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WikiProject University of Virginia was marked as inactive[edit]

I just wanted to drop a note that WikiProject University of Virginia was recentlymarked as inactive. I recommend pulling it in as a task force of this project. --Kumioko (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Oops per above it looks like this came up before. I will add it to the template in the next few days. --Kumioko (talk) 14:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I support the folding of WP:UVA into WP:VIRGINIA. - NeutralhomerTalk • 19:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Just please, do me a favor, don't turn the WP:VIRGINIA talk page template into the template for WP:US pages like WP:WV, as those are really hard to understand and use. - NeutralhomerTalk • 19:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
No problem. I'll just add the project. If you want to add other paramaters later you can. --Kumioko (talk) 19:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Apparently someone beat me to back in September. Since the UVA and Abemarle county projects now fall under Virgnia would it be ok if I ran my bot against the articles with the Templates for Abemarle county and UVA to reflect the correct template? It shouldn't take it more than a few hours and then it'll be done. --Kumioko (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. Bots away! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok I'll fire it up later today. --Kumioko (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Okie Dokie, thanks! :) Once you are done, you can redirect WP:UVA and WP:ALBEMARLE to WP:VIRGINIA, pretty much completing the move. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 12:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Will do. That bots running now. One things I noticed is that WPAlbemarle county has a biography parameter VA doesn't seem to have. I left it in place for now but I can easily remove it later if the project doesn't want it. --Kumioko (talk) 15:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Actually I think the biography parameter is a good idea for all WP:VIRGINIA templates. I am heading to bed now (I'm a night owl), so I will check on the progress of the bot later and any other posts. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 15:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok bots all done. Please let me know if you find any problems. If you would like me to add the biography parameter to the VA articles just let me know and I'll put in a bot request for it. VA's got quite a few articles so it would likely take the bot a couple days to get through them all. --Kumioko (talk) 03:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Edward Hill (politician)[edit]

This appears to be his son, buried at Shirley Plantation, who was also a Speaker of the House of Burgesses (1691), and colonel, etc. The son is mentioned in passing in Shirley Plantation, but no mention of notability. Edward Hill, Jr. is a redlink in the List of Speakers of the Virginia House of Burgesses template, but burial as Edward Hill II. At the list, Speakership is (1684), but blanks leave open the possibility of multiple periods. As the main editor of the Edward Hill (politician) page & the template is inactive, I am hoping someone here can move forward with this. Dru of Id (talk) 09:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month[edit]

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Virginia will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Virginia's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 00:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Naming the high-density corridor in Arlington County?[edit]

Hi everyone. I'm looking for any comments or suggestions on the best way to refer to the high-density corridor along Wilson Blvd, Clarendon Blvd, and Fairfax Dr, including Rosslyn, Courthouse, Clarendon, and Virginia Square. Is it appropriate to call this "Arlington County downtown", and if not, is there a better term? Here is the photo which illustrates the topic.--MrPanyGoff (talk) 22:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Virginia geography stubs reorganization[edit]

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Greetings from GLAM-Wiki US[edit]

Invitation to join GLAM-Wiki US

Hello! This WikiProject aligns closely with the work of the GLAM-Wiki initiative (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums), a global community of volunteers who assist cultural institutions with sharing resources with Wikimedia. GLAM-Wiki US is a new community initiative focused on organizing cultural collaborations within the United States. GLAM organizations are diverse and span numerous topics, from libraries and art museums to science centers and historic sites. We currently have a backlog of interested institutions- and we need your help!

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We hope you'll join the growing GLAM-Wiki community in the US. Thank you!
-Lori Phillips (Talk), US Cultural Partnerships Coordinator
For more information visit→ The GLAM:US portal or GLAM-Wiki on Outreach

Tracy Thorne-Begland[edit]

I've started an article on the Tracy Thorne-Begland dust-up if anybody's interested in contributing. It's far from complete, but I'm well past my bedtime. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 09:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Red dot map for Williamsburg[edit]


Does anyone here edit those red dot maps that appear on every city/county article? The one for Williamsburg has been incorrect, indicating York County instead, since 2005 (!) and asking on the article's talk page and the talk page of the user who made the map have not been fruitful. I haven't found any sort of centralized red-dot-map task force to complain to and lack the know-how to do it myself, so does anyone here edit the things or know how they're made? Thanks! Hiyayaywhopee (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

If someone lives in the area of or happens to be passing through New Market, Virginia, there is a historical marker on US-11 that marks the birthplace of John Sevier, and we're trying to get a photo of this marker for Sevier's article. If you can get a photo of this, add it to the article's "Early life" section (be sure to left-align it). Bms4880 (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Will this do? - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
This one is from the Virginia Department of Historic Resources, a division of the Commonwealth of Virginia. - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Either will do, if there are no copyright conflicts with these sites. Bms4880 (talk) 20:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I would go with the Commonwealth of Virginia one. Since it is a picture taken by the state for the state, that one should be able to be used with no problems. We have an editor headed toward that area in the next couple months and he can get a clearer picture for you to use then. - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I can wait until then. I prefer we have our own original. Just add it to the article or let me know when it's uploaded. Bms4880 (talk) 21:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Okie Dokie, I will let you know when I know. :) If you are in need of any information from Virginia about John Sevier, please let me know. I am in the vicinity of New Market, VA so I can help with the Virginia part of any information you need. - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion regarding removal of verified content, change in scope, NPOV[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:You didn't build that#Removed verified content. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Alben W. Barkley[edit]

An RFC on whether this article is too long and contains too many references has been opened. You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Alben W. Barkley#RFC. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:40, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate lists of mayors[edit]

See Talk:List of mayors of Alexandria, Virginia#Duplicate_list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Stafford, Virginia[edit]

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Stafford, Virginia regarding the page "Stafford, Virginia." Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Tyrol5 [Talk] 01:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Assessing the importance of populated places in VA[edit]

Given the recent burst of activity by our colleague User:Rklear, the assessments and scope of this project have been greatly cleaned up. However, one thing that has never been consistent or entirely clear is how we rate the assessment "importance" of cities, towns and other occupied places. On the one hand, it's probably not a very important issue, given that project participents and other editors will presumably work on whatever happens to interest them. On the other hand, it does seem like we ought to have some modicum of uniformity in our relative assessments. Clearly Richmond and other big cities are presumably assessed as "top" or "high" importance for the project. However, I've come to see that there are literally thousands of smaller populated areas - towns, unincorporated communities, census designated places etc. I used to assume that any populated place should be assessed as mid importance or higher. However, I am starting to think that's excessive and could potentially water down the scope of this project too much.

Anyone else have any thoughts or experience on this?--Kubigula (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to note what I have done recently in this area, I rated every county and independent city article as high importance, and every incorporated town as mid. (That's roughly 330-340 articles, total.) I generally haven't touched the CDPs or unincorporated communities. I tend to think that the state's basic geography is something only this project is likely to work on, as opposed to other types of articles (biographies, businesses, etc.) that will attract editors with those specific interests, so articles like this should have relatively higher importance for us.
By the way, if anyone out there is looking for a thankless task to take on, many if not most of these articles either still contain 2000 census data, or a mixture of 2000 and 2010. Also, changing these numbers at random seems to be a common form of entertainment for IPs. If you'd like to earn a barnstar or two, updating these stats would be a way to do it. Rklear (talk) 13:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I Agree with Rklear, counties and cities should be high importance, towns as mid. I have always thought that, unless particularly notable, unincorporated communities should be listed as low, but I do not know what the common practice is. I think the update to the 2010 census is an important thing that needs to be done, and I have updated a few pages with full 2010 census data. I will try to update some more in the coming months. - MountainRail (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you to Rklear and MountainRail for the input. Seems like we can agree that the CDPs or unincorporated communities with larger populations or other significance (historical eg), should be at least mid importance. I'm probably leaning low importance on sparsely populated areas with no significant history.--Kubigula (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

In many important ways, there is little need to rate the "importance" of articles. Kubigula, you had it mostly right in your earlier days. Readers presumably will read what they want or need to read whether it is about Virginia Beach or Ruther Glen. Ruther Glen is more important to the student who has been asked to write an article about Ruther Glen, for instance. The reader decides what is important. The assessments will tend to be counterproductive in many ways, including discouraging contributors and diverting the time of those making assessments from the more critical effort of editing. Instead of (perhaps unintentionally) tearing down contributors, please make suggestions for improvement, or actually improve the material, correct the material, contribute the missing material, etc. The worst thing to do is to suggest that articles about small places are unimportant or not well written. From observation it appears those grading the projects have a hard time separating the two assessment categories (at least when the place is small. I would posit that suggesting that an article about a smaller place is unimportant and of low quality can be seen as academically dishonest, because one has to wonder under the approach taken how a low importance article ever could be well written. I encourage more emphasis on fixing articles and less time spent on passing judgement on them. (If the assessment is intended primarily to guide editors to the more "important" pages, then to some extent I would agree with a ranking for the editors to head to the big cities and other big places first, because they presumably will get the most readers. But the system should be much less judgmental in tone. "Importance" is a word easily misunderstood.) Thanks. DBK (talk) 01:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
DBK, you make excellent points - some of which I have wrestled with as well. Personally, I have found the rating system useful as a way to try to get a handle on exactly what is covered by the project and to get some prioritization on which articles need work. While doing some of the assessing work, I have learned a tremendous amount about Virginia, and I think I have made many little improvements to many articles along the way (articles that I otherwise would never have touched). At the same time, many of the distinctions are pretty arbitrary, and I would hate to discourage any potential editor based on one of these distinctions. I would be all for a less judgmental rating system, but I'm fairly certain it's Wikipedia wide and not something we can change for this project alone.--Kubigula (talk) 03:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject ACC[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that I am trying to reinvigorate the ACC Wikiproject. Please feel free to stop by for a look. CrazyPaco (talk) 08:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


As a current or past contributor to a Atlantic Coast Conference-related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject ACC, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the ACC and its member institutions. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! CrazyPaco (talk) 08:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for John Allen Muhammad [edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, John Allen Muhammad , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Philip Ludwell Sr. and Jr.[edit]

There is a current question at talk:Philip Ludwell#Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1695 - Ludwell Senior or Junior? about whether Ludwell or his son and namesake served as Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1695-6. Any input from members of this group would be welcome. Rklear (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


Would anyone have objections to removing the late User:Vaoverland from the Members list and putting him in a separate section titled "Members emeritus"? I think it's a bit misleading to leave a user known to be deceased on the active member list, but I also think it's appropriate to remember his contributions to the project. Rklear (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Given how much Vaoverland did for this project and Wikipedia more broadly, I think that would be a very appropriate tribute while letting other users know he is no longer available to help.Morgan Riley (talk) 02:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
No objections here, I think it is a great idea. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead with this. If anyone has further comments, please let me know here. Rklear (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Portal reactivated in a new, no-maintenance form![edit]

I've been working to reactivate the Portal:Virginia into a mostly self-sustaining randomized form. Namely, instead of manual updates which there doesn't seem enough interest in, there will be a randomized display of selected content, drawn from a sufficient quantity of pre-loaded content that will be added (or at least attempt to be added). This will hopefully provide a springboard for people generally interested in the topic, while requiring far less maintenance that doesn't seem to exist. Anyone who wants to help nominate or select content please drop by, or just drop ideas here as its rather dead on the talk page there. However, the page-hit counter recorded a general range of about 14-35 hits a day at the portal, so while not spectacular, it means several hundred visitors a month wanting info on Virginia in general, and it isn't unreasonable to think that a one-time push and subsequent would do a lot of good in the long-run.

Also on that note, would anyone object to a style and design update on this WikiProject's pages? Morgan Riley (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Great idea. It had bothered me that the portal was inactive, and I had thought about suggesting its deletion. However, this is a much better solution. Thanks Morgan!--Kubigula (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
The redesign looks good for a start, but the Discussion tab is redundant with the Talk tab that exists on every Wikipedia page. Do we really need it? Rklear (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I was merely mimicking some other projects, but no, I concur that it is redundant, so done. Let me know of any other features or consolidation I can do; programming templates and visual design is quite fun to me! Morgan Riley (talk) 20:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Neighborhoods of Arlington County[edit]

Are the Neighborhoods of Arlington County unincorporated communities? {{Arlington County, Virginia}} lists them as unincorporated communities, but the articles themselves (expect Arlington Ridge, Virginia) don't call them "unincorporated communities", they call them neighborhoods (tough neighborhood and unincorporated community might not be multiply excessive). Most of the titles are in a "X, Arlington, Virginia" format, but if these are unincorporated communities then the template is fine and the pages should probably be modified to "X, Virginia" just like every other unincorporated community, city, etc.

If these are not unincorporated communities, but mere neighborhoods, then the template will probably need to be changed to more of a "neighborhoods in a city" format. I don't know what the titles should be in that case, but if we're going to have "Arlington" in the title it should probably be changed to "Arlington County" to match the parent page. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 16:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It appears to me that the template title already says "Arlington County". This template model is standard for counties across the United States, and most of them seem to use the term "unincorporated communities". Arlington County is a bit of a odd duck, as it is a quasi-city that refuses to incorporate, so a variation may be in order, but I would look for more consensus on that first. Rklear (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
My main question is, are these neighborhoods unincorporated communities? If they are, then the articles ought to say that that are. If not, then the template should stop saying that they are. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with LG candidate article[edit]

Hello, I'm looking for some help from an editor who has no involvement with the Lt. Gov. race to review and possibly implement some suggestions I've made regarding candidate Pete Snyder, whose pre-existing article is a little neglected and out-of-date. I'm not editing myself because he is my former boss, and I've actually contributed to his campaign, so I'm very mindful of COI issues. I've posted my suggestions on the article's Talk page. Would anyone be willing to look at this? Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Terrific, thank you very much! WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

New article: Urofsky v. Gilmore[edit]

I've created the new article, Urofsky v. Gilmore. Suggestions for additional secondary sources would be appreciated, at the article's talk page, Talk:Urofsky v. Gilmore. — Cirt (talk) 05:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

BLT cocktail[edit]

BLT cocktail is undergoing a deletion discussion about whether to delete the article from Wikipedia.

Please see ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BLT cocktail.

Thank you for your time,

Cirt (talk) 08:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

DC project scope[edit]

Hi! I started a discussion about the DC WikiProject scope at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_District_of_Columbia#Expand_scope.3F. I would like to extend the project's scope to the whole metro area. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Steve McMahon (consultant)[edit]

Hi all! Last week submitted a new article to AfC for the media consultant Steve McMahon. He currently works for the Alexandria-based communications firm Purple Strategies, which is why I am reaching out here, to see if any editors from this WikiProject would be interested to review and move it live.

McMahon has consulted for candidates including Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy and Dick Gephardt and has also worked for the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic National Convention. I am confident, McMahon meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, as his work has been covered by major publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post and National Journal. However, as I have written this article on behalf of Purple Strategies and with input from McMahon, I have a COI and prefer not to move this live myself. I am instead looking for editors to review the draft article, which I've submitted to AfC. As there's quite a backlog there, I wondered if an editor here would be willing to help out by taking a look at this draft. The draft of my article is here. Please take a look if you are interested. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 12:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done This has been done: an editor at AfC reviewed and took the article live. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 00:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Melpar anyone?[edit]

I stumbled across the article on Melpar which had been put into the Washington state project a while back. The article was mostly a personal story praising the company, saying "Washington" and "Government" without any precision, and some editor did not realize it meant DC. The buildings generally seemed to be in Virginia so I moved it here. I worked a little on removing some chatty promotion and added a few sources back in. If someone wants to work on it further that would be great (or take some photos of the buildings which might be re-purposed but still standing?). Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Long Branch Plantation horse sale 1883.jpg[edit]

File:Long Branch Plantation horse sale 1883.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Handbill Long Branch Auction.jpg[edit]

File:Handbill Long Branch Auction.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Long Branch west side pre Isaacs.jpg[edit]

image:Long Branch west side pre Isaacs.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Long Branch Slave quarters.jpg[edit]

image:Long Branch Slave quarters.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Long Branch Plantation gardens.jpg[edit]

File:Long Branch Plantation gardens.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Lee Smith (fiction author)[edit]

Lee Smith (fiction author) has been proposed for deletion due to being a unsourced BLP. StudiesWorld (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2014 (UTC) / 21:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: new category for importance assessment scale[edit]

A number of other projects have already implemented what they consider to be "Bottom-importance" articles, i.e. those that are trivially or very marginally related to the scope and expertise of the project. WikiProject Astronomy has quite effectively implemented such a grading, and it is a ready-built option requiring minimal code. I see this as a possible solution to some of the most tangentially-related articles that are best served by other projects, and a while ago modified the proposed importance assessment scale to reflect this. However, in order to implement that change would require an administrator, as it is hidden within Template:WikiProject Virginia (the talk page template). It basically involves creating a subpage mask-- all that is needed is to change the code as done in template to invoke the subpage Template:WikiProject Virginia/importance, so its quite simple. Some input, or at least lack of opposition, is desirable. Thoughts? Morgan Riley (talk) 06:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings about this. I see some value, but I also think we will alienate editors who would view this assessment as some kind of value judgment. When I see articles that I would assess as "bottom importance" to the Virginia project, my typical solution is simply to remove them altogether. So, I am on the fence.--Mojo Hand (talk) 23:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
The main area I've been trying to figure out what to do with are certain articles about individuals who are basically in Virginia for brief periods of time for some specific transient reason (e.g. Kohki Abe, whose only connection is because of an LLM from UVA--a one-year degree), who are neither born, raised, died, nor became or continue to be notable because of what they did in Virginia (often a cursory read will reveal little to do with Virginia, save maybe half a sentence of two, sometimes only through implication), where this Wikiproject's expertise will be of little use, and where other WikiProjects are far more suited to cover them. Thoughts on what to do in such cases? Morgan Riley (talk) 00:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I think the best thing to do in those situations is to remove the WPVA template from the article and take it out of the scope of the project. I have seen some of these examples too, and I think it started when someone started a separate UVA Wikiproject, which later folded into WPVA.--Mojo Hand (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Notability of many unincorporated communities?[edit]

I've been doing a bit of work trying to clear the backlog of project assessments, and found that there are hundreds of articles for unincorporated communities that consist of little more than the name of the place, it's county, and a link to the GNIS. I've looked for numerous ones on Google Maps, and though some show signs of being villages or hamlets, others are little more than a crossroads with maybe five to ten houses. Would these still meet the notability requirements for Wikipedia, even though they may otherwise totally lack any significant third-party coverage (or even their own coverage) outside of the GNIS? What is the threshold? Should I mark them for notability issues, or continue sorting? Morgan Riley (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I tend to favor the inclusion of unincorporated community articles in Wikipedia, even though the notability of certain communities could be questioned. Generally, it seems small communities, and especially the crossroads you mentioned, are either mentioned in passing or used as references to the locations of other points of interest when discussed by third-party sources. I find that the unincorporated community articles can serve a similar fashion here by helping the reader to easily establish location references within a particular county. For example, when describing the geographic features of a county, it is handy to provide a link to a community to establish the location of a particular mountain, valley, gap, etc.. Though this use doesn't establish the notability of the subject, it does illustrate a useful purpose. I feel that a GNIS listing partly establishes the notability of the subject and provides enough information (coordinates) to locate the community on a topographic map in order to describe the community's geographic situation in the article. Doing so could expand the articles from a mere listing of the county a certain community is in to the establishment of the geographic situation and distance to major towns, cities, or other points of interest. I do not know whether under the rules of Wikipedia notability these articles would pass or fail, but the Virginia communities (and likewise the thousands of similar community stubs across the U.S.) seem to have survived many years here without being deleted. Thanks! MountainRail (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me! And that's given me good ideas for expanding them into a more thorough geographic description, making them into proper gazetteer-like entries rather than full-blown articles. I just didn't want to spend significant time working on hundreds of them only to find them all deleted the next month.Morgan Riley (talk) 21:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment on move of Samuel Davies (educator)[edit]

I've started a proposal for a page move relevant to this project over at Talk:Samuel Davies (educator)#Proposed move. The current disambiguation term (educator), puts the emphasis on his brief role as a president of Princeton. This obscures that his main career profession was as a minister, for which I propose moving to Samuel Davies (minister) or (clergyman). The relevance to this project was that he was the first licensed non-Anglican minister in the Virginia colony (preaching at Polegreen Church in Hanover County), whose work paved the way for the eventual disestablishment of the Anglican church in Virginia, and American religious freedom more broadly. Any comments would be appreciated. Morgan Riley (talk) 06:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Articles about random suburban subdivisions, not unincorporated communities; any worth saving?[edit]

So it seems that quite a number of subdivisions in the city of Richmond, Virginia are listed in GNIS. An editor, presumably unaware to double-check any references to Richmond in "County" field, created a large number of stub articles on them, assuming them to be unincorporated communities. A quick coordinates check on a map pinpoints them to within the incorporated city. My question is: are any of these worth moving and starting as stubs on neighbhorhoods (even though there is already a List of neighborhoods in Richmond, Virginia to cover such matters? And if not, is there any objection to putting many of these up for deletion?

Here is the list:

Cheers.Morgan Riley (talk) 05:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

If they are, indeed, subdivisions and not towns of one kind or another in Richmond County, Virginia or Henrico County, Virginia, then I have no problem with them going up for deletion. - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Several appear to duplicate other articles which discuss the neighborhoods of Richmond, such as Manchester, Richmond County, Virginia and Manchester, Richmond, Virginia, and Washington Park, Virginia and Washington Park, Richmond. If the articles you listed above duplicate existing neighborhood articles linked from Template:Richmond, Virginia neighborhoods, then they should be deleted. The others could either be moved to align with the naming conventions of Richmond neighborhoods and rewritten to remove reference to Richmond County or put up for deletion so long as they are within the city limits. I have no objection to either. MountainRail (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Yikes - a bit of a mess. A third solution is to redirect all these to List of neighborhoods in Richmond, Virginia (like Morgan has already done with Broad Rock, Virginia). We could then let that list develop and see which neighborhoods are sufficiently notable.--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:31, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
That sounds like a good solution, although those with "Richmond County" in the page name should be deleted as they are not in the county. MountainRail (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually, in any other state it would be in Henrico (and Chesterfield), however, under the current state schema of jurisdictions Richmond is an independent city, and thus not part of any county. Morgan Riley (talk) 01:56, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
You are indeed correct, it is an Independent City. I am embarrassed I didn't catch that before I posted....and I'm from Virginia. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 02:26, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

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Virginia Confederates[edit]

First National Flag- the Confederate flag of history that J. Davis served 1861-1865, and personally flew 1867-1908 while still not a US citizen.
Third National Flag - CSA "de facto", the flag "since 1865" used by neo-Confederates in the 21st century.

There is a controversy arising over use in the Infobox of the First National Flag versus the Third National Flag, "Blood Stained Banner" at Confederate States of America where the consensus is to use the First National Flag. In articles about Virginians, the First National Flag is used at Robert E. Lee, but it is challenged, and the BSB is used at J.E.B. Stuart. The BSB is coincidentally adopted by the Confederate States of America, Inc., a WP:FRINGE organization which seeks to persuade voters to elect state representatives who will vote for state secession in the 21st century.

Is there a way to adopt a consistent usage across Virginia articles concerning the Confederacy? Confederates served under one banner, so history articles at WP should picture the flag of its time, the "First national flag with 13 stars", 1861-1865. Jefferson Davis was the last Confederate citizen, the only man not included in the general amnesty. Heritage Auction offered the original First National Flag flown by Jefferson Davis at Beauvoir “since 1865” – that is 1867-1908 until his death. The Second National Flag flew only over the Confederate Capitol in Richmond, the Third was never fabricated.

David Sansing, professor emeritus of history at the University of Mississippi at “Mississippi History Now”, online Mississippi Historical Society observes in his Brief history of Confederate flags, that the “Bood stained banner” was “unlikely” to have flown over “any Confederate troops or civilian agencies”. He quoted the author of “Confederate Military History”, General Bradley T. Johnson, “I never saw this flag, nor have I seen a man who did see it.” -- the BSB. In contrast, Ellis Merton Coulter in his The Confederate States of America, 1861-1865, published in LSU’s History of the South series, on page 118 notes that beginning in March 1861, the National Flag was used “all over the Confederacy”.

The alternate image description for the Blood-Stained-Banner suggests the BSB is in use “since 1865”, yet in Jefferson Davis' Short History of the Confederate States of America, p.503 it is said that the Confederacy “disappeared” since 1865, in the words of Jefferson Davis. Use of this flag is supported by editors who quote primary source of the Confederate Congressional Journal, but it was adopted by a rump session without a quorum, it was never fabricated and no one ever saw it in 1865. It should not be used to represent the historical Confederacy or anyone serving it 1861-1865. Advocates of the BSB have offered no scholarly sources to support their position.

Is there a way to adopt a consistent flag usage in articles of history of the Confederacy across military articles concerning the Virginians Confederacy? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 07:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)