be hard to expand these articles without resorting to original research, but it definitely isn't impossible. EDIT: I managed to find a whole page in Ernest Adams' book on magic, so I've got those issues out of the way now too. ~Mable (chat) 13:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Speed Freak - New Sources[edit]

This is a quick FYI for anyone wanting to improve the Speed Freak article. I've located a few items including a scanned copy of the manual at the Internet Archive that could be used to expand the article, I've placed all of them in the external links section of the article. Graham1973 (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Gameplay .gifs[edit]

Do .gif files need to be freely licensed like videos or can we use short clips under fair use? I've just seen File:Galak-Z_GIF_3.gif and would love to add something like it to other game articles. Sam Walton (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

My understanding is that animated GIFs are treated like videos for the purposes of fair use. Only conversation I've really seen about video fair use in video game articles was at the Dishonored FAC—mainly about justifying the length and context of the clip and so on. So, yes, it's possible but complicated. I like asking indie devs for GIFs because I tend to get them and they're a little more accessible than videos and their open file types. Let me know if you'd like a hand contacting devs czar  20:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Interesting, could you send me an example of how you usually ask? It would be useful if I consider it. Sam Walton (talk) 21:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC)