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The Welsh lineage of Barack Hussein Obama[edit]

I've created a template of Obama's Welsh connection for Wicipedia Cymraeg, and dropped it in here if you think it's usable on en. If so just move it over to mainspace, amend it and enjoy. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Welsh female scientists[edit]

Can we start a category and a Wishlist of Welsh female scientists please. There will be another editathon at Swansea in January when students and staff will create and enhance the articles. Here's a start: Joan Curran, Swansea; Prof Karen Holford, engineer; Tavi Murray, Mumbles; Gwendolen Rees, Aberdare; Mary Rees, her father was David Rees from Abergavenny, Monmouthsire; Gillian Griffiths, Immunology; Jean Olwen Thomas, chromatin (from Bala). Any suggestions as to the list? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

What's a cromatin?? Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Carol Vorderman is a civil engineer and grew up in Prestatyn. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
'Cromatin' was copied from the Welsh article on her. Chromatin in English Greek. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah... see Jean Thomas (biochemist). Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
A quick search through wikipedia categories came up with Maureen Elizabeth Church, botanist; Anne Rasa, ethologist/zoologist; Valerie Randle, materials engineer; (and some of the other scientists mentioned before).
A wider web search came up with Mary Wynne Warner (mathematician); Gaynor Morgan (inventor); and Martha Hughes Cannon (doctor/public health/politician). I also thought of Joan Ruddock - she got her degree from Imperial College (science/technology) - but there doesn't seem to be much biographical detail between then and when she became chair of CND, so I don't know if she ever worked as a scientist, but her later government roles have tended to be on the science/technology side. Robevans123 (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Robevans123. Can we start a Category:Welsh female scientists? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 08:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
There's already a Category:British women scientists so a Welsh one shouldn't be a problem in theory (though there's neither an "English... " or "Scottish... " equivalent at the moment, so some would see it as unnecessary at this time). If subcategories are created I'd just remind people to make sure the person is also in a "Scientist" category that is not differentiated by sex, to avoid ghettoisation. Sionk (talk) 02:05, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Some more here (mainly as a result of this Wikipedia site search through Google)...Mary Gillham, Dorothea Bate, Glenis Willmott, Beatrice Seear, Veronica German, Claire Curtis-Thomas, Elaine Morgan (writer), Molly Scott Cato. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 04:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks to all! I'll pass them on to Swansea University's editathon organiser. The focus, however is changing day by day, as the inspiration for the editathon is Deborah Youngs, Head of the 'Women Negotiating the Boundaries of Justice' project. More to follow... Llywelyn2000 (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Old maps and views of parts of Wales[edit]

As you might have seen in the Signpost this week, there's currently a drive to go through the million 19th century images released by the British Library last year, and identify all the maps, with a view to their being georeferenced by BL volunteers, and then uploaded to Commons early next year. As of Sunday night, over five thousand new maps have been identified, with 26.5% of the target books looked at -- but see the status page for the latest figures, and more information.

A part that may specifically interest this project is

c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/Synoptic index/Wales

which currently shows pink templated links for 81 Flickr book pages still to be looked at. (Though there are lots of other parts the world still to be looked through as well).

Any help looking through these would be very much appreciated -- as well as the maps (and ground plans) for tagging, you may well also find other interesting or useful non-map views that may be worth considering or uploading for articles on different places in Wales.

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 01:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Goetre / Goytre / Penperlleni[edit]

I was about to start an article for Penperlleni, as it was redlinked in the Monmothshire template, but when I was look for sources I noticed Goetre/Goytre Wharf. We have an article on Goetre, but it looks to be the same place; it's called Penperlleni on Google Maps. The Goetre Fawr website is what made me stop, it gives all 3 in one way or another. How best to proceed? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 09:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

My opinion (fairly local) is that the Goetre article should be renamed Goytre, Monmouthshire (to disambiguate it from this Goytre - certainly the spelling with a y is more common than with an e), and that Penperlleni probably needs its own article. It's close to Goytre, and is the location of Goytre Fawr Primary School, but has undergone quite a lot of recent suburban-type development that qualifies it as a separate settlement. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
This is a quite a tricky one... There was an old parish called Goytre (or Goytrey) based on the church of St Peters at Goytre village. The name goes back quite a long time and seems to be derived from Coed Tre (literally wood village), and seems to be an anglicised version. As part of local government changes in the late 19th century the civil parish of Goetre Fawr was created as part of Pontypool Rural District Council (the parish might have been called Goytre Fawr, but most sources seem to use Goetre Fawr). With the changes to local government in Wales in 1974 Goetre Fawr became a community (and also an electoral district) in the (new) principal area of Monmouthshire.
Old OS maps (from 1880s to 1920s) show small (distinct) settlements of Goytre and Penperlleni. Later OS maps (1950s to present) show Penperlleni increasing in size and Goetre (note spelling) staying much the same size. Both are shown in the community of "Goetre Fawr".
Just to confuse the issue, I can remember the road signs on the main road from Pontypool to Abergavenny used to say "Penperlleni (Goytre)" (certainly during the 60s and 70s). The signs now just say "Penperlleni". I can't recall exactly when the change took place... Also, the community website mentioned above states "the village of Penperlleni is also known as Goytre".
The Church in Wales name for the (church) parish is now "Goetre", but the postal address for St Peter's Church is Nantyderry (another small settlement nearby)...
I get the impression that all the "official" sources prefer Goetre but local opinion favours Goytre...
I'd suggest that the current Goetre article should be split into two:
  • Goetre Fawr - describing the community, its constituent settlements (Mamhilad, Penperlleni, Nantyderry, Little Mill, Goetre etc), and features (geography, canal and Goytre wharf, railway, Pontypool to Abergavenny road etc)
  • Penperlleni - describing the village, mentioning the alternative name of Goytre, and also mentioning growth and facilities (school, post office, pub etc)
BTW the Monmouthshire template is a bit confusing. Looking at the map and list of Principal settlements it seems to cover the (present) Monmouthshire, but some of the other topics list things in (historic) Monmouthshire and/or Gwent... Robevans123 (talk) 22:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Cadwallon ap Gruffydd[edit]

Can somebody familiar with IPA help with the pronunciation. This is up for a DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 15:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Cronica Walliae[edit]

I'm back. Please. Can somebody familiar with IPA help with the pronunciation. This is up for a DYK. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 02:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I hope you realise that's Latin, not Welsh. Sionk (talk) 01:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Editathon at Swansea: 28th January 2015[edit]

Editathon Poster

An Editathon is to be held at Swansea University on the 28th January. New and experienced Wikipedians are welcome to beef up exiting articles and create new ones based on Medieval and Early Modern Women. The university has an exciting proect: 'Women Negotiating the Boundaries of Justice: Britain and Ireland c.1100-c.1750 which 'explores women's relative access to justice in various parts of Britain and Ireland between the twelfth and eighteenth centuries.'

This may be the start of something really good. And there's even a free lunch! Please join us. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 11:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi all. We have only 3 trainers, and we need a couple of experienced editors to work with groups of students and staff, please. Wikimedia UK can help with travel costs should you need. Let me know using my wiki mail please. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 13:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

The People's Collection of Wales[edit]

Just for info: I've translated the main points of my Freedom of Information Request to the People's Collection of Wales, which was answered by Cymal. It boils down to:

  • Translation of main parts of the Response:
  • Q 1. How much money has The People's Collection of Wales received annually, since it started?

A. PCW have received the following money from the Government of Wales:

Initial period (2008/09 i 2010/11) c. £2 miliwn
2011-12 Total £700,000
2012-13 Total £700,000
2013-14 Total £700,000
  • Q. 2. How many unique visitors does PCW's website receive?


1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012 = 165,713
1 April 2012 to 31 March 2013 = 188,558
  • They also replied that they do not keep statistics on individual pages. They also do not know of any bodies who have published some of the work from their site (NB the images are licenced on a 'non-commercial' basis.)

All their content is on a Creative Archive Licence, which is 'non-commercial', thus making it impossible for Wikimedia projects to use. Most of this content comes from the Royal Commission (rcahmw); which used a Crown Copyright. This seems really strange: dual licences, Government pays for work, which could be done free of charge on Wikimedia projects, yet the NC licence limits the dispersion and use of the images. In other words the Welsh Government has paid over £4.2 million pounds and limits the access and use. Is this the best use of public money? If only they used an open licence, the whole world could see and use these hidden jewels, and indirectly would have a very positive effect on the Welsh economy and the education sector. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Gwrych Castle[edit]

The article Gwrych Castle could do with some tlc; User:JakeB of GCPT has noted his interest on his user page, and has made a few comments / corrections on the article's Talk page. Can someone please keep an eye on this article; it's great to see non-profit bodies wanting to work with the wiki community. I understand that Jake will make some content available for the article, should some one be interested. The Trust's Mark Baker also has an article on him. Really interesting stuff! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 13:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this Llywelyn2000 :) - Jake JakeB of GCPT (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

RCAHMW - PDFs[edit]

The Royal Commission have digitised & made freely available many of their out of print publications published before 1965 here, free of charge. Great as sources and content! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

This is great. Do you know if we are free to use any images from those works? Daicaregos (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
No! Thy're 'freely available' but no change as to their copyright. But we're getting there! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Full-time Wikipedian in Residence at the National Library of Wales[edit]

Jason Evans

Following years of discussions, piloting open content uploads and an unofficial partnership with Wicipedia Cymraeg since August 2008, the NLW has now appointed a WiR for a period of one year. Wikimedia has recognised the National Library as one of the UK's most ground breaking institutions, as far as free and open content is concerned. More information UK's blog and here on the Library's website. Jason Evans will start at the NLW, where heworks as a librarian, on the 19th January. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 20:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Cefnmeiriadog and others nominated for deletion[edit]

There's a mass nomination of categories for deletion which participants here may have a view on. It can be found at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 18#Category:Cefnmeiriadog. Sionk (talk) 14:25, 19 January 2015 (UTC)